The recovery rooted in wiping out the last of the Middle Class – and that is not sustainable

The recovery rooted in wiping out the last of the Middle Class – and that is not sustainable

The U.S. economy appears to be recovering. Not only did the economy grow at a 2.5% rate during the last quarter – but also GDP in America has finally reached the level seen before Bush’s Great Depression. But ask the average out-of-work American, or the average family that can’t afford soaring healthcare premiums – or to fill their car up with gas – and it sure doesn’t look like the economy is recovering.

The truth about this so-called economic growth is that it’s being fueled by debt. The typical hourly wage for the average worker has gone up only $1.23 in the last 36 years – while the price of everything else – from healthcare to college to energy – has skyrocketed. So you do the math – how are Americans keeping up – and spending money in our new economy? By using their credit cards or spending what little they have left of their savings.

So while it may seem like the nation is in recovery – it’s a recovery rooted in wiping out the last of the Middle Class – and that is not sustainable.

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Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#1

Conservative: "But Michael Moore, you're rich, you made it big from capitalism..so what are you complaining about?" This was what Piers Morgan was trying so hard to get Michael Moore to admit to. But he didn't succeed.

Michael Moore: "I do very well -- and for a documentary filmmaker, I do extremely well. That, too, drives conservatives bonkers. "You're rich because of capitalism!" they scream at me. Um, no. Didn't you take Econ 101? Capitalism is a system, a pyramid scheme of sorts, that exploits the vast majority so that the few at the top can enrich themselves more. I make my money the old school, honest way by making things."

Of the $3 million Michael Moore got in 1989 for his documentary Roger and Me he paid $1 million in taxes (33%...how many other rich people pay that much of their income percentage-wise?). He didn't look for tax loopholes...he just paid his taxes. Then he set up a foundation to give away another million dollars. With the remaining million he paid off his debts, the debts of friends and family members, bought his parents a new refrigerator, helped rebuild a black church that had been burned down in Flint, gave a thousand turkeys at Thanksgiving, bought film making equipment for the Vietnamese, annually bought 10,000 toys to give to Toys for Tots at Christmas, bought himself a new American-made Honda, and took out a mortgage above a Baby Gap in New York City. What remainded went into a simple, low-interest savings account.

He said "I made the decision that I would never buy a share of stock (I didn't understand the casino known as the New York Stock Exchange and I did not believe in investing in a system I did not agree with)."

"Finally, I believed the concept of making money off your money had created a greedy, lazy class who didn't produce any product, just misery and fear among the populace. They invented ways to buy out companies and then shut them down. They dreamed up schemes to play with people's pension funds as if it were their own money. They demanded companies keep posting record profits (which was accomplished by firing thousands and eliminating health benefits for those who remained). I made the decision that if I was going to earn a living, it would be done from my own sweat and ideas and creativity. I would produce something tangible, something others could own or be entertained by or learn from. My work would create employment for others, good employment with middle class wages and full health benefits."

October 27th, 2011 7:46 AM
Life Among the 1%
By Michael Moore

Read the rest of Michael Moore's blog at:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-friends-blog/life-among-1

Capitalism is a system, a pyramid scheme of sorts, that exploits the vast majority so that the few at the top can enrich themselves more. And the few get away with it because the vast majority of people start from the bottom to begin with (unlike the majority of wealthy people who inherited their wealth, or got very lucky, or sociopaths who had no problem stealing from others). And the vast majority of people have all they can do just to survive and ensure the survival of their families. There is a bit of a cushion (or buffer) between the very wealthy and the majority of people who are just barely surviving...the so-called middle class...and especially the upper middle class which has most of the more aggressive hopefuls of becoming rich themselves. They are the ones who suffer the grand delusions of grandeur, the hopeful useful idiots or capos* of the rich. They are used by the rich to keep the downtrodden from making a better life a reality for themselves. They control the propaganda and use psychological tricks to keep the lower classes from challenging the high classes. They use ridicule and scare tactics and disinformation. And whereas I would not put everyone who fits the definition of middle class or upper middle class as capos or greedy...I single out those that do tend to support the greedy actions of the top 1%. And not all capitalism is bad if it is regulated and controlled to support the common good rather than making a few people extremely rich. Laissez faire captialism is very bad and lets the sociopaths destroy those who are not as lucky or maniacally driven.

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RLM8 3 years 7 weeks ago
#2

Respectfully this is a cut and dried situation and it has to be looked at in a proper light. The last three months of falsified trumped up weak economy is directly attributed to John Boehner and the John Galt effort. For over a year Republican politicians throughout this country have testified over the airwaves that the stimulus did not work. To clarify this in accuracy ,where ever the stimulus was applied in methodical fashion it worked. When the stimulus was abused by the John Galt Republicans in their districts it failed. Just like the housing market the five worst foreclosure rates are states that were held by Republican majorities during the Bush administration. The John Galt Republicans are trying to deconstruct our society and the economic infrastructure of this country to consolidate their corporate grip. In the case of the young man who was forced out of his home to live in his car, like so many other Americans caught in the middle of this Republican assault on decency. I say to you Mr. Hartmann please do not let the opportunity of reconstruction pass us by. My words to the young man and every other American who is caught not by their own doing in these unfortunate circumstances is simple, organize organize organiz. in your church for your community with your friends. Reconstruct this country one vote at a time God bless the 99 ers and to hello with the 9% ers in the John Galt Congress, support your representatives in Congress that stand up for the 99ers. Have a nice day thank you

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#3

One way to disseminate propaganda is to pretend that they are on your side..looking out for your interests...and it is very difficult, sometimes, to detect the ruse. The ruling elite has very cunning people that look out for their interests. Many web sites, youtube videos, blogs, and news media initially sound like they are representing your interests but are, in fact, trying to subvert them. They start off telling you things that sound like they are progressive (a progressive or liberal sounding name)..or get you all excited and upset over a few things that sound like sort of what you believe, but then ease you into their ultimate goal of subverting your best interests and supporting those of the ruling elite. Be very careful and do a lot of background checks into the kinds of associations these people have (who funds them, who most participates and what they say or do, etc.) in order to find out who they truly represent. If the web site has links...check those links out..then check those link's links out to see if any lean toward the right. If the web site is an organization try to see if it posts it's members and then do a search on those members to see if they are right wing. It's tricky but be vigilant! I was initially taken in by Americans Elect until I found out who founded it and who he was and what he has done.
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"The Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity

The websites started sprouting up in 2009. Some of these new sites go by the moniker "Reporter" as with the Franklin Center's Wisconsin Reporter that was launched in January as a website and wire-like service. Others have taken the shared name of "Watchdog.org," or "Statehouse News." The websites all offer their content free to local press -- many of the news bureaus send out their articles to state editors every day. The sites also offer free national stories that media can receive daily by subscribing.

The websites are coordinated and funded by a new non-profit group that calls itself the "Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity." The Franklin Center told the Center for Media and Democracy that it does not disclose its funders, but some of its funding can been uncovered from foundation reports. Franklin acts as a hub that distributes funding that it receives from right-wing institutions such as the Wisconsin-based Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation and the Chicago-based Sam Adams Alliance. The North Dakota and DC-based center works with reporters embedded in conservative think tanks and others who have their own news bureaus.

According to Media Transparency, a media watchdog group that was acquired by Media Matters Action Network in 2008, the Bradley Foundation's clear political agenda and network has allowed it to have extensive influence on public policy. The media group notes that while the Foundation's "targets range from affirmative action to social security, it has seen its greatest successes in the area of welfare 'reform' and attempts to privatize public education through the promotion of school vouchers." The Bradley Foundation gave the Franklin Center $190,500 last year.

The Franklin Center was launched with the help of Sam Adams Alliance, which calls itself "SAM." The CEO of SAM, Eric O'Keefe, has been featured at events funded by David Koch's right-wing group called "Americans for Prosperity" (AFP). "

http://www.truth-out.org/franklin-center-right-wing-funds-state-news-sou...

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#4

I believe the numbers are all bogus and contrived. I believe they are trying to fish for more suckers to loosen up what money they have to "invest" in the crook pyramids scheme that is Wall Street. The government can pump in money to make the stock market numbers look good. But they are just trying to create another bubble and the Wall Street banks will all be lined up at the trough for more handouts from taxpayers in the next "bailout" round. The banks know this more than many because they, themselves, will not open up their purse strings to invest in making loans to Americans. If you listen to all those right-wing bullish economists who are really propagandists and marketing hypsters instead of those economists like Michael Hudson and people like Nomi Prins then you will be caught, once again, loosing your money to the banksters.

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#5

I read another article that said that if you think that you are hurting the banks by closing your accounts then you may be fooling yourselves....that is unless, of course, you have a lot of money in the banks. The banks are sitting on top of so much cash, not lending it out, that they consider any smaller bank accounts to be very irksome and this is one of the reasons some banks are wanting to charge extra on using the debit cards. It is my understanding that this use fee is only on those accounts that have less than $5000 anyway. They may be sitting on top of a lot of cash but it sure wouldn't be enough to cover any kind of crash..bank closure. And they are still going to be expecting a bail out again anyway. Sure doesn't make much sense but then they don't want it to make sense.

On the other hand, Nomi Prins wrote an article in Truthout that gave 10 reasons why people should pull their money out of Bank of America...while they still can. But don't be surprised that they will consider that an act of terrorism, or something, and have you arrested...it has already happened...read Nomi Prins' article.

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#6

Then again...this might put things into perspective...(maybe not). Looks like, with the exception of AIG and the Auto Industry most of the bailout has been repaid...but what does "repaid" really mean? If money can be created out of thin air and on keyboards...I wonder! More people than ever are without a job and losing their homes...so just how important are these numbers? I don't know but the real sign of recovery is when people are working again and the damn Republicans are no longer trying to screw people out of their social security and other benefits.

As of Oct 2011 the Federal Bailout status is as follows:
bailout money repaid/(owed)
in billion of dollars

Citigroup: 411.6 / ( 3.3)
AIG: 72.8 / (181.8)
BofA: 210.4 / ( 19.7)
JPMChase 67.9 / ( 32.8)
GSachs 40.5 / ( 12.9)
WFargo 38.6 / ( 5.1)
MStanley 10.8 / ( 25.5)
Auto Indust 22.0 / ( 72.6)

Total 873.6 / (353.7)

Citygroup, the biggest bailout, was the best performer in paying back. Wells Fargo was also not too bad. BofA, the third best. AIG the worst and the Auto Industry the 2nd worst.

This info is from Nomi Prins and Drisztina Ugrin's Bailout Tally Report of Oct. 1, 2011 (lots of graphs and charts here)

http://nomiprins.squarespace.com/storage/bailouttallyoct2011.pdf

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leighmf 3 years 7 weeks ago
#7

The long and short of it is, it is more expensive to be poor than rich.

If one can "Drink Responsibly" why not be "Responsibly Rich" by stamping out predators, funding progress, and taking a cut in pay like all the regular people have had to do. That is, unless one believes that "being rich" is a God given entitlement like the Right of Way of Kings.

I suggest we divide the ruling class into The Disgustingly Rich and The Responsibly Rich. It will be up to the individual then which Rich group they will be publicly identified with. There should be a magazine publication dedicated to each, one of which would be recycled as hamster cage liners in participating pet stores.

Palindromedary's picture
Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#8

Or toilet paper with mug shots of your most hated irresponsibly and selfishly rich person. Like they used to have playing cards with the most wanted terrorists. I walked into a company restroom many years ago, at the beginning of the baby Bush regime, and saw a photo on a sticker inside a urinal that said "Go ahead...he's p!$$!ing on you!" How about a roll of toilet paper with the K0cH Bros printed on each sheet. But it would probably give you cancer of the rectum...and be quite expensive toilet paper.

But the magazine idea is very good. That way we don't have to be constantly saying "them" or "they"...who is them or they? But then these money maggots would probably enjoy the publicity...but it would be nice to know where these people live so that the demonstrations could migrate, one day, to make a more personal statement of our distaste of their thieving ways. Who knows, there may even be a web site that keeps tabs on these psychopathic money mongers.

But then, we can't say that "they" are all bad...some actually want to pay their fair share of taxes and give away a lot of their money to charitable causes. At least that's what they want us to think. Some may be getting a little nervous of mob guillotine mentality. Some may actually be starting to feel a bit guilty about stealing from the people. But then there are those who only do the charitable ruse for tax loopholes...like buying a painting, for example, for $10,000 then donating it to charity then claiming the value of that painting was $100,000 and getting a tax write off on $100,000. Rich people can play that game but many of us have a hard time even donating things to many "charities" now a days unless the items are flawless.

Forbes magazine shows off these rich people...often in a very good light. But what we need is a place where you can get the straight facts and not glitzy PR crap. One problem is that these people can all certainly afford to be magnanimous and non-selfish, and some are to some extend.

I think a big problem is that many of those who are on the way up...or who believe they are on the way up...some day..are often not only our worst enemies, but even, their own worst enemy. Now this line of salivating Pavlovian money hopefuls can stretch way back into the ranks of stupid-never-going-to-make-it no matter how hard they try but are willing to sell out their neighbors for the tidbits they manage to weasel out of others...and they have all drank the casino capitalist cool aid. They'd do us all a favor and drink the Rev. Jim Jones brand of cool aid and just slither back into their holes under the rocks. These foppishly arrogant snarling twits are just silly clowns that make asses of themselves.

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dowdotica 3 years 7 weeks ago
#9

The living wage based on los angeles living costs, no $ for savings, no $ for paying any already exsisting debt, no $ for retirement, no $ for golf at the par 3, no $ for the boobie bar or for dating, no $ to put aside for emergency, basically no $ to have anything above a working poor person life.

single person per month

rent/mort $1500

home ins $150

gas avg $40

elec avg (don't play electric guitar!) $100

cable avg $120

water avg $50

cell avg (flip fone, bare bones) $75

mac and chees and pabst (food, use your coupons) $280

hygene $50

car payment (if your lucky) $150

auto insurance full coverage (if your like me) $40

helth ins avg (cheap, cheap like 30-70?) $300

GRAND TOTAL $2965!!! (working stiff w no OT) devide by 160 hrs = $18.531hr

(trying to rise above it) devide by 200 hrs = $14.825 hr

(spinin wheels, burnin out) devide by 240 hrs= $12.354 hr

(life is sukin, life is slavary) devide by 329.44 = $9.00 hr

soooooooooooooooo...the new work week to survive just above poor working stiff as opposed to me at working stiff will be for you to try to not die and be the new serf for 82.361 hours a week! woo whoo! with only 168 hours in a week you'll have just enough time to be a slave, eat your mac and cheese, slug down a pabst, brush your teeth, wake up, shower and do it all again and again and live the, now ,new American dream! yippie!! and somewhere in all your new perfect exsistence (the bush standard)you are to be ingeniuous enough some how to engage your entrepeneurial know how in an effort to crawl out of the hole you are in and aspire to be like your corporate master! meanwhile your corporate master whom ever that may be has the gawl to tell you they can't give you a raise because they can barely make payroll just as they are headed out the door for another europian vacation? hmmm, how many was that this year! And did you see the benz that cat just bought? oh yeah! you wanna be just like them! don't forget they got that way by treating you the way they do! lololol. man my kids are going to have it rough unless i can get this entramanure thing going!

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dowdotica 3 years 7 weeks ago
#10

a story of ambition...

i knew an artist once. this artist was as gifted as "mich', dali, picasso you name 'em he was them. a master of the human figure, by words of others truly to be a great. this artist was a working stiff and as a rule of thumb refused to risk as he was so often told to do by his peers and even a couple masters. so when he finally got balls enough to want to take the risk and start his gallery he was sitting on top of 300k of equity in his home. the wife wanted an addition first, then there were all the other nickle and dime to work into the budget as well as the kids to feed. that workin stiff job was all he really had as he saw what was coming. halted his ambitions as he found out that the builders were really gouging and workmanships was crap and his dream addition and gallary for now had to be put on hold. "whew", he told me the other day "if i had jumped in like every body else i'd have been tottaly screwed". he refied his home to pay it off quicker in an effort to not be hostage to the banks that screwed it up to begin with. he is just a working stiff now. his home that balooned in value allowing him that one rare moment of oppertunity to cash out when fortune looked to be shining on everybody worth, now, scarce more then when he and the wife bought it 20 years ago. my artist friend still aspires to rise above working stiff but as a business person we all know that one needs some capital to even start and if one is already hostage to the bank then wanting to further be hostage is out of the question. so what do we do?

the message? none really i suppose but when you look at the rift in wage to cost of living it does lend one to wonder if way back in the day it might have been a bit easier to take that risk.

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George Reiter 3 years 7 weeks ago
#11

The wealth of the middle class is being tapped as a resource for the one percent persons. But, the wealth of our nation is being tapped also with selling off our natural resources, which includes land, to support the strength of the American dollar for the benefit of the 1% persons population. These two resources are what the one percent population is counting upon to maintain their power. I’ve deduced through observation that I am no longer a Citizen, but a victim. I support the Own Wall Street campaign...

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arky12 3 years 7 weeks ago
#12

Got to be able to filter out the garbage that's continuously fed to the people over our airwaves in the form of "news". I quit listening to mainstream media years ago. I'd watch some local goings on and weather, but rarely anything more then that. I've suspected a government behind the government since the 70's but never could figure out what it was. Very elusive, but now they are just arrogant and flat out in the open not caring anymore that we know what's going on. In a sense that is almost more scary to me then not knowing. It's like they know something we haven't learned about yet. Either that or they are flat out scared that the wall of cards is starting to crumble around them. I truly don't think they expected the people to wake up and to stand up for their rights. Not only in this country but around the world. We are in a unique time in our history and ultimately the people will win. We are 99% and they are only the 1%. Majority rules. In the meantime we are in for a rough ride. Hang onto your seats.

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arky12 3 years 7 weeks ago
#13

I would suggest leaving Calif. I used to live there for 36 years then moved to Denver on a job transfer and now in Arkansas in a gated community where my mortgage per month is $370.00, not incl taxes. Taxes and insur are around 100.00 per mo. No car pmt, no credit cards. I've been downsizing my living for a number of years. Good thing. A normal month runs me around $1300.00 and I get more then that in SS, plus I have a small pension and IRA so I actually can save most months. I am single.

I do agree that cost of living for a lot of people is much higher and I consider myself very fortunate. I am retired and I do get Medicare which runs me close to $100.00 per mo, plus co-pays and deductibles, which go up every year while benefits decrease.

Like Thom said on his show if min wage increased along with cost of living since 1980, min wage should be somewhere between $14-17.00 per hour. I recall on a news channel in Denver probably 10 years ago it was estimated that a single working mother with 2 children needed to earn around $18.00 to live comfortably, considering the cost of child care, etc. Wages have been kept suppressed while CEO's pay went up. In order to keep people buying stuff they had to create credit cards so we could purchase beyond our monthly income so they could keep the profits coming in. Does anybody out there feel used? I do. In a sense I am fortunate that I've been economically savy for a number of years and have done credit and debt counseling as well as having worked in the mortgage industry and been an accountant, done tax returns, etc. I have not owned a major credit card for 15 years, thank God. Trickle down? It's been more of a trickle up economic system for 30 years. Remember we were warned about the giant sucking sound south when free trade came in? Well, we've also experienced a giant sucking sound north as the 1% sucked up all the money and left us with squat.

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#14

Bill Maher show, tonight, was actually pretty good. It looked like someone was about to bash heads at one point..got a little intense. They had on some clown from Fox Snooze rattling off his right-wing non-sense and Cornel West and Michael Ware were really cutting up and into the guest, Ron Christie. Michelle Goldberg was on their side but more subdued. Maher had to calm things down. Unfortunately, though, the show led off with a walk on/off guest Grover the Rover (Woof, Woof) Norquist.

Michael Ware had a lot to say about the situation in the middle east and how the US just fell into Iran's traps...the last of which may be yet to come...when they move into Iraq. It's horrendous...during the Iran-Iraq war when the US was playing one side against the other trying to wear both down, then the US invades Iraq, seemingly winning that war until the insurgents, backed by Iran, wore the US down..and is leaving Iraq easy pickings for Iran which will give Iran a free hand at imposing it's will on Iraq. Actually Ware didn't say all of that exactly but he did say that the Iranians were actually, covertly, whipping US butt over there and sent a strong message to the US that they had better get out of the region. Ware also mentioned that all of this campaign rhetoric by Obama about pulling troops out of Iraq by the end of the year was actually an agreement by the baby Bush regime and the Iraqis and that he really had no other choice but to pull out. Had it not been for that agreement, Obama probably would have kept troops there much longer. Ware condemned baby bush for even starting the war to begin with. But he wasn't going to let Obama take false credit for something that had to happen anyway.

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Fred Wilder 3 years 7 weeks ago
#15

.I do have confidence in this generation coming of age, I look at the incredible moral strength of my mom and dad's grandchildren and see more than an incremental growth over my generation. As a whole they are probably better educated than we were and my folks didn't do bad for a couple of HS grads, all 7 of their kids got higher education, and all 7 have led meaningful lives and have contributed to their communities. As my generation turned its energy inward and ignored the growing global injustice these past 30 years, the generation of our children seems to be turning outward to question the broader meaning of community.

I see the Occupy movement as humanity's reaction to injustice. There is a theory that every 75-80 years America goes through a systemic change, 1775, 1861, 1933......2012? Normally that change occurring because of a widely accepted injustice in our society and a generational change happening at the same time. If nothing else the resurgence of awareness, the change in the discussion and the widespread personal tragedies resulting from the injustice of the tyranny of the obscenely rich have touched something different around the world.

From my perspective the beginning of the change is underway. It isn't going to take the decades it took to achieve reform in the past. Mankind is overusing the material resources of this planet, no financial instrument in the world can change that. The fact that such a tiny percentage of mankind is responsible for this overuse is just not going to wash for too much longer. We're all stuck on this little island in the galaxy that we can't leave, so we either figure out a reasonable way to preserve the species cooperatively and democratically or we allow madmen to lead humanity along a path of more of the same until the biological imperative takes over. I'm betting on the children....I think they are doing very well in defining the issue not as "right against left", "red/blue", "rich/poor" or "capitalism/socialism" they are defining it as a simple matter of justice. How elegant, how simple and how brilliant. That's reason enough for an oldtimer like me to think change is coming, because what I see in my mom and dad's grandchildren I've seen in the faces of humanity around the world this past year.

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leighmf 3 years 7 weeks ago
#16

Well, money in the wrong hands corrupts absolutely. However there are two sides- money in the right hands is incorruptible. That is how we are to know the difference between good and bad, righteous or wicked- who has the money and how "wealth" is distributed when in reality man doesn't own one stick of the forest or one shell on the beach.

I think demonstrating at personal residences and ordering unwanted pizzas and such for the perps would quickly be defined in the courts as stalking.

Better than an actual magazine, which is a more class-act publication, what about a cheap tabloid, The National Acquirer? That way they can't be missed by those waiting in line with their food stamps. They could be shown in compromising spa shots and shoplifting from Saks; making it with the pool boy or nanny, whichever be the case.

Something special should be devoted to estate and patent lawyers, the trucking industry, King Corn and securities traders, all in the same publication:

Truckers, Shuckers, and Class F Lawyers aka

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#17

Well, when the courts, and our system of "justice?", are so corrupt to begin with that it lets a few extremely wealthy people get away with not only stealing us all blind but with mass murder (they get rich by killing people in other countries in illegal wars; and now, by killing people in this country by squeezing us out of our jobs), then who the heck cares about whether pestering people at their residences is defined by the courts as stalking. They are lucky we are not lopping off heads as they did in the French Revolution.

And if you can say that people are "stalking" in one place, at someone's home, then why can't they also say that we are "stalking" people when amassing in front of banks and Wall Street. Let's not give any iota of humanity to those who have not given any to the rest of us. In order for real change to happen we have to scare the bejesus out of these criminals so they will not be so brazen and in our faces about their crimes.

We are at war, by the way, and the rich started this most recent war at least 30 years ago by slowly squeezing us out of our wages, our homes, our lives and the lives of our families. When courts and politicians are so corrupt that they go along with these criminals, because they have become criminals themselves, they can no longer be respected. There's no honor in what they do...they are our executioners. Some of them believe that the world needs to be trimmed down of it's population and you can see how they are now trying to do it.

Yes, we are at war...a war we did not start...and we were losing...when we played their games of politics and believing that we had to rely on their system of voting for the best person to tell us lies and give us the shaft...because that was the "civilized" way of doing things. Most of us now realize that voting really does not matter in a corrupt system. And people are fed up watching their children, or other loved ones, die of treatable diseases that they can not afford to have treated because for 30 years these criminal elite have rigged the system so that we couldn't survive. When most other countries have adopted workable form of socialized medicine (and even higher education) the US is content to watch their people die and suffer all because they couldn't afford decent medical care. They are "weeding" us out of existence.

The only thing we have left is to take to the streets...and if need be....those streets are right in front of the residences of those criminals who are the "godfathers" of the organized crime families that are working to murder many of us.

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cygnus1 3 years 7 weeks ago
#18

Speech is the sword of righteousness of man when it is used with reverence and heart.” Joseph Michael Levry (Gurunam)

Semper Fi: Occupy Marines Bringing Reinforcements To Occupy The Nation #Ows

God Bless You Guys!!!
Love, Peace and Light
Let’s Make America Right" - submitted by Tim Owen

We have the U.S. Marines! We have the U.S. Army! And some do not like it! - Cygnus1

"I have been showing to the Occupy Seattle demonstrations every weekend. The first weekend I was there I showed in my full dress greens, even though the pants had mysteriously shrunk around the waist, and the corframs were very beat up. The sign that I have been holding up says “We Support the People.” The statement I am trying to make is that the constitutional rights of Americans, not only in Seattle, but around the country are being violated by ridiculous municipal codes and park laws. The Marines from new York have been my inspiration.

"I have been the only veteran that was present in my full dress uniform. The following weeks have shown a small turnout of other veterans wearing parts of their uniforms, however they are already tied to other groups. The Occupy Seattle movements seems like it is dwindling because of violations to the citizenship’s first amendment rights and they don’t even seem to know it.

"I am currently trying to organize veterans at the Community College at which I am attending but it is a slow process and I also work 40+ hours a week. I fully support the idea of this group, all of us swore that we would support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic. I am one of you and I am ready to do my part to serve my country the way we defenders of the Constitution should.

Brandon Burton,
Specialist,
US Army, Cavalry

And some do not like it. - Cygnus1

Marine Who Faced Off NY Cops Talks Of Scott Olsen Attack - Vid - Rense.com

"Are you crazy? You are trying to recruit active duty military personnel for your protest? Are you deliberately trying to get these people into trouble. The Armed Forces of the United States is a neutral component in this and cannot be seen as supporting any group either directly or indirectly, to ensure Military Personnel understand the ramifications of doing this I have contacted the Department of Defense as well as each branch of the Armed Forces to look into this. Additionally this site is openly stating that you have the full support of the Armed Forces and that they are recruiting Active Duty personnel." - quote from retired veteran @ occupymarines.org - along with link.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/22/semper-fi-occupy-marines-bringing-reinforcements-to-occupy-the-nation/

Is there a different Constitution which the Military and Armed Forces should abide which differs from that of the ordinary citizen? I thought all were under the same Constitution and flag! It seems according to this retired Veteran, that the PROTECTERS of the United States are not supposed to take sides, meaning they are to only protect the interests of the elite or 1%. If the protecters of the United States with all their military forces are not to protect THE CONSTITUTION and the PEOPLE who live under that Constitution, then what, may I ask, are the military protecters of the United States supposed to be doing?

Does not active duty in UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES mandate the entire reasoning of BEING ON MILITARY DUTY in one form or another?!

If, the Military men and women are to fight for the "freedom of America" then, of course, THEY NEED TO FIGHT FOR THE FREEDOM AT HOME IN WHICHEVER WAY IT NEEDS BE DONE.

Oh, how afraid are the elite and their "stripend accounts." Breathing fire down the backs of the Marines and their Armies! Threatening them with dismissal and attacks on their persons in the form of "traitors to the U.S. government!" as run by foreign powers." What ludicracy!

By forbidding dress uniform or fatigues to be worn at protests, the government is trying to divide those who defend the freedom of the United States from those who defend the freedom of the bankers, corporations and the entire 1% and its millions of eyes.

Why can the Marines, Armed forces, Navy, Airforce and others not wear their uniforms or fatigues, in a protest TO PROTEST AGAINST THEIR U.S. FOREIGN CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT and all of its branches who REFUSE TO UPHOLD THE VERY CONSTITUTION THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED UPON AND THEY ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD?!

The U.S. foreign controlled government is afraid that military men and women in military uniform dress and fatigues will provide too strong a front for the protesters. These military protesters in dress uniform and fatigues will, as a large group, intimidate the police by their very presence and octive chords. If the military in full dress uniform and fatigues come together in such attire on the side of the people, then the U.S. foreign controlled government, the Pentagon and its sections, will shake in their boots FOR THEY WILL THEN HAVE NO MILITARY UPON AMERICAN SOIL TO FIGHT AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THE United States of America, hence there will eventually be no way to arrest the people and throw dissenters in one of the 800 secret prison camps FEMA has set up.

One marine asked why I use so many caps. The reason I do this is to get my point across and caps and bolding stand out. But because you have told me that you find caps rather difficult to read, I will try and limit the use of them and thank you for your comment. - Cygnus1

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cygnus1 3 years 7 weeks ago
#19

Occupy Wall Street Protesters Reportedly Arrested For Closing Their Accounts- Call The CEO

October 15, 2011

By

"Details are still unknown, but initial reports on the Occupy Wall Street Livestream are that people are being detained inside a CitiBank branch and some are being arrested for trying to close their accounts." Quote

It all fits in together:

NEW VIDEO - Oakland Police Shoot Protester HELPING Scott Olsen To Safety In Violation Of Geneva Convention

"A protester shows his wound after the police shot him with a rubber bullet while he helped carry Scott Olsen. The bullet had to be removed from his body. The Oakland police violated their own rules, and violated the Geneva Convention against targeting wounded combatants or those attempting to render medical aid." Quote whatreallyhappened.com

First Hand Account of the Police Assault on Scott Olson

Marine Who Faced Off NY Cops Talks Of Scott Olsen Attack - Vid - Rense.com

The police shoot a PATRIOT in the HEAD! Scott Olson now needs brain surgery. Scott Olson was protesting PEACEFULLY, against foreign rule of the U.S. government! Scott Olson was protesting against the overturn of the freedoms of the citizens of the United States! Scott Olson was protesting against the OVERTURN OF THE CONSTITUTION by the foreign based powers dictating to the U.S. government and the Pentagon!

For this his American "brother" SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD AT CLOSE RANGE, DELIBERATELY!

Where there is peace, peaceful protests will abide, but when backs are up against the wall and CRUELTY EXISTS TOWARD THEM, THEN DO NOT EXPECT COMPLIANCE, with people laying down to be MURDERED AND BRUTALIZED, TERRORIZED, AND STOLEN FROM.

Civil servants have their wages paid for by the taxes of the people, yet these ones turn on their employers, beating them with batons, shooting them with mace and pepper spray, and shooting them in the head!

Taxes are illegal in all formats and are not universally recomended, for with the use of such usury come corruption, theivery, and political and crowd control.

Here, under this present system, dealing with taxes, the people pay the wages of the police so the police can pay their own rent or mortgage, and buy themselves food, whilst the police, terrorize, arrest, shoot to kill, and steal the very food from the mouths of their employers!

People are no longer allowed to bank where they please because the 1% believe the people will start a new trend and that trend will eventully result in quantitative easing for the people by the people. The quantitative easing for the people will then result in a transition to a system without money, without usury and without guile.

And this will happen.

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Leonard Hills 3 years 7 weeks ago
#20

When the middle class disapears, and you have nothing; then they will rise up and take from the wealthy. One way or the other.

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cygnus1 3 years 7 weeks ago
#21

Just a quick mention of this for the purpose which you all need to know. - Cygnus1

Romney promises to abdicate American foreign policy towards Israel . . . to Israel

Quote:

"Now it seems that a President Romney will allow the Israeli government to decide American policy toward that country. The free daily newspaper Israel Hayom — a media outlet closely associated with right-wing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — asked Romney if, as president, he would ever consider moving the American Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. In his answer, Romney made some astonishing claims. First, that his policy toward Israel will be guided by Israeli leaders; second, on the Jerusalem issue, he’d do whatever Israel tells him to do; and third, he does not think the United States should take a leadership role in resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

ROMNEY: The actions that I will take will be actions recommended and supported by Israeli leaders. I don’t seek to take actions independent of what our allies think is best, and if Israel’s leaders thought that a move of that nature would be helpful to their efforts, then that’s something I’ll be inclined to do. But again, that’s a decision which I would look to the Israeli leadership to help guide. I don’t think America should play the role of the leader of the peace process, instead we should stand by our ally. Again, my inclination is to follow the guidance of our ally Israel, as to where our facilities and embassies would exist." end quote

I have news for you, the people of the United States of America: Your U.S. government is already being ruled by Israel. They uphold Israeli foreign policy; they pay Israel 3 billion a year of your tax money whilst you are thrown out of your homes and starve; they supply Israel with unlimited weaponry including deadly chemical weapons. Israel dictates the policy and demands your soldiers. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has open access to the Pentagon, and enters without escort whenever he wishes to visit the United States to read the riot act to the U.S. President behind closed doors. (Election time is coming up, you know, and anyone who wishes to be elected MUST tow the Israeli line. There are no if's or but's.. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#22

Right on, Cygnus1!!! I bet those cops would start to rethink about being so violent if people began to find out where the cops live and the cops had to worry about angry mobs attacking them in their sleep. Not that I would advocate such a thing, of course! But it is obvious that this internal war that the rich has waged against us for 30 years, and now using their fascist bully boys to crack heads and ribs, who seem to be very much into sadism, don't seem to be thinking about any potential retribution they may receive for their irresponsible actions. Or maybe, the people, with the help of the marines and army, start to crack a few heads themselves. There are so few of them and so many of us...if the mob got really ticked off they could do some real damage to those fascist sadists. Or, on a less violent note, if we ever do get back to a civilized society where the criminals no longer rule our government, some cops or other "officials" could be sued big time for their violent behavior.

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#23

Did anyone in the crowd witness these things..take down the badge numbers of the cops? Or are the cops even wearing badges to hide their identity? There needs to be an eyewitness central where eyewitnesses can report these abuses...so these cops can be held accountable later. Maybe if more demonstrators had camcorders and cameras to have a better chance of recording who did what to whom. And these photos or videos posted on a web site. This will put more pressure on those bullyboys from using violence, maybe.

mzsafiya 3 years 7 weeks ago
#24

Thank you for this break down of our current state of wage-slavery in the United States. Add to this the increasing shearing of our rights through the Patriot Act; the empowering of corporations with Citizens United; the beginning of the end of Women's Rights with anti-abortion legislation; throwing up legal obstacles to voting in the states; increased spending on the Military Industrial Complex, while diminished spending on the social safety net...This is all a recipe for revolution. Time to Occupy.

mzsafiya 3 years 7 weeks ago
#25

I agree with many of your sentiments. Until the national conversation changed with Occupy Wall Street, I think the economic and social justice picture in this country was bleak.

I am 62 years old and I have been fighting (non-violently, of course) all of these issues for 45 years. I spent three weeks at Occupy Wall Street starting September 17th. Then, I spent a week in Washington, DC at the "Stop the Machine" event. After many disappointing years, this has given me hope. Americans have been exhibiting years of some kind of dissociative disorder. Like a rape vicitm, we have been in a trance of denial. It's time to confront our abuser and embark on the journey of becoming whole again. This is what the Occupy movement is about.

I feel that every dissatisfied citizen owes it to themselves, and their country, to go down to their local Occupation and hang out for at least one day. Especially powerful is the General Assembly decision making process. Find your voice and feel empowered by participating. It feels good to be among like-minded citizens; it is gratifying to state your case. And, above all, you will be influencing others who haven't yet emerged from their post traumatic fog.

I was exhausted after years of having to choose the lesser of two questionable candidates in every election. In addition to participating in the Occupy movement, I found out about an experiment in Direct Democracy called Americans Elect and joined as a Delegate. I urge all of Thom's listeners to look into it. The more who participate, the better the result! Who knows? We could create real and lasting change! We are the 99% Don't get angry-get active! Check it out at: http://bit.ly/sCc6v5

mzsafiya 3 years 7 weeks ago
#26

You can be a witness. The world is watching. Check out: www.livestream.com/globalrevolution for live coverage of many of the major occupations. Also try: www.ustream.com/channel/occupy and add (without a space) the location you want to witness, like occupyoakland. There is also a streaming chat on both sites where more information is available, like Governor, Mayor, Police Chief phone numbers, facebook, and email. If you are observing police violence towards peaceful protesters you can make use of that information and respectfully request a change in policy. http://pastebin.com/ is also a place to check where people can list the badge numbers of police officers. If you can't be there, then please witness. Don't get angry-get active!

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cygnus1 3 years 7 weeks ago
#27

Palindromedary, you are absolutely correct in saying there should be people taking down badge numbers (if they can get close enough to read them), along with all other pertinent information. What the 1% and their worker eyes are doing to the people, the people must reverse. Coordinating with one another is definitely the beginning of this effort.

One group needs to collect the names, badges and details of the police in their sector, and another group needs to collect the names, badges and details of the police in another sector, and this needs to be coordinated and done throughout the country.

People! Encourage your protecters, the Marines, the Army, the Navy, and the Airforce. These men and women need to know their importance to you, and they need to know how they are to survive and pay their bills as they support and protect the Occupation protesters and become one with them.

This is where you, the people, must tell them of the quantitative easing which will be put into effect temporarily just as soon as the workers of the 1% have been thrown out of their offices and no longer have the control of the U.S. Military and all of its branches.The Military does this in other nations when they follow the orders of the 1% who want to change governments.

What has been done in other nations can also be done at home, in the United States of America whose government and Pentagon is foreign controlled.

Though the Military know about quantitative easing, it is good for you, the people, whom they protect, to constantly remind them so they never lose sight of that which they are protecting the people from, and that is: tyranny which has come into their nation and destroyed the Constitution, the people, and the nation. That tyrannical force which has divided and continues in trying to divide that which is to remain undivisable.

Money has always been the root of the problem, and now it is time to turn the tables on the 1% and their worker eyes who constantly report back to them in one way or another. Many many of these worker eyes occupy the places in offices on Wall Street, the White House, the Pentagon and all other Government departments throughout the country. Then there are the worker eyes throughout the layers of the lower levels. You will know them by their responses to you and moreover, their "actions" toward you.

But be careful of wolves in sheep's clothing, which may be among you. You will recognize these ones by their corporate powers of "influence" within, dividing you, the people, from yourselves and your cause, in the most subtle of ways. - Cygnus1

Quote: "

militarymama says:

You have made me so proud (and hopeful) to be an American! It is wonderful that you honorable vets use your training and commitment to protect our country from our country. Thank you … we’re watching, learning and counting on you!"

Quote:

John Coster says:

Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart. I’ve long thought we still have a chance to save our country as long as the armed forces don’t forget their oath to the Constitution. Semper Fidelis! God bless you."

Power of money and power of Military has always been the strength of the 1%. So you, the people, must take that strength BACK, and whilst that STRENGTH is being coordinated and built up, you, the people, must assist them in every way possible, beginning with collecting names and details, of the police and any other sector of worker eyes, Videos are also an excellent idea for here we have proof in the pictures. The Marines will tell the American people, whom they will protect, in the oneness of unity, undivided, what they need and what they need them to do. - Cygnus1

Quote: "OccupyOMC will support the movement. We will support demonstrators with organization, direction, supply and logistics, and leadership."

Document these videos for a time when you will need them.- Cygnus1

mzsafiya and the video links:

"You can be a witness. The world is watching. Check out: www.livestream.com/globalrevolution for live coverage of many of the major occupations. Also try: www.ustream.com/channel/occupy and add (without a space) the location you want to witness, like occupyoakland. There is also a streaming chat on both sites where more information is available, like Governor, Mayor, Police Chief phone numbers, facebook, and email. If you are observing police violence towards peaceful protesters you can make use of that information and respectfully request a change in policy. http://pastebin.com/ is also a place to check where people can list the badge numbers of police officers. If you can't be there, then please witness. Don't get angry-get active!"

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cygnus1 3 years 7 weeks ago
#28

"People of these United States of America, we are sad to say this organization has now been infiltrated by some of those worker eyes, and is being threatened by those at the top, which would be the Pentagon itself. The 1% have long known that to freeze the people out and starve them out will gain them the upper hand. We will discuss this issue more tomorrow, but for now, YOU, THE PEOPLE, MUST CO-ORDINATE YOUR OWN GROUPS TO HANDLE THIS SERIOUS ISSUE FOR THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THESE UNITED STATES MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO FAIL NOR TO FALL. - Cygnus1

A sister of these United States has asked for tents and warm clothing from the ones who had previously stated the following:

Lisa Wilson says:

HELP! We are in the midst of our very first snowstorm, expecting 12 or more inches. The camp was not very prepared and needs to be winterized ASAP. How can we get a hold of military tents, supplies to ensure our occupation can continue???

Please help us! Reply to blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com

Quote: "OccupyOMC will support the movement. We will support demonstrators with organization, direction, supply and logistics, and leadership."

OccupyOMC Donations

OccupyOMC Have Indefinitely Suspended Monetary Donations. We Believe Asking American Supporters Of The Occupy Movement To Deplete Their Already Over Depleted Coffers Diminishes The Purity Of Our Message, And That Of OWS.

We Ask If You Are Willing To Donate To Us, To OWS, And To The Demonstrators That You Donate Your Time, Knowledge, Experience, And Individual Expertise To ‘Occupy’ Groups Within Your Region.

(these people know full well without winter supplies for the Occupiers, there will be no Occupy groups this winter - Cygnus1)

With Our Collective Knowledge Base And Expertise Combined Will Be More Than Adequate To Meet The Needs Of OWS And Our Mission.

All Donations To Date Are Currently Being Refunded.

Keep Pushing Forward America We Support You (what a joke. - Cygnus1)

OccupyOMC

Semper Occupare"

THE TRUE MARINES OF THESE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION WILL NOT LET THE PEOPLES OF THESE UNITED STATES, DOWN, AND WILL NEVER PUT UP WITH THIS ATROCITY. - Cygnus1

RoseMary King says:

Dear Occupy OMC,

It is with great sadness that I read your organization is not accepting donations. Most of us Americans want to do something to help and most of us can afford to send you a couple of dollars. Please reconsider you stance on this subject and give all of us a chance to help. $5.00 per person can go a long way. $2.00 can go a long way. We just want to be able to find a way to help those who will be needing socks, long underwear for the cold months ahead. Thank you for all that you are doing and just tell us how we can be of service.
Sincerely,
RoseMary King

October 30, 2011 at 5:39 pm"Reply

Alice says:

I agree with RoseMary, If you would accept donations you could use those monies to help protesters w/gear. It’s getting cold, wet-they need warm bedding, food, clothes etc.
You are probably going to get tired of me saying “Thank you”.
Your noble acts are restoring an America I once knew.
Many of us are older, disabled etc and can’t be there in person. This can be another means for many, many more who want to participate be able to in this great movement.

October 30, 2011 at 8:00 pm"

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#29

But be careful of wolves in sheep's clothing, which may be among you. You will recognize these ones by their corporate powers of "influence" within, dividing you, the people, from yourselves and your cause, in the most subtle of ways. - Cygnus1

Excellent advice, Cygnus1!! There are also wolves in sheep's clothing posing as an "alternative" to the current corrupt two-party system...which would possibly be even more right-wing than what we now have. I think that if people really looked into this business about Americans Elect they will be just as ticked off as I am about being tricked.

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#30

"Ackerman defines NVR as “the shrewd use of strikes, boycotts, civil disobedience”[7] in addition to mass protests[8] and even nonviolent sabotage, to disrupt the functioning of government[9] and make “a country ungovernable.”[10] Since strikes, boycotts and civil disobedience are traditional leftist techniques, NVR campaigns often garner the support of a large number of left-leaning people. But NVR isn’t holding a demonstration, listening to speakers, and then heading home for supper. Neither is it doing what most Western leftists set as the limit of their political activism: pressuring elites. And it certainly isn’t pacifism based on moral or religious principle. Former Harvard researcher Sharp, Ackerman and Helvey’s docent, explains that NVR and principled nonviolence are not the same. Principled nonviolence is “abstention from violence based on ethical or religious beliefs.” NVR is a political technique for overthrowing foreign governments.[11] “It’s not about making a point, it’s about taking power,” explain Ackerman and a college buddy, Jack DuVall.[12]"

"Sharp’s contribution to the peace movement is showing the U.S. ruling class it can achieve its imperialist goals by nonmilitary means. Sharp and his disciples Ackerman and Helvey aren’t progressives at all. Nor are they advocates of the moral superiority of nonviolence. They’re imperialists who believe violence isn’t always the best policy in achieving imperial goals. The antiwar activists who have been misled by this trio, and by their publicist within the progressive community, Stephen Zunes, should be clear that NVR is a military technique yoked to political goals that serve the ruling class interests of the United States. It is not a moral position. It is a form of warfare with imperial political content. Helvey calls it “nonviolent war.”[31]"

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_56604.shtml

Don't be fooled...don't support Americans Elect!

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#31

"Ackerman made his fortune working alongside junk-bond king Michael Milken. His “Prada parka and winter tan remind you that you’re not in tattered NGO-land anymore. You’re in the presence of wealth.”[61]

After graduating from Colgate, he joined the graduate program at Tufts University Fletcher School, where he met Gene Sharp. “Ackerman spent eight on-and-off years at Tuft’s refining Sharp’s thesis.”[62]

After obtaining a PhD in 1976, he joined investment bank Drexel Burnham Lambert, where, according to James B. Stewart’s Den of Thieves, he had his head so far up his boss’s ass, he was known as “the Sniff”.[63]

Recruited by Milken to work as one of Drexel’s traders, Ackerman soon became the junk bond king’s highest-paid subordinate. In 1988, he made $165 million, after putting together the $26 billion KKR leveraged buyout of RJR Nabisco. One year later, his net worth having soared to about $500 million, he quit finance and turned to whittling down his 1,100 page PhD dissertation into a book, Strategic Nonviolent Conflict.[64]

It should come as no surprise that a man who reeks of wealth, heads a private investment firm, and sits on the board of the premier U.S. establishment think-tank, defines a central element of democracy as protecting “property rights.” [65] Indeed, the promotion of this central tenet of capitalist ideology is the reason Freedom House, the organization he formerly headed, exists. “You can’t,” Ackerman insists, “have government constantly expropriating the fruits of the labor of its citizens.” [66] Which citizens? Since property rights, in the words of Ackerman and other owners of productive property, are the rights of ownership to what other people have produced, Ackerman equates democracy with capitalism. What he really wants to protect is the right of investors (himself included) to expropriate the fruits of other peoples’ labor. That might explain why he thinks the United States, the world’s premier champion of capitalist exploitation, “has an awful lot to teach people around the world.”[67]

Conclusion

The destabilizers are clever marketers. They choose their words carefully. They draw on the reputation of nonviolent resistance, popularized in the United States by the civil rights struggle led by Martin Luther King Jr. And they repeat the words “democracy” and “dictator” endlessly. It’s all part of a clever marketing campaign, one that has deceived more than a few leftists in the Western countries whose financial and corporate elite profit from NVR. But then, you have to be clever to take on the former CIA function of destabilizing foreign governments, make it seem progressive, and get away with it.

Let’s be clear on what NVR is, what its goals are, and who’s behind it. It’s not nonviolence as a moral or ethical position; it’s a form of warfare, aimed at taking political power in other people’s countries. And while it’s based on nonviolence, it has, in its reliance on sanctions and financial isolation as an integral part of alienating people from target governments, devastating consequences, as real as those violence produces. It’s not used by grassroots organizations in the West to force their own governments to change reactionary policies, or to take political power at home. Instead, it is invariably aimed at foreign governments that have resisted integration into the U.S. imperial orbit. The major proponents of NVR are not independent grassroots organizers, socialists or anarchists. They are, instead, members of the U.S. financial and foreign policy establishment, or are linked to them in subordinate roles through organizational and funding ties. NVR is hardly progressive; it is an imperialist project whose only redeeming feature is the possibility that it may stimulate Western leftists to think about how they too might use the destabilizers’ techniques to take power in their own country to win the authentic battle for democracy.

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_56604.shtml

Is it any wonder, then, that Peter Ackerman has apparently tried to distance himself from Americans Elect and giving his son, the reigns? Don't be fooled by Americans Elect!

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cygnus1 3 years 7 weeks ago
#32

Palindromedary, your posts are very informative. As far as "Americans Elect" is concerned, you are right, do not let the name fool the American public. Let us look at a quote from......:

"The United States supports Israel in a variety of ways. We give them all sorts of military and economic support, roughly 3 billion dollars a year. Israel, despite the fact, it is a relatively rich country, receives more foreign aid than any other other country in the world. We veto resolutions in the United Nations all the time that are critical to Israel. Is one allowed to question that reality, or is the pro-Israel lobby so strong, financially and politically, that the relationship with Israel is taboo and therefore unmentionable? And what happens to those who dare expose the unmentionable?

"In March 2006 the American political scientists John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Steve Walt (Harvard) published the controversial article ‘The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy’. In it they state that it is not, or no longer, expedient for the US to support and protect present-day Israel. Together with the power shifts in Congress and the increasing doubts about the current Middle-East policy, this could become the fuse in the powder keg. Backlight talks to the people concerned in this ‘new realism’ debate.

The documentary sheds light on both parties involved in the discussion: those who wish to maintain the strong tie between the US and Israel (Neocon Richard Perle, televangelist John Hagee, and lobby organization AIPAC), and those who were critical of it and not infrequently became ‘victims’ of the lobby." end quote from a group who speaks about AIPAC. I will keep their name and paper confidential. - Cygnus1

I would say to the people of these United States, that as the Israeli Lobby AIPAC works for the exclusive benefit of Israel, using the monetary and material resources of the United States, including all U.S. Military for their agenda (to fight nations whom Israel deems, or wishes to be "the enemy of Israel") so do Americans Elect work as one with them.

What is AIPAC who surrounds the American Presidents and spies on Congress and the Senate, and other layers of government?

AIPAC is a "100,000-member grassroots movement of activists committed to ensuring Israel’s security" (and American interests for the benefit of Israel.) - Cygnus1

"For Peace in the Middle East, STOP AIPAC

Tears in Occupied Basra, Iraq. AIPAC had played a key role in fomenting support for the U.S. invasion of Iraq. It is playing an even greater role in supporting a future military strike against the people of Iran." end quote

Israel can put in any man or woman in the White House letting the people think the next President actually placed in the White House was put there by the people. But he or she is definitely not placed in the White House by the people of these United States of America.

Americans Elect wants you, the people, to believe you put the Presidents in power. Nothing could be further from the truth. They wish to pre-empt any possibility of ever seeing the White House occupied by a President who is a true reflection of American patriotic sentiments. The Americans Elect tell the people to forget voting for a party, to vote only for a President. Whereas, We the People, of these United States of America will dissolve the party system, Americans Elect will retain them for they have already been "cultivated" by Israel.

We have been speaking of dissolving the party system. Americans Elect speak now of the same thing. Do not be fooled, for Americans Elect is not working for you, the people, neither are they "American Patriots" as you, the people are. Their destination is ISRAEL. As long as Israel controls the U.S. President, the Military and the Monetary system, they control YOU, THE PEOPLE, OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

If a majority of American people remain in ignorance by supporting such philosophy and groups, the American people will continue to die in wars run by foreign powers, and will continue to die in the streets of their own nation, these United States of America, and to die of lack of medical care, medicine, education, and starvation. - Cygnus1

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Palindromedary 3 years 7 weeks ago
#33

Right on, Cygnus1!!!

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#34

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Even in the face of the so-called Recovery, poverty and inequality are getting worse in our country, and more wealth and power is flowing straight to the top. According to Paul Buchheit over at Alternet, this is the end result of winner-take-all capitalism, and this destruction of the working class has all been by design.

From Screwed:
"Thom Hartmann’s book explains in simple language and with concrete research the details of the Neo-con’s war against the American middle class. It proves what many have intuited and serves to remind us that without a healthy, employed, and vital middle class, America is no more than the richest Third World country on the planet."
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