Daily Topics - Tuesday January 26th 2010

Daily Topics - Tuesday January 26th 2010

tea party imagesQuote:  “We are trying to construct a more inclusive society. We are going to make a country in which no one is left out." Franklin D. Roosevelt

Hour One - Has Obama just become a Herebert Hoover Republican? Max Keiser www.maxkeiser.com

Plus...Dan Gainor www.businessandmedia.org - Recommendations from the 2010 Sundance Film Festival, Park City, Utah

Hour Two - Is cash for Geezers now getting some support in Congress?

Hour Three  - Will the real tea partiers please stand up?! John O'Hara www.JohnMOHara.com

Comments

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#1

Nels,

I see leadership setting the "tone" for the enterprise. Obama's "tone" has a hollow ring.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#2

Brad,

Whoever you are, I will be on the lookout for you (under whatever your avatar name you choose) from now on...you little lurker, you. How much did you get paid today?

Gerald Socha (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#3

Thom had one guest toward the end of his three hour show that felt Obama was more for corporations than the people when he was running for the presidency. She was very insighful of her impressions of Obama.

I voted for Obama and he beat the crap out of me in an old fashion alley mugging once he was elected.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#4

s.b. "whatever avatar name you choose"

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#5

Gerald,

I reluctantly voted for Obama. We had no good choices except Kucinich and they rigged the game against him.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#6

Quark, Paul Wellstone would have been the repugs worst nighmare. I do not believe that they killed. What was a surprise to me is that Minnesota may have voted him out of office.

I remember a supervisor say that people get what they deserve. Americans are receiving what they deserve. Brain dead voters will vote for brain dead politicians.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#7

Gerald,

No, I worked on all of Paul's campaigns. He was gaining in the polls and the trajectory showed he would have won had he lived.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#8

Gerald,

Yes, but a democracy can't survive without an HONEST, FREE PRESS. We lost that starting with the Limbaugh propaganda machine over 30 years ago.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#9

Take down the media, take down the country.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#10

Quark, the shadow government controls the election process.

Here is the breakdown of our household's voting pattern.

I and our youngest son voted for Obama. The two older sons voted for McCain. My wife voted for someone else. If Nader ran, she would have voted for him because she has voted for Nader in the past.

I would have voted for McCain but Palin as his running mate turned me off. If McCain was truly a maverick, I would have voted for him because I consider myself a maverick.

Gerald Socha (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#11

Quark, you are from Minnesota and so you know first hand where Paul Wellstone stood with the voters.

Quark, I do not read newspapers because ninety-four percent of the media is controlled by the repugs.

When was the last time the newspapers had great investigative reporters. If an article does not pass the Editor's Test, the article will not go to print.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#12

Gerald,

I voted (stupidly) for Reagan the first time and Nader once. I (like you, I think) question authority (though I sometimes make mistakes.)

BTW, my very Republican mother never questioned authority. She went along with the party. That, to me, was obscene.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#13

Gerald,

I read the NY Times and the local rag --- the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. I still manage to glean a little useful info. from them, tho I know their shortcomings. (I also read magazines and progressive web sites.)

You might be interested to know that my FBI profiler friend always reads The Washington Post, the Huffington Post and The Drudge Report (to see what the other side is saying.)

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#14

Gerald,

When I think of it, I read The Observer and other foreign sources of news.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#15

Gerald,

What do you think about this, a true story ---

Paul Wellstone recounted a (then) recent incident that happened while he was in Rochester, MN to speak to a group from Hormel at the same time that Cheney was in town. Somehow the two had an opportunity to exchange a few words. Cheney told Paul, "Watch you back."

That clearly rattled Paul, to the point that he told his neighbor about it later.

D.Silva (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#16

Question: Do you think the Dems are bought and paid for and using the filibuster as an excuse for not getting things done? That's what I mean by wolves and sheep's clothing. If so what are alternatives?

Nels (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#17

That's an interesting statement Wellstone made Quark.

Cheney is a cowardly little bastard who would happily torture people to keep the American people in the "Right State of Mind".

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he had a part in Wellstones' plane maintenance routine.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#18

D. Silva,

The Dems so often seem like the "happy face" side of the corporate coin, to the Repugs.' "scary face" side. It's still a corporate coin.

The founders knew what was necessary to get rid of corporate (The East India Company) overlords. I don't know how that translates in the 21st century. The real tea partiers get it and we real progressives get it. Right now we are trying the nibbling, incremental fixes. I think it takes more than that.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#19

D. Silva,

s.b. "British East India Company"

Quark (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#20

Nels,

1) It gets VERY interesting if you dig a little deeper. His pilot, who was lambasted in the media for being inexperienced and stupid, was actually VERY experienced and had been Wellstone's pilot for other events.

2) There are minor things (something like a small piece of electronic or magnetic hardware) that can be attached before a flight to throw a small plane off course. "Problem" solved.

Nels (not verified) 5 years 4 days ago
#21

Re Republicans and Democrats being different sides of the same coin. I've only heard a very small bit about some of the voting irregularities in Massachusetts' recent Senate race. I kind of expect that from mainstream media, but even on the progressive talk shows I listen to, I have not really heard it discussed.

Its frustrating when even sources you trust really are not bringing up some of the more pertinent issues, even if its to say "the irregularities really don't seem to have substance".

Progressives really need to understand the old saying "Mind your pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves." We need to mind our voting process, and let the process take care of itself."

I'm a Die Hard Voter Verification, Public Campaign Reform, Instant Runoff Voter fool. I really believe all else will follow.

Quark (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#22

Nels,

Yes, I wish progressive media (at LEAST) would cover the voting irregularities.

THOM,

This includes you.

Nels (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#23

Quark, I'm sure Cheney is a fond believer in "Accidents happen." A plausible death from an accident really doesn't raise a lot of nasty little questions.

I tell you something else, it never sat well with me when after 911 Bush specifically said "We shouldn't give into conspiracy theories." Especially in light of his daddy's off the wall comments at Ford's funeral in regards to the JFK assassination conspiracies.

I'm not saying that I believe in any particular theory, however, I equally don't believe the Government cover-up stories either. In a lot of questionable dealings, all I know is that I don't know, but I know better than to trust the cat with feathers around its feet. ;-)

Nels (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#24

I'd be satisfied if progressive talk radio personalities would just be as passionate about getting rid of the unverifiable methods as they were back in 2001 - 2008. Its as though they've been lulled to sleep because a Democrat actually got elected... just in time to take the blame for the crashing economy too... what a coincidence eh?

Quark (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#25

Nels,

I wonder if many progressives are burned out...

'Bye for now. 'Nice chatting with you, Nels.

Nels (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#26

Bye Quark, its good to chat with sane people.

Loretta (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#27

This is a little depressing but when I was a yoga teacher attending workshops our instructors told us to keep journals about our early experiences in yoga poses so that we would later better be able to help our students. As you gain more experience you sometimes forget what it was like to be a beginner and how difficult the early moves are.

Right now I am feeling the same defeat I have seen so many times when I register voters and they say they don't want anything to do with politics anymore, that they've given up. I haven't felt this for such a long time thanks to Thom's show, but I am sure feeling it now--I don't even want to watch the speech tomorrow-- and the only thing I can think of to do is to try to understand this feeling very well so that the next time I help register voters and people feel this very way I might better be able to convince a person to get back into the fight... It's difficult to keep making phone calls when you feel your Senators have heard your voice a million times, What can I say to them now that's any different from what I've said before, and why bother since nothing seems to be working.... I haven't experienced these sorts of voices in my head for awhile and I don't like it one bit!! But if I can pull myself out of this perhaps I can pull another person out of it later, too.

I think many people are feeling pretty hopeless, including me:-)

molmsted (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#28

Max Keiser is right on...actual analysis of the problem. On his show today he had Nomi Prins,,,a person who knows what is happening on Wall St.

I am so sick of this gov't thinking they can print their way to full employment. Remember the abandoned factories all over the eastern US. How about trying to fill them with people making stuff for Wal-Mart

Loretta (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#29

We passed fair taxation on corporations tonight in Oregon! yahoo. Door--belling works! Yayyyyy. A little gratitude to replace a depressing month of bad news. Or maybe we fought harder because of loosing a Democratic seat in the Senate.

Cassie (not verified) 5 years 3 days ago
#30

On the God Thing-
(Assuming you are Christian)
Anyone who has had a child knows how your entire being changes when that child is born. You would do anything to protect that child and ensure its happiness. Perhaps God gave us his ONLY child, sacrificed him, and watched as that child was tortured to death, to prove exactly how much he/she loves us. . . to prove to us how much he/she is willing to give to us. The point would be that God has no measurement for his/her love of us. And we missed that point by a universe. (~ so many assumptions)
The whole sin forgiving thing makes no sense. It's human and church blackmail (just as the hell issue is) to get you to be a Christian. Whenever we listen to what people say more than to what God whispers in our heart, we confuse the man made institution of religion with sublime but honest spirituality.

Chuck Kottke (not verified) 5 years 2 days ago
#31

Glad you had success in Oregon, Loretta! People power works!! Hooray!
If we can fill the open seats with candidates that represent our interests, and are funded strictly by numerous smaller donations, we may gradually get our government to represent our interests again! Stemming the tide of corporate/ law firm/ investment firm cash this go-around will be a monumental task, and I am up to writing all of my representatives (be they in the House or the Senate) to ask them to do just that. Let's show them all how much we 'appreciate' the Supreme Court decision, and ask them to protect our right to fair election campaigns!!

Billionaires won't be happy until America becomes Greece...

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