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Here is an interesting read from a guy that is new to the admin. He likes America for the reasons given and was in a good position to see how America can operate. I am proud to be from a country that offers so much.

http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2009/pr091201.html

For example, USAID helped lead the Green Revolution, which saved hundreds of millions of lives, by providing early funding, policy and technical support to countries seeking to reform their agriculture sectors. In the 1970s, the Agency helped develop and accelerate the effective use of Oral Rehydration Therapy - an intervention that has saved millions of lives. In the 1980s and 1990s, USAID investments in civil society, democracy and governance helped El Salvador turn away from a legacy of conflict and embark on a more effective and inclusive course of development. And more recently in West Africa, the Agency has worked to support Ghana's remarkable progress in poverty reduction, economic growth and democratic governance. Thanks to strong Ghanaian leadership and support from USAID, Ghana is now on a path to become a net food supplier to the region.
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In its first decade, the Alliance has supported nearly 250 million additional immunizations for children in low income countries, saved millions of lives and created a platform for the development and introduction of new vaccines - tomorrow's solutions for diseases including pneumonia, diarrhea and malaria. Today, global immunization rates in low-income countries are up to a record 79 percent, and USAID has been an important partner in this effort.
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Isn't' funny that the very people that decry government's intrusion into our lives are now happy that The Government can ask "Excuse where are your papers"...the irony is hilarious...

The voters of Arizona are the ones voting this law in. They feel the illegal immigration pressure everyday whereas you and I don't. I don't know what issues Austria has and I would defer to you before making assumptions. I can say WA state has had a recent influx like I've never seen, but nothing like AZ Texas, and California. I don't see anyone "happy" about any of this. Desparate, maybe.

This was not a ballet measure of any kind.

This came out of the state legislature and was written by some very extreme right wingers.

From outside the state.

The voting majority of Arizona is conservative but there are plenty that disagree with this travesty.

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70% agree with it. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/arizona/70_of_arizona_voters_favor_new_state_measure_cracking_down_on_illegal_immigration

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Quote desert fox:[...]

I live in Arizona and I am ashamed of the recent actions in the Republican controlled House and Senate.

I am of European descent and therefore would not likely be subjected to the police stops that are expected to come but I am incensed that by law I can be required to bring identification papers showing that I am an American Citizen. I REFUSE to carry that identification. If I am stopped (minuscule chance) I will refuse to show more than my drivers license and vehicles registration and insurance period.

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I understand there are 500,000+ illegal aliens living in Arizona and that it's causing serious economic and quality-of-life problems. If this is true, and if the federal government has no demonstrated intention of enforcing the federal immigration laws, I don't understand your resentment of Arizona's effort to solve its own problem. What is it you find so oppressive about being asked to show proof of citizenship?

If you drive a car you must occasionally produce your license and insurance card. If you carry a gun you must produce your permit on demand (in most places), if you wish to take some books home from a library you must show your library card, and on and on. So now that the illegal migrant situation has reached a critical level, being asked to identify yourself doesn't seem unreasonable to me. There is a perfectly good reason for it.

So rather than expecting a virtual pogrom to emerge from this effort why not wait to see what develops from it.

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So once Arizona eradicates all the illegal immigrants (and possibly several thousand legal people as well) and its economy is still in the toilet, who can it blame next?

I have read about massive boycotts of Arizona, and considering tourism is a primary form of revenue, this ironically will probably hurt the economy more than it will help.

I guess it will just become another breeding ground for the far right, neo nutters to base themselves. Perhaps they can set up training camps without fear of the dreaded minorities.

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Italy has a different strategy to handle illegal immigration.

Bulldozers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-06-09-Rome_N.htm

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Where are they going to put all those detained? Concentration camps were supposed to be a rumour. You don't need to carry an ID if you have your number and race tatooed, but photo tatoos are not advanced enough yet.

The justice department firings a few years ago were because they would not prosecute people that hadn't committed a crime. Accusations were enough in days of old, yes they burned them, too, and it was women accused by men, but justice served. Swift, too...none of this namby pamby trial stuff.

If you can't afford a car, you shouldn't have a right to vote, mass transit is socialist, so anyone taking it is dangerous.

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Bufffalo, you continue to insult Black political leaders without reserve or real evidence. White people, as opposed to conscious European Americans, need to keep a demonized image of Sharpton, Rangel, Jackson as well as Farrakhan. You would have been amazed at the high level of moral concern and respect for others Farrakhan communicated in a recent meeting on CSpan.

You do not hold the same standard out for White politicians who keep on embarassing us European Americans with their racist ignorance. A lot of people think we are White too.

As examples of racist, violent and hateful political rhetoric, if you have to go back more than two decades for material, you might be a racist. At the very least, stop bearing false witness against others. It makes you look dumber than just being a conservative.

As to this bs law, I can see the illegal document business getting a big stimulus. Phony birth certificates ought to be a piece of cake because the forms are so varied and the administration of the files has been so inconsistent. I carry my auto registration in my car, but I keep the title safe at home. I suppose we can all copy our papers like I do when I travel.

On the other hand, "show me your papers" is not the phrase I associate with "the land of the free." But I sure do associate it with the Empire and its phony freedom.

Let's get over the idea that critics of America do not love America. I think those who use America to line their pockets and wipe their shoes on the rest of us do not love America as much as they love themselves. I think those of us who think the America of the Pledge has been lost to greed and empire do not love the empire or the greed. We have serious questions about the adequacy of the Constitution and oppose the Wall St. economy. We like the Main St. economy when it does not copy Wall St.

We are also not the ones dividing America into Real and unreal Americans. I think there are some people who are disqualifying themselves from our future by declaring us out of their America. They can go to hell, and I will pitch in for the tickets. If they want to stay, they just have to agree to live in civil equality with the rest of us.

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Where are they going to put all those detained? Concentration camps were supposed to be a rumour

I would like to see all of the 12-18 million illegal aliens from Mexico housed in 'Training Camps' along the Mexican border and when these ex-mex-patriots are all trained up...retake their country from the corrupt Mexican Government and Drug Cartels. Invade Mexico with their own people from these true 'racists'...now wouldn't that be sweet revenge?

I'm sure all of these ex-mex-patriots would jump at the chance to retake their country, don't you?

VIVA LA MEXICO!

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If you drive a car you must occasionally produce your license and insurance card. If you carry a gun you must produce your permit on demand (in most places), if you wish to take some books home from a library you must show your library card, and on and on. So now that the illegal migrant situation has reached a critical level, being asked to identify yourself doesn't seem unreasonable to me. There is a perfectly good reason for it.

The difference is in those situations you are exercising a privilege - driving, getting a book from the taxpayer supported library, or carrying a loaded weapon. You can avoid the need to show ID by avoiding those activities. There is NOTHING a person can do to avoid being asked for his citizenship papers.

Just imagine your own reaction if while walking your dog at night you're stopped and asked for your papers. And when you can't produce them, your person searched and then being escorted home to either find your citizenship documents or off to jail?

And of course there is always a "good reason" to destroy our civil liberties. But why have a protection against warrantless search if the cops search only when they have "good reason" and avoid searches when they don't? Of course, the reason we are protected against warrantless searches is police have thoughout all of recorded history ABUSED those search powers and used them when there was not "good reason." There is a 100% certainty that the police will abuse the requirement to have citizens prove their status. The only question is whether ANY benefit is worth the inevitable abuse.

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I'm sure everyone will now willingly carry a passport and birth certificate with no complaints....I guess a lot of folks from Arizona will have to actually get a passport....

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Bufffalo, you continue to insult Black political leaders without reserve or real evidence. White people, as opposed to conscious European Americans, need to keep a demonized image of Sharpton, Rangel, Jackson as well as Farrakhan. .


Congressional Black Cuacus
United Nergo Fund
NAACP
National Black Farmers Association

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I'm sure everyone will now willingly carry a passport and birth certificate with no complaints....I guess a lot of folks from Arizona will have to actually get a passport....

I'm headed to Mexico in June and have my passport. I don't think they'll let me in without it. If I snuck in, I'd risk being looked at as a minority and questioned about my status.

If I lived in Mexico, I'd damn sure have documents ready if needed to prove I'm there legally. Otherwise, I might end up in jail.

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I will have a passport for my two weeks in Europe too. It has nothing to do with the illegal employer problem. I am not sure what my birth certificate looks like because I have not had to produce it for a long time. Why it matters now is hard to fathom. This is about the least administered piece of paper around. Which makes it a great red herring.

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Quote DRC:

I will have a passport for my two weeks in Europe too. It has nothing to do with the illegal employer problem. I am not sure what my birth certificate looks like because I have not had to produce it for a long time. Why it matters now is hard to fathom. This is about the least administered piece of paper around. Which makes it a great red herring.

If the European authorities stopped you and asked for your I.D., would you be so offended that you'd start a riot? Maybe refusing to show them would be an option. There must be a Euro version of Al Sharpton out there somewhere!

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Good Bye Progressive Seditionist Dirt Bags....

DugFmJamul has been banned again.....

CHEERS

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

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"Conservative estimates are that US/CIA elites are responsible for saving 100 million lives around the world in the last 50 years.

God damn right I'm proud." slab

Based on your many comments, I can see how one such as yourself could be proud to be an American.

The CIA has:

  • Corrupted democratic elections in Greece, Italy and dozens of other nations;
  • Been involved to varying degrees in at least 35 assassination plots against foreign heads of state or prominent political leaders. Successful assassinations include democratically elected leaders like Salvador Allende (Chile) and Patrice Lumumba (Belgian Congo); also CIA-created dictators like Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) and Ngo Dinh Diem (South Vietnam); and popular political leaders like Che Guevara. Unsuccessful attempts range from Fidel Castro to Charles De Gaulle.
  • Helped launch military coups that toppled democratic governments, replacing them with brutal dictatorships or juntas. The list of overthrown democratic leaders includes Mossadegh (Iran, 1953), Arbenz (Guatemala, 1954), Velasco and Arosemena (Ecuador, 1961, 1963), Bosch (Dominican Republic, 1963), Goulart (Brazil, 1964), Sukarno (Indonesia, 1965), Papandreou (Greece, 1965-67), Allende (Chile, 1973), and dozens of others.
  • Undermined the governments of Australia, Guyana, Cambodia, Jamaica and more;
  • Supported murderous dictators like General Pinochet (Chile), the Shah of Iran, Ferdinand Marcos (Phillipines), "Papa Doc" and "Baby Doc" Duvalier (Haiti), General Noriega (Panama), Mobutu Sese Seko (Ziare), the "reign of the colonels" (Greece), and more;
  • Created, trained and supported death squads and secret police forces that tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians, leftists and political opponents, in Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Haiti, Bolivia, Cuba, Mexico, Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Iran, Turkey, Angola and others;
  • Helped run the "School of the Americas" at Fort Benning, Georgia, which trains Latin American military officers how to overthrow democratic governments. Subjects include the use of torture, interrogation and murder;
  • Used Michigan State "professors" to train Diem’s secret police in torture;
  • Conducted economic sabotage, including ruining crops, disrupting industry, sinking ships and creating food shortages;
  • Paved the way for the massacre of 200,000 in East Timor, 500,000 in Indonesia and one to two million in Cambodia;
  • Launched secret or illegal military actions or wars in Nicaragua, Angola, Cuba, Laos and Indochina;
  • Planted false stories in the local media;
  • Framed political opponents for crimes, atrocities, political statements and embarrassments that they did not commit;
  • Spied on thousands of American citizens, in defiance of Congressional law;
  • Smuggled Nazi war criminals and weapon scientists into the U.S., unpunished, for their use in the Cold War;
  • Created organizations like the World Anti-Communist League, which became filled with ex-Nazis, Nazi sympathizers, Italian terrorists, Japanese fascists, racist Afrikaaners, Latin American death squad leaders, CIA agents and other extreme right-wing militants;
  • Conducted Operation MK-ULTRA, a mind-control experiment that gave LSD and other drugs to Americans against their will or without their knowledge, causing some to commit suicide;
  • Penetrated and disrupted student antiwar organizations;
  • Kept friendly and extensive working relations with the Mafia;
  • Actively traded in drugs around the world since the 1950s to fund its operations. The Contra/crack scandal is only the tip of the iceberg –- other notorious examples include Southeast Asia’s Golden Triangle and Noreiga’s Panama.
  • Had their fingerprints all over the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Malcom X. Even if the CIA is not responsible for these killings, the sheer amount of CIA involvement in these cases demands answers;
  • And then routinely lied to Congress about all of the above.

The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (4) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."

This is just the short list.

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How about Republicans stop voting against funding for border agents and border protection?

Republicans talk a good game about crime and illegal immigration but when it comes to actually voting for hardcore solution based legislation they never ever do anything. Why? Because that would mean spending money. Something that is only okay when consumers are doing it to put in the pockets of people. Maybe we could turn over our border security to a private company.

I can hardly wait for the lawsuits from people against the police department in Az. for not enforcing the law strictly enough. I love that clause.

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Quote RITTERBY:[...]

The drivers license alone will not verify your "citizenship". Tell me one instance that when asked to prove your citizenship.

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That depends on which state's driver license. New Jersey has adopted a stringent policy which requires proof of citizenship to obtain or renew an ordinary driver license. Licenses issued to non-citizens are clearly marked "NON CITIZEN."

The NJ DMV has a "six point" requirement, which assigns points to the various forms of ID documents. I've forgotten which documents receive what amount of points but a minimum of six points is required to secure the license. I had to produce my birth certificate, Social Security card, Medicare card and DD-214, so it is rather stringent and foolproof.

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Quote MikeK:
Quote RITTERBY:[...]

The drivers license alone will not verify your "citizenship". Tell me one instance that when asked to prove your citizenship.

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That depends on which state's driver license. New Jersey has adopted a stringent policy which requires proof of citizenship to obtain or renew an ordinary driver license. Licenses issued to non-citizens are clearly marked "NON CITIZEN."

The NJ DMV has a "six point" requirement, which assigns points to the various forms of ID documents. I've forgotten which documents receive what amount of points but a minimum of six points is required to secure the license. I had to produce my birth certificate, Social Security card, Medicare card and DD-214, so it is rather stringent and foolproof.

So at least we know nobody in NJ has a fake id....

Passport is the best and tightest and obviously not completely foolproof but as foolproof as you can get.

Austria and Germany actually have a proof of citizenship form, because they don't have native birth citizenship. Maybe conservatives would like a more european style government. You see?

The other thing this doesn't help is that not all States have the same requirements for getting a license so how can you accept the driver's license as a form of citizenship proof?

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I'm a bit confused that someone residing illegally in the US can actually obtain a state driving license?

You aren't legally supposed to be here, but we will provide with the means to legally drive here, in case you decide to stay.

Boy, the US really does have some very screwed up laws.

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I'm a bit confused that someone residing illegally in the US can actually obtain a state driving license?

You aren't legally supposed to be here, but we will provide with the means to legally drive here, in case you decide to stay.

Boy, the US really does have some very screwed up laws.

The argument to allow cites that it will improve road safety and reduce the number of uninsured drivers (you need a license to get insurance). It was sort of a, well, we might as well make sure they can drive and get them insured, since they're going to be on the roads regardless.

But after 9/11, new federal regulations were passed that will require proof of legal residency for a license in all States. States have until 2012 to change their systems and implement the new rules.

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/illegalimmigrant-driverslicense.html

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So if you are an illegal immigrant and you get pulled over for speeding, all you get is a speeding ticket as long as you hold a driving license, even if it clearly states NON CITIZEN on the license?

Boy, no wonder people stay illegally in the States, there seems to be little downside to it. I mean why have states made it so easy to begin with?

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I live on the Texas-Mexican border. My wife is Canadian. We have 'check point stations' situated on every road coming out of Mexico about 25 to 50 miles from the border (some have recently been rebuilt from, basically, modified mobile homes to brand new stately and 'official-looking' buildings). When we drive through the check point, we are always asked our citizenship--and my wife is required to show her 'green card' indicating her 'legal immigration status'. That 'green card' cost us about $1500 in lawyer's fees and another few hundred dollars in medical fees for my wife to undergo medical testing--including HIV. Checking for 'legal status' happens all the time. My wife's kinda ticked off if some get to stay 'legally' without having to go through the hoops she did....

Where Arizona seems to have a contention is the idea that the police will 'spot check legal status' when they 'have probable cause'--the problem is what constitutes 'probable cause'? Is it 'probable cause' that they don't speak English (actually, in this area, many legal immigrants don't speak English)? Is it 'probable cause' that they are loitering around a Home Depot store looking for work (this has apparently already been affected by Arizona's new law)? Is it 'probable cause' that they are dark-skinned (actually, many light-skinned Hispanics live on the Texas-Mexican border--and they tell me that their 'citizenship' is seldom challenged even at the check point stations and ports of entry--while they may have a darker-skinned relative with them that always gets challenged--and that's with many of the law enforcers being Hispanic...)?

Just some thoughts.....

By the way, the ports of entry now require passports to come back--I think it used to be just a driver's license, then it was a driver's license with a birth certificate (I carry a laminated small version of my birth certificate now)--and, now, over the past couple of years or so, it's a passport....

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It is interesting to think that there are only a few countries in the world that have a large populace carrying weapons everywhere they go. Normally, you would expect to see this curiosity in Middle Eastern or African nations that are mostly lawless. Strange dynamic going on here in the US lately...

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Quote meljomur:

I'm a bit confused that someone residing illegally in the US can actually obtain a state driving license?

You aren't legally supposed to be here, but we will provide with the means to legally drive here, in case you decide to stay.

Boy, the US really does have some very screwed up laws.

It's possible to be here temporarily, student visa, etc., and be entitled to drive while you're here. There also are diplomatic staff members who reside in New Jersey. My guess is there are a lot of legally present non-citizens driving cars (and trucks) in the U.S.

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Quote meljomur:

I'm a bit confused that someone residing illegally in the US can actually obtain a state driving license?

You aren't legally supposed to be here, but we will provide with the means to legally drive here, in case you decide to stay.

Boy, the US really does have some very screwed up laws.

It's possible to be here temporarily, student visa, etc., and be entitled to drive while you're here. There also are diplomatic staff members who reside in New Jersey. My guess is there are a lot of legally present non-citizens driving cars (and trucks) in the U.S.

Personally I have resided in about half a dozen different countries in my adult life, and if I was ever in ANY of them illegally (for example over staying my visa), there is NO way in the world I would be able to obtain a driving license or similar form of id in any of these places. In fact in many of these countries, I am pretty sure I couldn't even get a license with just a temporary visa.

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Granted, Oregon did finally Fix the problem. Because they were forced to. But the Governor did give illegals a 6 month warning which caused a near stampede at Oregon DMV's
Oregon is the only state on the West Coast that openly acknowledges that it issues driver licenses to illegal aliens. In addition, Oregon is one of only five states that do not verify the Social Security numbers of driver license applicants. The result is that Oregon has become a magnet for ID fraud, the methamphetamine trade and illegal immigration.

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Quote danieladamsmith:[...]

So at least we know nobody in NJ has a fake id....

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Presuming that to be a sarcastic observation; while there is no absolutely certain means of preventing the counterfeiting of any sort of document, including currency, the new NJ license has a photograph and a hologram. So while it is possible to possess the necessary equipment and expertise needed to produce counterfeit licenses it certainly is not cheap, easy, or a good idea. Because the first time someone presents a fake during a traffic stop, and the cop does a radio run on it, whoever is making and selling the fakes will soon be hosting some very rude visitors.

So the potential for producing fake NJ licenses is about equal to that of producing fake passports. But I'm guessing that using a fake passport for ID is safer because there are no instant radio run verifications on passports.

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wrote 3 min 39 sec agoGranted, Oregon did finally

Oregon is the only state on the West Coast that openly acknowledges that it issues driver licenses to illegal aliens. In addition, Oregon is one of only five states that do not verify the Social Security numbers of driver license applicants. The result is that Oregon has become a magnet for ID fraud, the methamphetamine trade and illegal immigration.
I think you're going to have to support that a little better. Oregon is #6 in meth usage behind five states which, as far as I know, do not issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Oregon is #8 in identity theft complaints behind 7 other states which, as far as I know, do not issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

Oregon is #14 in estimated illegal immigrants behind 13 other states that, as far as I know, do not issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

Correlation is not causation.

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Quote Art:: ]I think you're going to have to support that a little better.

Support what.
Oregon openly acknowledges it gave illegals ID
or
Oregon was 1 0f 5 states that didn't verify SSN

Your stats are meaningless to the point of the article.

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Quote MikeK:
Quote meljomur:

I'm a bit confused that someone residing illegally in the US can actually obtain a state driving license?

You aren't legally supposed to be here, but we will provide with the means to legally drive here, in case you decide to stay.

Boy, the US really does have some very screwed up laws.

It's possible to be here temporarily, student visa, etc., and be entitled to drive while you're here. There also are diplomatic staff members who reside in New Jersey. My guess is there are a lot of legally present non-citizens driving cars (and trucks) in the U.S.

Personally I have resided in about half a dozen different countries in my adult life, and if I was ever in ANY of them illegally (for example over staying my visa), there is NO way in the world I would be able to obtain a driving license or similar form of id in any of these places. In fact in many of these countries, I am pretty sure I couldn't even get a license with just a temporary visa.

So a visitor would just drive with the original country of orgin DL? perhaps provide a translated version for the country they are in. They let me drive in a USA DL in mexico.

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Old story, but to point

Feds Uncover Driver’s License Fraud Operation

Thousands of illegal immigrants have crossed into Oregon to fraudulently obtain driver’s licenses, key documents for gaining credit cards, opening bank accounts and boarding airplanes, federal authorities investigating the sophisticated scheme say.

They say the operation, which was halted in 2003, is the biggest fraud and immigration case of its kind in Oregon.

“Thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of people that should not be getting driver’s licenses are,” said Michael Williams, a special agent with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and a lead investigator on the case. “It’s mind-boggling. When all the details of the case come out eventually, it will boggle people’s minds that this went on.”

Three factors led to the operation’s success in Oregon: The state issues licenses based on residency, not immigration status. Oregon is one of 21 states that will license illegal immigrants. Until this year, DMV accepted personal mail such as letters as proof of residency at a specific Oregon address. DMV officials didn’t enforce the agency’s rules, allowing private companies to conduct tests without requiring customers to prove they lived in Oregon.
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Quote meljomur:

So if you are an illegal immigrant and you get pulled over for speeding, all you get is a speeding ticket as long as you hold a driving license, even if it clearly states NON CITIZEN on the license?

Boy, no wonder people stay illegally in the States, there seems to be little downside to it. I mean why have states made it so easy to begin with?

Its relativily easy because the coprate intrests prefer a pool of cheap labor. If the government were serious, they would crack down on the illegal employers, its cheaper and provides a natural bottle neck for law enforcement. we use now is an expensive and ineffective cat and mouse game. the true solution is to end our Monroe Doctrine mentality and support Mexico in liberating itself form being behioldent to abusive big business, something that is unpopular in the usa.......That will never happen and illegal immigration will not end.

we can stop dumping our subsudized corn on the mexican market, stop subsudizing our corn, or allow mexico to tax our corn to equate to their corn.

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Quote Alpharius:Oregon is the only state on the West Coast that openly acknowledges that it issues driver licenses to illegal aliens. In addition, Oregon is one of only five states that do not verify the Social Security numbers of driver license applicants. The result is that Oregon has become a magnet for ID fraud, the methamphetamine trade and illegal immigration. . . .Support what.

Oregon openly acknowledges it gave illegals ID
or
Oregon was 1 0f 5 states that didn't verify SSN

Your stats are meaningless to the point of the article.

The part you're going to have to support a little better is
The result is
That is why I ended my comment with
correlation is not causation
My statistics are directly relevant to the point that you appear to be trying to make. I was unable to find any reference in your link that tells us what the other four states are. If they are the same states that share the top spots with Oregon, then you may have a case. Otherwise . . .

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Arizona is a diversion from finance reform, why NOW!

Look like card play.

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Arizona is a diversion from finance reform, why NOW!

Look like card play.

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danielsrad
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Hi, - Just came across an interesting article regarding the Arizona law about folks needing to carry papers - and originators of the law.

According to an article in the Summer 2010 Southern Poverty Law Center news report - 'SPLC exposes racist origins of new Arizona Law' (pg 1 & 5) - "The anti-immigrant law was written by a lawyer affiliated with the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which the SPLC has listed as an anti-immigrant hate group since 2007..."

This article is well worth reading - being informed about - since it also says on pg. 5 that "The principal sponsor of the Arizona law was state Sen. Russel Pearce, a man who in 2006 emailed an article to his supporters from the neo-Nazi National Alliance."

There's so much going on in this world today. The SPLC has for years supported folks in civil rights issues across this nation.

Thanks.

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