20 Signs That The Culture Of Government Dependence Has Gotten Completely And Totally Out Of Control

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20 Signs That The Culture Of Government Dependence Has Gotten Completely And Totally Out Of Control

The Economic Collapse
December 7, 2011

More Americans are financially dependent on the government than ever before. For a variety of reasons, there are now tens of millions of Americans that would not be able to survive without government assistance. As I wrote about the other day, the insane economic policies of our “representatives” in Washington D.C. have created a situation where there are not nearly enough decent jobs for everyone. So the job market has become a giant game of “musical chairs” and a lot of American families have been left out in the cold when the music has stopped. Of course we are not going to let them starve in the streets. There are also some Americans that simply do not have the capacity to take care of themselves. It is certainly the compassionate thing to do to give them a helping hand. However, with all of that said, we also have to face the fact that we have created a “culture of dependence” in this country. Americans that are now in their prime working years have been taught all of their lives that the government is going to take care of them from the cradle to the grave. This culture of government dependence has gotten completely and totally out of control, and now nearly half of all American households receive some form of government benefits. As a result, our debt is absolutely exploding, everyone looks to the government to solve our problems and very few Americans seem to possess a very strong work ethic any longer.

This article is going to make a lot of people angry, but it is imperative that we all comes to grips with the fact that this is not how a society is supposed to work. Yes, we should help those that do not have the capacity to help themselves. Yes, the insane policies of the federal government have created this economic environment where very few people can find jobs. We didn’t want to keep their jobs in the country, so now we are going to have to supportmillions of displaced American workers somehow.

However, the notion that the federal government is supposed to take care of us from the time that we are born until the time that we die is poisonous. As you will see below, federal government handouts have absolutely skyrocketed in recent years, but this has just created an environment where people are demanding even more handouts.

The truth is that the government is not your mommy and your daddy. The government is not there to take money away from someone else and give it to you. The government is supposed to be the “referee” – not your own personal caretaker.

So should we just start dumping millions upon millions of people off of government welfare rolls?

Of course not. We cannot do that, because from the time that they were babies millions of Americans have been taught to be completely dependent on the government. If we just suddenly cut them off they would not be able to make it. They simply have never learned how. We aren’t going to let tens of millions of people starve in the streets. A growing percentage of Americans have never learned how to make it on their own.

That is one of the reasons why this culture of government dependence is so toxic. People never learn to take care of themselves.

Unfortunately, the American people have become absolutely addicted to government money. One way not to get elected is to threaten to reduce the government checks that people get every month. Any politician that is honest about what we really can afford usually does not get a whole lot of support.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with helping the poor, the needy, the homeless and the despairing.

But each year millions more Americans climb aboard the “safety net”. As I keep warning, at some point the “safety net” is going to break.

The government is not supposed to be your God. If you have problems, then you need to fix them.

Yes, without a doubt that is not an easy thing to do in this economic environment. Our government has royally messed things up.

But life is not easy and life is not fair. Sometimes you just have to do the best you can with what you have. If you wait around for the government to be your savior, you will almost always end up deeply disappointed and you will never get anywhere in life.

The following are 20 signs that the culture of government dependence has gotten completely and totally out of control….

#1 If you can believe it, 48.5% of all Americans now live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was less than 30 percent.

#2 Way too many Americans believe that the government should just swoop in and solve all of their problems. For example, the plight of a single mother named Angel Adams made national headlines recently. Over the years her relationships with three different men have produced 15 children, and she was recently found living in a single motel room with 12 of those children.

As you can see in the video below, Adams is looking for the government to come in and rescue her. The following is what Adams told one reporter….

“Somebody needs to pay for all my children and my – for all my suffering. Somebody needs to be held accountable, and they need to pay.”

You can see news clips about this case in the video posted below….

After seeing this video, most Americans would respond with statements such as these….

*”The government needs to help that mother out”

*”The government needs to take those children away from her”

*”The government needs to keep women like that from having so many kids”

Do you see the common theme there?

Today, Americans almost always think that the solution to a problem involves the government doing something.

In America, women should be free to have as many children as they want. But they should also not expect the government to swoop in and rescue them from the consequences of the choices that they have made.

Yes, we always need to make sure that all children have food to eat and a roof over their heads. But it is not the job of the government to come in and control her life, and it is not the job of the government “to pay” for her to have a comfortable life either.

#3 The amount of money paid out to individual citizens by the government today is absolutely staggering. In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for 18.4% of all income.

#4 According to a recent ABC News report, suicides in rural America are spiking, and experts say that cuts to Medicaid are partly to blame….

Kathie Garrett, co-chairman of the Idaho Council on Suicide Prevention, says the problem has gotten only worse since the recession. “The poor economy and unemployment—those put a lot of stress on people’s lives,” she explains. To save money, people skip doctor visits and cut back on taking prescribed medications. Cuts in Medicaid have reduced the services available to the mentally ill.

“I personally know people who lost Medicaid who’ve attempted suicide,” says Garrett.

#5 By the end of 2011, approximately 55 million Americans will receive a total of 727 billion dollars in Social Security benefits. In future years, this dollar figure is projected to absolutely skyrocket.

#6 When you total it all up, American households are now receiving more money from the U.S. government than they are paying to the government in taxes.

#7 It is being projected that the federal government will account for more than 50 percent of all health care spending in 2012.

#8 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today,one out of every 6 Americans is on Medicaid.

#9 According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Social Security systempaid out more in benefits than it received in payroll taxes in 2010. That was not supposed to happen until at least 2016.

#10 The federal government is expected to “take care” of their workers far better than the private sector does. If you can believe it, the average federal employee in the Washington D.C. area brings in total compensation worth more than $126,000 a year.

#11 Last year, federal employees “earned” approximately 447 billion dollarsin total compensation.

#12 Spending by the federal government accounts for approximately one thirdof the GDP of the entire Washington D.C. region.

#13 The federal government spent more than 50 billion dollars on “housing assistance” in 2009.

#14 The U.S. government now says that the Medicare trust fund will run outfive years faster than they were projecting just last year.

#15 The total cost of just three federal government programs – the Department of Defense, Social Security and Medicare – exceeded the total amount of taxes brought in during fiscal 2010 by 10 billion dollars.

#16 Right now, there are more than 45 million Americans on food stamps. That means that approximately one out of every seven Americans is dependent on the federal government for food.

#17 The number of Americans on food stamps has increased 74% since 2007.

#18 Sadly, one out of every four American children is now on food stamps.

#19 In 2010, 42 percent of all single mothers in the United States were on food stamps.

#20 According to one study, “64.3 million Americans depended on the government (read: their fellow citizens) for their daily housing, food, and health care” during 2009.

After reading this article, a lot of people may get the impression that I am greedy and that I am “on the side” of the rich.

That is not the case at all.

I have repeatedly written about the growing problem of income inequality in America.

I have repeatedly written about the need to reduce the power and the wealth of the big banks and the big corporations.

I have repeatedly written about how our government is run by wealthy people and almost all political campaigns are funded by wealthy people.

We need to level the playing field so that individuals and small businesses have a chance to thrive once again.

Unfortunately, a lot of people out there think that the solution to these problems is to raise taxes on the wealthy and redistribute even more money to those receiving handouts.

Number one, that will never get those on handouts on the road to a better life. Handouts are never a permanent solution. A good job is a permanent solution.

Number two, that will only make the culture of government dependence even worse.

Yes, we need to take care of the poor and the needy.

I am a huge advocate of that.

In the book of James, it says the following….

Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.

It is not the job of the government to take care of the poor and the needy.

It is our job.

If you are able to take care of yourself and your family, and you are not actively doing something to help the poor, then something is wrong.

There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money.

But there is something wrong with hoarding your wealth.

Sadly, most Americans have grown accustomed to the idea that they don’t have to take care of the poor because “the government” is going to do it.

That is another example of the “culture of government dependence”. We have gotten so used to “the government” taking care of others that we don’t even lift a finger ourselves.

We need to stop waiting for the government to fix everything.

The government is not going to fix our lives.

The government is not going to fix the lives of those around us either.

We need to start taking responsibility for our own lives and for our own communities.

Does anyone disagree?

***UPDATE***

Here is another example from ABC News of an American that completely lost it when she realized that the government was not going to be her savior….

A Texas woman who for months was unable to qualify for food stamps pulled a gun in a state welfare office and staged a seven-hour standoff with police that ended with her shooting her two children before killing herself, officials said Tuesday.

We need to help the American people understand that the government is always going to end up failing them and that they need to fix their own lives.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/20-signs-that-the-culture-of-government-dependence-has-gotten-completely-and-totally-out-of-control.html

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Two things:

1. If charity and churches is the answer then why was the poverty rate in the US at 50% in the Roaring 1920's BEFORE any govt programs came into existence?

It is now 10-15%. The fact that it is still 15% means that the charities and churches still arent doing enough and the 20's proves that they never will.

The RW propaganda machine exaggerates this issue more than any other to turn the middle class voters against the poor so they vote Republican. Just another Divide and Conquer cultural war issue that the top 1% use for us to vote against our own best interests.

2. We need better schools for the poor. Many are crumbling from lack of maintenance and neglect. Education is the ticket out of poverty.

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If the above statements were true then there would be literally millions of jobs begging to be filled. How can there be one job opening for every 5 unemployed people if Americans are lazy and want the government to take care of them? That whole statement is a crock of sheet. It is exactly what the conservatives in this country have been saying for the last 50 years.

How many more people have to starve to death in this country before the real issues are addressed? The United States is still the richest country on the earth and yet there's not enough resources to allow people to work an honest job for an honest paycheck in which they wouldn't need any kind of government assistance. The government spends less than the plutocracy saves and yet it's always the governments fault along with all those lazy bastards who want a hand out.

Most people who receive government aid live a life that nobody around here would ever envy. They are forced to either accept it or starve to death. Quite the choice. Many of these people are at the end of their rope and are totally humiliated when they have to pull out that ebt cart in front of a bunch of strangers. I guess that's not enough humiliation so we have to come up with lists that show how worthless they are. Why not just step on their necks while you're at it.

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I totally agree. If the government was doing a better job providing sound money and not allowing the banks to contract the money supply when the population grows at 3% a year then there wouldn't be a need for 48 million to be on food stamps.

Banks induce Depressions then everyone looks to government to support them. If the government was running the banks and not the banks the government the economy would do a 180 reversal.

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Have you guys ever noticed when a repugnut gets elected one of the first things they always do is cut education funds?......Wonder Why?

IMO......I'd say an educated work force is a direct threat to them.

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If you can believe it, 48.5% of all Americans now live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was less than 30 percent.

Actually, that number is 100%, as it was back in 1983. Yes, it's true. Not even in 1983 were there self-made persons.

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Elgiabo wrote: A growing percentage of Americans have never learned how to make it on their own.

poly replies: We haven't been a nation of independent farmers, shopkeepers and craftsmen for a long time. We are now a country of wage earners. To make it, one needs to find an employer. There doesn't seem to be enough of those to go around.

I know a lady who tried to make it by buying a pet shop. She was put out of business by Walmart..It cost her more to buy her products for re-sale than Walmart was selling them for. She wasn't large enough to dictate prices to her suppliers.

People used to make it by building a small shelter on the commons, planting a garden and raising some chickens. The commons disappeared a long, long time ago. They were dismantled a long, long time ago.That's how the "Free Labor Market" came into being. Nothing "free" about it. There was nothing free in the new system of working for another or starving. It was coersion.

To "make it", you need a job or the money to buy yourself one called a business. What skills can be taught to "make it" when there are neither?

Going to college so one can graduate saddled with debt and move in with mom and dad seems to be a growing norm.

The best of all possible systems, the end of economic/social history,and as Margaret Thatcher put it, "no alternatives", seems to have some drawbacks. The merging of economic, resource and environmental collapse in the not too distant future seems to be one of them.

Surely we can find an alternative to what we have now...so we can all "make it"..

Monks produce what they need and distribute what they produce to those monks who need it. Simple, basic economics. Produce what's needed and distribute it. I don't think hunger in the U.S. is from a lack of agricultural land. So what's your problem? What ideological nonsense is getting in the way of producing what's needed and distributing it?

You are a country. Start acting like one rather than acting as 300 million individual nation states.

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease".

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Right-wing propoganda. Those who are actually addicted to suckling at the government teat are the military and security contractors who depend on fat govt. contracts. They buy influence with Congress through lobbying that keeps us in perpetual war and at high security alert status and they locate in as many congressional districts as possible in order to keep the gravy train rolling. Welfare, food stamps and unemployment insurance programs amount to a pittance compared to what these kind of leeches suck out of the taxpayers.

Social Security and Medicare are not gifts from the taxpayers but rather insurance plans that we all pay into and that benefit all of us directly or indirectly. If our parents and grandparents didn't have these programs the burden would not just disappear but would only fall on us in more ominous ways. That leaves just the social welfare programs and, like with Social Security and Medicare, the costs are borne by society anyway it would just be in a more frenetic and destructive way if not done in an organized way. Is government a social compact or simply a state security apparatus? America actually has among the most minimal of social safety nets of all the developed countries and so it is just conservative hysteria (and I would say selfishness) that leads to ridiculous claims such as those made in the above post.

America is not a nation of dependants. We actually are resourceful, hardworking and fiercely independant. It is just a bullshit Republican talking point to suggest that Americans will become used to being taken care of and will want to stay on the public dole. All of the actual evidence suggests that Americans are willing and eager to work and will when given the chance. The Fact is that Americans work longer hours and are more productive than other societies and so its time for cold-hearted conservative know-nothings to shut up and quit bashing the American public. The problem is not that we have a culture of dependancy but rather the problem is that our economic system is broken and corrupted and those who profit from that corrupted system prefer to point the finger of blame on anything other than their own misdeeds and failed economic theories.

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Glad to see there are still folks willing to read these long, copy-and-pasted articles. I'm not.

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You should while you are not in a FEMA Camp. When they throw you in one it'll be too late.

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Your theories about human nature are ignorant and false.

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FEMA death camps? Bilderberg world Government? Where do these giant conspiracy pipe-dreams come from? Why are right-wing talk-show hosts and message board bloggers the only people who know about them? Why do I read this junk?

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FEMA death camps? Bilderberg world Government? Where do these giant conspiracy pipe-dreams come from? Why are right-wing talk-show hosts and message board bloggers the only people who know about them? Why do I read this junk?

If people aren't afraid, the right loses power. F-right-ened is patriotic.

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Quote Art:

FEMA death camps? Bilderberg world Government? Where do these giant conspiracy pipe-dreams come from? Why are right-wing talk-show hosts and message board bloggers the only people who know about them? Why do I read this junk?

If people aren't afraid, the right loses power. F-right-ened is patriotic.

AMEN!

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How the fuck do you look at a statistic like 1/4 children are on foodstamps and think "yeah the government created that."

What we have is a rampant culture of unemployment, underemployment, and corporate greed. Where you see governmental dependence, I see a MASSIVE FAILING OF CAPITALISM TO SUSTAIN A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

Our economic system sucks. Like not even just a little. Not "oh we need to tweek things here and there." No. The entire system from top to bottom sucks. The welfare programs don't exist for the lower class. The exist to justify the wealth disparity created by Capitalism and the extreme greed aand opulence of the wealthy.

Wake the hell up.

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Quote elgiabo:

We need to level the playing field so that individuals and small businesses have a chance to thrive once again.

There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money.

But there is something wrong with hoarding your wealth.

Makes sense to me. It sounds like he wants to tax labor less and tax capital more.

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elgiabo wrote:

We need to level the playing field so that individuals and small businesses have a chance to thrive once again.

There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money.

poly replies: Probably the banksters at Goldman Sachs agree with you. Nothing wrong with billion dollar bonuses.

However, as Milton Friedman noted in his book, "Money Mischief", "The money supply at any one time is finite. For one to have more, another has to have less."

How much less should some have so some can have more? Some already have so little they can't eat properly. How much less should they receive...so some can have more?

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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Quote Sprinklerfitter:

Have you guys ever noticed when a repugnut gets elected one of the first things they always do is cut education funds?......Wonder Why?

IMO......I'd say an educated work force is a direct threat to them.

Great News!!!!!! You no longer need to wonder. I will happily explain. My wife is an educator. No need for you to make a paranoid guess.

There is tons of money waste in the educational system. We hate to see our money wasted. The percentage of money spent on education is much higher now then it was in the past. Yet our children seem to be getting less educated. Some inner city schools spend much more money per student than the suburban schools. Yet their results are worse. So common sense would indicate that it ain't all about money. Blindly throwing tons of cash into a busted educationl system has done zip.

You see, it is not quite as sinister as you fear. And now you know the rest of the story.

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There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money.

Completely misses the point. The making of extravagant lots of money at the expense of others is not the problem. It is the symptom of a system that treats money and power in a perverse way.

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Quote rigel1:
Quote Sprinklerfitter:

Have you guys ever noticed when a repugnut gets elected one of the first things they always do is cut education funds?......Wonder Why?

IMO......I'd say an educated work force is a direct threat to them.

Great News!!!!!! You no longer need to wonder. I will happily explain. My wife is an educator. No need for you to make a paranoid guess.

There is tons of money waste in the educational system. We hate to see our money wasted. The percentage of money spent on education is much higher now then it was in the past. Yet our children seem to be getting less educated. Some inner city schools spend much more money per student than the suburban schools. Yet their results are worse. So common sense would indicate that it ain't all about money. Blindly throwing tons of cash into a busted educationl system has done zip.

You see, it is not quite as sinister as you fear. And now you know the rest of the story.

I wondered where you crawled off to. Did ya get yourself another bag full of talking points for your return trip here? I hate to break the bad news to you but there is a lot of waste in government period not just in the education system. I'm glad to see one of you holds down a steady job and I figured it was probably misses. BTW..Is being a paid troll considered a real job now a days? As far as fear mongering is concerned we know which party promotes it daily and what type of idiots believe it. 99% of them ain't democrats either. If there's anything else I can help ya out with I'm just a shout away.............peace.

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Blindly throwing tons of cash into a busted educationl system has done zip.

So the remedy would be to blindly remove money from the educational system, I guess. Seems to me that's what turned California"s first rate educational system into what it is today when Reagan convinced California's people that they shouldn't have to pay for a good system?

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There is nothing wrong with making a lot of money.

The money supply at any one time is finite. For one to have more, another has to have less.

How much less should some have so some can have more? Some already have so little they can't eat properly. How much less should they receive...so some can have more?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the original post: He's also got the line about "hoarding wealth."

I understood that to mean that if someone makes MAKES $1 million and spends $1 million than he does not HAVE $1 million. The money supply is circulating. And if he only spends half a million then he is hoarding half a million, and that indeed can be a problem. And a tax on capital/property would cure that.

Of course if someone makes $1 billion then that can't be spent. Unless he has harems of celebrities...

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People who can't take care of their kids are guilty of child abuse and should be locked up and throw away the key. Their kids can be sent to government/charity schools and enrolled in the Boy/Girl Scouts.

If we had worker-owned businesses and corporations, people would naturally distribute work amongst the largest number of people.

Let's stop pretending people have mental diseases because we don't have a government that will take care of people cradle to grave; I actually overheard someone in the library explain to the person they were talking to that they got SSI because they are a drug addict! Let's just admit losers are losers and pay them just enough to go somewhere where we don't have to look at them so they can wallow in their own filth and misery unless they find it within themselves to do something productive or respectable with their time.

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"I actually overheard someone in the library explain to the person they were talking to that they got SSI because they are a drug addict!".... really, you're going to base an opinion on something you "overheard" in the library? That's just ridiculous! People do not get SSI for being on drugs. There is a concerted effort on the right to demonize anyone and everyone who gets any sort of assistance from govt. Instead of looking at the institutional corruption and social injustice that's pervasive in our economic system those who benefit from the status quo would rather shift blame by pointing out a few instances of small time fraud by welfare or food stamp recipients. Never mind that institutional corruption threw millions out of work and into the breadlines, let's focus our blame on the people standing in those breadlines! Pay no attention to greedy military contractors who buy influence to get themselves fat government contracts. All the food stamp and unemployment benefits combined could easily be paid for just with what the Pentagon wastes in extravagance but conservatives never want to talk about that.

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More money gets spent on education but then the government buys Chinese fluoride to put into the water to dumb them down.

The dumber people are the easier they are to control. Every dictator knows this.

Republicans get funded by those who run corporations that use dumb labor that keeps millionaires aloft.

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Quote ah2:

How the fuck do you look at a statistic like 1/4 children are on foodstamps and think "yeah the government created that."

What we have is a rampant culture of unemployment, underemployment, and corporate greed. Where you see governmental dependence, I see a MASSIVE FAILING OF CAPITALISM TO SUSTAIN A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

Our economic system sucks. Like not even just a little. Not "oh we need to tweek things here and there." No. The entire system from top to bottom sucks. The welfare programs don't exist for the lower class. The exist to justify the wealth disparity created by Capitalism and the extreme greed aand opulence of the wealthy.

Wake the hell up.

That is the duplicity of the conservative brain, Ah2. Conservatives see homeless children and are willing to blame the government for their existence but aren't willing to apply any of their wealth for government run programs to end homelessness. As long as they can effectively blame the poor for their own condition, they sleep well at night...on their big piles of money.

Conservative ideas deal more with the problem of guilt management than they do that of greed management.

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Stupid rant and it's not even your writing. Claim #1 "If you can believe it, 48.5% of all Americans now live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was less than 30 percent."

Try 100% now and back in 1983. Do the people in American households travel on the highways? Does food come to them over the highways? Do their children go to pulbic schools? Are they "protected" by our military? Are they protected by the legal system? Do they get tax breaks? The list goes on and on. Look I'm all for individual responsibility and I think the woman on welfare with 15 children is an irresponsible member of society just like predatory corporations are and government could do a better job but we need corporate and individuals to be more responsible and good government that effectively helps us move toward the future and benefits everyone, not stupid fantasy anti-government rants about the good old days that never really were.

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Quote rigel1:
Quote Sprinklerfitter:

Have you guys ever noticed when a repugnut gets elected one of the first things they always do is cut education funds?......Wonder Why?

IMO......I'd say an educated work force is a direct threat to them.

Great News!!!!!! You no longer need to wonder. I will happily explain. My wife is an educator. No need for you to make a paranoid guess.

There is tons of money waste in the educational system. We hate to see our money wasted. The percentage of money spent on education is much higher now then it was in the past. Yet our children seem to be getting less educated. Some inner city schools spend much more money per student than the suburban schools. Yet their results are worse. So common sense would indicate that it ain't all about money. Blindly throwing tons of cash into a busted educationl system has done zip.

You see, it is not quite as sinister as you fear. And now you know the rest of the story.

I see you continue to peddle your right wing lies and dirvel.

I am a proud union teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District and EVERYTHING you speak of is a straight out lie or misinformation. I also was a student in LAUSD from 1st through 6th grade and have seen how cuts have devastated public schools in California first hand as both a student and educator.

I don't know where your wife teaches (if that is even the truth) but I guarantee you her mistaken sentiments are in the minority of educators accross the nation.

Knowing your propensity to lie and misinform I honestly don't believe that you have a wife who is a educator but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you really have a educator wife, she is sadly mistaken and ignorant of the reality of public education in this country.

I think you need to be educated as you are either completely ignorant or deliberately lying like most conservatives but I'll let you in on one small fact.

There is a reason why so-called inner city schools perform poorer than their suburban counterparts and it is a social problem known as inequality and poverty.

The single biggest factor that determines how well a student will perform in school is directly correlated with the level of income of the household the child grows up in, plain and simple.

You want children to perform better in school? Then begin by making society more equitable and not spewing out your lies and right wing bullshit.

As I said, if your wife does indeed teach children her ignorance of such a basic concept tells me that she is not qualified to teach a dog to shit in the right part of the yard.

I'll say it again: You are a liar.

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I see you continue to peddle your right wing lies and dirvel.

I am a proud union teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District and EVERYTHING you speak of is a straight out lie or misinformation. I also was a student in LAUSD from 1st through 6th grade and have seen how cuts have devastated public schools in California first hand as both a student and educator.

I don't know where your wife teaches (if that is even the truth) but I guarantee you her mistaken sentiments are in the minority of educators accross the nation.

Knowing your propensity to lie and misinform I honestly don't believe that you have a wife who is a educator but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you really have a educator wife, she is sadly mistaken and ignorant of the reality of public education in this country.

I think you need to be educated as you are either completely ignorant or deliberately lying like most conservatives but I'll let you in on one small fact.

There is a reason why so-called inner city schools perform poorer than their suburban counterparts and it is a social problem known as inequality and poverty.

The single biggest factor that determines how well a student will perform in school is directly correlated with the level of income of the household the child grows up in, plain and simple.

You want children to perform better in school? Then begin by making society more equitable and not spewing out your lies and right wing bullshit.

As I said, if your wife does indeed teach children her ignorance of such a basic concept tells me that she is not qualified to teach a dog to shit in the right part of the yard.

I'll say it again: You are a liar.

Good Lord what an awful post, yet sadly and not surprisingly, the attitudes exhibited here are indicative of the tyranny of the teachers union that has held most of America, and in particular California hostage for decades.

http://www.fatih.edu.tr/~hugur/study_hard/Why%20do%20South%20Korean%20st...

Read this research document Dominic and you will find it is you who is mistaken about a great number of things. I wouldn't really be so eager if I was you to start cursing and calling everyone a liar until you read it. Basically it talks about the success of South Korean students compared to US students and how they are VASTLY more impoverished than even the worst inner city schools in some Democrat hellhole. Doesn't really hold water for your alleged correlation between socio economic status and test scores does it?

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Quote Dominic C:

I see you continue to peddle your right wing lies and dirvel.

I am a proud union teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District and EVERYTHING you speak of is a straight out lie or misinformation. I also was a student in LAUSD from 1st through 6th grade and have seen how cuts have devastated public schools in California first hand as both a student and educator.

I don't know where your wife teaches (if that is even the truth) but I guarantee you her mistaken sentiments are in the minority of educators accross the nation.

Knowing your propensity to lie and misinform I honestly don't believe that you have a wife who is a educator but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you really have a educator wife, she is sadly mistaken and ignorant of the reality of public education in this country.

I think you need to be educated as you are either completely ignorant or deliberately lying like most conservatives but I'll let you in on one small fact.

There is a reason why so-called inner city schools perform poorer than their suburban counterparts and it is a social problem known as inequality and poverty.

The single biggest factor that determines how well a student will perform in school is directly correlated with the level of income of the household the child grows up in, plain and simple.

You want children to perform better in school? Then begin by making society more equitable and not spewing out your lies and right wing bullshit.

As I said, if your wife does indeed teach children her ignorance of such a basic concept tells me that she is not qualified to teach a dog to shit in the right part of the yard.

I'll say it again: You are a liar.

Good Lord what an awful post, yet sadly and not surprisingly, the attitudes exhibited here are indicative of the tyranny of the teachers union that has held most of America, and in particular California hostage for decades.

http://www.fatih.edu.tr/~hugur/study_hard/Why%20do%20South%20Korean%20st...

Read this research document Dominic and you will find it is you who is mistaken about a great number of things. I wouldn't really be so eager if I was you to start cursing and calling everyone a liar until you read it. Basically it talks about the success of South Korean students compared to US students and how they are VASTLY more impoverished than even the worst inner city schools in some Democrat hellhole. Doesn't really hold water for your alleged correlation between socio economic status and test scores does it?

"2.1. Which country spends more money on education?

Based on national data, Paik reports that educational costs in South Korea are

generally lower than in the US, but South Korean educational productivity proves to

be both effective and efficient. Paik substantiates this by reporting that South Korea

only devotes 4.5% of the GNP to education compared to 7.5% in the US. In

addition, the US spends about $6000 (US) per student, whereas Korea spends $2000

(US) per student. However, this economic comparison may mislead readers in two

respects. The first is in terms of the actual spending costs per student. The second is

the way the money is allocated when comparing public and private costs. Simple

mathematical calculations show that South Korea spends less money per student.

610 Y. Hwang / Int. J. Educ. Res. 35 (2001) 609–618However, if we include the cost of private education (e.g., private lessons, afterschool private institutions), the figure is quite different. According to a study

conducted in 1998 by the Korean Education Development Institute (KEDI), about

half (49%) of the total education costs come from the family (PEC, 1998). This

means that South Korea actually devotes 9% of the GNP to education compared to

7.5% in the US. An average of 16.5% of a South Korean family’s income is used to

provide their middle school child with private schooling. For example, a family

consisting of two parents and two children spends one-third of their total income on

private costs for education.

OECD statistics from 2001 also report more spending in private education

in South Korea. While the US spent 6.4% (4.8% in public and 1.6% in

private institutions) of the GDP on education, Korea spent 7.0% (4.1% in

public and 3.0% in private institutions) of the GDP (OECD, 2001a, p. 169).

Expenditures on educational institutions as a percentage of GDP are 3.74 for

the US and 3.95 for Korea (OECD, 2001b, p. 79). Although statistics show that the

total per student costs of US public schools are higher, it is important to note that

many unreported educational costs do come out-of-pocket from South Korean

parents.

In addition, allocated expenses at the local level between the two countries are not

as apparent except perhaps for class size. For example, South Korean class sizes are

typically much larger than the average American class size and may contribute to

increased savings. However, most South Korean schools have been recently

equipped with new technologies that may inflate total spending costs. This

technological advancement does not seem as apparent in most US schools, especially

in urban districts. Thus, spending costs associated with education in the two

countries may be quite similar when taking into consideration educational costs at

the local level, especially within the classroom, as well as parental contributions to

finance education."

Apparently you do not know how to read something that you claim to have knowledge about.

I just pasted a excerpt from the above study and it REFUTES your point. It talks about how Korea actually allocates a LARGER share of GDP on education as a whole than the U.S. and NOT less. Your claim is false or more correctly a LIE.

If you don't want me to call you a liar, quit lying.

Take it from a teacher and learn how to read before you make a idiotic comment but of course since I'm dealing with a right wing radical, I probably expect too much.

Also, this study has absolutely NOTHING to do with the statement I made regarding academic performance and levels of income within a society and US society specifically. There are numerous studies that have shown clearly that parental income levels are the greatest predictor of a given student's academic success but you conservatives will not accept that because it goes against your core philosophy that societal factors don't affect individual outcomes which only a fool will believe. You fight against any evidence that would suggest we need to have a lesser disparity in wealth.

Also you conveniently leave out this part:

"However, most South Korean schools have been recently

equipped with new technologies that may inflate total spending costs. This

technological advancement does not seem as apparent in most US schools, especially

in urban districts."

This is what I exactly mean by conservatives lying and misleading. Which one are you doing?

Get your damn facts straight before you hurl accusations or are you just a liar who thinks people will not check your so-called facts?

Your entire post is essentially a Koch brothers right wing talking point lie.

You're a liar. I'm not going to be polite and beat around the bush because I know a liar when I see one and I'm calling you out.

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Here are studies that support my claims on the realtionship between SES and academic performance.

Oh and I'm not going to lie or deliberatley mis-characterize the study like you Calperson.

http://www.mikemcmahon.info/ParentEducationIncome.pdf

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/bul/91/3/461/

http://soar.wichita.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/10057/616/Barry_Jennifer.pdf?sequence=1

I could go on and on since there are so many studies that support my position but of course it would not matter to people like you, rigel1, or any of the other radical right wing extremists that post and peddle their lies here.

The bottom line is that you, rigel1, and the rest of your ilk are not only wrong, but are flat out liars and deliberate misrepresenters of facts.

I'm not going to sugar coat anything and I know that irritates you conservative liars more than anything.

I consider you people hating me and being annoyed by me as a definite badge of honor. If you people are annoyed by me or outraged by me, I know I am doing somethng right.

No amount of fact will ever change the minds or the sadistic agenda you right wingers have and I am not trying to do that. I am merely here to call you on your lies and cheating.

You people are the biggest enemy of the middle class and poor and I intend to treat you as such.

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Thank you Dominic C for your information and comments. I have given up on commenting on Rigel1, Calperson, etc. Hoping if they are ignored they will go away.I have noticed that Calperson will comment on his own entries to get them on the popular list. I am sure his 1% masters on looking for his/ her posts on the popular lists for thier Christmas bonus.

I have noticed in their closed conservative minds that they will not let facts interfer with their beliefs or the orders from their masters.The biggest issue with that portion of 1% who's focus is too make as much money as posible is they think they can safely moved to another country when they have destroyed this country.

From a previous post

"It continues to amaze me that the tea party wrap themselves in the cloak of Christianity when they cut aid to the poor, complain about the poor not paying more taxes, I wonder how or where they expect the poor to come up with more money. Do they want to bring back indentured servitude? Bring back Debtor’s prisons? Do they want the world that Dickens described in “A Christmas Carol” Have they forgotten Matthew 25:31-46? Or have they taken Jonathan Swifts “A Modest Proposal“.

"At the end of the day even on April 15th, I am thankful for things that this country provides. For those that think the poor have too much please go to your nearest Indian Reservation, villages and towns in the Appalachians, the bayous of Louisiana. Go into the homes and tell the people what piece of food, or mattress they can do without. Also help them understand why their children must have a sub standard education since they can’t afford a computer or the internet so they are always behind their class mates who have those things.

Before Cal Person, Katshores, Valperson and all the other fox bloggers who restate the current fox talking points. Please let me know when you have visited with the poor and what you have done to help these people besides paying your taxes."

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Y'all need to relax a little on the personal attacks. Remember: there are persons who READ these message boards but do not POST. They are the audience. It is sufficient to demonstrate that the argument of your opponent is weak or false. It is not a matter of persuading your opponent. It is a matter of persuading the audience.

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Y'all need to relax a little on the personal attacks. Remember: there are persons who READ these message boards but do not POST. They are the audience. It is sufficient to demonstrate that the argument of your opponent is weak or false. It is not a matter of persuading your opponent. It is a matter of persuading the audience.

Chill I understand your sentiment regarding the ad hominems but I am just calling what I see without trying to be polite, politically correct, or sugar coat something.

These posters deliberately lie and lislead andit is vitally IMPORTANT to call them exactly what they are no matter how bad it seems to sound.

A liar is a liar and nothing changes that and it should be noted loud and clear. I have spoken here of how I have been irritated for decades over how thinkers and pundits from the left have been so worried about how they look and to take the so-called moral high ground no matter hell or highwater and continually bend backwards to avoid saying things that are the truth to avoid looking this way or that.

That exact strategy is what has allowed the far right to continually push their agenda as liberals cowered and would practically avoid criticizing or calling the right out in fear of offending people and all that did was legitimize the right even more. The right used the power of bullying to legitimize and further their agenda and all the left did for 30 years was watch and try to be polite when they should have been calling the liars what they are. By not calling them what they are and outing their lies as such, liberals never could articulate a message other than a eggheaded ego stroking high-road one that most people did not understand and did not resonate with most people.

Basically that pussyfooted "nice" strategy just turned more people off and hence the "spineless Democrat" image was seared into the American public's mind.

Like I said, I do not take that approach and gladly will call liars and enemies what they are because the truth ultimately has the most power and speaks the loudest NO MATTER the form it is delivered in. If you're scared to speak the truth because it may upset this person or that, then you may as well not speak at all.

I'd rather listen to the truth no matter how crudley or tactlessly it is delivered than a compromised message that is delivered in a nice neat little package that won't offend anybody.

It's time that progressives get a little mean streak and punch these liars and crooks right in the mouth. The schoolyard bully never backs down until somebody fights back and whips their ass.

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Y'all need to relax a little on the personal attacks. Remember: there are persons who READ these message boards but do not POST. They are the audience. It is sufficient to demonstrate that the argument of your opponent is weak or false. It is not a matter of persuading your opponent. It is a matter of persuading the audience.

Chill I understand your sentiment regarding the ad hominems but I am just calling what I see without trying to be polite, politically correct, or sugar coat something.

These posters deliberately lie and lislead andit is vitally IMPORTANT to call them exactly what they are no matter how bad it seems to sound.

A liar is a liar and nothing changes that and it should be noted loud and clear. I have spoken here of how I have been irritated for decades over how thinkers and pundits from the left have been so worried about how they look and to take the so-called moral high ground no matter hell or highwater and continually bend backwards to avoid saying things that are the truth to avoid looking this way or that.

That exact strategy is what has allowed the far right to continually push their agenda as liberals cowered and would practically avoid criticizing or calling the right out in fear of offending people and all that did was legitimize the right even more. The right used the power of bullying to legitimize and further their agenda and all the left did for 30 years was watch and try to be polite when they should have been calling the liars what they are. By not calling them what they are and outing their lies as such, liberals never could articulate a message other than a eggheaded ego stroking high-road one that most people did not understand and did not resonate with most people.

Basically that pussyfooted "nice" strategy just turned more people off and hence the "spineless Democrat" image was seared into the American public's mind.

Like I said, I do not take that approach and gladly will call liars and enemies what they are because the truth ultimately has the most power and speaks the loudest NO MATTER the form it is delivered in. If you're scared to speak the truth because it may upset this person or that, then you may as well not speak at all.

I'd rather listen to the truth no matter how crudley or tactlessly it is delivered than a compromised message that is delivered in a nice neat little package that won't offend anybody.

It's time that progressives get a little mean streak and punch these liars and crooks right in the mouth. The schoolyard bully never backs down until somebody fights back and whips their ass.

I like your attitude and views towards republicans Dominic even though chilidog is correct. I looked at this board off and on probably a year before I joined. You can't reason with people that have no intentions of reasoning with you. The dems in washington need to remember this or put someone in charge who will. Your last sentence is so right on the money and it reminds me why I could never be a politician plus I have ethics and values something most of them don't have and never will.

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Chilidog, I understand your comment but in West Virginia, we are dealing with the first couple of weeks of really cold weather. We are lucky that we haven't seen the first death of hypothermia but with the cuts in home heating oil, they will be coming if the weather continues to run cold. Families are now facing tough choices between food, heat, prescriptions, doctors visits, fuel for the car, and what little Christmas they will get to celebrate.

When you deal all day with the folks that struggling to get by, it is difficult not to want to throttle those people? Who repeat the sound bites from FOX about the lazy poor, and other such stuff? Or if they just up on their holier than thou attitude, I have to wonder if they have read Matthew 25 or not.

Also these folks continue to spew the idea that we need to socialize the debts that the banks got themselves in by the derivatives market and subprime loans while they want the individuals to suffer for bad luck and decisions.

At some point you have to stop them and ask them to look in an honest mirror. If they claim to be Christian are they trying to follow Christ? Are they caring for their fellow man?

Ask them if they have honestly seen and meet with the people that they are attacking and want to walk off the plank? The reason 47% don't pay Federal Income taxes but they still pay state taxes like WV state income tax. Because they don't have any money to spare, they buy used tires, cars, etc. They are just hanging on.

On top of all these issues, they then talk about the war on Christmas. Where is their Christmas Spirit? Where is their Charity?

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We already know that the Keystone XL pipeline is a disaster waiting to happen. But, it turns out that the impact of that tar sands pipeline could be even worse than we thought. According to a new study by the Stockholm Environmental Institute, Keystone could add four times more carbon pollution to our atmosphere than the State Department originally estimated.

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