Are corporations inherently evil according to scripture?

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Timothy 1:6

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

If corporations are people and if the corporate charter demands profit foremost, then doesn't fundamentalist christian doctrine dictate that corporations are the root of all evil?

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We pride ourselves here in Thom Hartmann community on basing political arguments on anything BUT the Bible!!

Next you'll be advocating the stoning of homosexuals and adulterers!!

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When Calperson is considered a spokesman for the Thom Community, it's time to move out.

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Quote Calperson:

We pride ourselves here in Thom Hartmann community on basing political arguments on anything BUT the Bible!!

Next you'll be advocating the stoning of homosexuals and adulterers!!

First Cal, why do almost all your posts have something to do with sodomy, homosexuals and adulterers? Just wondering.

But to the point. The right wing figured out a long time ago that it was easy to manipulate the Bible loving people by pretending to be more in tune with Jesus and scripture than the evil hedonistic liberals are and so these warmongering, polluting, money loving, xenophogic radical righties cherry pick bible scripture to support their daily talking points. So about your comment that "We pride ourselves . . ."

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

By the way, I noticed you avoided the question in the initial post. Are corporations as deemed people by the SCOTUS evil according to scripture because they put the love of profit before all else?

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Probably corporations should stop carrying the Cross before them as they attempt to redefine Christianity. Corporate media has done a pretty good job in its effort. "Greed is good" is even preached from some pulpits. The "new" Christianity is a bit different than Christianity of the 1st century.

I've yet to find the divine right of money or the divine right of corporations in Scripture. I do believe there is an injunction not to worship "mammon" (money).

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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Quote Choco:

By the way, I noticed you avoided the question in the initial post. Are corporations as deemed people by the SCOTUS evil according to scripture because they put the love of profit before all else?

Well I course I avoided it! The answer is WHO CARES???

You need to brush up on your "Seperation of Church and State" sunshine.

Using some ancient "scripture" to make a poitical argument in the 21st century makes you as backward as the dumb stupid rednecks you claim to deride.

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Really, you should tell that to your washed out presidential candidates. We should not have to be dealing with this "backwards" right wing ideology in the 21st century, but we have this certain political party, you see, that aligns itself with warring, polluting corporations and these religous nutcases described below.

Dominionism is a term used to describe politically active conservative Christians that are believed to conspire and seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action, especially in the United States, with the goal of either a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.

And here's some more explanation for you because you seem a bit slow.

A Christian Plot for Domination?

Aug 14, 2011 10:51 PM EDT

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Now, however, we have the most theocratic Republican field in American history, and suddenly, the concept of Dominionism is reaching mainstream audiences. Writing about Bachmann in The New Yorker this month, Ryan Lizza spent several paragraphs explaining how the premise fit into the Minnesota congresswoman’s intellectual and theological development. And a recent Texas Observer cover story on Rick Perry examined his relationship with the New Apostolic Reformation, a Dominionist variant of Pentecostalism that coalesced about a decade ago. “What makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government,” wrote Forrest Wilder. Its members “believe Christians—certain Christians—are destined to not just take ‘dominion’ over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the ‘Seven Mountains’ of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world.” In many ways, Dominionism is more a political phenomenon than a theological one. It cuts across Christian denominations, from stern, austere sects to the signs-and-wonders culture of modern megachurches. Think of it like political Islamism, which shapes the activism of a number of antagonistic fundamentalist movements, from Sunni Wahabis in the Arab world to Shiite fundamentalists in Iran.

Dominionism derives from a small fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism, founded by a Calvinist theologian named R. J. Rushdoony in the 1960s. Christian Reconstructionism openly advocates replacing American law with the strictures of the Old Testament, replete with the death penalty for homosexuality, abortion, and even apostasy.

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Admitting that corporations are evil is giving credibility to the notion that corporations are people. I give no credibility to either. "People" within a corporation have a capacity to be either good or evil or somewhere in between. A corporation is a structure built on people, property and ideas. Next we'll be putting corporations on a throne with a golden halo hovering above it's head in place of a crown.

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Who cares.

Uhhhh...given the religous components of American politics and our current wars...I do. Not, of course, for the "good book" (cause, it's not that good) but for the future of humanity who, with the help of such "good" books, excuses inhumanity on a grand scale.

Using some ancient "scripture" to make a poitical argument in the 21st century makes you as backward as the dumb stupid rednecks you claim to deride.

Yet, half the planets "dumb stupid rednecks" are sitting on the bomb and the other half are sitting on the worlds oil supply. So, how are you going to convince the dumb stupid rednecks in Saudi Arabia that their ancient scripture is not worthy of politicizing? How about for the Republican party, whose dumb stupid rednecks shamelessly wage war and pander to those who subscribe to ancient scripture?

I think you are being unusually dismissive of the overwhelming majority of dumb stupid people of all neck colors, who will take us with them, if they get the chance.

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Quote Bush_Wacker:

Admitting that corporations are evil is giving credibility to the notion that corporations are people. I give no credibility to either. "People" within a corporation have a capacity to be either good or evil or somewhere in between. A corporation is a structure built on people, property and ideas. Next we'll be putting corporations on a throne with a golden halo hovering above it's head in place of a crown.

+1

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Corporations are NOT inherently evil. Corporate charters do demand profits but those charters do not require that the profits always be at the expense of the labor force and the environment. They unfortunately are due to our greed-infested tax and trade policies that cater to those whose income is directly tied to quarterly stock value and not long-term growth and stability.

Corporations are made up of people and therefore need regulation just like the Israelites needed the Law to keep themselves from their evil tendencies to worship false idols (i.e. mammon). We need a good old fashioned Revival to bring back some fundamentalist regulation. Repent ye corporations!!!

Today's corporations, like the ancient Israelites, need to fear the wrath of a heavy hand upon them for operating outside of the Law (so to speak). Of course the Law has been modified in recent years to allow all of their behavior to fall within the Law. We need a new covenant that re-establishes many of the simple regulations that used to keep the corporations from travelling too far down this slippery evil slope they've been on recently.

Calperson: Why is it acceptable for you to feign religiously based morality in support of your political views on abortion, but nobody else is allowed to mix a little Bible in to illustrate the immorality of those supporting rampant corporate orgies?

Of course as D-Natured points out, we don't really need to use the Bible as our metric of defining the evils of today's corporate behavior. Common decency is more than suffcient. We don't need to have any wiggle room for the evil Saudi corporations and evil American corporations to maneuver within as they define their own set of rules based on their own scriptures.

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Quote Bush_Wacker:

Admitting that corporations are evil is giving credibility to the notion that corporations are people. "People" within a corporation have a capacity to be either good or evil or somewhere in between. A corporation is a structure built on people, property and ideas.

I disagree.

Corporations are legally prohibited from doing altruistic "good" acts if a single shareholder objects.

On the other hand, they are perfectly capable of doing evil "bad" acts so long as the cost-benefit analysis shows that the bad act, after penalties, still cost less and the corporation didn't suffer debilitating public relations.

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Love your pic; wish he would have grown into the hat he wears now! My question is would you have responded so vehemently to other books of "wisdom"? Actually, in the "Bible" God is One, therefore there is no thing that doesn't work for man's higher good, including what we perceive as "sin", which is ultimately what an individual thinks it is. This "wisdom" book teaches us to love one another, care for the least of us in the ways they have need. Instead it is sliced and diced to allow those in power to beat us up with their uninspired “interpretation” of passages that rarely refer to the actual subject they discuss!

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Quote Laborisgood:

When Calperson is considered a spokesman for the Thom Community, it's time to move out.

AMEN!

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It might be useful to convince the religious right and their militia groups that the big corporations are "the anti-christ." ;-)

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Quote Calperson:

Well I course I avoided it! The answer is WHO CARES???

I care.

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Quote Calperson:
Quote Choco:

By the way, I noticed you avoided the question in the initial post. Are corporations as deemed people by the SCOTUS evil according to scripture because they put the love of profit before all else?

Well I course I avoided it! The answer is WHO CARES???

You need to brush up on your "Seperation of Church and State" sunshine.

Using some ancient "scripture" to make a poitical argument in the 21st century makes you as backward as the dumb stupid rednecks you claim to deride.

I agree. In light of our understanding of the Universe since the Hubble Space Telescope, I think the paradigm of the angry, jealous God in heaven who requires blood sacrifice to appease His anger is no longer plausable. Much like the earth being the center of the Universe is no longer plausable. Holding on to the idea of the bible being the inspired, inerrant word of God is magical thinking. We need a new paradigm to match our much expanded understanding of what is.

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I agree, so tell that to the redneck bible-belt repulicans who constantly shove their cherry picked bible quotations down our throats.

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