Daily Topics - Thursday - May 6th 2010

Daily Topics - Thursday - May 6th 2010

Hour One - Why do conservatives want to turn America into Pakistan?
 
Hour Two - Dan Gainor www.businessandmedia.org Should all terrorists on the "terrorist watch list" be able to buy a gun?
 
Plus...Geeky Science Rocks - can you improve your eyesight with mind over matter? 
 
Hour Three - Roy Speckhardt www.americanhumanist.org Is a government sanctioned "Day of Reason" proof that atheism can be a religion?

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Maxrot
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Thom, when TR left the

Thom, when TR left the Republican party, he took a lot of the progressives in the party with him and formed the Bull Moose Party. After that party failed, the progressives couldn't get back into the Republican party. In other words, TR single-handedly changed the face of the modern Republican party, though not intentionally. When talking about the Republican party pre-TR and post-TR, you really need to make the differentiation.

Also the progressiveness of the Democratic party, came about more so because of FDR, than as an opposing platform to the Republicans. Though that was definitely part of it.

 

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mstaggerlee
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I think that the George

I think that the George Rekers Rent-A-Boy situation has finally clarified the NeoCon view of sexuality in my mind, and it's actually far less complicated than I thought.  I can state it VERY simply -

ANYTHING GOES - as long as you have the "decency" to be ashamed of it.

Meet John Doh
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How the oceans

How the oceans were       

The recent oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has people wondering what the effect on the ocean and sea life will be. It reminded me about an interview I heard last Decemember with Callum Roberts author of The Unatural History of the Sea. Roberts researched descriptions of what the oceans were like "back in the day". I took notes and thought I'd share them with you to give you an idea of what the oceans were like a few hundred years ago.

(I'm posting my unedited notes here.I took my notes from an archived program and replayed segments to make sure my notes were accurate. There's even a paragraph that will be of particular interest to Thom.)

The Unnatural History of the Sea by Callum Roberts – York University in England

Descriptions of the sea by mariners of the past:

400 years ago, there were so many whales in Monterrey Bay (California) that sailors were stifled by the stench of whale breath. Whales were unbelievably abundant before we started to hunt them intensely back around the 18th century in the waters of New England and in the 17th century in the arctic. The first (western) sailors that went into Monterrey Bay found hundreds, if not thousands, of whales crowded into this rich place where whales came to feed. The whales came so close to the boats that people complained they were throwing water onto the decks as they blew and they were stifled by the cadaverous stench of their breath (as they put it).

There were sailors who first sailed into the arctic in the 1600s who said that the whales were as common as if they were porpoises. To put that in context, the waters they were sailing from in Europe had really abundant porpoises. An account from 1776 says that the porpoises were so common in the waters around this country that they were noxious to seamen who sailed in small boats and that they darkened the waters as they rose to take breath.

Cod and haddock were so plentiful that if you dropped a weight into the water, it would rest on the backs of these fish until it slowly sank to the bottom. Reports like this, strange as they seem, are repeated in accounts by people from different walks of life, for different purposes and for different audiences, but that have a great deal of consistency.

One such account was from one of the early governors of Newfoundland who said that the cod were often so thick in the water that you could hardly row a boat through them. When you look at the early catch rates of cod, they say that three men could catch a thousand cod in a day. That’s one cod every three minutes for a very long day of fishing. All they had to do was bait the hook, drop the line into the water and they’d immediately have another cod on the line.

Early accounts from explorers in North America state that carrier pigeons, which is now extinct, flew in swarms so large that it would take hours, a whole afternoon, for the swarm to fly overhead (democratically I’m sure).

harry ashburn
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@mstaggerlee: no, I think

@mstaggerlee: no, I think they hire someone to be ashamed for them.

harry ashburn
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They find them at the

They find them at the "Whipping Boy" website.

Meet John Doh
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How the oceans

How the oceans were       

The recent oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico has people wondering what the effect on the ocean and sea life will be. It reminded me about an interview I heard last Decemember with Callum Roberts author of The Unatural History of the Sea. Roberts researched descriptions of what the oceans were like "back in the day". I took notes and thought I'd share them with you to give you an idea of what the oceans were like a few hundred years ago.

(I'm posting my unedited notes here.I took my notes from an archived program and replayed segments to make sure my notes were accurate. There's even a paragraph that will be of particular interest to Thom.)

The Unnatural History of the Sea by Callum Roberts – York University in England

Descriptions of the sea by mariners of the past:

400 years ago, there were so many whales in Monterrey Bay (California) that sailors were stifled by the stench of whale breath. Whales were unbelievably abundant before we started to hunt them intensely back around the 18th century in the waters of New England and in the 17th century in the arctic. The first (western) sailors that went into Monterrey Bay found hundreds, if not thousands, of whales crowded into this rich place where whales came to feed. The whales came so close to the boats that people complained they were throwing water onto the decks as they blew and they were stifled by the cadaverous stench of their breath (as they put it).

There were sailors who first sailed into the arctic in the 1600s who said that the whales were as common as if they were porpoises. To put that in context, the waters they were sailing from in Europe had really abundant porpoises. An account from 1776 says that the porpoises were so common in the waters around this country that they were noxious to seamen who sailed in small boats and that they darkened the waters as they rose to take breath.

Cod and haddock were so plentiful that if you dropped a weight into the water, it would rest on the backs of these fish until it slowly sank to the bottom. Reports like this, strange as they seem, are repeated in accounts by people from different walks of life, for different purposes and for different audiences, but that have a great deal of consistency.

One such account was from one of the early governors of Newfoundland who said that the cod were often so thick in the water that you could hardly row a boat through them. When you look at the early catch rates of cod, they say that three men could catch a thousand cod in a day. That’s one cod every three minutes for a very long day of fishing. All they had to do was bait the hook, drop the line into the water and they’d immediately have another cod on the line.

Early accounts from explorers in North America state that carrier pigeons, which is now extinct, flew in swarms so large that it would take hours, a whole afternoon, for the swarm to fly overhead (democratically I’m sure).

harry ashburn
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You think THATS

You think THATS wierd....

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/05/06/us/AP-US-Elderly-Wife-Strangled.html?_r=1&ref=news

mstaggerlee
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Before the show started

Before the show started today, Thom seemed to have a chat with David Frum scheduled, regarding the divide between Red and Blue America.  I found this link on Frum's website -

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/st_20100501_5904.php

Excerpt -

Six of the seven states with the lowest divorce rates in 2007, and all seven with the lowest teen birthrates in 2006, voted blue in both elections. Six of the seven states with the highest divorce rates in 2007, and five of the seven with the highest teen birthrates, voted red. It's as if family strictures undermine family structures.

Meet John Doh
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sorry about that I refreshed

sorry about that

I refreshed the page and for some reason it reposted my comment. Maybe it's like New York City, a town so good they have to say it twice.

Maxrot
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Hey, that's not to bad of an

Hey, that's not to bad of an idea, clay kitty litter absorbs oil. Maybe they should put sandbags full of kitty litter along the shore line. At least it wouldn't be as toxic.

 

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DRichards
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BP to try unprecedented

BP to try unprecedented engineering feat to stop oil spill 

If successful, they say, the "pollution containment chamber" could reduce the underwater gusher by more than 80 percent and provide the first success in industry and government efforts to control the spill that began April 20 with an explosion and fire on an offshore rig.

Now BP has started drilling a relief well that eventually could allow them to close off the broken well. However, that would take at least two months to work, Suttles said.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/03/oil.spill.desperate.measure/

DRichards
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Re: could reduce the

Re: could reduce the underwater gusher by more than 80 percent and provide the first success in industry and government efforts to control the spill

Hmmm

Would that be that nasty socialism the  right hates? Or can we assume that BP will be invoiced for the government assistance, and the taxpayers will not have to foot the bill?

harry ashburn
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Supposedly a pound of hair

Supposedly a pound of hair absorbs a quart of oil.

harry ashburn
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so we all need to fly over

so we all need to fly over the gulf while cutting our hair.

Foodfascist
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THX for reporting the name of

THX for reporting the name of the surfactant. I just called Barbara Boxer, our CA senator. If you or I spill a cup of oil, here comes the slammer, if an oil company spills it.....

desert fox
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Wait a minute why don't I as

Wait a minute why don't I as a citizen have the right to be protected from others with guns? 

harry ashburn
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@Desertfox: 'cause police

@Desertfox: 'cause police depts. are socialist, don't ya know..

DRichards
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Re: Is a government

Re: Is a government sanctioned "Day of Reason" proof that atheism can be a religion?

I would say no, it does not. It seems to me that the use of reason can be applied to spiritual matters as well as atheism, or humanism. Deism is one example of reason being applied to belief in a God. 

Foodfascist
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HEre are some images coming

HEre are some images coming in from citizens posting but not vetted by CNN

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-440927

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-440925

Please sign this petition:

Members of Congress, House of Representatives, and President Obama:

We the people of this petition demand that you stop accepting any political contributions from all oil corporations to demonstrate your commitment to halting future oil spills and unnecessary off shore drilling that has devastated our oceans and planet.

http://www.petition2congress.com/2/3188/stop-accepting-political-contributions-from-oil-corporations/

harry ashburn
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i've long suspected McCain

i've long suspected McCain suffers from Stockholm Syndrome due to his years of imprisonment. subconsciously, he wants others to be imprisoned.

Foodfascist
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Here are some aerials from

Here are some aerials from the National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/photogalleries/100429-gulf-oil-rig-spill-worse-pictures/#gulf-oil-rig-spill-worsens_19693_600x450.jpg

Maxrot
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re: Can you patent the

re: Can you patent the sun?

If you could, we wouldn't be talking about investing in solar power, we would already have it, as well as paying a monthly Sun Usage bill. Thus making California all that more expensive to live in.

 

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mstaggerlee
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Captain Kirk for Governor

Captain Kirk for Governor General??!!

http://www.frumforum.com/captain-kirk-shouldnt-be-canadas-head-of-state

mstaggerlee
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If I understand it correctly,

If I understand it correctly, Governor General is largely a figurehead position, representing the British Crown in Canada (Maybe our buddy Rick in Canadia can stop in and correct me if I'm wrong).  Ths seems like a GREAT position for Shatner - all bluster, no real power.  :-)

Foodfascist
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HEre is a petition to sign

HEre is a petition to sign from Fire Dog Lake

Stop off shore drilling alltogether to Obama

https://secure.firedoglake.com/page/contribute/obamaoil

DRichards
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Re: Hour Three "God Gave Us

Re: Hour Three

"God Gave Us Reason, Not Religion"

From the World Union of Deist

http://www.deism.com/

mstaggerlee
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re: Patenting the Sun - It

re: Patenting the Sun -

It seems consistent to me that if a Drug company can patent genes grown in MY body, then there's no reason why an Energy company shouldn't be able to patent the sun.

House of Roberts
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Thom needs to look at this

Thom needs to look at this blog: http://dailyhurricane.com/

Thom is still claiming the acoustic trigger would have helped stop the leak. Based on what I have read at that site, I don't believe it would have helped.

Love the show, ever since the Air America days.

 

Maxrot
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@mstaggerlee re: patenting

@mstaggerlee re: patenting the sun.

Spoken like a true Supreme Court Justice.

 

N

harry ashburn
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re: patent the sun: I say any

re: patent the sun: I say any gov't that can take possession of it can have it.

DRichards
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Holidays are created for

Holidays are created for government employees ;)

Maxrot
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Hey tomorrow is the National

Hey tomorrow is the National Day of Reason, lets get a six pack, some guns and fireworks and party!!! Whoo Hoo!!!!

 

N

harry ashburn
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Go land on the sun and plant

Go land on the sun and plant your flag.  (I know, you'll go at night.)

harry ashburn
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@Drichards, hollidays are

@Drichards, hollidays are made by and for Hallmark.

harry ashburn
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If Thom's hollidays bring us

If Thom's hollidays bring us closer to nature, nature will just move away.

Maxrot
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Yeah lets Nationlize

Yeah lets Nationlize Halloween as an official Holiday. I propose two days off for it, since the festivities take place at night.

(OK, so I'm a Halloween nut, so what.)

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harry ashburn
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Nature will move into a beach

Nature will move into a beach condo in Costa Rica.

harry ashburn
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re #37: nahh.. that won't

re #37: nahh.. that won't work 'cause of rising sea levels.  Nature will move into a beach condo in Nepal.

mstaggerlee
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Personally, I care not one

Personally, I care not one whit about National Days of Prayer, Reason, or any damn thing - as long as nobody tries to enforce any of them.  You wanna pray today - go ahead & pray ... ya don't, then don't.  Celebrating reason is also a cool idea - do it if it appeals to you.  Just don't bother ME with any of it.

Yesterday was Cinquo De Mayo - did it affect my life? - NO!  Earlier this year we had St. Patrick's Day, and later we'll have Pulaski day - neither does anything for me.  So you wanna call today the National Day of Prayer? Go right ahead - just don't expect me to drop to my knees.

BTW - What do you suppose would happen if the Government took steps to FORBID a National Day of Prayer?  That wouldn't look pretty either, would it?

What we have here is a classic non-issue, and the very best policy is simply  - HANDS OFF!

Maxrot
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@harry, of course Holidays

@harry, of course Holidays are made for Hallmark, would you rather disasters be made for Hallmark.

Sorry I forgot about your Oil Spill, here's $5 get yourself something special.

Hugs and Kisses,

N

harry ashburn
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@Staggerlee; genuflecting is

@Staggerlee; genuflecting is good for the soul, but hard on the knees.

harry ashburn
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@maxrot, aww..and I didn't

@maxrot, aww..and I didn't get you anything!

I'll use the $5 to buy some dispersant for my aquarium.  ;)

harry ashburn
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Yeah, BP paid me big $$ to

Yeah, BP paid me big $$ to drill in my 60- gallon aquarium.  But I faked 'em out...I planted fish oil capsules in the gravel.

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949

DRichards
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It seems to me that the

It seems to me that the religious right wants to rewrite history. "The National Day of Prayer" is just one of many steps in the pursuit of establishing our government as a Theocracy.

Maxrot
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@harry, what a wonderful

@harry, what a wonderful Aquarium concept, just put a model Oil Rig at the top with a pipe down to the gravel. Peridoically the oil rig can spill oil. No need for fish or filters.

Luv it.

 

N

DRichards
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Judge Crabb’s Hate Mail on

Judge Crabb’s Hate Mail on National Day of Prayer

By Matthew Rothschild, May 5, 2010

http://progressive.org/wx050510.html

Gene Savory
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BP behind Exxon-Valdez

BP behind Exxon-Valdez spill.

Greg Palast asserts that although Exxon owned the ship, BP was responsible for safety. See http://www.gregpalast.com/slick-operator-the-bp-ive-known-too-well/

DRichards
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Judge Crabb's hate mail &

Judge Crabb's hate mail & rewriting history

“You mam [sic] are a disgrace to America,” wrote Michael Yeager. “Only an Anti-Christ individual would deny a national day of prayer. . . . Basically, you have committed treason against God who established our nation.”

 

http://progressive.org/wx050510.html

harry ashburn
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@Maxrot; soon to be a major

@Maxrot; soon to be a major motion picture!

harry ashburn
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@MAxrot well, there would be

@MAxrot well, there would be a few dead fish floating on top.