Obama's Broken Resolutions and Occupy White House

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Generalized security requires a social net, not lies and trillions for the banks. There has been a 30-year war in which the voice of business became louder. Private losses cannot become public losses. The state has a social nature and cannot be just a security and power state or errand boy for the banks. The revenue and war spending crises can be reversed. 14 million jobs can be created as Harry Hopkins and FDR created 4 million jobs in two months.

"Unfulfilled promises may come back to haunt Obama this election year, says Mark Engler.

In June 2007, on a warm Sunday in San Antonio, Texas, presidential candidate Barack Obama rolled up his white shirtsleeves and addressed a crowd of 1,000: ‘We’re going to close Guantánamo. And we’re going to restore habeas corpus,’ he said. The assembly cheered.

The senator repeated his vow the next month, and in subsequent campaign stops: ‘As President, I will close Guantánamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions.’..

Obama’s defenders believe that progressive support will return once his opponent is set and the campaign begins in earnest. Maybe it will. For now, the president’s broken resolutions hover uncomfortably."

to read the articles by Mark Engler and Gary Young, click on

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2012/03/251841.php

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Obama’s defenders believe that progressive support will return once his opponent is set and the campaign begins in earnest. Maybe it will. For now, the president’s broken resolutions hover uncomfortably."

This is going around in circles. We are already at this point. The problem now is, what choice do they believe they have? If enough voters actually believe they have a choice other than Obama or "worse" (in their opinion) -- a third party candidate for instance -- Obama might be in trouble. Otherwise his goal at this point is merely to show he is not as bad as the other candidate. That's what the remaining propaganda/advertising campaigns will be about. One big push will be to try to get those utterly disgruntled with their choices to vote at all.

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Exactly. If you have problems with Obama, fine. Take your energy down ticket and back home. Plan for 2016. Don't fall for the discouragement GOPimp meme or the whining and protest makes me pure bs. There are other people whose lives cannot stand your funk. We have power to do more than the system offers, but we do not have the power to piss on the choices we have and think we are helping anything.

You don't have to be an Obama Believer to vote for him while doing important work to build a future you want. You do have to play the hand you are dealt.

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Well said, DRC. Take a few topics that didn't go the way that progressives wanted, and use it to divide them. Sounds like GOP tactics to me. Instead, let's stick with the best option we have right now and nudge him in the correct direction.

N-O-R. Not One Republican, 2012. Pass it on.

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DRC wrote: You don't have to be an Obama Believer to vote for him while doing important work to build a future you want. You do have to play the hand you are dealt.

poly replies: Generally, if I'm dealt a hand from the bottom of the deck, I toss my cards down, get up, and leave the table.

Going from one crooked game to another is getting tiresome.

Thumbs up. Obama stopped shipping people to Gitmo.

Thumbs down. He ships them to Abu Graib instead...outside the jurisdiction of U.S. courts.

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If you can get the Casino stopped, that would be fine. Just walking away from the table does not help those who don't have the luxury. I am all for effective protest, just not leaving the electoral game and acting as if it were action. If you can get the players to revolt, if you can get the dealers to quit, and if you can take the Casino money and use it to feed the starving and house the homeless, go for it.

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Perhaps it's time to begin looking for an honest game instead of alternating between two games that both deal from the bottom of the deck.

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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Does anybody know if Darcy Richardson is challenging Obama? I just read that.

Is this news or old or BS ?

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If you can get an honest game established in time to elect the next President, great! I think you have to do what you can while you work on the big problem. Disgust is not enough. We must save despair for better times. Real people get hurt by the worse evil. Sorry Poly, you and I are close enough in analysis to be able to appreciate that venting is only good if it really blows off steam. It is not a good place to recycle.

I could say "I feel your pain," but that just brings back bad memories.

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Quote politicalview:

Take a few topics that didn't go the way that progressives wanted...

Yeah. Just a few, dude. Nobody's perfect, right?

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Quote DRC:

If you can get an honest game established in time to elect the next President, great! I think you have to do what you can while you work on the big problem. Disgust is not enough. We must save despair for better times. Real people get hurt by the worse evil. Sorry Poly, you and I are close enough in analysis to be able to appreciate that venting is only good if it really blows off steam. It is not a good place to recycle.

I could say "I feel your pain," but that just brings back bad memories.

poly replies: We haven't had an honest game ever since Clinton was nominated by the Dems. If people had recognized that when he began outsourcing the economy , de-regulating banksters and undermining the social safety net, they may have gotten angry enough to overturn the crooked card tables.

It's an interesting thing about "Hope and Change". Hope exists when there isn't change. When change occurs, hope is no longer required.

Change occurs when a critical mass is reached...and it doesn't take a majority. When the critical mass for change is reached, the majority just go along for the ride. That's how the Reagan Revolution came into being. It's how our current world view of how things have to be done came into being. It's even how our own country came into being.

Even the Pharoahs didn't maintain their power by force alone. People saw it as just how things were, or as Margaret Thatcher put it, "There are no alternatives". Alternatives couldn't be seen.. A critical mass of an alternative was never reached. The U.S. is smack in the middle of that. sort of thing.

At one time kings had rights. People didn't have rights. When a critical mass was reached that "people have rights", the majority saw it and went along for the ride. That's how social and cultural change occurs.

At this point, I have more faith in "Occupy Wall St." than I do in either political party. That doesn't mean I won't still work within the political system, I just don't pin high hopes on it.

Dems should have stuck with Jesse Jackson's admonition at the 1988 Dem Convention. "Don't go along just to get along." It's that failure of Obama that has led to all of his others. He isn't a proponent of change.

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It would be great if things were different. They aren't. Give me a better alternative to re-electing Obama and getting a supermajority of Democrats in the Senate. Unless you have a way to resurect Bobby Kennedy, I don't think we have a better alternative right now.

Poly, you're right about the Reagan revolution, but that started with 2 things - first, it happened within the existing Republican Party. It didn't come from outside of the existing framework. Second, it initially became successful through shady dealings between Reagan's cronies and those holding the Americans hostage in Iran.

So how can we reproduce this great success within the Democratic Party.

N-O-R. Not One Republican, 2012. Pass it on.

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Poly, I agree that OWS is a solid and positive development. It is why I don't spend time Obama bashing or rejecting those who want to work outside the duopoly--as long as they don't just beat up on Dems and leave the GOPimps alone. There are Progressives who need to be supported inside the Democratic Party too.

I do not think change depends upon the resurrection of the Democratic Party. Change could eliminate the GOPimps and leave the Democratic Pary split between Corporate and anti-Corporate. Getting the national narrative turned around is the point.

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Hope you enjoy the 23-minute video "March 4 Rally and March in Portland OR" from Joe Anybody!

This was posted on http://portland.indymedia.org.  The fire of youth will never be put out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsphzlRsofk&feature=youtu.be

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Quote politicalview:

It would be great if things were different. They aren't. Give me a better alternative to re-electing Obama and getting a supermajority of Democrats in the Senate. Unless you have a way to resurect Bobby Kennedy, I don't think we have a better alternative right now.

Poly, you're right about the Reagan revolution, but that started with 2 things - first, it happened within the existing Republican Party. It didn't come from outside of the existing framework. Second, it initially became successful through shady dealings between Reagan's cronies and those holding the Americans hostage in Iran.

So how can we reproduce this great success within the Democratic Party.

N-O-R. Not One Republican, 2012. Pass it on.

poly replies: Oh? The great destroyer of the American working class was the "Outsourcing King Clinton", not Reagan. Pres. Clinton was a Dem. Obama seems to be vying for the title. Denouncing outsourcing with one side of his mouth, and negotiating new outsourcing agreements with the other has become a specialty.

DRC, I look upon Dem pimps the same way I look upon GOP pimps. Not a whole lot of difference. A pimp is a pimp. Maybe its time people understand the nation is run by pimps. They'll sell their souls and yours for a buck.

The nation has serious, serious problems...and we elect people to Congress. state legislatures and the executive branch of government who know nothing except how to sell their souls to get elected. Problem solvers they are not. Spend 5 minutes talking with one of the elected pimps, Democratic or Republican. Scary.

If we are going to elect ignoramuses to office, we should at least insist they consult climatologists about global warming instead of the deep pockets of the fossil fuel industry, etc., etc.

There isn't a whole lot of difference beween a Dem pimp and a Republican pimp. All I can say is, get involved at your party's local level and stop nominating corrupt Dem and Republican dunces to be placed on the ballot.. Dunces appear just as frequently on third party ballots....without access to the deep pockets.

I try to avoid voting for corrupt fools no matter what their party label may be. It's difficult for a voter not to do that. More often than not, they are the only choices given.

When the American people wake up from their slumber, things will change. Time is short.

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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after viewing a shared clip from "The Road We've Traveled" on my/barackobama.com, i wrote my friend:

"while i am NOT a total Obama-ite because i realize the issues he has reneged on, he remains the closest ally of my concerns of those available.

it is that "availability" that tends to trouble me the most. i strongly believe that we, as a country, need to have multiple parties. quite simply, this ain't the 1800's what with the pony express and all. regardless of what you may think about the political posturings of Israel, the political structure there is composed of some 40 parties and that creates a "mandate" for a more comprehensive presence and far more "democratic" representation than what we have here in the U.S. it is referred to as a "coalition government" that for all practical purposes is far more "democratic" than the archaic system we are laboring with.

there is also the obvious question of $$$$$ in politics and government that must be dealt with. without reform in both those areas, i am forced to say we are doomed.

Christ/Hell (your preference), we are already well on our way to the demise of what was once a great and honorable society. Capitalism is simply an economic system; the fact that it has usurped and tainted the "democratic" process cannot and must not be ignored.

the very large question is: 'How did this happen?; Who is responsible? and Why?'"

my friend's subsequent reply:

"Things have changed for the worse and there appears no ability to stop the deterioration. I agree Obama has had a difficult term with such vile hatred spewed from the conservative 'wrong.'"

. . . and then mine to him:

"you are right (as in "correct").

it is not possible to have a meaningful discussion or debate of policy with all the polarization and vitriol that you noted. what can we expect from a bunch of overly college educated snobs ? ? ? the bastards/bitches are snake-oil sales-persons with little honor or integrity when it comes to actually serving the country. there are a few exceptions, very few; it should be the rule."

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