Monsanto develops Aluminum Resistant biotech seeds

From a testing company website:

Very little Al+++ in the soil solution is required to cause damage to most plants. Few, if any plants grown for commercial purposes in this country will tolerate more than 1.0 ppm of soluble Al+++, and most will have some problems at levels greater than 0.5 ppm.  

Aluminum is a common metal in soils.  It is a significant toxin in acid soils (or soils exposed to acid rain) causing stunted roots (no rootlets ergo poor plant health).  Good picture on that site as well.

Here are that site's general conclusions

-- When the soil pH is below 5.0, soluble Al is almost certainly a problem.

-- When the soil pH is between 5.0 and 5.5, soluble Al likely a small problem

-- When the soil pH is between 5.5 and 6.0, soluble Al is not likely to be a significant problem

-- When the soil pH is above 6.0, soluble Al is almost certainly not a problem.

-- Lime is the solution to excess soluble Al in the topsoil

-- Gypsum may be needed to correct excess soluble Al in the subsoil

Hope that's helpful - I learned something so... thanks!   The genetic modification to withstand Aluminum is probably done to keep an acid tolerant plant from surviving the low pH but stunting from Al+++ poisoning.

Won't adding gypsum liberate toxic H2S as gas?

For any coincidence theorists out there, here is the patent for the aluminum aerial spraying...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4296843/US-Patent-5003186-Stratospheric-welsba...

All in the name of the global warming, global cooling,climate change ,global climate disruption or whatever they call it now fraud.

I followed this case for two years. This is backed up with facts. Bill HR 875  was introduced by Rosa DeLauro whose husband Stanley Greenburg works for Monsanto, the worlds largest herbicide company.  Since 2004 tests were conducted on high levels of aluminum in the soil.  Here is a lab report.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/soiltest.html

Many different lab tests resulted in  high levels of unatural aluminum oxide and barium which are direct results from the chemtrails. My conclusion is that the levels are not natural but man made. Some agency is purposely putting this in the air.

Chem trails? Wasn't that just debunked as one of the greatest lies of our generation next to death panels? Aren't Chem trails a right wing conspiracy theory claiming government is trying to "mind control us"? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a tin foil hat thing.

Condensation can form at any altitude. The US, Canadian, and British governments and scientists.. around the world, have denied the theory, including the one that it is aluminum particles.

I'd be more likely to believe there is aluminum in chemical fertilizers/herbicides/pesticides that build up in the soil (or round up bleaches everything else in the soil except aluminum) and Monsanto wants aluminum resistant plants so farmers can keep using Monsanto round-up on Monsanto corn.

Brought to you buy or globalist friends at Council of Foreign Relations: Geoengineering.

http://www.cfr.org/project/1364/geoengineering.html

Honestly I think that documentary is somewhat ridiculous. I live in the mid west and I haven't seen a single jet fly over since I've lived here. Not a passenger plane, not a jet air plane.. just helicopters. Why would they not spray the bread basket of American agriculture if they are trying to control us via the food supply?

Monsanto can control us via the food supply anyway as it is, they already are. 99% of corn in the mid west is Monsanto corn that has terminator seeds.. the plants are sterile. To grow more corn that is round up ready you need to buy more seed from Monsanto. If you cross their seed with a normal seed and grow it you are sued for everything you own for patent infringement. That's how they make their money (selling seed supply and controlling the seed supply). They already control it! Why bother with another method?

I'm not totally discrediting the film, maybe Monsanto does have enough power to lobby the government to spray aluminum with jets, but the documentary short doesn't have a single scientist or even a politician or corporate whistle blower. I mean some news guys talking about chem trails and a 10 year old girl saying she did a science project.. that's a joke. Get an actual scientific study done on it using the scientific method and have it peer reviewed or by a 3rd party. If it's that serious. There are plenty of scientists out there who are out of work (I have 1 personally in my family) who don't care about their reputations in the corporate community who would be perfectly willing to get paid to preform actual tests.

The link that choco posted was much more convincing. The question I have is are these practices already underway. It is a workshop, not an actual government plan of action/work order. I guess I'm looking for the smoking gun because it's too hard for me to believe.. under the explanation that it is being done to purposely destroy us. I think global warming is out of hand and they are getting desperate...

However that is just bullsh-it, the real reason is that the aluminum gets into the environment and it is weaking the plants and in 2-4 years if we want food we will have to buy GMO seeds that are . . . . (of course) aluminum resistant. The data and evidence is all there, from the plants getting sick/weaker, to the monsanto aluminum resistant biotech seeds. Aluminum Foil

All I'm saying is someone creditable should prove it. Shouldn't be that hard if what you guys are saying is true. Seems like something that easy to test (if a 10 year old can do it for a science project according to that film) then it would have been blown wide open years ago! Those dots just don't line up for me without some serious evidence.

Give me a field study from the agriculture dept of a university or something.. anything. Seems like the idea is just being thrown around. I'm not trying to discredit global warming by the way.. hundreds of scientists have done thousands of studies on it... seems like those same scientists would have done a field study a 10 year old could do with a $100 setup, as long as they were doing ultra cost intensive atmospheric analysis and spending millions to do 400ft core samples of the arctic etc.. that deadly levels of aluminum would have sneaked their way into their analysis somehow... eh?

I did some more research on this, and here's my conclusion. All soils contain aluminum and always have. If soil is high in acid it dissolves the aluminum so it can drop to root balls and kill plants (like if you put pasta in the freezer in a steel pan w/ an aluminum cover the tomato juice dissolves the aluminum foil into the food after a few days). Plants tolerant to aluminum can grow in acidic soils with naturally occurring aluminum. Monsanto wants to hit this niche market.

And as I had originally theorized with only moderate knowledge of soil composition and chemical composition is modern farming methods essentially dissolves aluminum into the soil and concentrates it. And they want factory farmers to continue using their chemicals etc. to farm because they're making a fortune on them.

Government airplanes spraying aluminum to kill plants so Monsanto can completely control the food supply is in the land of tin foil hats. I couldn't find a single scientist who even entertained the idea. What Monsanto is doing is abhorrent, but government has nothing to do with it. In the end government is probably the only thing between us and Monsanto that prevents them from actually doing something like destroying seed banks of ancient non-gmo plant varieties.

to Mackuck: I live in SC. Yesterday the skies were clear, only a few jets with normal contrails in the sky. Today there were chemtrails all over the sky. You can go on government webites and the government says they are "researching" with aerosols to affect the climate (supposedly to stop global warming, which I believe is a hoax). They say they are spraying aerosols to reflect the suns light back into space. Here is one link: http://www.atmos.anl.gov/ACP/. Everyone needs to wake up and see what is going on around them – look at the big picture of what is going on in the world. It doesn't make sense by itself, but if you connect the dots with everything else that is going on, it does make sense. Seems to me if this was to stop global warming they would have to do it every day and on a larger scale. They would have to cover more of the sky with these "chemical clouds". It makes sense, however, that if they just want to add chemicals/minerals to the air/earth they don't have to do it every day. They could spread out the areas where they spray, because the chemicals/minerals would spread out and cover large areas.

To answer your question on why Monsanto (and the government) would want to control the food market even further, what I believe is that they want to make people totally dependent on grocery stores for food, so that noone has the ability to grow their own food and noone has the ability to be self-sufficient. I believe this is all part of world control of the population, and it is also part of a depopulation plan. I believe in biblical prophecy, and I do believe this is only part of the bigger picture that is fitting together, leading to world government and the antichrist, and to a time when no man can buy or sell without the mark (mark of the beast). I don't have proof in hand yet to show elevated levels of aluminum, barium, etc. in this area, but I sure am going to try to find out. It really would not surprise me at all if our government was doing this to us with diabolical intentions. Look at the things it has done in the past, and look at what governments all over the world have done to their own people. Believe me, I hope it all is untrue, but I doubt it.

I better put on my tin foil hat then, to block the government and Monsanto from reading my mind from outer space so they can tell the anti-Christ where to find me.

One day I go out and there are airplanes, and the next day there are more airplanes so logically they must be spraying me with poison! (sarcasm) Seriously though, if you don't know what causes condensation I suggest you research it, specifically as it relates to jet engines. On days where there is more moisture in the air, there will be more condensation from heat (from a jet engine perhaps?)

If they wanted to kill people, they would drop bombs(which they do, and openly admit to).

If they wanted to kill plants, they would spray round up(which they do, and openly admit to).

If they wanted to cause global warming, they would let companies keep polluting(which they do, and openly admit to).

If they wanted to control the food supply, they would do it through legislation(which they do, and openly admit to).

If they wanted to kill soil, they would drop salt(which they do not do).

They are admitting to doing all of the worst things imaginable already... and the chem trail is one of the oldest, most debunked, whacked out conspiracy theories in the history of American politics.

My wife, who was raised by Christian fundamentalists, says the people who believe in the doom and gloom of the end times as described in the bible are going to be the ones who bring it about, not God. They wont try and stop things they perceive as fulfilling the prophecies, and with their own policies and actions they are pushing towards apocalyptic events, all the while saying it's the will of God. And they will be sorely disappointed when they discover that their actions only destroyed society and didn't bring about the perfect kingdom of Christ.

Edit: I did go to your link by the way, which as far as I could see says absolutely nothing about current, past, future, or proposed spraying of aluminum to control food supply, or otherwise.

Quote from your link:
"The influence of aerosols on climate is not yet adequately taken into account in our computer predictions of climate," said Mian Chin, report coordinating lead author. "An improved representation of aerosols in climate models is essential to more accurately predict the climate changes."

Aerosols are suspended solid or liquid particles in the air that often are visible as dust, smoke and haze. Aerosols come from a variety of natural and human processes. On a global basis, the bulk of aerosols originate from natural sources, mainly sea salt, dust and wildfires. Human-produced aerosols arise primarily from a variety of combustion sources. They can be the dominant form of aerosol in and downwind of highly populated and industrialized regions, and in areas of intense agricultural burning.

Although Earth's atmosphere consists primarily of gases, aerosols and clouds play significant roles in shaping conditions at the surface and in the lower atmosphere. Aerosols typically range in diameter from a few nanometers to a few tens of micrometers. They exhibit a wide range of compositions and shapes, but aerosols between 0.05 and 10 micrometers in diameter dominate aerosols' direct interaction with sunlight. Aerosols also can produce changes in cloud properties and precipitation, which, in turn, affect climate.

Current predictions of how much Earth's average surface temperature will increase in the future fall in a wide range. If the amount of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases double from the levels in the atmosphere in 1990, the increase in temperature is expected to be from 2 to 4.5 degrees Celsius, according to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The role of greenhouse gases in global warming is fairly well established, but the extent to which the cooling effect of human-produced aerosols offsets the warming is still inadequately understood. The report states that scientists should strive to improve their understanding of aerosols' climate influences with the goal of cutting that range of uncertainty by nearly two-thirds.

The report states that to achieve the goal of reducing uncertainties in aerosol impacts on climate, an advanced, multi-disciplinary approach that integrates surface, aircraft, and space-based measurements with models will have to be developed. Scientists have made gains in modeling aerosol effects, but this capability has not yet been fully incorporated into climate simulations, according to the report.

As anyone with reading comprehension could plainly see, the Aerosols that they are talking about are from natural sources or green house gasses emitted by combustion(cars, industry etc), and they are measuring the impact of them on global warming. They go on to say they used airplanes to measure stratified Aerosols. Entirely believable since NASA scientists have also done multi-million dollar global warming research.

Just in case you don't know what Aerosol is:

What strikes me as the oddest about your entire argument is that you claim it is a government conspiracy, and then use a government website to "prove" the conspiracy. If they are advertising it on their web sites it's not a conspiracy. But as it stands, you are simply misunderstanding what Aerosol is. Also why would they want to stop global warming with aluminum but also control our food supply with the same process. How do those dots connect for you? Basically those are two different conspiracy theories, both equally preposterous, that you combined into a single event.

Also, my garden is doing fine, and I use all heritage seeds. I test my soil to see what plants will grow the best and my soil is normal, even though airplanes fly overhead with CONDENSATION trains. Lots of gardeners and farmers test their soil. There is a place in nearly every county where you can take soil in to have it tested for free as well. Universities all do this too. If there was something abnormal it wouldn't be a crazy conspiracy theory, it would be proven via the scientific method. Why don't you take some soil and go have it tested? It's not hard to do, they even let you watch. Or are they in on it too!?

One last quote from you link:
POLARCAT: Polar Study using Aircraft, Remote Sensing, Surface Measurements and Models, of Climate Chemistry, Aerosols and Transport
This project is proposed as a component of the upcoming International Polar Year (March 2007-2009). POLARCAT seeks to study several phenomena unique to the polar regions, including: the Arctic Haze, a recurring winter/spring phenomenon resulting from long-range transport of anthropogenic pollution mostly from Europe and western Asia; summertime pollution in the Arctic, originating from forest fires prevalent in the boreal region; and chemical phenomena unique to the Arctic troposphere. All of these phenomena are strongly influenced by the coupling of surface exchange processes, vertical transport, unique Arctic air chemistry, and import from and export to mid-latitude regions. POLARCAT will use a a series of experiments involving aircraft, surface stations and ships. Measurements will be made at different times of the year in order to follow pollution plumes of different origins as they are transported into the Arctic and observe the chemistry, aerosol processes, and radiation effects of these plumes. The experiments will also take advantage of the long residence times of pollutants in the stably stratified Arctic atmosphere to study ageing. Models of differing complexity will be used to test our understanding of Arctic processes against the measurement data sets.

Again, Aerosol measurements.. I really looked hard to even find a mention of aluminum, and found none. Nothing is mentioned about purposely spraying any Aerosol substance. Honestly I'm curious about where you got this idea from? Did you just hear some conspiracy theorist mention the idea of Aerosol spraying from airplanes and then went to a .gov website and saw the word Aerosol, "connected the dots" i.e. jumped to conclusions, and stopped your digging there?

What geonengineer? I saw the whole thing and didn't see any name attached to anything.

Wikipedia actually has some decent information on the subject, and ways that are actually employed to reflect light.

I hope Makuck went and did his or her research after all the posts on this page clearly showing total ignorance and/or paid trolling on the issue of chemtrails. Anyone who goes around spouting "tinfoil hat" lines on important progressive blogs is usually a provocatuer. For those of us who continue to research and report on geoengineering and "chemtrails" -- keep up the good work, people, and don't get too distracted by the trolls.

Peace

Yep, good research which points out that chemtrails are fantasy and geoengineering has so far fallen flat in all application.

I also thought to check on the geology of Mt Shasta, mentioned above.  The latest samples showed neglible, or absent levels of aluminum, and no barium at all.  

Ah, sarcasm. . . it usually rears it's ugly head when one has nothing valid left to say.

Right, Christian fundamentalists, who have very little power or sway in the political arena, will be the ones to bring about the "doom and gloom of the endtimes." [/sarcasm] Haven't you noticed the division of wealth and power in the United States and moreover the entire world? There are the "Haves" and the "Have nots." I can assure you that Christian fundamentalists (as well as ANY other religious group aside from the New Age Movement) are amongst the "have nots." It's quite absurd to contend that any group of people aside from the ruling class elite would have the means, motivation, power, wealth, or wherewithal to affect any significant change on this planet. However, it's quite likely that the "haves" HAVE every necessary tool to accomplish their goals. 

Let's open up our dictionaries, shall we? "Conspire - a.to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement. b. to act in harmony toward a common end" You need to understand what a conspiracy is before you go around using it as an insult. By definition, nearly EVERY EVENT that has ever occurred in the history of the world is a conspiracy. I'm guessing that web traffic to Monsanto's website, along with most government websites (aside from possibly whitehouse.gov) pails in comparison to the kind if traffic that Yahoo, Google, YouTube, Facebook, Hulu, Bing, Netflix, etc. receives. Are you then surprised that a small number of the public are aware of these things, although they are "advertising it on their web sites"? I'm guessing monsanto.co.uk is not next on most people's to-do list, right after checking their Facebook page. What a weak argument. . .

This is easily the most childish question you could have asked, and proves how simple-minded and convoluted your arguments are. You're utilizing "Global Warming" as a given, when in fact the notion of anthropogenic "Global Warming" is not only highly contended, but scientifically disproven. When and if you arrive at this indisputable conclusion, you'll understand that "they" are using the notion of "aerial spraying to mitigate global warming" as a smokescreen to hide the true intent and purpose: controlling the food supply. Now, can you "connect the dots," or shall I fetch you a crayon?

I live near chicago. The spraying is awful here. Where do you live? I want to move there.

The CFR has already published that Granger Morgan at Carnegie Mellon is testing this nonsesne out. Its not a tin foil hat you need... its the ability to read.

The best proof of chemtrailing is the chemtrail fallout (polymer fibers) that looks like spider web strings, yet they are unnatural and overwhelming, especially can be seen undisturbed in the countryside. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QArPK9k1Gro&NR=1&feature=fvwp

P.S. Hi Thom!

Don't drink Shasta soft drinks!