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I thought this was a thread where we were supposed to say whether we were going to a tea party or not, and why, not to slam people for their explanations.

You know what? I just might go (and maybe I'll even behave...). I'll let you know what I saw there, and I somewhat expect to be able to physically count the turnout.

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You're not going to believe this... they won't even say where the tea party that was supposed to start half an hour ago is happening!!!

(as of 5:38 pm EDST)

Think I'm kidding? Check it out:

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grand-rapids-mi/TCIQQRM4Q9L25VJG3#comments

The local GOP site was no help, either.


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Its at the Gerald R Ford Museum Drew013

edit: at least the West MI Tea Party group is-- we don'thave much to do with the Kent County GOP- they aren't exactly welcomed with open arms.

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I did not attend a tea party. I probably won't. I don't want to waste the fuel to get there and I know so many people with those sentiments that I'd rather not waste my time trying to talk sense into their plugged ears.

HOWEVER, If I did attend one, my sign would read:

ENDLESS WAR = ENDLESS DEBT

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I’m going to ask her to write a short story about her adventure and will have her post it.
I'll look forward to reading it. It would have to be a very awkward feeling , not knowing how to respond to a crowd of people who have been so thoroughly politically coached by the people at Faux News.

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If I knew nothing about a topic, I would feel awkward confronting someone about it too.

Better to run through the crowd doing the Howard Dean scream.

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I went to my very first tea party in Madison, WI. Quite interesting. The speakers sounded much meaner the the tea partiers. I had a great time strolling through crowd of about 3000 with a big smile on my face.The sign around my neck said. "I paid my taxes with a" and then a big smiley face icon. Much to my delight I was called out as an infiltrator. I just raised my hand and smiled. I highly recommend the experience . It did my heart good to just a tweek the tea partiers a little.

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and the "lies" are.....what?
I got this off of another message board:
How many do you want?

From the non-partisan Media Watchdog group Media Matters:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009021…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009021…
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/20090914001…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009072…
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/20090814003…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009020…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009082…

Pretty good answer, huh?

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Quote Art:
and the "lies" are.....what?
I got this off of another message board:
How many do you want?

From the non-partisan Media Watchdog group Media Matters:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2009021…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009021…
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/20090914001…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009072…
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/20090814003…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009020…
http://mediamatters.org/research/2009082…

Pretty good answer, huh?

No. Pretty weak actually.

The claim was "lies" being told at the Tea Party rallies. You posted a few Glen Beck quotes from last year.

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I wanted to go to a Tea Party Express event but alas I did not hear they were in my town at a public park till the evening news that day.

My Sign woulld have been.

KEEP THE EXPRESS BUS ROLLING.

DON'T SUPPORT TAXATION.

BOYCOTT SOCIALIST ROADS, HIGHWAYS & PARKS

I wanted to see if the irony was apparent to anyone there.

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Quote Slabmaster:The claim was "lies" being told at the Tea Party rallies.

No it wasn't. Here is the full context.

edibleadam wrote: the people

edibleadam wrote:

the people are being spoon fed lies and dangerous exaggerations by Glen Beck and the like.

and the "lies" are.....what?

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Quote Pflast:

I went to my very first tea party in Madison, WI. Quite interesting. The speakers sounded much meaner the the tea partiers. I had a great time strolling through crowd of about 3000 with a big smile on my face.The sign around my neck said. "I paid my taxes with a" and then a big smiley face icon. Much to my delight I was called out as an infiltrator. I just raised my hand and smiled. I highly recommend the experience . It did my heart good to just a tweek the tea partiers a little.

This is perfect. Unconfrontational sign that speaks LOUDLY. Then to have been singled out an "INFILTRATOR". Priceless. How many of the 3000 would you say clearly showed distaste in your protest? You little socialist you...LOL

Next time You have the chance to rock your sign and they call you out on it. Take the time to have a little fun with it. There is always time for dancing.

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2 Signs to carry at tea party -

1 -

It's 8 years of TAX CUTS for the rich
Do you know where YOUR JOB is?
(or economy, or money)

2- expansion of one thom read on the program

WE are the government -
Get rid of
Corporate PAYOFF$
to Congress!

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Were I to go, my sign would say on one side "Luke 20:20-26"

and on the other "Proverbs 11:29".

For those who don't care to google, the first one says "He said to them, "Then give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

and the second one says "He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart."

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My sign would say "SEPARATE BUSINESS AND STATE" on one side and "CORPORATE CULTURE TREATS PEOPLE LIKE THINGS AND THINGS LIKE PEOPLE" on the other side. I strongly believe that both progressives and Ron Paul conservatives would strongly agree with the first one. Progressives fear business takeover of government and Ron Paul conservatives fear government takeover of businesses. Neither side is conceding any principles in agreeing on this.

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Nope. Car needs a new battery. Have to arrange that. if I went, i'd carry a sign saying, "Pass the Sugar".

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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Quote louisehartmann:

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I DID go to the Tea Party protest in Lansing MI to counter protest their event! I held a sign that said "The other 95% of the country LOVES their tax break, Thanks Obama!". Then I asked if they would sign my petition to give up their Medicaid.

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Labor unions did not go to Manhattan cocktail parties to try and convince tyrants of their injustices. Nor did Martin Luther King Jr. go to KKK rallies in an attempt to enlighten those men of their bigotry and absurdities. Going to Tea Party events is not movement politics and it is not protesting; it is mere charade and pandering to the exploits of corporate interests and their propaganda machine. I will be saving my activist efforts in order to publicly celebrate May Day on May 1st, for the only commonality between a true progressive and the average tea partier is the fact that we both (theoretically) have 23 pairs of chromosomes.

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If I were to go, I would carry a sign that says "We Have Taken Leave Of Our Census" or "My Hoam Skool Teechur Can Beet Up Yore Teechurs Union Teechur" or maybe "I Home Church"

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The question brings to mind William F Buckley's opposition to the Yale Political Union's 1962 invitation to Gus Hall (Communist Party candidate for President). Look it up......

I I try, endlessly, to inform and educate my knee-jerk conservative co-workers, most of whom mainline Fox news. I've been fairly successful; not through rigid confrontation, but rather through humor and respectful dialogue. My goal is simple; if they can see the facts, THEY can make an informed decision. I have turned more towards reason than have turned on me. I always do my homework; credibility works. (Last week I even spent 9 minutes on the phone with my all-tme favorite white supremacist, Frazier Glenn Miller, using the phone number he left on his website! .........really brought down my batting average)

That said, let's have some fun! Candidates for Signhood are:

STOP THE HAY BAILOUTS AT MICHELLE BACHMANN'S FAMILY FARM !


THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES! :

YOU'RE WRAPPED IN CELLOPHANE SO I CAN CLEARLY SEE YOUR NUTS !

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF: WELCOME TO THE GELDED AGE !

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Quote stwo:

Its at the Gerald R Ford Museum Drew013

edit: at least the West MI Tea Party group is-- we don'thave much to do with the Kent County GOP- they aren't exactly welcomed with open arms.

Thanks for the info, Stwo. I had moved on to other things after leaving that post. I figured that you would probably already be there anyway, but it appears that either you missed the first hour (at least), or were using a laptop when you posted from the event. How was it?

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Hey Drew, I had a sick kid so did not go. Couple friends went and said attendance was very light - few hundred maybe. They said it was very laid back and boring.

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Did somebody forget to pay the Troll-Toll?

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I'm a bit late for this game, but I'll still participate :D

There was actually a "coffee party" scheduled to counter the teabaggers yesterday, and I considered standing with that crowd. Even if I'd decided to do so, other circumstances kinda made other plans for me.

Signs! If I ever decide to go to any of these things, I have ideas. Please, if you like these, STEAL THEM!

"We Pay Taxes Because FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!"

"Free Trade Is Treason"

"Say NO To Road Rage!"

I'll trip over others as time goes by. I hope *someone* enjoys these!

Wildcat

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Quote stwo:

Hey Drew, I had a sick kid so did not go. Couple friends went and said attendance was very light - few hundred maybe. They said it was very laid back and boring.

Hope your kid's OK, Stwo. Thanks for the heads-up.

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I attended the Santa Fe Tea Party demonstration, maybe 600 people we there at the Plaza. I carried a sign that said "Thank a TAXPAYER for your right to PROTEST in this PUBLIC PARK". The people on the ground were very polite and welcoming of opposing views, many took my picture, loved the sign and thanked me for being there. There were really no personally made "Tea Party" signs, all signs were pre-made by a sign crew and piled on a table being given to attendees. Handmade too, making it look like they were grassroots signs. Funny thing, later I watched other Tea Party reports on Fox News and the same exact signs were seen in other cities!

The crowd seemed well educated and virtually all white. But the rhetoric coming out of the official speakers was strictly Fox News party line propaganda. I confess I feel some angst that there are people who truly want systemic change and yet their Tea Party has been co-opted top-down by corporate interests who provide the signs, sound system and message. And they are the only ones who can speak.

I did get the strong feeling foom speaking with several attendees that others there were interested in in ideas like Corporate Personhood. But no such topic could ever be uttered through the microphone. Only Fox News propaganda may travel through that microphone.

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So, who wins the podcast?

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Photos I shot yesterday at the Tampa Tea Party:

http://tinyurl.com/TampaTeaParty

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NO TEA PARTY ~

If I DID go my sign would say:

Front: I Support Free Speech - Not Free Thinking

Back: I Watch Fox News

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Gnarly, your post explains a lot of the pseudo phenomena of this 'movement' , almost like the 'Blog' -Steve McQueen movie. [I actually thought of this and wrote it before I remembered blog is now contemporary. really, damn!

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I decided not to go because the event is not where you can talk and I am not into low intensity warfare with signs that are bound to be seen as put downs.

The account of our local gathering fits the pattern described. There is the old fear of Communism that fits the demographic of older, "better educated" and White. The education is the Gospel of John Birch, and it takes an ability to read to get more than the gloss of the oral tradition. To believe this nonsense, you really need lots of ideological reinforcement from people who are not stupid, just wrong.

How do I know they are wrong? By knowing something. That's how. It is not that difficult. Rage is not enough, but neither is the misguided rhetoric that misses Corporate and Wall St. to focus on "socialism" and government as the villain. I don't ridicule the poor fools who have been misled, but I can't take the ideas seriously even if I take their plight very seriously.

The uniting principle is that "their America" is the dying White Lie. What is being lost is the White brand for America. The older generation is not the younger, more inclusive and less homophobic future. It is the old guard of cultural nostalgia for the "normalcy" of White Christian America and their world is going away. I wish they understood what was happening, and I think they have reason to be pissed. But not the reasons they give.

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My sign is: "AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!"

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Quote Darin98401:

My sign is: "AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!"

AWESOME RETRO!!!

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Just FYI, an upcoming Tea Party was described in <a href="http://nbs.gmnews.com/news/2010-04-22/bulletin_board">the bulletin board of a local paper</a> as follows: "The grassroots effort is designed for Republicans who want to regain control of the Legislature." If I went, I was thinking of bringing a sign with a message in the true spirit of the original (1773) Tea Party: "END CORPORATE WELFARE AS WE KNOW IT".

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Hey Thom, just got back from Italy (stupid volcano), and catching up on your podcasts. My sign would read 'Tax cuts for the 5% who didn't get one from Obama!'

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