Muddying History

That's crazy.

Everybody knows that the Federal Reserve Board killed JFK in order to stop his Executive Order 11110 (June 4, 1963), which would have put the Fed out of business by flooding the market with Treasury-issued silver certificates. After Kennedy's murder, no more silver certificates were issued!

Please, please stop the cover-ups, people, and put the blame where it really belongs: THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD!

I am certain that just about anything I say is going to be taken as a personal attack on Mr. Hartmann and Mr. Waldron(?) I have posted my comments on amazon's review section on this book.. I would also like to ask these questions on his radio/TV program, but I found out that identifing myself as being to Mr. Hartmann's left and did not agree with part of the topic he was on that day brought the following responces from his screener--She hung up on me three times. (At no time was I unpleasant nor did I use profanity). So perhaps I can post my thoughts here in electronic Siberia. First of all Mr. Hartmann's theory that the mafia murdered President Kennedy all on their own, and there was no USG agency involement on an institutional level. Mr. Hartmann says they accomplished this by taking over an extant USG/Kennedy Brothers operation to carry out a coup (and Casto's Assassination?) on Sunday, December 1, 1963. The point man for this was Undersecretary Of Defense, Cyrus Vance. There is just so much wrong that it is going to be difficult to be concise, but let me try. The timeline here is very odd. If the Kennedys were going to pull off a coup/remove castro, and put in a pro-USG/Corporate government. Why would the Mafia take over this operation is order to kill the one guy who was going to rid the mafia of the hated Castro, and his revolutionary government?  Now Mr. Hartmann is asking you to believe the mafia did this just twelve days before Kennedy was going to give them joy. Even if you grant the ablility of people in general to behave illogically this just does not make any sense.

The message board  has rules about being offensive. Should this rule not apply to Mr. Hartmann as an author? For the theory he puts forth is a vicious attack on the Kennedys as completely unethical. The theory also makes them out to be politically tone deaf. Per the theory this Coup/Castro removal was scheduled for Sunday,  December 1, 1963. That this attack was sponcered by the USG would have been obvious to the International Community.  That this attack by us occured on an island nation twenty-one years and fifthy-one weeks after Pearl Harbor would have just invited the comparison to the Imperial Japanese navel and armed forces in the pacific which brouhgt the United States into World War Two. Also the likelyhood that say within a week. Say about Sunday, December 7, 1963 the USG would have had to come to aid of the Coup to fight the resistance. (I believe some years after JFK's assassination an intelligence analysis, white paper reported an invation of Cuba would have been a quagmire). As a navel officer in WW ll JFK had upfront and personal knowledge about what was required to invade a fortified island. I doubt Kennedy would have supported the orignial Bay of Pigs had Eisenhower not signed off on a plan to invade Cuba. I (and others) also doubt what Eisenhower signed off on was the plan presented to Kennedy. Please excuse me I have digressed.

Mr. Hartmann also writes that the SOD, Robert MaNamara did not know that the Kennedys/USG was planning this Coup/Catro removal program. He did not know on Friday November 22, 1963. When were they going to tell him that night, sometime over the weekend, sometime during the next week, the next Saturday, or not at all? Given the likelyhood that U.S. Navel, Air, and Land Forces would be needed it just strains belief that MaNamara would have been kept out of the loop if this was a real event. Let me drop the other shoe now. I would speculate that the Coup involving General Alverez(?) was one of three things 1. a ficticious operation by the Kennedys to "give the MI complex, the anti-castro cuban extremist, their CIA handlers, and other government agency supporters something to do. Mean while the Kennedys would negotiate a deal with Castro (see Lisa Howard and William Atwood for their actual accounts of these efforts. Also see John Newman's JFK AND VIETNAM  for the record of Kennedy's successful negotation of a truse in Laos vs. the JCS opinon that we needed nuclear weapons and One Hundred Thousand Troops. 2. A Counter-Intelligence Operation run by Castro's intellignece service. 3. Both of the above. The Kennedys could have given the domestic extremist a "Jump up and down and call it progress" operation and the Cubans could with or without knowledge of what the Kennedy's were doing dangled General Alverez.

There is much more but I will stop with the idea that the Kennedys would have used Cyrus Vance for this operation. Mr. Vance was no doubt a great Wall Street lawyer. However, as an Undersectretary of Defense he proved himself incapable of , at the President of the United States and the Attr. General,  moving a few troops within the boarders of the United States a rather short distance to the University of Miss. to protect USG employees and the black students they were attempting to intergrate into the University.  The attacks by the klan and the likes of General Walker continued while Mr. Vance dropped the ball (Please see David Talbot's Brothers for an account of this.  You may conclude as I have that the Kennedy's would not have let Mr. Vance organize having Rose Kennedy Cross the least traveled street in Boston at 6:00 a.m. on a Sunday morning. Much less put him in charge of a Coup/Castro replacement operation. Please read any of Harold Weisberg's books on JFK's murder, James Douglas' JFK and the UNSPEAKABLE, and Anthony Summer's Conspiracy. Thank you dear reader for your time.

I agree Jim Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable is universally lauded as a must read.  I personally feel LBJ had foreknowledge; but had no choice.  I don't have strong feelings on who the shooters were. As they say, "so far, 13 of the 3 shooters have been positively identified".

Not that the FR aren't same gang underneath it all. They at the top use the complete strata of criminality down to the benthic dwellers, but including Mafia, to perform their executions while remaining many degrees away from the scene of the crime.

On January 23, 1963 the FEC railroad workers went on strike. This led to the signing of President Kennedy's last executive order, EO 11127.

The Florida East Coast (Flagler System) Railway valueless securities were assigned to Bank of America, at that time in Florida known as Barnett Bank. It is the longest railroad bankruptcy in American history after which investors were paid about 40 cents on the dollar.

On November 9, 1963 This EO was signed: Executive Order 11127
Creating an emergency board to investigate a dispute between the Florida East Coast Railway Company and certain of its employees

Signed: November 9, 1963

Federal Register page and date: 28 FR 12079; November 13, 1963

Revoked by: EO 12553, February 25, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan

As a note, "On November 9, 1963, East Germany issued the ... 10 pfennig stamp to commemorate the 25th anniversary of Crystal Night, that night of terror when Nazis roamed the cities of Germany and Austria killing Jews and burning synagogues. The stamp depicts a burning synagogue and, in the foreground, the yellow badge which all Jews were required to wear under Nazi rule."

11/9/1963 "November 9 Explosion at Mikawa coal mine, Fukuoka, kills 458" Mitsui POW Mine at Omuta #17-F-- Now Carlyle Group "Omuta Rex" Shopping Center; #17F- Ian Fleming MIS code name

11/22/1963 President Kennedy Assassinated;

on the same day National City Lines. Inc., a holding company, acquired 75% of the outstanding stock of Fort Wayne Leasing, Inc., for $200,000 at closing and an additional $150,000 to be paid over the next five years contingent on Fort Wayne's earnings. See Jimmy Hoffa disappearance and Associated Transport in Fort Wayne, 1963. See- Timeline of violent and related deaths.

11/23/1963 "November 23 First Satellite news transmission begins between Japan and the US. The first transmission was news of Kennedy’s assassination "

The FEC Ry Co investigation, among others which were distracted and put off or forgotten due to the terrorist act of assassination, was a direct threat to the SAINTs (Scottish American Investment Trusts; Robert Fleming, T.J. Carlyle Gifford, and Touche) vertical axis of power. We see President Kennedy's power placed on the vertical axis in 1963 literally severed the arms of the SAINT, cutting off the vertical, albeit coiling ultimate descent of gold bonds to the Organization. Proceeds of The Double Treasury, Double Pennsy Bankruptcy, the Van Sweringen Empire, the 1929 stockmarket crash, and the Home Owners Loan Corporation were in danger of being cut off. The presence of JFK- FEC in 1963 prior to S-1 -99, i.e. before maturity of the first 99 yr. lease and 100- yr. bond of SAINT 1, blocked future access to gold bonds at 2039, 2038, 2042, 2050 and worst of all, at 2063, 1 100- yr. bond past the assassination. We see that the President's cup would likely collect centuries of the SAINTs blood money if the FEC was scrutinized.