Do the Democrats want to control every aspect of our lives?

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In another thread, it was stated that the Democrats want to control every aspect of people's lives. These two reactions followed:

Quote ah2:If the intent of this thread is about speaking truth to power, how about you knock off the straw man tactics. Democrats by no means what so ever want to contol every aspect of your life.
Quote DRC:What they say about us is really ignorant. Wanting to control every aspect of people's lives. Really Frank, that is nuts.

I'd be curious for both drc and ah2 to each list 10 things that the Democrats DON'T want to control.

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I don't want to control everything, I just want gay Republican men to seek companionship somewhere besides public restrooms.

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Quote chilidog:

I don't want to control everything, I just want gay Republican men to seek companionship somewhere besides public restrooms.

Hah! Good one! Don't we all..

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I'll have to agree that they don't want to control everything; just what we eat, drink, breath, spend, earn, watch, hear, learn, drive, live in, and use for energy. Other than that, we are free to do what we want. : o )

I am sure my friends on the left will resort to an old and faithful logic to explain that they don't wish to control anyone; they just wish to protect the non-intelectual masses from themselves. If that fails, there is always the "we are just looking out for the" poor, starving, children, or elderly mantras.

Having said that, I wait with great interest to see the list of things the Democrats don't want to control.

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Quote Paleo-con:

I'll have to agree that they don't want to control everything; just what we eat, drink, breath, spend, earn, watch, hear, learn, drive, live in, and use for energy. Other than that, we are free to do what we want. : o )

I am sure my friends on the left will resort to an old and faithful logic to explain that they don't wish to control anyone; they just wish to protect the non-intelectual masses from themselves. If that fails, there is always the "we are just looking out for the" poor, starving, children, or elderly mantras.

Having said that, I wait with great interest to see the list of things the Democrats don't want to control.

We shall see...

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And Republicans only want to control your ability to live above a minimum level of subsistence.

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You dont really have control over much of anything anyway. Its either controlled by we the people through the democratic process, or its controlled by non-democratic entities (ie corporations).

Having an advanced, high population density civilization means that a lot of freedoms are restricted (as if they were absolute anyway, right?) due to nearly anything you do having an effect on everyone/someone else. You've got to go out into the wilderness for the lone hunter-gatherer lifestyle for even a small taste of freedom. I choose democracy over freedom every time.

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What democrats want control over:

Your ability to harm another person without them being aware of it

Your ability to harm another person with them being aware of it

The democrats don't care what food you eat, what you drink, what cars you drive, whom you sleep with, whom you live your life with, what church you go to, what newspaper you read, what website you visit, where you work, what car you drive, who you associate with, what you do in your home;

with a cevat, namely the first two points. The moment your in-home activity harms another person, then you step into their area.

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Quote downix:

What democrats want control over:

Your ability to harm another person without them being aware of it

Your ability to harm another person with them being aware of it

The democrats don't care what food you eat, what you drink, what cars you drive, whom you sleep with, whom you live your life with, what church you go to, what newspaper you read, what website you visit, where you work, what car you drive, who you associate with, what you do in your home;

with a cevat, namely the first two points. The moment your in-home activity harms another person, then you step into their area.

Dang! Now you gave away the answers to drc and ah2.

Good job actually. (Even though you listed "what car you drive" twice <smirk>) And as Frank pointed out, the Republicans are not much better. You certainly hit on some items where the Democrats want less control than the Republicans, especially in the sexual and domestic partnership area.

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Some interesting stuff here. Ironic that you say we care what you watch and/or listen to. Pretty much all the content ratings and watch dog groups are conservatives. I for one, don't give a rip what you watch on TV. What I would say is that I think that the label "News" should be much like the labels "no fat" or "light" or "organic" on food labels. You have to meet particular criteria to be able to call something "news" and by extension, you must also meet that criteria to be eligble for "Press" access.

I will cycle back to this thread later when I have more time.

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Quote Azog:Even though you listed "what car you drive" twice

Which is ironic considering the cafe standards and hybrid tax credits, not to mention the California air resources board.

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Quote Azog:Even though you listed "what car you drive" twice

Which is ironic considering the cafe standards and hybrid tax credits, not to mention the California air resources board.

Not really, as those are to compensate for the thousands in oil and gas subsidies which artifiically lower the cost of owning fossil fueled cars.

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Quote downix:Not really, as those are to compensate for the thousands in oil and gas subsidies which artifiically lower the cost of owning fossil fueled cars.

You can find a rational for any government action designed to push people towards "desired" choices.

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Quote downix:Not really, as those are to compensate for the thousands in oil and gas subsidies which artifiically lower the cost of owning fossil fueled cars.

You can find a rational for any government action designed to push people towards "desired" choices.

Quite right. Personally I'd sooner see the subsidies removed, but that would cause hardship as we've become addicted to them.

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Liberals tend to favor these programs that push people to do what the left perceives as the best choices, hence the "liberals want to control every aspect of your life" criticism.

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Liberals tend to favor these programs that push people to do what the left perceives as the best choices, hence the "liberals want to control every aspect of your life" criticism.

And Conservatives do the same.

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Quote downix:And Conservatives do the same.

No, Republicans do.

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Quote downix:And Conservatives do the same.

No, Republicans do.

No, Conservatives do. That is the point of Conservatism, the fight against anything new. That is why they are called Conservatives, they wish to Conserve, to not change, the system as it is now. A Conservative in 1900 would be fighting against road improvements to enable cars, saying horse and buggy was fine. A Conservative in 1910 would be fighting against airfields, as trains were fine. A Conservative in 1955 would be fighting against rockets, as he could not see a point to putting metal objects in orbit.

They put roadblocks to attempts to liberate people through innovation. Liberate, the root for Liberal. That makes them as guilty of it as anyone else.

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A Union-Democrat doesn't but I'd say a Socialist-Democrat does. Also a Globalist-Democrat and a neo-Feudalist-Democrat does as well.

Much like a Globalist-Republican, a Corporatist-Republican, but not a Ron Paul Republican.

Libertarian Party - No

Constitution Party - No

Green Party - just the environmental aspects of your life.

Socialist Party - Yes

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I don't want to control everything in everybody's lives. I just want significant control over how rich people are allowed to make their money.

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Quote Volitzer:

A Union-Democrat doesn't but I'd say a Socialist-Democrat does. Also a Globalist-Democrat and a neo-Feudalist-Democrat does as well.

Much like a Globalist-Republican, a Corporatist-Republican, but not a Ron Paul Republican.

Libertarian Party - No

Constitution Party - No

Green Party - just the environmental aspects of your life.

Socialist Party - Yes

Incorrect. This has been explained in multiple threads.

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Big case of projection, is what we have here (fer sure). But, its getting hard to distinguish b/t republicans and democrats, since both these parties are coprorate controlled.. So I will talk about what liberals and conservatives want..

CONSERVATIVES WANT: ~~~~~~ to control every detail about your sexuality, and your religion, and it doesnt get more personal than this.. Conservatives work hard to try and turn America into a theocracy.. prayer in school, and all the associated issues where conservatives favor theocracy over freedom of religion every time.. Then there is the sex control; need I explain (gays in the military, Mr. Clinton had sex, etc).. Its sex and religion all the time, except when they are giving our tax money to wealthy corporations..

LIBERALS WANT: ~~~~~~ In contrast, liberals simply want laws (regulations) to hold corporations accountable for pollution, etc.. I dont see how this is comparable.. It looks to me like liberals want freedom for people, and conservatives want the opposite..

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