The republican party has been working at dismantling Obama's presidency AND the affordable health care act steadily for 3 years through the use of false and misleading propaganda and they co-opted the term "Obama Care" in part of those efforts.
#1. If you do an internet search for "Obama care" you will mostly find loads and loads of dishonest, misleading and derogatory information related to that search topic.
#2. If you do an internet search for "the affordable health care act" you will mostly find factual, undistorted information on the topic.
The term "Obama Care" also infers that Obama is trying to "take care" of the american people. This can be taken (or mistaken) as an insult by many in suggesting that they should require that Obama has to "take care of them". In this sense the term can easily be taken as being derogatory. This is especially true for those who already oppose the notion of force feeding from a "big daddy government".
Adopting the term Obama Care will add confusion to those who are uninformed if they do an internet search on the topic using the phrase Obama Care. Frank Luntz and the republican wordsmith machine know this and I think they have put allot of effort into redefining and adding confusion to understanding the affordable healthcare act by co-opting and defining the name "Obama Care".
I think democrats are playing right into the hands of the republican propagandists if they choose to consistently call the affordable health care act "Obama Care". Good Luck with that...
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The fascists will call it Obamacare whether we do or not, and their media flunkies will call it Obamacare whether we do or not.
Anyone running for any public office will have to position himself on the issue. If the Affordable Care Act works it will be postive to call it Obamacare, and if it doesn't calling it Obamacare will give people room to distance themselves.
What would you two prefer to call a bad expansion of more intrusive big government into the lives of the American people? The PPACA was designed and pushed through the legislature by big pharma and big insurance. It will not improve the delivery of healthcare in this country. It will, however, add to the bottomlines of the big pharma and insurance giants.
Why have 1231 companies (McDonald's) with over 4 million people been given waivers from PPACA?
In his book (which he no longer refers to) Audacity of Hope, Obummer, stated that the government already pays for 80% of the cost of medical care and insurance pays for only 20%. Big insurance has put the majority of the cost of medical care on the backs of the taxpayers while still keeping the profits. With them pushing PPACA, do you think it will be better? I do not think so.
The problems with healthcare exist as they are today because of too much government involvement in that field. It is the same with everything that big government is involved in.
It is unbelievable how many people still think it is up to big brother to take care of them.
Everyone that uses the VA that I know love it. It's efficient and cheaper than privately run healthcare. Medicare works. Why do people still cling to the idea that anything involving the government increases costs and reduces benefits when in reality it's the opposite in most cases. Big brother is not there to take care of anyone. It is however supposed to be looking after every citizens rights and liberties. When they allow a "free market" to charge it's citizens 20 percent of their income for healthcare then they aren't doing a very good job.
Wacker- It is GOVERNMENT that pays veterans healthcare! It is not a question of the quality of care, it is who pays for it. And I am not against veterans getting all the medical care they need at no cost to them. They have earned it!
Is quality healthcare a right or a privledge? For some it is treated as a right that is paid for by the taxpayers. Yet, for some of those same taxpayers it is treated as a privlege that they have to face bankruptcy to get that care.
Are you talking about 20% of their income for healthcare or 20% of it going to an overcharging insurance giant?
We need to go to a single payer system but PPACA does NOT do that. It merely expands the current system where the government pays for 80% of the cost ,while giant insurance profits off of the remaining 20% it does pay.
This has nothing to do with the quality of care that can be given IF one can afford it or the ridiculous insurance premiums.
This is a Republic. We get to vote on it. We can have it however we want. I want it to be a right.
Well, somebody has to PAY for it whichever way we want it. So, the problem becomes, if some get to treat it as a right, paid for by government (the taxpayer) yet that same taxpayer having to pay for his own medical care out of his pocket (which is impossible for 99% ) or pay insurance premiums equal to 20% of his income to a giant insurance for the privledge of getting that same medical care that some get to treat as a right.
I don't remember getting to vote on PPACA. Since big pharma and insurance are behind "obamacare" one can be confident that the designs of the program are for the maximization of their bottomline. I pay an insurance premiums betting I will get sick and they take my premiums betting I won't. Who has more money?
PPACA is merely expanding the "customer" base from which premiums can either be extracted from taxpayers or the government for big pharma's and insurances"s profit and while continuing to put the 80% government pays on the backs of taxpayers.
Bullwinkle, society has to pay for it one way or not.
Cost will depend on outcome and possible payback to society will depend on outcome
Society elects not to provide care
a. If the person dies, you have to pay for disposal of the body, and care of any of the survivors especially if there are minor children because you limited access to reproductive services. Minor off spring may become a permanent burden if they become criminals to survive. If society chose to pay for housing and education, they become useful citizens and aspire to be janitors
b. If the person survives but is disabled due to complications from lack of care, society loses much of the productivity of the person. Again in dispersion, they may turn to crime to provide for themselves and family.
c. Person survives without disability; society only loses a small period of productivity. But the person may still be forced into bankruptcy to pay medical bills. Approximately 1/3 of bankruptcies are due to medical bills.
If you happened to be in France or society elects to pay for medical care
a. Ideal result - Society has preventive medicine programs which include life style education and choice so disease is prevented.
b. When a person becomes ill, they receive prompt care and loss in productivity is minimized and the outcome of disability is reduced.
Crime and bankruptcy is reducing since you have removed a major reason for bankruptcy is removed.
Therefore in the long term, it benefits society to have paid medical for short term costs. Unfortunately, the current business climate is favor of short term gains and ignores long term costs which are another problem with the unregulated free market system. Regulation aids companies in thinking long term.
Medical care like, a healthy environment is a long term cost which can be ignored in favor of short term profit.
Four significant things the affordable care act does are;
1) force insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions
2) force insurers to use at least 80% of profits to actually pay for coverage
3) provide coverage for all americans
4) begin the step toward eventually becoming a single payer not for profit system.
See Forbes Article ; "The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today-Hallelujah!" http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/
Which is it?
Spin one:
Progressives know you republicans want to continue to use our emergency rooms for free health care and then stick us hard working liberals with the bill. Well guess what? Your free lunch is over. You republicans are going to have to learn to stand on your own two feet. Don't be frightened, we liberals will show you how.
Spin two:
You'd think that republicans would be doing back flips of joy due to Obama Care citing that those "lazy" liberals will no longer be able to sponge off of the taxpayer by using our emergency rooms for free health care.
Synopsis: Well which one is it? Do republicans even know? They just mindlessly spew whatever the right wing media tells them.
Would it be better if we called it The "Joe Leiberman Golden Egg to Health Insurance Companies " Joe Lieberman, for whatever reason made sure that public option was dropped. The Affordable Health Care Act (AHCA) is much better than what existed before in that it begins to regulate the freedom of big insurance companies to pick and choose their customers and to deny them coverage or drop them whenever they please. However it is my understanding that they may still drop their customers when they are too sick and unable to pay their premiums on time. It is a terribly flawed law because it contains too many compromises. the AHCA had to be watered down to get jerks like Joe Lieberman to agree to let it pass through congress, even though the Democrats, at that time held a majority in both houses. Joe Lieberman is an ardent supporter of the current apartheid regime in Israel. Perhaps he should go to Israel and lobby the Israeli government to do away with the socialist medicine programs there, since we American taxpayers are supporting their socialized health care system with our foreign aid.
Discaimer: I love the Jewish people, but I can not condone the lies, deceptions, and actions of the current totalitarian apartheid regime in Israel.
It doesnt matter what we call in it in 2014, when the wave of single payer starts the end of for-profit primary health insurance in America.
Rcon- Under obamacare SOME will still get to treat it as a right with the government/taxpayer paying for that right, while that taxpayer is forced to buy insurance or face penalties and/or bankruptcy. Big insurance and big pharma designed and backed obamacare. They are not going to provide medical coverage for free or without a profit! It is not going to be the big panacea progressives/liberals think it will be.
Recon-" If society chose to pay for housing and education, they become useful citizens and aspire to be janitors"
The ones I have seen through my business continue to live in government paid for/subsidized housing and quit free public education and continue for generations to live off the taxpayers.
Recon-"If you happened to be in France or society elects to pay for medical care"
France faces a political and economic crisis. It has an immigrant population with no economic opportunity or political outlet to vent its frustration. It has a population with a 10 percent unemployment rate that often numbers close to 40 percent for young immigrants. Like other nations France, is wrestling with runaway health-care inflation. That has led to some hefty tax hikes, and France is now considering U.S.-style health-maintenance organization tactics to rein in costs.
Chris- Insurance ain't gonna do it for free!
Dave-" The Affordable Health Care Act (AHCA) is much better than what existed before in that it begins to regulate the freedom of big insurance companies to pick and choose their customers and to deny them coverage or drop them whenever they please.
Big insurance and pharma designed obamacare! What does that tell you?
Doc- That remains to be seen.
To remain competitive in health care today, there has been a rush for corporate growth in health care. This includes both entrepreneurial for-profit hospitals, as well as not-for-profits and educational hospital systems. Therefore, this corporatization process has resulted in the fall of the voluntary (not-for-profit) entity in healthcare.
Our healthcare system is in trouble today because we have consistently ignored market-oriented solutions and instead sought out policies based on public finance and top-down regulation. And yet,we are on the cusp of instituting nationalized healthcare despite the fact that the baby boom generation is beginning to retire and both Social Security and Medicare are staring down the barrel of insolvency.
Market solutions being ignored? Hardly. There is not way to make that model work, but what Congress and the Right have always pushed has been an entitlement subsidy for "health insurance privateers" who offer no value added but lots of money extracted for what we could get for ourselves with Single Payer. Obama faced the political fact that he could not get single payer in the current Congress, and he took the modest improvements made in the Afordable Care Act even though his hypocrite critics called it "Obamacare."
Politically, it makes sense to claim the modest but important gains because it has helped many people have the healthcare they need. It also begins to set limits on the entitlement booty extracted by the pirates of health insurance. I would make them walk the plank, but they have too many powerful friends on the Right and tons of cash to pollute elections. Sometimes you have to go slow to let the light dawn where the media clouds the sky.
If you want to control costs in healthcare, you should end private drug companies as our major pharm suppliers and do our own insurance in Single Payer. If meds were developed, produced and used for public health priorities, "the market" forces would be appropriately reflected. When it is distorted by profits, baldness and erections become more important than typhoid or pandemics. The idea that government cannot be efficient, effective and democratic is too cynical to care about. No government is not the answer to bad government, and for the latter, we have the GOPimps to blame. I cannot find a Republican left who will stand up against the financialists who run them.
DRC-"Politically, it makes sense to claim the modest but important gains because it has helped many people have the healthcare they need. "
It hasn't even gone into effect yet.
DRC-" Obama faced the political fact that he could not get single payer in the current Congress, and he took the modest improvements made in the Afordable Care Act even though his hypocrite critics called it "Obamacare."
Then why did he take it off the table before it was even brought before Congress. Could it have been because big pharma and insurance pull his strings too?
DRC-"It also begins to set limits on the entitlement booty extracted by the pirates of health insurance."
How, DRC? Explain that. What it does is merely expand the existing pool for big insurance. And that pool will be made up of the younger people that don't require as much medical care as older people. Therefore profits are up.
I just got this e-mail,
?;? Medicare Premium Increase Look carefully at the 2014 rate compared to the 2013 rate.For those of you who are on Medicare, read the following. It's short, but important and you probably haven't heard about it in the Mainstream News:
"The per person Medicare Insurance Premium will increase from the present Monthly Fee of
$96.40, rising to:
$104.20 in 2012
$120.20 in 2013
And
$247.00 in 2014."
These are Provisions incorporated in the Obamacare Legislation, purposely delayed so as not to confuse the 2012 Re-Election Campaigns. Send this to all Seniors that you know, so they will know who's throwing them under the bus.
REMEMBER THIS IN NOVEMBER 2012 AND VOTE!!!----------------------------------------------------------------------------From now through November 2012 this should be required weekly or at least monthly, Reading ?? BY ALL WHO VOTE!!!
Did you notice who Obama threatened when he wasn't getting his way on raising the debt ceiling? He threatened to not pay:Social Security Retirees, Military Retirees, Social Security disability and Federal Retirees.
Now... Let this sink in really good --
He did not threaten to stop payments to illegal aliens.
He did not threatened to take frivolous benefits such as Internet access away from violent inmates.
He did not offer to fire some of the thousands of unnecessary federal employees that he hired.
He did not offer to cut down on his or his wife's frivolous gallivanting around.
He did not threaten to not pay the senators and representatives or any of their staff.
He did not threaten to take benefits away from welfare recipients.
He did not threaten the food stamp programs.
He did not threaten to not pay foreign aid.
He did not threaten to cut back on anything that involves his base voters.
The list could go on and on. He is in full political re-election mode!
Votes can stop him.
LET'S MAKE 2012 -- THE END OF AN ERROR!!
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The reason the premiums are rising is that the Right makes real healthcare reform impossible, so we get a "liberal Republican" private insurance based program which extends coverage and ends some of the worst practices. The price is paying the pirates to take the money without the rape and murder.
Your politics are really ugly if your bold blasts are serious. Bull is the appropriate tag. But "winkle" is not the appropriate suffix.
If it is so flawed with Right ,liberal repulsive private insurance based reform that unCConstitutionally forces some to purchase a product, then why did the pres sign it? Why didn't he just appiont another czar to force his idea of healthcare on people. Oh, wait , could it have been because he is so compromising, he took single payer (which I am not opposed to) off the table before it came up. Rather pass bad legislation than no legislation, right? Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!
I'll take single payer.
Of course by the time anything kicks in it won't help me.