End of the world this Saturday, May 21st?

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I wish Hartmann would have brought this up to the guy from Family Radio. The Bible is clear that Christ's return "like a theif in the night." (1 Thessalonians 5:2, 2 Peter 3:10)

Also, know one know when. Not even the angels!

Matthew 24: 36 - 44:

36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

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Can someone refresh my memory on who were the two guys in the insurance/healthcare industry that took home more that a Billion Dollars for so called services rendered. I believe one was Called Steven Jay Helmsley for United HealthCare. But who was the other guy that took home a record 1.7 Billion Dollars for just a few years of work? Thanks

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Excellent point dstack. Thom missed a golden opportunity to knock that one out of the park.

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Can someone refresh my memory on who were the two guys in the insurance/healthcare industry that took home more that a Billion Dollars for so called services rendered. I believe one was Called Steven Jay Helmsley for United HealthCare. But who was the other guy that took home a record 1.7 Billion Dollars for just a few years of work? Thanks

John, you've picked an odd thread to ask that question, but I believe you're talking about the guy nick named "Dollar Bill McGuire."

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Excellent point dstack. Thom missed a golden opportunity to knock that one out of the park.

Thanks! Yes, that was such a golden opportunity and I listen to the podcasts, and I'm usually about a day behind, so I couldn't call in to respond.

I use to teach Bible studies, and I think it's very odd that this guy from Family Radio who says he knows the scriptures can get away with this ignorance. Plus, I happen to be gay, so when the gay pride thing came up as being a sign of the end of the world... LOL... WOW!

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There are least two rapture parties in Atlanta that I know of.. One is sponsored by the freethought society of Fayette county..

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Jesus is coming on Saturday to lead the rapture? I thought that Jews did not work on the Sabbath.....

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"But who was the other guy that took home a record 1.7 Billion Dollars for just a few years of work?"

Bill McGuire recieved a $1.7 BILLION payoff. Not so difficult when denying needed services to dying patients.

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Couple points.

1. Didn't, according to the Bible, the Earth or Sun stand still for a day? Wonder if this guy figured that into his calculations. If not, he probably means Friday.

2. Anyone heard of http://www.aftertherapturepetcare.com/ ? I laughed at the genius of it. Sadly, it originated as a joke but seems to have been picked up as a legit biz.

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Jesus is coming on Saturday to lead the rapture? I thought that Jews did not work on the Sabbath.....

Maybe He will be getting payed overtime?

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I use to teach Bible studies, and I think it's very odd that this guy from Family Radio who says he knows the scriptures can get away with this ignorance. Plus, I happen to be gay, so when the gay pride thing came up as being a sign of the end of the world... LOL... WOW!

Perhaps a thread devoted to homosexuality and Christianity would be interesting? It's probably already out there. I've always found that subject endlessly fascinating (specifically through the prism of inerrancy). Jesus was, if nothing else, NOT exclusionary. He, unlike Moses or Paul, was never one to single out homosexuality (or many other things) as specifically sinful. It's amazing how so many people who claim to be His followers can be so far removed from His teachings.

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I guess there's not much point in paying my cable bill.

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I guess there's not much point in paying my cable bill.

Lol.

My band has a pretty big show here in Chicago on that same night, I have been advertising it as the last concert EVER. Hopefully people treat it like it is, haha...

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You can check out our End of the World Yard Sale on Craigslist. Everything must go! Hey, we got a sunny Saturday for the first time in awhile.

The shortest response I can give about Christianity and homosexuality is that it has not been much of a problem or subject of interest until fairly recently. Our modern culture of marriage has made romance much more the thing than it was for centuries where marriage was about child-bearing and caring for a home with the breadwinner bringing home the dough. If these jobs were done and respect was maintained, what happened discreetly on the side was not mentioned. Affairs of long standing were conducted with public discretion and were not mentioned by people who knew what was not being said or acknowledged publicly. Part of the reaction against gay marriage is the making public of relationships rural and Southern society had long "ignored."

But there is a much more difficult problem involved with Biblicism and the reduction of Biblical Authority to the text. The texts examined in response to questions about homosexuality are obscure and tangential rather than direct opinion on the subject. There are questions about the words in the texts and precisely what they refer to. It would be one thing to condemn gay orgies and another to find a gay couple automatically in sin. And the Leviticus passage is full of Holiness Code antiquities that make its moral teachings a bit less than clear. It bans gay, but not lesbian sex.

The big argument is about what Paul means in Romans 1:27-28 where he talks about the "unnatural" practices in the Roman world including men going with men and women with women. Paul is quoting the typical rhetoric of the Synagogue preachers who attracted his readers. They were dropouts from the Roman world who loved to hear the corruptions of the fallen so they could feel superior. Paul is feeding their appetite for judgment when he pulls the trap on them in 2:1. The problem is that grace and this appetite for judgmentalism are in conflict. They are guilty of the sins they judge in others. They are not recognizing the grace of God in the Gentile who does the law without knowing it. And, if modern readers were looking for the Word of God in these passages, they might be able to hear the Word about Judgment instead of trying make Paul's comments about Roman orgies the moral basis for condemning homosexuality.

Did Paul agree with the critics of Romans doing the Greek thing? A lot of Romans thought of it as a Greek corruption, but a lot of Romans went Greek too. What if Paul did think that homosexuality was sexual corruption? Is he not allowed to be part of his world and culture when he is not directly discussing a subject we care about two centuries later? What is clear is that there is nothing in his understanding of human sexuality and the vocational nature of the calling to celibacy that makes any natural calling, such as being gay, fail to meet the measure of morality.

Paul did not limit sex to procreation. He had no heterosexual mandate and none of the stupid theology of the Imago where "male and female" are united in the Divine Wholeness. No one was asking him whether or not gay and lesbian people could be Christians, but Paul was all for inclusion and against telling the Holy Spirit who could and could not be acceptable to God.

I do not want to get started on the messy relationship of sex and pastors and pulpits. The problem is power and charisma as well as the intimacy of counseling and pastoral care. Add to that a bit of Elmer Gantry and power manipulation, and all that willing pussy and ass. Being the defender of all that is moral means being full of moral outrage against whatever prejudice can be exploited.

Even were the authority of Scripture about the texts, on this issue the texts are so weak they ought to be laughed out of hermeneutic class. Paul actually commented on the conduct of women in church as well as what to do with slaves. We have dispensed with all that and embraced racial and gender equality despite what Paul wrote. His practical advice in particular situations did not always reflect his radically inclusive theology. Not causing scandals was important to him and nascent communities. In his case against being judgmental, Paul quotes common opinion of his time to set up his audience. It is a rhetorical tactic, not proof of what he believed or would have said in a considered response.

What bothers me most is how much the Presbyterians make Hedges look good as we finally allow those who will ordain gay and lesbian candidates for the ministry to do so. But we still let those who think it is sinful to exclude them. We do not insist that our ministers and elders understand our authority of Scripture doctrines or use them. We let this biblicist literalism that is specifically outlawed in our Confessions run amok because it is what TV preachers have made into normative Christianity. We have allowed this heretical culture war to stifle us as a community of faith. We have followed the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" with our own sorry compromise with generational change.

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Top Ten Rapture Tips

In preparation for Saturday's Rapture, I'm sharing my top ten rapture tips:

10. Pass gas before leaving atmosphere to prevent embarrassing trajectory changes.

9. Bring a firearm in case some bastard cuts you off at the Kolob exit.

8. Refrain from drinking liquids--God ain't going to pull over.

7. Good manners dictate that you shake Jesus' hand before hugging Ayn Rand and punching Gandhi.

6. Call out greetings to friends immediately after liftoff--in space, no one can hear you scream.

5. To decrease atmospheric friction, refrain from using Cialis, Viagra, or any other hardening agents after midnight on Friday.

4. Wear clean underwear; you don't want to embarrass your mother if you're the bastard who cuts me off at the Kolob exit.

3. Bring a big bottle of Aquafina. Jesus loves a good wine.

2. Don't buzz the Jews.

1. Keep your sunroof open.

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