Daily Topics - Thursday May 3rd, 2012

Daily Topics - Thursday May 3rd, 2012

Catch The Thom Hartmann Program LIVE at our new time, 3-6pm Eastern!

Hour One: Will there be a shoot out at the GOP convention? Noel Flasterstein, Gun Rights For You

Hour Two: Exposing the biggest, most corrupt corporation ever / Plus, Geeky Science - pigeons developing a biological GPS

Hour Three: Wisconsin lawmaker calls for IRS to investigate ALEC - Mark Pocan, WI State Rep (D-78th district)

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ObbieZ's picture
ObbieZ 2 years 19 weeks ago
#1

On "gun rights" vs. "water pistol rights" at the RNC:

The second amendment gives us the right to "bear arms." That's not limited to firearms.

If banning concealed guns violates the second amendment, doesn't banning sticks and crowbars also violate the second amendment? After all, sticks and stones and knives are "arms."

Obbie
La Crosse, WI

EugeneDem's picture
EugeneDem 2 years 19 weeks ago
#2

So the Occupy prostestors don't fit the profile of gun owners, but the RNC delegates need to carry guns to "protect" themselves from the Occupy protestors, hmm.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 2 years 19 weeks ago
#3

Isn't it ironic that the people who want to change our government, or at least hold it accountable to the constitution, are not the ones desiring guns, but the ones who want to maintain the status quo cling to gun toting... all the while claiming its in case they need to change the government.

My understanding of the 2nd admendment was that it was designed to maintain a well regulated state militias in lieu of the Federal Government having a standing army. Don't forget at the time the admendment was written police departments didn't exist, the only law was generally a Sheriff and a few deputies. So now we not only have a large standing army, we also have pseudo militiarized organizations called police departments, we don't have well regulated militias just fringe group militias that live in a fantasy world that they'll take on the Federal Government some day.

Now I don't think the 2nd admendment needs to be deleted, but if you want to support it, then the first issue you should have is that our Federal Government dismantle the military.

N

Mikewill's picture
Mikewill 2 years 19 weeks ago
#4

In the discussion regarding guns there is an aspect that seems to be completely overlooked. Yes people argue about criminals having access to guns and "good people" having the right to own, carry and use guns. But, we are turning "good people" into killers by making it easy to buy, own and carry guns and by inacting laws that say "stand your ground" "shoot first its OK" etc.

Law abiding citizens without guns don't take chances or put themselves into dangerous situations. They avoid, back off or de escalate. Give the a gun and a law that says its OK to shoot someone who threatens you and you have created a potential killer.

Look at road rage for example. Lots of people lose their temper and drive recklessly, threaten, give the finger, etc. when driving. Just imagine if every driver carried a gun. You can bet there would be shootings on a daily basis.

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 2 years 19 weeks ago
#5

Pigeons with built-in GPS... sounds like Xenu technology to me Thom.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 2 years 19 weeks ago
#6

I can imagine how well an armed citizen insurrection would go in America. All these gun nuts that think they'll stand strong and take over the federal government would soon find themselves arrested, droned removed, or killed out right trying to form a rag tag group army against the well organized disciplined American military. The best they could hope for is to be guerrilla fighters and irritants to the Government. And what would the result of that be? Martial Law, checkpoints and all civil liberties cancelled. There isn't even a regional areas like the North and South to form up against each other like during the Civil War. Its pure foolishness, that would result in changing the American Government, but not in the way they believe it will.

If you want to change the system you have to replace it, not try to replace who leads it.

N

Maxrot's picture
Maxrot 2 years 19 weeks ago
#7

So where are the organizations and movement to make voting more accessible? Why isn't the Democratic party pushing for more community organizing if its known that the more people that vote the likelihood of them voting in Democrats in increases?

Seems like the DNC is dropping the ball on this by not encouraging its state organizations to improve and protect its voting machinations.

I think its time to make ALEC react to left instead of the left always reacting to ALEC.

N

antithesis's picture
antithesis 2 years 19 weeks ago
#8

Max.,

Very incitefull and right on the money! We should dismantle the military and become the well armed militia for defense society our Forefathers intended. We've got one gun per person already here,.. so training, co-operation and mature leadership is all that is lacking. It would work, we can do it and we eventually will if we intend to survive. Germany and Japan benefited from this dermilitarized arrangement forced upon them for loosing ww2. Personally, I don't like guns. I am frightened and confused by those who do. Unarmed, and living at the foot of one of the largest military bases in the states, you can imagine my anxiety. Brings me round to the story Thom did today about this J T lunatic psuedo-soldier. Thom said all the guns in the states are owned by 10 - 20 % of the populous..The others (occupiers) appearantly don't think violence is a solution to conflict and have the courage to trust thier fellow man or at least try. I see this Militaristic Identity Crisis as just that, a crisis. A disease crisis called Militarism. People who are obsessed with guns display the symtoms of compultion and addiction. They should be treated not worshipped. I am sure what J.T. really wanted was the same power, authority and glory given to our so called hero's, the military and police .. Can't be a government sanctioned militant, just put on a costume,grab a gun and Git er dun! J.T. psycopath, Zuckerberg, , these are extreme examples,.. SGT Bales, and many others atrocities are proof that militant addicts will not be denied satisfaction. If we can't find a way to bring sobriety to Those addicted to Militaristic power we are doomed! or at least a lot of us will die when the shit really starts hittin the fan. I too, thought the 2nd was intended to balance government power.. Makes sense,. if we don't develop an alternative plan to deal with Militarism we may not have any choice but to battle it out. Maybe I should buy a gun afterall... tnx

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