Daily Topics - Thursday August 5th, 2010

Daily Topics - Thursday August 5th, 2010

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Quote of the Day: "Democracy is based upon the conviction that there are extraordinary possibilities in ordinary people." -- Harry Emerson Fosdick

Hour One: "Brunch With Bernie" - Thursday edition! Senator Bernie Sanders spends the hour with Thom taking your calls and answering questions www.sanders.senate.gov

Hour Two: Were you born on the wrong continent? Attorney/author/activist Thomas Geoghegan will be here www.thomasgeoghegan.com; Plus, Geeky Science - the high cost of fructose corn syrup

Hour Three: Is it time to pay reparations to gays? Plus, the Mormon Church should pay for all gay weddings in California! Thom has a rumble with conservative pastor/author Bishop Harry Jackson, Chairman of the Stand for Marriage DC Coalition www.stand4marriagedc.com; Plus, "Taking Our Country Back" - What do Monsanto and Koch Industries have to do with inspiring an organic dairy farmer to take on the Republican machine and run for public office? Progressive candidate Francis Thicke will be here www.thickeforagriculture.com/

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rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#1

If the Republicans continue hating on gay and non-white folk and purge the 14th Amendment from the America Constitution, they will remove the basis for Corporate Humanity . . . AND how will they explain that to their Corporate Overlords?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/mcconnell-renews-call-for-hearings-into-birth-tourism-and-birthright-citizenship.php

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 11 weeks ago
#2

Louise, thank you for an early start on comments for today! I am very tired and I need a morning nap!!!

Perpepual war! What is there not to love about a warmongering country?

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gerald 4 years 11 weeks ago
#3
gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 11 weeks ago
#4

There is a difference between government and country.

http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2010-08-04.asp

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gerald 4 years 11 weeks ago
#5

The day after! The United States of Hell is Israel's puppet.

http://www.lobelog.com/patrick-disney-describes-the-day-after-the-us-bombs-iran/

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 11 weeks ago
#6

The bombing of Iran will forever damn American souls. HELL AWAITS AMERICAN SOULS!!!

dhavid 4 years 11 weeks ago
#7

Quote of the Day: "Democracy is based upon the conviction that there are extraordinary possibilities in ordinary people." -- Harry Emerson Fosdick.............Our Democratic System, where the power is shared between the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches is based on the conviction that when most people get power, they become horribly twisted. Even with this protection in place, the American Experiment seems to be teetering on failure, as at least two branches of it's government are in utter disfunction. I do share Mr. Fosdick's sentiment that there are extraordinary possibilities in all people, but not just people in democracies, but rather all peoples of the world.

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Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#8

@dhavid, which of the three branches isn't in utter disfunction?

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dhavid 4 years 11 weeks ago
#9

Thats a great question, Maxrot, and I guess I would have to say the Executive, as even a Village Idiot can only do so much damage in 8 years. So there is always the possibility of a sane President, at least in theory. The Congress seems to essentially be bought and sold. Bush's (both) appointees to the Court are all wacked ideologues. It is tettering on redefining the Right. My understanding is that the Court justices are supposed to be "beyond ideology." Campaign Finance Reform seems one of the only possible solutions, but for them to do that could be likened to a hungry man refusing over and over to eat a delightful meal set before him. (there must be a better analogy than mine.) So the good news is, good news is possible! And of course one must vote democrat, as if the next appointee to the Court is like the last ones, WATCH OUT!

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Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#10

hmmmm voting Democrat is a wonderful idea, I'm just wondering if one of the right wing hacks on the court will oblige us by stepping down or dying within the next 6 years.

N

dhavid 4 years 11 weeks ago
#11

Never met anyone who could tell me the future. I am sure, however, that one day I will die. That's about it.

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Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#12

I can tell you the future: Tomorrow the sun will rise... and then it will set, also the tides will fluctuate up and down. The world population will rise and break the record set today. Some people will die, and some won't.

I'm a freakin' psychic, and I know all this will happen.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#13

Senator Sanders,

Of course, Senator McConnell can maintain greater discipline in the acolytes of the Republican Party . . . Those folk of an authoritarian bent much more readily march in lockstep.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#14

The problem with the "European Dream" is you have about zero chance of immigrating over there.

N

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DRichards 4 years 11 weeks ago
#15

Establishing a New NormalNational Security, Civil Liberties, and Human Rights Under the Obama Administration
An 18-Month Review

In the eighteen months since the issuance of those executive orders, the administration’s record on issues related to civil liberties and national security has been, at best, mixed. Indeed, on a range of issues including accountability for torture, detention of terrorism suspects, and use of lethal force against civilians, there is a very real danger that the Obama administration will enshrine permanently within the law policies and practices that were widely considered extreme and unlawful during the Bush administration. There is a real danger, in other words, that the Obama administration will preside over the creation of a "new normal."

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/establishing-new-normal

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DRichards 4 years 11 weeks ago
#16

By 1984, three years after its initial approval for use in tabletop sweeteners and dry food, U.S. consumption of aspartame had already reached 6.9 million pounds per year. This number doubled the following year, and continued to climb well into the 90's. According to statistics published by Forbes...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/aspartame-health-risks_b_668692.html

"The only alternative sweetener I recommend is natural stevia, especially the flavoured ones which avoid many of the aftertaste objections some people have about using stevia. It is interesting to note that the powerful food industry has made it illegal to sell natural stevia as a sweetener. If I recommended to use stevia as a sweetener and sold it, the government would immediately file criminal charges and confiscate our product".

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#17

Would like to see a tax on Junk food. Then take the money and begin an education campaign like we see with the Tobacco tax and cigarette education. I can't tell you how pissed I get when I see the commercials that promote High Fructose Corn Syrup with the obvious insult to the public, 'Since you don't know what's wrong with it, you can assume its good for you' (summary). It's just so obnoxious and disingenuous, I can't stand it. Would love to see an anti-campaign that used that commercial format, except when the proponent character asks "Whats wrong with High Fructose Corn Syrup?", the answer comes back with fact after fact about whats wrong with it, with the commercial fading out, while facts are continued to be spoken.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#18

THOM!

Please post the list of the Corporate Humanity supporting HATE and paying to dismantle democracy in the workplace in Minnesota or provide the URL.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#19

Also would like to hear more info on partially hydrogenated oils too. One of the two ingredients I look for on labels is partially hydrogenated oil or high fructose corn syrup. I know, there are more poisonous crap inserted into our foods, but as far as I know the two I mention are the most pervasive. Apparently I must be doing something right, both my kids are a very healthy weight, and are rarely sick.

N

harry ashburn 4 years 11 weeks ago
#20

I just posted on the board in the "environment" section an article on high fructose corn syrup and cancer

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speedbird9 4 years 11 weeks ago
#21

A black conservative preacher? Reparations for Gays in California? Hell, a conservative black preacher would argue against reparations for the crime of slavery, let alone gays and their systematic discrimination.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#22

OK so does this preacher think its alright to prevent white and black people from getting married to each other? Is that not an issue of civil liberties.

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DRichards's picture
DRichards 4 years 11 weeks ago
#23

Sounds like the Bishop wishes he lived an a Theocracy. Under a Christian Theocracy, according to the New Testament, we could have slaves.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#24

I don't think its appropriate to have the Mormon church pay reparations by paying for all gay marriages for the next ten years. However, if you say they have to contribute $15,000.00 for each gay marriage, and the Catholic organization the Knight of Columbus (also big contributors to the Prop 8 campaign) also have to pay $15,000.00 for each gay marriage I think that's fair. But to say that one or both of these organizations have to pay for all of each gay wedding in the next 10 years, c'mon, $30,000.00 is over the top for most weddings, but for a gay marriage, I'm betting its just a drop in the bucket. (Got to have at least 10 ice statues, fountains of champagne, open bar, cakes made by the cake boss, etc....)

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#25

My daily rant:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/angle-reid-agenda-a-violation-of-the-first-commandment.php

Ms Angle's comment was meant to be about the First Amendment . . . Not the First Commandment. She attempted to imply that it is ‘ishy’ that a correct and proper interpretation of our Constitution is idolatry because it is an acknowledgement of the People being the source of power in our recreational democracy and not some piss-poor misinterpretation of the God of the Hebrews . . . Only she lacks the raw brain-power to grok and communicate the thought effectively.

I have two issues with Ms Angle’s broken version of reality:

  1. While the People ARE the source of power in our form of government, it is NOT bad or wrong; it is very foundation of all that is good and right and correct and lawful in our great country.
  1. Ms Angle drags God into the personal and earthly (vain) pursuit of governance. THAT is actually blasphemous . . . by DEFINITION. THAT is actually profane. THAT is actually proscribed in what Christians call, “The Ten Commandments”. THAT is actually sacrilegious. THAT is actually heretical. THAT is actually contrary to accepted belief. THAT is actually impious. THAT is actually sinful. THAT is actually disrespectful to her version of her god . . . Throw on top of that her false claims piety and virtue . . . Color her total hypocrisy as the pure expression of asshat.
Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#26

I guess freedom of religion is a fine thing until someone doesn't share you're religious beliefs.

N

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#27

@Maxrot:

Close friends of mine got married in the San Fernando Valley records office in beautiful downtown Van Nuys as they had nothing except a handful of friends to celebrate the acknowledgement of their love . . . AND yes, it was gay.

I guess I'm trying to say that I am okay with the funders of Prop HATE paying for non-heterosexual marriages in perpetuity and day.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#28

What exactly is wrong with polygamy any way. What's between one consensual adult and another and another and another and... is really their own business.

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harry ashburn 4 years 11 weeks ago
#29

Polygamy would REALLY mess up marriage demographics! :D i.e." how can a county have 45,000 married women and 18,000 married men?"

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#30
harry ashburn 4 years 11 weeks ago
#31

the next step for some is "well, then its OK to marry animals?"

harry ashburn 4 years 11 weeks ago
#32

Invertebrates, only!

rladlof's picture
rladlof 4 years 11 weeks ago
#33

@ Harry Ashburn RE 'What exactly is wrong with polygamy, any way?":

Lack of population control and the potential shift demographics to towards the favor of recessivists.

Additionally, I am against poor animal husbandry in all stock animals . . . Including flesh and blood human beings.

harry ashburn 4 years 11 weeks ago
#34

re: #33: Maxrot ask the question about polygamy, not me. I dont really care. I just think it would be funny giving the demographers fits!

gerald's picture
gerald 4 years 11 weeks ago
#35

Dear Thom,

This open letter is for you. I want to be an optimist who believes that America has a future. Maybe you can be of some help in sharing ideas. Here are my concerns. Our electronic elections are rigged and we live in a total police state.

Let me also say that our government is under the total control of the oligarchy, the rich, the corporatists, the control freaks, conservative crazies, and the sociopaths.

There is no way the average Americans can take back their government.

Sincerely, Gerald

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 4 years 11 weeks ago
#36

What does marriage have to do with procreation. There are a lot of unwed mothers out there, and there are a lot of men who have children with different women. I don't think polygamy would result in a large population increase either, economics has far more effect on birth rates than peoples marriage status. Poor animal husbandry, have you heard of Jon and Kate + 8 or 19 kids and counting... one man one woman in each marriage and each marriage producing a butt load of kids... and the parents, well not too swift from my point of view, so I'm guessing poor stock.

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harry ashburn 4 years 11 weeks ago
#37

I'm constantly amazed we keep procreating like popcorn. so much for common sense. Every cell in our body screams: "reproduce! reproduce!" Society really needs to recognize, despite how much the church tries to deny it, our animal past still holds sway many times.

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