Rick Santorum wants America to be more like Iran?

Rick Santorum wants America to be more like Iran?

Speaking of Iran – Rick Santorum wants the United States to be more like the rogue Arab nation.  In an interview with ABC on Sunday – Santorum said, “I don’t believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute.” 

In other words – Santorum believes we should institute a theocracy in America – just like Iran has.  Rick Santorum wants to wipe clean 230 years of American tradition – going all the way back to the founding fathers – who looked around the world at theocracies and wanted America to be different – who wanted a separation between church and state. 

Talk about the ultimate version of “Big Government” – Santorum believes in a government that will tell us what we can believe in – who we should pray to – and what our moral values should be.

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Recovering cons...
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Except Mr. Santorum will deny

Except Mr. Santorum will deny any similarities to Iran even if it obvious to everyone.That is why he is against any higher education where people learn to think critically especially in graduate degrees.

It is interesting his idea about the size of government

It is TOO BIG, if you regulate coal mines, oil wells, drug companies, or banks but government has to be big enough or at least contract to the 1% to test all social safety net recipients for drug use even though every time it has been done, it has been a waste of money since they have  a lower drug use than the national average. You have to wonder which group is moving that average up. Could it be the legislators, banksters, executives, etc, who are using.

Also government should be big enough to invade your bedroom and reproductive tracks so you are following the Morales of the person in the White House. A Santorum presidency would be the worse nightmare from 1984. I could see the defense department being rename the department of peace as we bomb every one that disagrees with us. Have you seen the new megi manison communities going into Loudoun Coutry, VA. The owner of those homes need another war so they can keep their government contracts. Lord, only knows what we will pay for those weapon after you get rid of the senior rederal employees and you are paying the employees that over see those contracts the new minium wage if he hasn't eliminated.

I wonder what Canada will have to do to stop the flood of people self deporting?

Dennis Colvin
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The message is clear and

The message is clear and simple and the response should be too. If Ricky Santorum doesn't "believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute." then he doesn't believe in the Constitution. Therefore, if he were elected, he could not be sworn in as President without committing perjury.

GranMaggie
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Separation of Church and

Separation of Church and State must be retained.  

In 17th century England & Scotland -- both before and after -- the kings decided what church people would attend -- and yes, thanks to Oliver Cromwell, it is still the Church of England.  The Catholics were persecuted in Scotland, where that had been the religion of the majority, but freedom of religion was practiced, and consequently many immigrated out of Scotland.  

There is an effort in Scotland now to separate the country from England for a number of reasons, with a referendum coming in a few years.  I would support it if I lived in Scotland.....  and even immigrating there would look good if we do not retain the White House, and take back the House.

 

 

MugsysRapSheet
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Santorum and his minions

Santorum and his minions think the President SHOULD be allowed to inject his faith into his politics.

These are the same people that think Obama is "a secret Muslim".

If he actually WERE a Muslim, do you think for a moment Santorum and his ilk would be defending President Obama's "right" to "inject his faith into his politics"?

Palindromedary
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I needn't say Santorum is a

I needn't say Santorum is a ridiculous, ignorant twit...he proves it to us nearly every day. We don't need an Ayatollah Santorum in the White House. His latest stupidity is saying that only rich white kids should have a college education and everyone else should just be their shoe-shine boys (I paraphrase, of course). We don't need blatantly ignorant hate mongers and hypocrite bible thumpers leading our country. But, we have to be very careful because, after all, that illiterate idiot Bush managed to win the Presidency, didn't he?

And "Oh, we are so, so very sorry we "mistakenly" burned all those Qurans..won't you please forgive us.....so that we can continue to murder your innocent civilians while we continue to occupy your country?" Yeah, right!!! The US would do a lot better to just get out of those countries..we are only creating more terrorists...definitely not winning hearts and minds. Of course, that is the plan isn't it? The US military industrial complex...many of whom live just within minutes of the DC beltway...really want a lot of terrorists...or at least they want us to be very afraid of that illusion so that they can continue to steal our money through taxes and keep us under their control.

Yup, I am voting for Obama again....not that I think he is much better, but the idea of having someone like Santorum in the White House..turns my stomach.

Maybe that is the whole plan? To make us all so ticked off and nauseated at the prospect of having our country look like Iran or Saudi Arabia through a Republican Torquemada in charge of our country that Obama doesn't seem so bad. And so the ruling elite would win again making us all believe that "we" won. And "we" would all settle down and continue to take it in the....until we again begin to realize what is happening to us. The ruling elite would have, again, a fake Democrat President who is playing the tunes of the ruling elite and the Democrat Congress would be hard pressed to avoid challenging him (because he is? a Democrat).So the ruling elite manages to get the Democrats to pass everything they wanted to begin with.

If a Republican ever actually does become President, they would have more opposition from the Democrats in Congress and the people would likely be more likely to revolt in a more violent and effective manner. The ruling elite knows this and so they are manipulating us through the facade of our corrupt two-party smoke-and-mirrors illusion.

I still don't think Obama is really on the side of the people and is really a Trojan Horse for the ruling elite...Wall Street...corporations..big oil....banksters...and even the military industrial complex...but Obama is, at least, more intelligent than those blathering, hate-mongering, idiots on the right. He doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve as many in the Republican party would. I would much rather see someone from the Green Party win but, knowing how easy it has been to harness and corral, through flashy political ads, the minds of the majority of the voters we had better stick with Obama.

Palindromedary
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Good luck on charges of

Good luck on charges of perjury...Bush apparently got away with war crimes and shat all over the constitution...not to mention all of his other criminal actions..and Obama (after he was elected, anyway) got very quiet about that and apparently, after wiping Bush's ....got very dirty himself. But, at least, Obama doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve.

whf60133
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@Dennis! I would love to see

@Dennis! I would love to see that attempted eventuality! Would it take one million signatures on a petition like in Wisconsin to get Mr. Frothy out of office? Actually, I really hope that "the people" can see what a naive megalomaniac this guy is!

stecoop01
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Leave it to an arrogant

Leave it to an arrogant christian like Santorum to make a statement like that.  When will they ever stop?

caccki
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The most appalling part of

The most appalling part of Santorum's stand is that some people will actually vote for him.  

dowdotica
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IDIOT,IDIOT,IDIOT THEY ARE

IDIOT,IDIOT,IDIOT THEY ARE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF IDIOTS. PIED PIPERS LEADING THE BLIND...

sadly though? people actually believe in these clowns. I liked thom's show today talking about the college thing. pretty scary the direction the country is heading. makes me sorry i couldn't afford to have a hundred kids. If the 2 i do have are as intelligent as they are it would have been nice to have a hundred at least that way i know there are at least a hundred chances more to affect intelligent change!lolol

leighmf
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Arrogance is not a Christian

Arrogance is not a Christian quality so there can be no such thing as an arrogant Christian.

PhilipHenderson
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Santorum believes America is

Santorum believes America is a Christian nation.  He wants to codify into law sections of bible that he believes should be part of our moral character.  He is for theocracy not democracy.  I know many Chrisitians in America who think just like him.  One friend told me that the Christian Bible is more important than the United States Constitution.  He told me that the laws in the Bible ought to take precedence over the Constitution.  He said that the founders of the nation, all of them, were Christians and what they were doing was starting America as a Christian nation.  I know that he believed everything he told me.  He is a lay minister in his church.  I know that he tells the members of his church the same as he told me.  There is no curse greater than pure ignorance.  Uneducated and misinformed people in the Republican Party believe in their hearts that America is and should always be a Christian nation.  When I asked my friend which Christian church is the "correct" church, he told me that his way.  When I explained that what about the other Christian churches that had other ways of understanding the Bible, he brushed it off saying, that his church had it right.  The other churches he said were just wrong.  When I told him that the words Jesus Christ and christianity are found nowhere in the Constitution, his response was that it was unnecessary because it was understood that Jesus is God.  I love it when these Chrisitians have a ready answer for every question.  I am not a Christian.  I was born and raised in the United States.  Should such a person as I am remain a citizen with the power to vote?  I think that Santorum would take away my voting rights unless I agreed to pray to his God.

WindHarps
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Beatitudes: A "Godless"

Beatitudes: A "Godless" Jesus?

 

constant confusion
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I'd start with "Rick who?"

I'd start with "Rick who?" But then I remember what happened in the lands of constant religion and also a land and its people that during the 20's and thirties grew into a want all nation...with a leader who fed that want. He kept on telling his people what they wanted to hear.

Why is it that when Republican leaders speak out against what they say is wrong, they themselves are doing the wrong and twist and blame that wrong on to others who are very far from that wrong.

To me, I think their merry-go-round travels so fast that, while trying to convince everyone that they are all knowing, they run into their own rear ends.   

historywriter
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Is it ignorance or another

Is it ignorance or another attempt to mislead people when he claimed that separation of church and state meant no people of faith could be elected to office.

He might be that dumb.

I think it's pretty hard to move to Canada these days.

Liberty-First
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Santorum said, “I don’t

Santorum said, “I don’t believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute.” END QUOTE !!

HE DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MAKING AMERICA INTO A THEOCRACY. OR MAKING IT LIKE IRAN, OR MAKING IT LIKE AN ARAB STATE.
Once again the “dashboard talking wobble heads” from the leftist septic tanks of lies have twisted and bastardized the truth. Doesn’t the left have ANY honest journalists???
You should be ashamed of yourselves. How do you sleep at night knowing God witnesses your deceit? … oh yeah ,… you don’t believe in that nonsense ….

Did it ever occur to any of you that Obama does not wear his religion on his sleeve because he may not be religious? I personally don’t think he’s Muslum or Christian devoted.

2950-10K
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Should the US become a

Should the US become a theocracy? I'm not sure, I still have a few lingering questions.

First, What kind of horrific tortures will the Branch Rickdians use to extract confessions from heretics like myself who unknowingly attended indoctrination mills?

What does the inquisitor job pay these days?

Will hysterical fear of witchcraft be a patriotic requirement? With this in mind will Christine O'Donnell be burned at the stake and what about that wizard named Rove?

Does it make one a snob to wish everyone in America could attend Liberty University?

Gregory Wonderwheel
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ERATA: Speaking of Iran -

ERATA: Speaking of Iran - Rick Santorum wants the United States to be more like the rogue Arab nation.

FYI Iran is not an Arab nation, it is a Persian nation.

 

 

 

Palindromedary
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Michael Hudson: "I have just

Michael Hudson:

"I have just returned from Rimini, Italy, where I experienced one of the most amazing spectacles of my academic life. Four of us associated with the University of Missouri at Kansas City (UMKC) were invited to lecture for three days on Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) and explain why Europe is in such monetary trouble today – and to show that there is an alternative, that the enforced austerity for the 99% and vast wealth grab by the 1% is not a force of nature."

"Stephanie Kelton (incoming UMKC Economics Dept. chair and editor of its economic blog, New Economic Perspectives), criminologist and law professor Bill Black, investment banker Marshall Auerback and myself (along with a French economist, Alain Parquez) stepped into the basketball auditorium on Friday night. We walked down, and down, and further down the central aisle, past a packed audience reported as over 2,100. It was like entering the Oscars as People called out our first names. Some told us they had read all of our economics blogs. Stephanie joked that now she knew how The Beatles felt. There was prolonged applause – all for an intellectual rather than a physical sporting event."

"...the emerging financial elite that hopes to use this crisis as an opportunity to become the new financial lords carving out fiefdoms by privatizing the public domain being sold off by governments that have no central bank to finance their deficits, and are tragically beholden to bondholders and to Eurocrats drawn from the neoliberal camp"

".....although we did many press, radio and TV interviews, we were told that the major media were directed to ignore us as not politically correct.

Such is the censorial spirit of neoliberal monetary austerity. Its motto is TINA: There Is No Alternative, and it wants to keep matters this way. As long as it can suppress discussion of how many better alternatives there are, the hope is that the public will remain acquiescent as their living standards shrink and wealth is sucked up to the top of the economic pyramid to the 1%."

"The size of the audience filling the sports stadium to hear our economic explanation of how a real central bank should operate to avoid austerity and promote rather than discourage employment showed that the government’s attempt to brainwash the population was not working."

http://michael-hudson.com/2012/02/mmt-theory-as-an-ecb-alternative/

Gregory Wonderwheel
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In an interview with ABC on

In an interview with ABC on Sunday - Santorum said, "I don't believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute."

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Of course that makes Santorum totally opposed to the "founding fathers" like Jefferson who was very proud in his autobigraphy that he kept the name of "Jesus Christ" out of the Virginia freedom of religion statutes.  Here's Thomas Jefferson's own words, which I believe Santorum would oppose.

"The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that it's protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it's protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination."

Palindromedary
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That's right, LF, I

That's right, LF, I definitely do not believe in all that nonsense, thank you very much! And I would also like it if Obama was an atheist. But I wouldn't even mind it if he was a Muslim. Don't really care. What I do mind is a bunch of thumpers trying to imprison everyone else into aping their ridiculous superstitions. Religion has led a very sordid history and many of us know that there are those who would love to see heretics and witches burned to the stake once more. We don't need that kind of stupidity any more. Science rules...not stupidstitions and their ignorant adherents.

Liberty-First
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Recovering conservative2RE:

Recovering conservative2
RE: Except Mr. Santorum will deny

What Mr. Santorum was saying is that America was founded upon Christian principals. America has ALWAYS self recognized itself as a Christian nation, and in recent mainstream polling; “70% of Americans identify themselves as Christian”.

Everywhere we look, - on our money, in the court houses in the schools, there are references to “In God we Trust”. When you go to court you still have to swear on the bible. Even the president has to swear his oaths with his hand on the bible and say things like “So Help Me God”
Santorum was referring to what currently is the religious climate in America.
Granted there are fewer and fewer of these references as they come under attack by liberals. But many will remain traditions for a long time to come.

So are you saying that if Santorum is elected that Americans will flood into Canada because Mr. Santorum claims to believe in Christian values?

Do you know how stupid that sounds?

Liberty-First
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Gregory WonderwheelERATA:

Gregory Wonderwheel
ERATA: Speaking of Iran -

Good point!!!
 And you are absolutely correct. Prsains are not Arabs. Also Persians do not like Arabs and Vice Versa. That’s why Saudi Arabia doesn’t want Iran to get nukes.

Liberty-First
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Palindromedary RE: That's

Palindromedary

RE: That's right, LF, I

So it’s OK with you if Obama is an atheist or Muslim. How would you feel if he was a Christian?

Palindromedary
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But America was NOT founded

But America was NOT founded on Christian principles...Santorum is wrong..and so is anybody else that says this. America was founded on escaping the very thing that some bible-spouting religionists now want to bring back....the bullying of everyone else to follow their particular brand of superstition. The founding fathers wanted to escape the imposition of any one particular religion on them...religious freedom...and the freedom to not practice any particular religion at all....freedom from religion. Of course, it didn't take long for some to, again, force their stupidity on others...which led to more witch burning and the like.

Santorum is typical of those who do not want anyone to be non-religious...and more specifically...he wants us all to follow his particular brand of religion. They play lip-service to other religions and pretend to be tolerant...but they are not tolerant. Most of all, he says the things he does because he knows that there are a lot of dummies out there that will nod their heads in agreement and will end up voting for him. For all we know...he is actually an atheist too. Or maybe...the devil? Naw, I don't believe in that non-sense either. But Santorum has four of the five letters of Satan in his name. And I thought I noticed some horns and a tail a few times. Watch out! The devil is awfully sneaky!

And much of that religious stupidity that wheedled its way into Americana was forced down our throats during the McCarthy era....when people were persecuted and afraid to stand out against the sinister forces of what amounted to hysteric lynch mob mentality by bully boy simpletons. We are again living that same kind of hysterics with a whole new invention of "terrorists", rather than "communists", as the neo-boogy man that we all have to be afraid of. And instead of the "God-less Commies" we are to be afraid of "Muslim terrorists". And the thumpers are all there salivating at their chance to force everyone else into their folds once more...through fear and intimidation, if necessary. By the way, all courts do not require putting one's hand on a bible and swearing to god to tell the truth....etc, etc. We are not all living in Kansas, you know. Keep religion in the churches where it belongs and not in our Government.

Palindromedary
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I would not care if he was a

I would not care if he was a Christian either. Doesn't matter as long as he is not wearing it on his sleeve like Santorum, or any of the other Fascist Republicans that are running for President. Obama is not like Bush in that one respect, at least. As long as Obama is smart enough to realize that he is President of a country with people with all kinds of beliefs, or non-beliefs, and that it would not only be awkward but inappropriate to wear his religion on his sleeve then I don't care what religion he is or is not, what sexual orientation he is or is not, or even if he is a Martian, or a Frenchman, as long as he does not favor one religion, or non-religion in the decisions he has to make then he is ok with me. I do have other issues about Obama...which really ticks me off. But I think the Republican candidates are not only ignorant and racist but they are also extremely selfish and childish. I certainly wouldn't want another 4 years of another Bush in the White House.

Palindromedary
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"The Right-Wing Plot to

"The Right-Wing Plot to Undermine Science in Public Schools
Leaked documents reveal a right-wing think-tank's plans to undermine the teaching of climate science -- and defund public education in the process."

http://www.alternet.org/education/154246/the_right-wing_plot_to_undermin...

Liberty-First
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Palindromedary RE: But

Palindromedary

RE: But America was NOT founded

Was America founded on Christian principles??????

If you don't know where you've come from, it's pretty hard to determine where you're going.
The history of America is an awesome drama. Our nation is no accident. For hundreds of years, the dream of liberty was carried across European history to be birthed on these shores, and biblical truth, biblical thinking, played a pivotal role in the birthing of America.
But was America founded on Christian principles? Just read the first words of the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
From the beginning, America's founders accepted the reality that basic rights were inseparable from human beings and they recognized that those inalienable rights were not given by government nor acquired by force, but that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are the gifts of the Creator.

In 1844, the Court said, "Christianity is part of our common law."

In 1892, the Supreme Court said this: "No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national because this is a religious people. This is historically true."

In 1930, the U.S. Supreme Court said this: "We are a Christian people, according to our motto."

In 1952, the U.S. Supreme Court said, "We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being.

The question isn't - Was America founded on Christian principles? The question is - what world view has given birth to and sustained America? The answer to that question is simple: Christianity.

Still not satisfied?

 
1. Quotes from our Founding Fathers on religion http://www.aproundtable.org/tps30info/beliefs.html

2. American History Online Archive http://www.aproundtable.org/tps_topic.cfm?issuecode=history
 

Gregory Wonderwheel
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"But America was NOT founded

"But America was NOT founded on Christian principles..."

That is absolutely correct.  The whole cultural context for the revolution and the Constitution was the Enlightenment that rescued intelligence from the dogma of "Christian principles" that were made clear in the Inquisition and the Witchunts and immediately in Jefferson's day, the mandatory tithing to the Anglican parish even if you were a believer of another religion.  There is no "God" in the Constitution and there is no "corporation" either, but the crazy fundamentalist Christians and Tea Party corporate sychophants believe their delusions despite the reality..

Liberty-First
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Palindromedary RE: "The

Palindromedary

RE: "The Right-Wing Plot to Undermine Science in Public Schools

OK I clicked your link and read through your article.

Let me preface by saying that I believe in scientific theory. I believe in evolution and other things that have been proven by unbiased testing and I realy on that alone.

As such, I am not convinced Global warming is man caused or to what extent it exists. My doubts are because many of the scientists tasked to determining these things were busted deliberately fudging the data to favor a crisis of pending global warming.
What better way to insert a political agenda than to tell the people they are about to die unless they do something? Such as surrender their energy liberty to a Cap and Trade scheme?

Cap and trade will give government’s massive centralized power over energy. Once a centralized government controls energy, food, water distribution and healthcare, they will begin to pull down all the churches. Destroying religion converts distraction away from individual preoccupation and directs it to focus ion the all knowing ~ all providing police state.
The switch flips, and now you're livestock for a government tyranny.

So I really don’t mind if some Christians parents, or many non Christian parents don’t want to have their children learn corrupt propaganda put out by liberals with a subversive twisted agenda.

And if anyone runs the schools today, its not Christians of conservatives, its liberals.

SUCCINCT EXPLANATION OF TODAY’S LIBERAL BIAS
Liberal bias is partisan selection or distortion of information to support liberal policies. This bias can be expressed by professors and public school teachers, College Board exams, reporters and other journalists in mainstream media, and any other information source. Typically purveyors of liberal bias falsely present themselves as being objective. Liberal bias includes techniques such as distorted selection of information, placement bias, photo bias and liberal style. There is a difference between being liberal, having a liberal perspective, and having a liberal bias.
The essence of liberal bias is to dismiss or even to censor all opposing views. For liberals, to allow the airing or publishing of an opposing view creates the risk that people might discover errors in the liberal viewpoint. On the other hand, CONSERVATIVES TYPICALLY UPHOLD FREEDOM OF IDEOLOGICAL EXPRESSION, WITH MANY EXPRESSING THAT ALTHOUGH THEY MAY OPPOSE A LIBERAL VIEW WITH EVERY FIBER OF THEIR BEING, THEY WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH THEIR RIGHT TO SAY IT, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT IN THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS THE TRUE WILL ALWAYS WIN OVER THE FALSE.

Gregory Wonderwheel
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Very funny (and sad) that

Very funny (and sad) that fundamentalists take the words of Thomas Jefferson as support for their delusions about Christianity. No fundamentalist today would ever accept Thomas Jefferson if he were alive today. The Jefferson Bible was Jefferson's redacted Bible taking out all the miracles and supernatural claims that Jefferson thought was hooey. Jefferson believed in Jesus, not in Christ. What Christian of the Santorum variety would accept that as Christian?!!!

"My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others..." April 21, 1803 in a letter to Dr. Benjamin.

In saying the above words, Jefferson was not proclaiming his Christianity in the conventional sense, he was saying that he was the true Christian because he didn't believe in the silliness of any of the official Churchs' interpretation of Jesus. But clearly, people in his day knew of his radical views of Jesus, and that is why they called him "anti-Christian" then, and would do so today if they listened to his words that came out of his mouth and not the words they put into his mouth..

Liberty-First
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Gregory Wonderwheel RE Tea

Gregory Wonderwheel

RE Tea Party corporate sycophants

TEA PARTY

1)      Message: No socialism, lower taxes, smaller government, restore liberty, leave our children alone and get off our backs or we will vote you all out off office. Respect the constitution.

2)      Method: organized

3)      Mostly average middle class Americans

4)      Peaceful protests

5)      No arrests nationwide in 2010 for the entire year and 300 protest events

6)      Leave protest area clean when they leave

7)      Never any clean up or repair cost left for others to pay

8)      Never camped out or occupied, short events usually a few hours

9)      Accomplishments: instrumental in voting out huge numbers of democrats in the 2010 midterms

 

OCCUPY

1)      Message: Confused, no cohesive leadership, differing ideas why they’re protesting from one person to another, even when they are at the same event.

2)      Method: disorganized

3)      Mixed participation of financial backgrounds

4)      Violent protests

5)      Many arrests nationwide 1600+ and counting in just 5 weeks in 2010

6)      Widespread narcotics trafficking and use

7)      Gang Rapes

8)      Muggings

9)      Robbery

10)  Arson

11)  Disturbing the peace

12)  Harassment of local business causing damage, lost revenue, public fear and chaos

13)  Defecting on police cars and in public.

14)  Public nudity

15)  Caused millions in damage to both public and private property (Cost to struggling municipalities forced to clean up was in the millions $$)

16)  Required massive public service responses for fire, ambulances, swat teams and city maintenance workers. More millions $$ wasted

17)  Accomplishments: unknown

Karl Smiley
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Thom, You should know.  Iran

Thom,

You should know.  Iran is not an Arab nation, it's Persian....and why do you call it a "rogue" nation.  Are you buying into the propaganda?

Palindromedary
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There were always a few

There were always a few aggressive bully-boy troublemakers who wanted to make everyone else follow their particular brand of superstitious stupidity. It was always the other guy who was going to hell because they didn't interpret the Bible...or the Quran...or whatever holy book you follow...the way the you do. I think the reason why some religious people try so hard to convince others in their beliefs is because it is a way for them to reassure themselves because they really have doubts, themselves. It really must be very hard to believe in a lie. And once you commit yourself, whether it is because you have been propagandized into the flock from your parents or friends, you don't want to be an outcast by expressing doubt. One such person that went through this was a very devout Christian when very young and as a boy went around trying to convert people. Then he became a minister and a evangelist and was a very talented musician who wrote many popular Christian songs that are still being sung today. And, of course, he has written many great books. He eventually began to realize that it was all a lie. Today, Dan Barker, the Co-President of Freedom From Religion can be found at www.ffrf.org/about/getting-acquainted/

Palindromedary
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Tea party: Peaceful protests?

Tea party: Peaceful protests? You mean they can get away with carrying firearms strapped to their hips and yet don't get beaten by police? And it seems to me that they attacked a woman in a wheel chair once...didn't they? Yet, the peaceful Occupy protesters sitting peacefully on the ground gets pepper-spray in their faces? If the Tea Baggers had the cops treating them like they treat the Occupy movement then they wouldn't be so pro Fascism. Oh, and you left out the most important thing....Tea Baggers largely funded by the Koch Bros...main stream 1 percenters who are warring against the rest of us 99%. So, organized? Yes, they are organized by the 1% who use some middle class useful idiots that should know better. You can't fix stupid! By the way, how do you "defecting" on police cars? Does that mean that the Occupiers are "defecting" to the Tea Baggers side? Oh, you mean "defecating" on police cars....yeah...that's disgusting isn't it? lolol

U.S. Citizen
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Nor is it any more of a rogue

Nor is it any more of a rogue nation than the U.S>

U.S. Citizen
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Nor is it any more of a rogue

Nor is it any more of a rogue nation than the U.S.

Recovering cons...
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No Amercians who want to be

No Amercians who want to be free in Santorum Sharia America will leave for Canada.

Clarissa Smith
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I had this discussion with a

I had this discussion with a fundamentalist ex-friend. My logic didn't help, because these people don't appreciate logic. Their answer always sounds like:

"You mustn't be smart, there are better values than logic."

"Jesus wants us to be like children."

They downright tend to consider stupidity, silliness and flatness virtue. And of course they downsize their own intelligence that way. Their communication doesn't make sense, and it isn't meant to make sense.

Basically this is pre-Enlightenment logic, roughly pre-Anno-Domini-1650. It is the anti-logical thinking of the middle-ages: Taking the whole Bible literally and wherever this conflicts with logic, deny and suppress logic. The outcome indeed is shockingly close to the society in Iran.

A discussion with fundamentalists is impossible. Liberals and Christian fundamentalists live in kind of entirely different universes. No option to communicate. I can communicate with my daughter, who is a disabled seagull. She isn't intelligent like humans, but she makes sense and I understand her language.

There was no other way than saying good-bye to my ex-friend. Her only goal was to convert me. These people are crazy.

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Clarissa Smith
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Liberty-First wrote:Santorum

Liberty-First wrote:
Santorum said, “I don’t believe in an America where the separation between church and state is absolute.”
That is already dangerously close to theocracy. He doesn't speak it out, but this aims in a direction that aims at theocracy.

Santorum's talking about the devil heading for America, is fundamentalist middle-age crazy-talk. This is insane. Anyhow, I don't trust this guy if I hear his tone -- just consult my Twitter-Propaganda-Machine:

Clarissa Smith's Twitter Machinegun wrote:
ClarissaSmith2

@AlanColmes And why does Santorum always sound like gritting teeth while speaking? Sounds like, "I'll get ya'll--gonna annihilate ya rats!"

 In reply to Alan Colmes

Frankly, Santorum is scary!

Clarissa Smith
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Some more quotes on this

Some more quotes on this issue, from my Twitter-Propaganda-Machine:

Clarissa Smith's Twitter Machinegun wrote:
ClarissaSmith2

@Thom_Hartmann Fundamentalists are trained to (1) prefer fundamentalist Bible interpretation to reality & logic (2) convert other people.

 In reply to Thom Hartmann

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ClarissaSmith2

@JohnFugelsang Discussing with those who think, there's a better basis than logic and reality is useless. They're able to talk the sky pink!

 In reply to John Fugelsang

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ClarissaSmith2

@JohnFugelsang My daughter protests postdating her ancestor archeopteryx!

 In reply to John Fugelsang

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ClarissaSmith2

I don't talk about people being distracted, talking gibberish, it's insane Republicans, talking extremely manic lunacy!

thomhartmann.com/blog/2012/02/r…

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Liberty-First
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Palindromedary RE: "Tea

Palindromedary

RE: "Tea party: Peaceful protests"?

You are referring to perhaps 1 (ONE) Tea Party rally where they wanted to underscore their constitutional rights to bear arms !! And that was their legally intended purpose for the rally. To remind all the socialists in Washington that you can’t take their guns away.

Americans have the right to strap guns to their hips, their foreheads, they can duck tape it to a baseball cap or wear it around their neck on the end of a gold chain if they want.
A constitutional right to bear arms.
Therefore they have broken no laws; therefore the police cannot engage them on this issue. However, if they concealed the weapons like criminals do, or don’t have a concealed weapon carry permit, then they would be breaking the law if they were caught.
Furthermore, please note: no firearms were discharged at any Tea Party Rally. Nor did they pistol whip anyone. In fact, not one single Tea Party Rally resulted in a single incidence of violence.
100% perfect is as 100% does. The facts don’t lie. Liberals lie.

Alternately, Occupy folks repeatedly violate laws and disturb the rights of others. When they are asked to peacefully disperse and refuse, it can result in some persuasion in order to protect the public. And in my last list of their bad behavior, I forgot to mention that MURDER was committed at occupy protests beside 100’s of other crimes.

The strategy of the occupy movement is to provoke a violent response, maybe get global news coverage of American police brutality. But in fact, overall considering what a bunch of immature blockheads came out of the closets, they were treated with far more patience than they deserved. Especially in light of all the pointless damage and financial harm every one of their occupy events caused.

In summary, the occupy movement is indefensible in their behavior, has no coherent message other than to disrupt like immature spoiled brats, and because of that, no one is paying any attention to them anymore.
They have amounted to little more than a public nuisance and a danger to property and persons.

The Tea Party movement is not financed by shadow interests. They are a grass roots organization founded and funded almost entirely by average Americans wishing to preserve America’s liberty and constitution and not have it hijacked by leftist radicals.
Their message is to thwart the spread socialism. Demand lower taxes not more spending, smaller government, restore liberty, leave our children alone and get your boots off our necks or we will vote you all out of office. They want the constitution upheld and if not trampled on. And stop the insane government waste of THEIR MONEY.
If not they will vote out any politician whether GOP or Dem or Independents that doesn’t listen.

THE FACTS DON’T LIE. LIBERALS LIE.

Liberty-First
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Recovering conservative2 RE:

Recovering conservative2

RE: “No Americans who want to be”

Apparently in Canada they have government healthcare, wealth redistribution, and limited/censored free speech already. The majority identify themselves as liberals or maybe French. And you can’t own guns.SO WHY WAIT? JUST GO THERE NOW?
“It already has everything you’re trying to FORCE America to become”.
And there’s probably room and opportunity to make it worse with so many Liberals concentrated in one place.

:)

Clarissa Smith
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More from the Twitter

More from the Twitter Propaganda Machine, on American Fundamentalism, harming America:

Ed Schultz ‏ @edshow

"Rick Santorum is appealing to middle-classers with lies and distortions," says #edshow. #video fb.me/Ps9vIgtL

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@edshow I hope NOT, but if true America would terribly hurt herself. Heading to pre-Enlightenment world, which means joining 3rd world!

 In reply to Ed Schultz

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Clarissa Smith RE: I had this

Clarissa Smith

RE: I had this discussion with a

Blah Blah Blah. BlahBlah-Blah
Blah, Blah Blah Blah. BlahBlah-Blah ~~~ blah *

Clarissa, Clarissa … Dear Clarissa …. You drone on with your rhetoric, but like all Liberal bias enthusiasts you really believe the majority of America is listening to your brand of endless dissertations and abstract quotes from pre-Anno-Domini-1650, or the French revolution or some other distracting off message crap.

WE are having a debate as to whether the ever irrelevant and shrinking modern day Liberal movement in America is a threat to the  United States constitution or not? Please try and stay on point!

Thank you.
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SUCCINCT EXPLANATION OF TODAY’S LIBERAL BIAS
Liberal bias is partisan selection or distortion of information to support liberal policies. This bias can be expressed by professors and public school teachers, College Board exams, reporters and other journalists in mainstream media, and any other information source. Typically purveyors of liberal bias falsely present themselves as being objective. Liberal bias includes techniques such as distorted selection of information, placement bias, photo bias and liberal style. There is a difference between being liberal, having a liberal perspective, and having a liberal bias.
The essence of liberal bias is to dismiss or even to censor all opposing views. For liberals, to allow the airing or publishing of an opposing view creates the risk that people might discover errors in the liberal viewpoint. On the other hand, CONSERVATIVES TYPICALLY UPHOLD FREEDOM OF IDEOLOGICAL EXPRESSION, WITH MANY EXPRESSING THAT ALTHOUGH THEY MAY OPPOSE A LIBERAL VIEW WITH EVERY FIBER OF THEIR BEING, THEY WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH THEIR RIGHT TO SAY IT, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT IN THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS ……......................................

….. THE TRUE WILL ALWAYS WIN OVER THE FALSE.

Clarissa Smith
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I don't read that completely,

I don't read that completely, it looks and sounds even more manic than your stuff before. You're actually another Santorum -- 5 five mins to head exploding and blackout.

You guys are scary.

Liberty-First
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Clarissa Smith RE: I don't

Clarissa Smith

RE: I don't read that completely,

You WILL read everything Clarissa because you are obsessed with formulating distractions to draw attention away from the rampant error of liberalism.
You may not admit reading it, but you will. … You will….
And I fully expect that you will respond with more distractions. What will it be next time, another French history lesson?
Or just more lies to trick the ignorant who may not know the difference between truth and propaganda.

“Lying can cause serve mental constipation”
If you think your head is going to explode, take some laxative, it will help evacuate all that self impacted liberal propaganda.
Just get it out of your system and you’ll feel better !!

Worked for me, I used to be a liberal dimwit too. Now I’m all better. :)

Pulladigm
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These people have to decide-

These people have to decide- Are they Christians who live in amrica OR are they Americans who practice christianity?

If the former then they are domestic enemies of our Constitution and as such traitors. If the latter they resoect, support,"...Uphold protect and defend defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic..."

I think it is time to do away with the "Pledge of Allegiance." Not just the phrase "...under god..." It is time for a new pledge, a Citizens Oath. I propose the following:

I am one of We The People who is commited to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure the domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. To that end I will respect, support, uphold, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic.and I will carry out the duties and responsibilities of a citizen of the United States of America.

This "Citizens Oath" says it all clearely and succinctly. It gives people a reminder of the purpose of our Constitution, the purpose and goals of our nation. It will be a point of discussion for all people, young and old.

~;^}>

Superstition is harmful to children and other living things.

If you like things the way they used to be- tax a millionaire, support a union and buy American.

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That is why Canada has been

That is why Canada has been raising the bar for imgration and why there are buses to take Senior in the border states to go buy their drugs in Canada. see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/index.asp, I realize that Rick S doesn't want you to read or learn unless you be considered a snob but you should check your facts that the migration has already started.

John Defalque
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This Cdn communist has to

This Cdn communist has to ask-what is it about religion in the US?If you added up all the seconds I thought that maybe god exists, they would amount to perhaps less than 10 seconds in my 44 yrs of life.

I think you have to be rich to beleive in god.Even a brief period of incarceration, homelessness, illness, injury, unemployment, or poverty could permanently murder your faith in god.