A caller brought up the hypocrisy of Israel's aggression towards Iran regarding nukes since Israel has nukes, but I was surprised Thom neglected to add that, besides having nukes, Israel developed them secretly and illegally--exactly the basis of their complaint against Iran. And what's more, US policy is hypocritical since they did nothing to stop Israel even though they were fully aware and there was even assistance from the US.
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If the US was aware and assisted Israel in developing their nukes then they were neither secret or illegal. Big oil and the military industrial complex oversees the activities of the middle east. We (the US, Britain, and the rest of Europe (France, Germany etc) are going to let Israel attack Iran and then if Iran retaliates, we will use that as an excuse to invade Iran just like we did Iraq.
You see, when Iraq sold their crude oil for *fiat* euros instead of fiat dollars, the U.S. corporate/government collusion punished Iraq with *nine years *of invasion. Iran is preparing to sell its crude oil for *gold* rather than fiat dollars. Relatively speaking, selling oil for fiat currencies is a misdemeanor; selling oil for gold is a felony. God only knows what our corproate/governemtn collusion will do to Iran.
I understand about the Euro petrodollars being the impetus for the US government's about-face with their pet dictator in Iraq, but I still say Israel developed their nukes secretly and illegally. Neither the US nor Israel will admit to their existence, and they obviously never submitted the proper applications to do so. If you ask an Israeli official if they have nukes, they will deny it. I've also witnessed US diplomats squirm like hemorrhoid sufferers in their seats when a reporter asks about it and the diplomat has to answer without saying "nuclear weapons" and "Israel" in the same sentence. Obama has never said it... and Us officials and diplomats are forbidden from discussing or mentioning Israeli nukes, thus making them an official secret... that's hardly legal. If they were to acknowledge what everyone knows it would take the wind out of their sails as far as taking actions against Iran are concerned. I personally think the only way to negotiate with Iran to truly cease and desist their nuclear pursuits would be to hold Israel accountable for their secret and illegal nukes.
IMO-What we (the US) needs to do is get the hell out of that part of the world and mind our own business. That is the US government needs to quit doing the bidding for the giant oil companies and enriching the industrial military complex with our constant warmongering and occupation of sovereign countries. But that is probably not going to happen as it does not fit into the NWO agenda of a one world government and one world fiat currency for the benefit of the corporatist elite and the banksters.
With the sanctions against Iran being agreed to by Britain, Germany and France (all huge purchasers of Iranian oil) , Iran has developed a plan to sell its oil and related petroleum exports to India, China and Japan in exchange for gold. The fiat US dollar has been the oil trading currency for decades and to replace a major portion of that with gold would devastate the dollars value as the worlds leading currency. The NWO banksters are not going to let that happen. So as a pretense to protecting Irael from a nuclear Iran, they and us are going to war with them. This will protect the NWO banksters plans and help continuing to enrich big oil and the military industrail complex. And let Israel further establish (for our benefit also) military dominace in that area.
AS Patrick Cockburn wrote,"The emergence of the cretinous neo-conservative cult is just a symptom of a deeper moral corruption coursing through the dominant institutions and structures of American society. The body politic is rotting from the head."
Well it had to happen sooner or later......I agree with most of your post....Now where did you come up with selling oil for gold is a felony?........Link?
Now where did you come up with selling oil for gold is a felony?........Link?
Didn't you just post a blog citing a "Study links low intelligence with right-wing beliefs"
Sheesh.
Yes I did post that so do you have a link or not? I'm feeling kinda lazy this morning and don't feel like looking for an answer to whether it's bullshit or not but I'm leaning left thinking this is just another bullshit filled comment from one of this boards wingnut trollers....,
BTW....Did you like the other post?.....It's about folks that are just like you.....Birds of a feather...Eh?
Ben-Menashe is the Israeli intelligence officier that revealed the Reagan Iranian deal for hostages and Vanunu is the Israeli intelligence officer that told of the existence of Israel's nuculear weapons. There is much documentation in article with links.
Ben-Menashe identified himself as an intelligence officer who was part of an Israeli-Republican operation that met with Iranian emissaries in Paris in October 1980. A deal was struck behind Carter’s back, Ben-Menashe said, to make sure the hostages were held until the incumbent president was defeated. Among the participants, Ben-Menashe said, was George H.W. Bush, the former CIA director and then Republican vice presidential nominee.
As it turned out, the hostages were not released until just after Reagan was sworn in as the new U.S. president on Jan. 20, 1981, and after Bush had taken the oath as vice president....
Amid this intense campaign of vilification against Ben-Menashe, the press ignored an obvious precedent to his flight to Australia. Five years earlier, Israeli nuclear technician Mordechai Vanunu had arrived in Sydney, Australia, with photographs and a story about a secret Israeli nuclear reactor for producing atomic bombs at a desert site, Dimona.
Rather than investigate on its own, a Sydney newspaper encouraged Vanunu to head for London, where he was told that a sister journal would check out the facts before revealing his story to the world. For Vanunu, it proved to be a disastrous option.
After arriving in London – and laying out his evidence of Israel’s secret nuclear weapons program to the Rupert Murdoch-owned London Sunday Times – Vanunu was enticed to Rome by an attractive woman only to find himself ensnared in a “honey trap.” The woman turned out to be a Mossad agent. The would-be whistleblower was drugged, kidnapped and forcibly returned to Israel.
The London Sunday Times did make use of Vanunu’s evidence in a major exposé on Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. However, Vanunu faced trial for leaking Israeli government secrets. He was found guilty and was sentenced to 18 years imprisonment. It was not until 2004 that Vanunu was released into house arrest although continuing to have his movements and communications restricted and closely monitored.
Ben-Menashe’s case had many parallels to Vanunu’s experience, especially after he began talking to Hersh about Israel’s nuclear arsenal. Ben-Menashe even confided that he feared he would be “Vanunued” – that is, seized and returned to Israel to face a long prison term.
http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/iran-to-sell-crude-oil-for-gold/
http://www.forexcrunch.com/gold-for-oil-india-and-iran-ditch-dollar-report/
I don't think it is a felony by law , but it sure seems to piss the NWO elites of the US and western Europe off. Look what happened to Hussein and the people of Iraq.
If you want to really understand how big corporations operate and control the US gubment, read John Perkin's "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."
Yes I did post that so do you have a link or not?
O. M. G. !!!!
http://adask.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/iran-to-sell-crude-oil-for-gold/
http://www.forexcrunch.com/gold-for-oil-india-and-iran-ditch-dollar-report/
I don't think it is a felony by law , but it sure seems to piss the NWO elites of the US and western Europe off. Look what happened to Hussein and the people of Iraq.
If you want to really understand how big corporations operate and control the US gubment, read John Perkin's "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man."
I didn't think it was true either but I didn't want to take the time and look it up dullwinkle. I've watched that movie atleast three times now. I believe the Movie South of the Border might be a follow-up to that one since they ran the SOB's out of their countries. Our government is so corrupt it ain't funny. I think we can agree on that.
The Mexican government is ultra corrupt at all levels. I have concluded that most governments of the world are corrupt and/or in collusion fostered by an unimaginably enormous greed. And pity those that get in their way. lol
Governments become corrupt because good people don't run for office. And can you blame them? Either you get assassinated if you do something good or they drag out or create a lot of dirt on you so you won't get elected.
I hate what I am about to say, but there is one important thing that we are all missing. China has 3 things, people and weapons and US dollars. And 2 things they do not have, food and oil. Where does China buy food? By the end of this decade nowhere. What will China do when they can no longer buy food? Send their soldiers out to get oil so that they can send their soldiers out to get food (using the tanks and planes and ships they built with US dollars, btw)
WW3 will be caused by America's failure to prevent the Chineese from starting WW3.
The Chinese have ample land area and water to supply its food needs. That is IF the government establishes the right policy to foster this. As far as preparing for its future energy needs, China has worked to offset excessive dependence on other countries, especially suppliers of energy and raw materials, by offering generous aid programs, transferring arms, investing in infrastructure and expanding exports. China imports about 20 percent of the Iranian oil and is 50 percent dependent on Middle Eastern oil. But it has been making deals for oil and gas with other countries such as Sudan, Venzuela, Brazil, Argentina, and Canada. They are also developing oil and gas fields in the South China Sea. Saudia Arabia is alredy China's largest supplier of oil at 1.12 million barrels a day.
Merkel was just there to beg for bail out capital for the bankrupt EU and try to get them to go along with the sanctions against Iran, which Bejing is less than enthusiastic about doing. In fact China is benefiting from all the turmoil being stirred up. They are able to negotiate better prices for Iranian oil as the US taxpayer is paying to keep the Straits of Hormuz shipping lanes open.
I have been saying for years that those little slnt eyed suckers are going to bite us in the ass one day. That day might come right after the US and Israel invade Iran.
A now deceased lawyer friend of mine, an avid supporter of gun ownership rights and one who owned many guns himself, used to say 'An armed society is a polite society'. If all the Middle Eastern countries were so nuclearly armed, would it be a 'more polite society'? One thing that I think it surely would mean is that the U.S. would be less likely to meddle into their business militarily....
The idea of Mutually Assured Destruction was always MADness, and all it takes is one suicidal nutcase martyr complex to assure the destruction of all. If we get out of the Nuclear Weapons power theory alive, it will be because we have awakened to the insanity, not because we have made them universal.
But, DRC, it did work in the Cold War, didn't it?
Now, if you are worried about all the mad Muslims getting ahold of some nukes for their own protection, who's being biased now, DRC?
I'm sorry, is that going to be another 'strawman argument' to you?
The relative duopoly of nukes was dangerous enough. Remember the Bay of Pigs? Did it work or were we just lucky to get out alive and have some hope of eliminating the suicidal option? Game is not over yet, so the score is not settled. I am not talking about any ethnic figure of fear, and most of the GOPimp Presidential Clown Parade could qualify as the nutcase in chief who would press the button and hope that God would be pleased with our Armaggeddon. The point is that the risk of an insane dicator with a nuke increases with the spread. It is a really stupid idea as the path to security.
I would prefer a diplomatic recognition of Iran's legitimate role in their region to the idea that only if they have a nuke will we respect them. With North Korea, we already have a nutcase in chief lineage. Do you want more of this?
Doesn't matter. I think it quite disingenuous to blame other nations for wanting nukes when the nation you live in has them. Maybe you ought to move to be consistent with your condescensions....you are judging other countries as not being 'as responsible as the U.S.' in possessing such dangerous weapons, aren't you? What capacity do you have to do that, DRC? We have 'less nut cases' than other countries? We have 'more responsible leaders' than other countries? What?
And, as North Korea indicates, it certainly does appear that those with the nukes are NOT the ones that the U.S. bullies around with military invasions, either...which was my entire point. 'An armed society is a polite society'. If you have nukes, the U.S. wouldn't dare invade....
Three things have assured an Israeli/US invasion of Iran. 1. The failure of economic hitmen to topple the current regime in Iran and bring about a more co-operative (US friendly) government. 2. The "perceived threat of a nuclear Iran. (Remember WMD in Iraq) 3. The Iranian plan to start trading oil for gold with India and China. Which will devistate the fiat US dollar. How this is going to play out will be interesting because Iranian oil is a matter of national security to China. WWIII?
http://www.batr.org/view/012912.html
And, the Chinese not only have one of the largest armies in the world--they have nukes. Good point, bullwinkle.....
If the US was aware and assisted Israel in developing their nukes then they were neither secret or illegal. Big oil and the military industrial complex oversees the activities of the middle east. We (the US, Britain, and the rest of Europe (France, Germany etc) are going to let Israel attack Iran and then if Iran retaliates, we will use that as an excuse to invade Iran just like we did Iraq.
You see, when Iraq sold their crude oil for *fiat* euros instead of fiat dollars, the U.S. corporate/government collusion punished Iraq with *nine years *of invasion. Iran is preparing to sell its crude oil for *gold* rather than fiat dollars. Relatively speaking, selling oil for fiat currencies is a misdemeanor; selling oil for gold is a felony. God only knows what our corproate/governemtn collusion will do to Iran.
eh. gods forbid that iran trade something of value for something of value.
Ya where are the unrestricted free trade types in regard to Iran. Is this not government restriction in the marketplace?
savage,"eh. gods forbid that iran trade something of value for something of value"
No, only He knows what our corporate controlled government has in store for the Iranians.
Congress and the American people were lied to about invading Iraq and look what they have had to endure. Look what Osassinator and his partners in crime (through NATO of course) did to Qadhafi when was in the process of implementing plans for a golden Dinar to replace the US dollar as the accepted payment for Libyan oil. What were we told as the reason for invading Lybia? Look what is happening there now.
Now it is Iran turn in the barrel, (pun intended)
If you all had been paying attention when Cheney tubed the diplomatic option with Iran and had Dubya declare them the chief part of the "axis of evil," you might appreciate the Iranian reaction to our invasion of Iraq and presence everywhere around them. We have fulfilled the most radical image of the Great Satan for the hardliners, and Obama has attempted to restart diplomacy despite the toxic past and continuing issues with Pakistan, etc.
Where Ahmadinajad was the leader of the radicals, he is now a 'moderate' calling for diplomacy instead of war. Obama has given the Petreus militarism its chance and now will move away from a demonstrated failed option in Afghanistan, and the Right will savage him for it, of course. He will continue to speak about our commitment to Israel while he attempts to persuade Israel to engage in diplomacy instead of warmongering rhetoric. He will be savaged by the Right for this too.
The tragic missed opportunities left in the wake of Cheney make Gore v. Bush even more terrible than it would have been as a domestic coup. We need to put the blame where it belongs instead of tagging Obama with blame for stuff that is politically impossible to erase. I doubt that Kucinich would have been able to make peace happen either, but his election would presume a different politics than is.
This is crazy on Israel's part. It's only a matter of time before there's a true civilian, democratic government established in Egypt. It's of overwhelming popular opinion that Israeli treatment of Palestinians is deplorable. Mubarak's been paid off by the US for years to secure the Egyptian border with Israel and now that's over. Embargos on Iran are just plain stupid. If the US actually thinks that it can stick they're delusional. China needs oil. Iran supplies China with oil. China holds hundreds of billions of our debt. We continue to let China buy hundreds of billions of our debt. In fact, we would be royaly screwed if China called in that debt. One might say China wouldn't do that because it would devastate their economy. Well, it would slow it down but, they purposfully slowed their own economy to control their rate of growth. The US needs to get Israel in line here because this has very real consequences. No amount of AIPAC campaign contributions are worth this.
Another good point, EddieVM. Not only do the Chinese have one of the largest standing armies and nukes, the Chinese own our debt. They can devastate us 'without firing a shot'....like the USSR used to say in the Cold War....