Thom Drinks New-Age Golden-Motorcycle-Gang Kool Aid

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Zenzoe

I couldn't believe it: Thom sat there, interviewing two phony, new-age opportunists, as they pluged their bogus book, The Golden Motorcycle Gang—and Thom acted as if to say, "Hey, yeah, people can actually remember having decided to be born and having chosen to make a difference in the world!"  Oye vey!

So what did I answer to the Five Big Questions they posed, as I sat watching the Thom's interview?

1- What do you know of the original plan Are you aware there’s some destiny unfolding that you’re a part of? A lot of people will tell you they are.

Well, I'm aware that you're full of it, and my destiny doesn't include listening to your BS.

2- Do you have any memory of having volunteered to go to Earth at this particular time?

No.  And neither do you.

3- The third question is, if so, do you remember your contract?

No. But I remember you two have a contract and are trying to sell a book.

4- What do you do best in the world that only you can do?

Well, I'm really, really good at noticing when somebody is trying to hoodwink me.

5- What are you supposed to do now, and what tools and resources do you need to do it?

What I'm supposed to do now is use my remote to turn off the TV and be glad I won't be buying your book.

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bamboo
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hey zenzoe, Where can one

hey zenzoe,

Where can one watch this interview?

Natural Lefty
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Your answers are very funny,

Your answers are very funny, Zenzoe. Well, mine probably would have been similar to yours, although I don't discount the possibility of something like reincarnation. I have enough trouble remembering what has happened ever since I was born, much less what may have happened before I was born.

Zenzoe
Bamboo, here it is, in all

Bamboo, here it is, in all its glory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YwW5n64BT0

NL, well, I don't know. I put this stuff in the same category as, "You will meet a tall, dark stranger..." 

I used to know a woman who claimed to be able to see auras. She'd smugly say things like, "Your aura looks much better today," but she didn't mean my skin tone, or energy in a metaphorical sense; she meant it literally, as in, "I can see your aura is green today. Yesterday it was bitter orange."  And she didn't mean it in the poetic sense at all.  At the time, I dismissed her as a catty female.  Now, I don't know...people like that make me want to drop-kick them into the next county. ;-)

Natural Lefty
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My aura must be better today

My aura must be better today than yesterday, for sure, but it's invisible to me.

MEJ
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Oh Horatio, I mean Zenzoe,

Oh Horatio, I mean Zenzoe, there are more things...

There's been some pretty compelling evidence for reincarnation. Brian Weiss seems kinda credible, but...I'll stop there before I risk getting kicked

Zenzoe
I won't kick you, MEJ, but I

I won't kick you, MEJ, but I will remind you of what Woody Allen had to say about such explorations: "I’m astounded by people who want to ‘know’ the universe when it’s hard enough to find your way around Chinatown."

And I hardly know my way around my own, present life, than to be cursed with having to think about a previous life.  Who needs it?

Also, given that I would welcome the memory of past lives, but, given that I've never remembered even one of them, I figure I haven't had any.  Thus, either they don't happen for anybody, or this is my first. But I don't buy into the notion that other people are just more sensitive to these things than I.  If they can do it, so can I.  But I don't.

I think there's more in the power of the human mind to imagine and create than is dreamt of in the explanations of would-be gurus.

On the other hand, I'm agnostic on the subject. For all I know, maybe life is ALL there is. Just don't ask me to come back as a moray eel.  I wouldn't appreciate it. ;-)

Natural Lefty
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I recall reading about a

I recall reading about a couple which both had remarkable memories of past lives in which they were a couple, and these memories were verified by checking the records. I don't remember the details, but they apparently had no way of knowing the details of these persons' lives who had died many years earlier. Dr. Weiss' website is quite interesting too. The energies of the Universe interact with us and reverberate through time, I suppose, which could result in something like reincarnation.  I personally don't remember any past lives, although my wife sometimes says she thinks we were a couple in a past life or lives. (Perhaps she is just being romantic.) I have enough finding my way around Chinatown as Woody Allen says, so I have to remain agnostic about reincarnation although some of the stories are quite compelling.

Zenzoe
I think it's very hard for

I think it's very hard for some people to wrap their minds around the possibility they just might not be special, that in the large scheme of things, they're no more important, or unique, than a cat or dog or tree or a pollywog. I find the notion that I, a unique person, have arrived here for the first and last time, and that I will never appear again, every bit as intriguing as the idea that I'm so important I'll keep being reborn, until I reach perfection.  In fact, I find the latter idea a bit narcissistic—magical thinking at its best.  The former makes this life a precious thing, something to treasure for its rarity.

Nobody wants to die, to disappear into nothingness.  Death is impossible to imagine.  Scary.  Thus, the stories, the religions, the mad cults.

MEJ
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That's one of the cool things

That's one of the cool things in the Weiss books. Nobody was ever anybody of distinction in his research. His subjects are usually slaves and servants in former lives....except for the good doctor himself....hmmm....

Really though, they're worth the read and you can find some cheap used books at amazon. There loaded with good moral and ethical lessons delivered in an unconventional manner. Some of the themes that run through are: past life traumas can produce present dis-eases. People tend to travel with soul groups or soul families and repeatedly work on learning the same lessons. Thus it's not a matter of reincarnating to perfection of the soul as in Buddhist tradition, but evolving to a basic humanitarian adequacy which tends to be about 70-90 incarnations for the average person. 

It may or may not matter what's really what but, a mind stretched beyond its old dimensions....

 

Zenzoe
I put this stuff in the same

I put this stuff in the same category as religion, poetry, fiction, art and astrology, according to what Karen Armstrong refers to as the mythos (as opposed to logos) —myth— area of human thought and consciousness: It provides enrichment, enchantment, and, for some, meaning in a seemingly meaningless, harsh world:

"We tend to assume that the people of the past were (more or less) like us, but in fact their spiritual lives were rather different. In particular, they evolved two ways of thinking, speaking, and acquiring knowledge, which scholars have called mythos and logos. Both were essential; they were regarded as complementary ways of arriving at truth, and each had its special area of competence. Myth was regarded as primary; it was concerned with what was thought to be timeless and constant in our existence. Myth looked back to the origins of life, to the foundations of culture, and to the deepest levels of the human mind. Myth was not concerned with practical matters, but with meaning. Unless we find some significance in our lives, we mortal men and women fall very easily into despair. The mythos of a society provided people with a context that made sense of their day-to-day lives; it directed their attention to the eternal and the universal. It was also rooted in what we would call the unconscious mind. The various mythological stories, which were not intended to be taken literally, were an ancient form of psychology. When people told stories about heroes who descended into the underworld, struggled through labyrinths, or fought with monsters, they were bringing to light the obscure regions of the subconscious realm, which is not accessible to purely rational investigation, but which has a profound effect upon our experience and behavior. Because of the dearth of myth in our modern society, we have had to evolve the science of psychoanalysis to help us to deal with our inner world.http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/a/armstrong-battle.html

It's important not to confuse myth with reality, however.  I wouldn't want to take it literally. 

MEJ
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looks kinda like armstrong is

looks kinda like armstrong is reducing myth into psychology. While I don't doubt that there is some validity in such a perspective, I think it is missing some other things.

Part of myth is historical. Don't discount the possiblity of ancient aliens influencing how we think about things. Might want to watch this...

I also think that there were many thousands of years of oral traditions that became mythologized. The calendar was developed orally and we have multiple gods who died at the shortest days of the years to be resurrected three days later. The sun, the light...archeoastronomy

and we have stories of giants and hippogriffs that may have been misinterpetations of dinosaur fossils

and then ya gotta mix it all together bake with fungus for a couple of hours...

what a loonngg strange trip its been...la la da di di da di da da da....