Did you not have an experience? As Anti's description comes across to me, and I've been pretty good at guessing what he's trying to say so far, as we seem to be able to carry on a thread of discussion here, PIP would be a way of talking about what's involved in our experience with each other, and allowing that recovery of experience without creating a language of exclusion so common to systems.
I don't have a lot of time in responding to your request on (personal) 'spiritual experiences' right now--I have to work tonight. I will try to get back to that if that's where this discussion goes--I know that you, ren, and I have discussed that in the past. Part of the problem in this 'spiritual process' is that the description and the meaning will probably never match the experience--and I'll try to say more about that if it comes to that.
For now, let me comment a little on your previous segment that starts with this:
I don't know quite how to relate your words to what i was thinking, which was along these lines: In 1966 I disagreed with a "system's" conclusion that it should attack Vietnam......
With respect to what I was trying to say with the 'metaphysics of power', do you see 'war', in any way, a 'rational and reasonable' assertion of such power? Or, perhaps, what would be a 'rational and reasonable' assertion of such an act as war applied systematically? As Edward Bellamy pointed out in his book over 120 years ago (in Looking Backward--2000-1887), corporations operate more like the military than a 'civilized government'. I believe that 'war' was considered only as a 'necessary evil' under extreme circumstances--one that I believe only carries a valid moral cause when it concerns something like a 'virtue over life'--otherwise, I see no way in which 'war', itself, has a 'rational and reasonable' component to it and I think it further confirms my thoughts that 'systemic applications' should be 'rational and reasonable'.
I'm not trying to belittle your predicament in this. I'm glad I didn't have to go (I was just 'slightly' too young--I did have to register for the draft, however). I do remember all those pictures coming back from Vietnam on the evening news (at a time, unlike today, when the media showed such pictures). And, I do remember seeing all those protests about Vietnam coming from all the campuses on the evening news (at a time, unlike today, when the media showed such pictures). And, even when I was twelve years old, I wondered how this war at this time had anything to do with 'freedom'--or 'American interests'. And, I use this word 'freedom' less as a 'fact' and more as a 'metaphysical cause', so to speak. Besides that, my concept is more geared towards the universal implementations systematically as 'individual rights'. As I've tried to explain in other areas when I was only reading this thread, I have more a 'politico-religious' foundation to my endeavors than a purely 'philosophical' one. I've dabbled in philosophy--but, I've dabbled more in history--especially American history.
Do you remember the saying back in the '60's that said 'War is Obsolete'? I think even 'science' has proven that when Albert Einstein once claimed:
"With the unleashing of the power of the atom, everything about man has changed except his modes of thinking. And, with that, we are drifting towards unparalleled catastrophe."
Wars since World War II have neither been declared (as directed by the U.S. Constitution) nor 'won' in the sense that 'somebody surrendered'--and some 'state' was removed. These are more like Orwellian wars geared towards a manipulation of the state--having you 'look the other way' like the sleight of hand maneuver that it is while 'taking your rights away' with it.....I will never 'buy' into that system.....and, don't kid yourself, 'war' is a profitable corporate product.....
That doesn't mean that I'm a pacificist--in many ways, I am not. It does mean that I haven't seen a true cause for 'war'--or true ending to 'war', for that matter--happen anywhere since World War II.....