Greed gone wild. Post this on Thom's show

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rigel1
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I posted this in another topic, but it deserves a topic of its own.

Teacher layoffs? Not enough money for education?

 Union greed gone wild.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/buffalo-new-york-teachers-get-free-plastic-surgery_n_1306896.html

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DRC
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Sure, teachers should work

Sure, teachers should work for as little as you can squeeze out of them.  Great idea.  Go sit on your brains.

rigel1
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DRC wrote: Sure, teachers

DRC wrote:

Sure, teachers should work for as little as you can squeeze out of them.  Great idea.  Go sit on your brains.

I disagree totally. My wife works for the school system. Most of her friends are teachers. Great people, I love them. They should be compensated fairly. But expecting me to pay for their boob jobs may be just a tad bit over the top.

Where does your contempt for teachers come from?

 

Phaedrus76
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Greed gone wild? Does this

Greed gone wild? Does this include Kenny Boy Lay, Dick Cheney, a hunting lodge, Rush Limpaugh, a bottle of illegal Viagra and Oxcontin, and a suite filled with underage prostitutes?

rigel1
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Phaedrus76 wrote: Greed gone

Phaedrus76 wrote:

Greed gone wild? Does this include Kenny Boy Lay, Dick Cheney, a hunting lodge, Rush Limpaugh, a bottle of illegal Viagra and Oxcontin, and a suite filled with underage prostitutes?

Nope. Different subject for a different post. If you like, start a post on that topic and I will happily reply.

So how do you feel about teachers getting layed off so that other teachers can get free boob jobs? Just a tiny bit gross?

Phaedrus76
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Why do I need to choose

Why do I need to choose between less benefits or fewer teachers? How about we end unfair trade agreements, bring back unions, bring back tarrifs and bring back high income manufacturing jobs, AND we have more teachers, with larger breasts. 

But thanks for playing. 

Wait, really, what type of moron argues against larger breasts? What are you going to oppose next, good paying jobs? Oh wait, that is your stance...

rigel1
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Phaedrus76 wrote: Why do I

Phaedrus76 wrote:

Why do I need to choose between less benefits or fewer teachers? How about we end unfair trade agreements, bring back unions, bring back tarrifs and bring back high income manufacturing jobs, AND we have more teachers, with larger breasts. 

But thanks for playing. 

Wait, really, what type of moron argues against larger breasts? What are you going to oppose next, good paying jobs? Oh wait, that is your stance...

The same type of moron who doesn't want to pay for boobies for some woman he will never even see. What kind of moron chooses boobies over education? If you are so hip on boob jobs why don't you take up a collection for those not fortunate enough to be in the teachers union. You are asking other people to pay for it, why not put you own money where your mouth is?

You have completely whiffed on my "stance." But if you ask me very, very nicely, I will explain it. And I will do it s-l-o-w-l-y so you don't confuse yourself again. Stay thirsty my friend!

Bush_Wacker
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Boob jobs, tummy tucks,

Boob jobs, tummy tucks, botox, face lifts.  None of this stuff should be covered under any insurance plan at all.  Insurance should be for needs and not wants.  My home insurance covers repairs and replacement of damages.  It doesn't pay for me to upgrade my house or build an addition. 

I do however think that the story itself is misleading.  I don't think that any teacher jobs would be saved by the elimination of boob jobs.

rigel1
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Bush_Wacker wrote: Boob jobs,

Bush_Wacker wrote:

Boob jobs, tummy tucks, botox, face lifts.  None of this stuff should be covered under any insurance plan at all.  Insurance should be for needs and not wants.  My home insurance covers repairs and replacement of damages.  It doesn't pay for me to upgrade my house or build an addition. 

I do however think that the story itself is misleading.  I don't think that any teacher jobs would be saved by the elimination of boob jobs.

I think they said that the plastic surgery bill to the tax payer was about 4 million. I'm too lazy to go back and verify it. You are correct. Vanity is not a right. They can pay for their own non essential elective crap.

As Robert Dinero once said: "The devil's favorite sin is vanity."

Phaedrus76
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So your stance is to drive

So your stance is to drive down wages, take away workers' rights, shut down unions, end collective bargaining, cut education spending, drive down teacher pay, and complain about the cost of plastic surgery for teachers, and then claim it is to save education.

rigel1
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Phaedrus76 wrote: So your

Phaedrus76 wrote:

So your stance is to drive down wages, take away workers' rights, shut down unions, end collective bargaining, cut education spending, drive down teacher pay, and complain about the cost of plastic surgery for teachers, and then claim it is to save education.

No. You kinda made that up. That's not my stance at all. I am saying that in buffalo NY they waste millions of dollars that should be used to educate and employ teachers on plastic surgery. People don't really want their taxes used to pay for other people's vanity. This topic was the plastic surgery abuse.  I'd bet if you took a poll at least 85 to 90 percent would agree it's an obscene waste.

dhavid
The only thing I have learned

The only thing I have learned so far is that the people of Buffalo, New York must be a dumb bunch of mofo's.

rigel1
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dhavid wrote: The only thing

dhavid wrote:

The only thing I have learned so far is that the people of Buffalo, New York must be a dumb bunch of mofo's.

I've been there several times. I like the lake, but that's about it. Avoid the place if you can.

media_muse
rigel1 wrote: I disagree

rigel1 wrote:

I disagree totally. My wife works for the school system. Most of her friends are teachers. Great people, I love them. They should be compensated fairly. But expecting me to pay for their boob jobs may be just a tad bit over the top.

 

Where does your contempt for teachers come from?

 Boob.... hmm, where does your contempt come from? Bringing boobs in to this conversation - now there's a wild right turn for us!

I don't get any appeal to reason here - it looks like throwing out tit-illation for the sake of remaining fixated on infantile matters. Until we can have a grown up conversation which doesn't disparage body parts of the female kind it looks like another underwhelming contradiction of 'free speech' in Amerika.

 

rigel1
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media_muse wrote: rigel1

media_muse wrote:

rigel1 wrote:

I disagree totally. My wife works for the school system. Most of her friends are teachers. Great people, I love them. They should be compensated fairly. But expecting me to pay for their boob jobs may be just a tad bit over the top.

 

Where does your contempt for teachers come from?

 Boob.... hmm, where does your contempt come from? Bringing boobs in to this conversation - now there's a wild right turn for us!

I don't get any appeal to reason here - it looks like throwing out tit-illation for the sake of remaining fixated on infantile matters. Until we can have a grown up conversation which doesn't disparage body parts of the female kind it looks like another underwhelming contradiction of 'free speech' in Amerika.

 

Let's just say that the taxpayer is getting screwed so that they can give the teacher a better chance of getting screwed. I don't think that many approve of their money being spent this way. What do you think? Close to zero percent?

Phaedrus76
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So now you want to only allow

So now you want to only allow public workers to have access to Rigel1 approved medical procedures. The Rigel1 Papacy was firm, yet tyrannical. 

rigel1
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Phaedrus76 wrote: So now you

Phaedrus76 wrote:

So now you want to only allow public workers to have access to Rigel1 approved medical procedures. The Rigel1 Papacy was firm, yet tyrannical. 

Calm down Pha. It's not quite as sinister as you make it out to be.

Well, if it's medical care that I am paying for, I guess I have a right to an opinion. Right? If I don't get free cosmetic surgery why the hell would I want to pay for someone elses? If I'm gonna be forced to buy their lipo, then why not charge me for their gym membership or tooth paste. When it comes to FREE medical care I think Mick Jagger said it best.

You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need

DRC
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You play divide and conquer

You play divide and conquer for "them" while ignoring what "they" do to you.  I can be glad that I don't need liposuction, and I would like to have better dental coverage for all.  Paying for my implants because the effing insurance company did not recognize them as "teeth" or think that less would work for me sucks.  Having to suffer with the lack of communication between dentists and doctors has been tough when the problems intersect.  You can always find something others need to complain about paying for.  If we had a generous system, I would be less pissed by your pissant attitude.

mdhess
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You know, I really think that

You know, I really think that we should just all stop responding to rigel1.  He's just an internet troll who only logs on to fill up the message board with all the latest right-wing blather.  He probably waits until all the conservative e-mails are in and then brings them here to repeat.  I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh because I don't give a crap about what he thinks and the same goes for rigel1. I'm not going to waste my time trying to defend unions to someone too stupid to realize that we have (or had) a vibrant middle class only because of the former greatness of employee unions. There's no reasoning with someone who doesn't just fall for the propoganda of the wealthy elite but actively works to disseminate it. 

Sprinklerfitter
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Rigel is a usefull tool for

Rigel is a usefull tool for his masters. Several other regressives around here are trollers just like rigel. I've ask them before don't you have any wingnuts sites to hang out on to spew your garbage?

Laborisgood
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I'm with mdhess on this one.

I'm with mdhess on this one.  I've certainly had enough of Rigel's insincere bullshit.  I've played along more than I care to admit to, but sooner or later his completely disingenuous interplay is just not worth the effort.  He gives great set-ups to disagree with, but rarely engages in a real give-and-take conversation.  That horse has been beaten one too many times.  It's been fun Rigel.  Thanks for the memories.

DRC
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I am looking for some short

I am looking for some short term rigel memory loss, myself.

rigel1
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Sprinklerfitter wrote: Rigel

Sprinklerfitter wrote:

Rigel is a usefull tool for his masters. Several other regressives around here are trollers just like rigel. I've ask them before don't you have any wingnuts sites to hang out on to spew your garbage?

As the great George Costanza once said. "I am the master of my domain."

I'm just not sure what has inspired the hate and rage against me. I'm pretty sure I have respected your point of view. I'm not sure  what I said that hurt your feelings.

About 70% of those in this forum can handle a different point of view. Then there are the 30% who can't. They come totally unglued and freak out.

Cheer up! diversity is good. Embrace it.

DRC
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Diversity is not about

Diversity is not about ignorance and stupidity deserving respect for informed opinion.  It is not about accepting the reactionary as an alternative opinion based in a self-affirmed identity.  I am sure you are not aware of why people get angry at your bs.  If you think it is freaking out to call bullshit on bullshit, too bad.  I love the embrace diversity as good spin.  I will reject the meth even though some use it and love it until it kills them.  I think the idea that greed is good is idiotic.  I wish you had something to say.

Liberal and Proud
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rigel1 wrote: I posted this

rigel1 wrote:

I posted this in another topic, but it deserves a topic of its own.

Teacher layoffs? Not enough money for education?

 Union greed gone wild.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/28/buffalo-new-york-teachers-get-free-plastic-surgery_n_1306896.html

 

You've misrepresented this greatly.  This isn't what you said it is.

 

The deal is a part of one of the educators' insurance plan options, which offers no-cost, no-deductible plastic surgery procedures. It's included as a self-insured rider in teachers' contracts, so the district covers the cost of every procedure.



The insurance is paid for by the teachers....it doesn't involved money from the funds to pay teachers.

DRC
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What, rigel has posted an

What, rigel has posted an inaccurate smear?  How shocking and atypical!  I feel faint and have to lie down.

rigel1
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DRC wrote: What, rigel has

DRC wrote:

What, rigel has posted an inaccurate smear?  How shocking and atypical!  I feel faint and have to lie down.

Not me amigo, not me. The article say's "CNN reports" not "Rigel reports." No need to faint. I hope you feel better now.

As 3 percent of New York teachers -- which translates to more than 7,000 teachers -- fell prey to layoffs this year, around 3,400 teachers in Buffalo, New York can get any plastic surgery procedure, such as botox or tummy tucks, free of charge, CNN reports.

 

Since then, the cosmetic surgery industry has boomed, and Buffalo plastic surgeons started advertising directly to teachers through newsletters. According to an extensive report by the Atlantic, one doctor billed the district $4 million -- some of which is paid with public dollars.

 

 

Phaedrus76
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Oh, so now the standard is,

Oh, so now the standard is, if I as a taxpayer am paying for it, I get veto rights?

Great, let me start with every dollar I spend to defend Japan, Germany, Western Europe, the House of Saud, the South Koreans and Israel.

Then I'll take back every dollar that goes to corporate welfare for welfare queens like GE, Verizon and their ilk.

rigel1
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Phaedrus76 wrote: Oh, so now

Phaedrus76 wrote:

Oh, so now the standard is, if I as a taxpayer am paying for it, I get veto rights?

Great, let me start with every dollar I spend to defend Japan, Germany, Western Europe, the House of Saud, the South Koreans and Israel.

Then I'll take back every dollar that goes to corporate welfare for welfare queens like GE, Verizon and their ilk.

Again Pha, you totally whiffed. Here is my quote:

"Well, if it's medical care that I am paying for, I guess I have a right to an opinion. Right?"

I did not mention veto rights. In fact, I said nothing that even rymes with veto. Where do you come up with this stuff?

DRC
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You have a right to own your

You have a right to own your opinion and the responses to it.  The whole point of the con rant has been that they don't want to pay for others to have medical care.  Are you just venting, or are you interested in not paying for others in fact?

rigel1
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DRC wrote:   The whole point

DRC wrote:

  The whole point of the con rant has been that they don't want to pay for others to have medical care.  

Nope. Not even close. I merely commented on the CNN report. But DRC, I do need your help. Would you please help me? I need you to copy & paste the statement where I claimed to be opposed to paying for medical care.

Thanks in advance!  

DRC
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It was an insurance benefit,

It was an insurance benefit, not a taxpayer subsidy, so what was your post about?  Did you just pass on somebody else's innaccuracy. Post #27  You started this.

rigel1
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DRC wrote: It was an

DRC wrote:

It was an insurance benefit, not a taxpayer subsidy, so what was your post about?  Did you just pass on somebody else's innaccuracy. Post #27  You started this.

Yeah I know. That is why I quoted the article. Simply to make people aware of how education money was being spent. Not to tell anyone how to think. I have succeeded. Now the topic is beginning to bore my ADD infested mind so I'm gonna move on.