I came home from work last night, and the wife started asking if I had heard about some shooting, 5 dead, blah blah blah...
Being we live in America, "one more" violent shooting rampage means very little to me.
But then she starts saying where it happened, pointing at the TV, and I realize that the scroll says "Cooper and Warner" and it is the local news. Well, that corner is a 2 mile dirve from my home... and then I start watching and the man on the TV is talking about our local NeoNazi, Border Vigilante, "former" Republican activist, and present Democratic challenger for the Pinal County Sherriff office, JT Ready.
"Alledgedly" good old JT had a girlfriend down the road, he had moved in with her, and was outraged over her daughter's half Mexican daughter, or as JT put it "half ugly". So JT "alledgedly" went to the home, murdered two men out front (one the ugly Mexican and one a US Army vet of Afghanistan) and then went into the home, murdered his girlfriend, her daughter, and the "half ugly" 16 month old.
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Th problem with your post is the nazi's are socialists which is frimly on the left with all other totalitarian governments.
What article? Do not remember seeing a link. I do know that the nazi's were socialists, the communists hated thrm even though their policies were nearly identical.
Ok I will loom it up but they were national socialists.
They were national socialists but engaged in fascism when it came to the German war industry.
Either way fascist or socialists, basicly the same different name. Government control of any industry that they deem beneficial to all. one difference fascist only have one over reaching labor union instead of individual trade based ones. Strikes and lockouts are illegal because the government based union will dictate the terms of your employment and pay. As well as your health care, banking, education and any other activity thst would effect the national economic output. Sounds like a totalitarian dictatorship to me or utopia for a socialist. The nazis did break from the socialist in one aspect they were racists killing anyone none white, where socislist want to kill anyone that does not agree with them. Either way they both are failed policues that lead to messery and death at the hands of the government overlords.
Excuse typos posted from phone
Why do we need to assign a political label? Can't we just call guys and guys like him evil?
First off, Socialists are the Labor Unions wanting to control the workplace to make things better for workers. Nazis and Fascists are a merging of coroporate interests with government, who want to use government violence to control the workers. They are not the same, at all. In any sense.
Further, so we are clear on who neo Nazis are, they mostly concern themselves with trying to whip up violence against Blacks, Hispanics and Illegals, and align themselves electorally with the Libertarian movement, in the same way the political party Sinn Fein had the IRA, or the political party of the Nazis had their Brown Shirts.
Also, the only big news out of the event is this great warrior for the White Race had in his possession 6 anti tank grenades. I sure am glad that private citizens have a right to that.
Scalia in hearings about the AZ immigration law identified with JT Redding, at least before JT shot up the family including a toddler. Since he doesn't read laws in front of him, maybe he can find words in the right wing blogoshpere for a rephrasing of his support for neo-nazi policy. He parroted the broccoli analogy during the Affordable Care hearings lifted staight from Malkin or some other nut. Kennedy may want to distance himself from neo-nazis, Scalia doesn't care, Thomas does what Scalia does and he dosen't mind prejudice and has been against civil rights.
Seriously what the hell is wrong with America today? When did we start caring about the political beliefs of nut jobs? Are you trying to say that because there are crazy people in the world that your conservative neighbor must be crazy too?
How about you Pha? Are you a whack job? You must be because that famous liberal Charles Manson is. Liberals = Manson.
Absurd.
Um. Didn't Charles Manson have a Nazi Swastika tatooed in between his eyes?
I think that makes him right-wing too. :-)
First of all labor does not own the business unless they started the business or bought it. The have no control without force or out right theift. The labor union uses their force (union thugs) or government force to control both workers and owners for the benefit of the elite union bosses and politicans they own.
Force is force totalitarian governments of all kinds are left wing in nature as far right is chaos and no government at all.
rigel1, I have to agree with you, because I don't care about workingman. Unbelievably asinine statements like the post above.
All of the Scandinavian countries have labor unions and labor law. Their economies are all growing about 4% to 6% a year. 5 weeks of vacation, too. 18 months of parental maternity leave, 6 weeks maternity for the dad upon arrival of the newborn. They don't get medical from the company because everyone gets medical. Because everyone gets medical Sweden scores higher than the US in the best places to do business. But you have to care about your employees, not a very American thing.
4/four_dead_in_ohio is another right wing illustration 42 years ago. Some things never change.
btw I studied labor economics in school and used to give lectures at the college in Honolulu in the business economics class explaining labor relations. I was the local C&I [communications and information] committee chair.
One other thing, look up contract law, that's what unions have. But you have to believe in law to understand that.
Um. Didn't Charles Manson have a Nazi Swastika tatooed in between his eyes?
I think that makes him right-wing too. :-)
Nope. Nazis are as left wing as you can get. There is not a dimes difference between a Nazi and a communist.They were called the national socialist party for a reason. When you go farther to the right you get anarchism.
So you actually care what Manson's politics are. Really? Why? :)
Please explain how the nazis are on the right. The accepted graph has chaos on the right and totalitarian dictatorships on the left.
this must be one of those left wing things like as global gets hotter the winters will be longer, colder, and wetter...
Workingman, you work against your own best interests. Get a clue:
National Socialism (common short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology practiced by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany, derivatives of it in other countries.[1][2][3][4] It is a unique variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[5] Nazism was founded out of elements of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany.[6] The ideology was developed first by Anton Drexler and then Adolf Hitler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[7] Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis; the focus shifting to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8] Nazism promoted political violence, militarism, and war, it conceived of politics as being a "battle", and the Nazis utilized their paramilitary organization, the Sturmabteilung (SA) for violent attacks upon their opponents, particularly communists, Jews, and social democrats.[9] Hitler and the Nazis openly promoted German territorial expansionism into Eastern Europe to be Lebensraum ("living space") for German settlers and assimilation of Germanic peoples into Germans that would result in the creation of a "Greater Germanic Realm of the German Nation".[10]
Nazism advocated the supremacy of the claimed Aryan master race over all other races.[11] Nazis viewed the progress of humanity as depending on the Aryans and believed that it could maintain its dominance only if it retained its purity and instinct for self-preservation.[12] They claimed that Jews were the greatest threat to the Aryan race.[13] They considered Jews a parasitic race that attached itself to various ideologies and movements to secure its self-preservation, such as capitalism, the Enlightenment, industrialisation, liberalism, Marxism, democracy, and trade unionism.[13] To maintain the purity and strength of the Aryan race, the Nazis sought to exterminate Jews, Romani, and the physically and mentally disabled.[14] Other groups deemed "degenerate" and "asocial" who were not targeted for extermination, but received exclusionary treatment by the Nazi state, included: homosexuals, blacks, Jehovah's Witnesses and political opponents.[14]
Nazism promoted an economic system that supported a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent while rejecting universal egalitarianism, retaining private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class distinction.[15][16] Hitler claimed that unconditional equality of opportunity for all able racially-sound Aryan German males in Germany was the essence of the socialism of German National Socialism.[17] This was known as völkisch equality that officially ascribed collective racial equality of opportunity, equality before the law, and full legal rights to able people of Aryan blood but deliberately excluded people outside of this definition who were regarded as inferior and rejected the conception of universal human equality.[18] The Nazis criminalized strikes by employees and lockouts by employers for being contrary to national unity and the state took over the approval process of setting wage and salary levels.[19]
The Nazis were presented by Hitler and other proponents and viewed by some scholars as being neither left-wing nor right-wing but politically syncretic.[20][21][22][23] Hitler in Mein Kampf directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, he accused the political left of committing treason against Germany when left-wing politicians signed the Treaty of Versailles, he accused the political right as deserving equal reproach as the left, for being cowards in allowing the disarmament of Germany as stipulated by Versailles.[24] However major elements of Nazism have been deemed as clearly far-right, such as its goals of the right of claimed superior people to dominate while purging society of claimed inferior elements.[25]
Is this asshole a socialists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen
He's aligned pretty solidly with noted republican/conservative war monger presidents and drug runners. Read on and weep for your own ignorance.
Rigel—even though Choco was addressing workingman, you need to study his post #22 as well. There will be a pop-quiz on all of the information there, and you will have to write a essay.
So you want me to believe its like global warming if you go far enough to the left you end up back at the right.
Racism is not a right wing thing its a left. You only have to look at the kkk and the democratic party to figure this out.
So again with chaos on the right and total government control on the left how does fascism end uo on the right?
Oy vey.
Have you listened to Bernie Sanders on Thom's show. He is a confessed socialist independent Senator. Does he sound anything like a Nazi? No, of course not, he sounds like he's for the working people of America. Are the Scandinavian countries and Canada Nazi like, of course not. Quit becoming a willing victim of the left vs. right Hegelian Dialectic. You are being synthesized into blind obedience to the status quo of the power elite. See if this guy makes a little more sense and spare the ad hominem attack on the speaker. Start with the top video.
http://www.mediawhores.co.nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=427:british-petroleum-is-controlled-by-the-rothschilds-goldman-sachs-shell-oil-rockefellers-standard-oil-which-sold-holdings-to-bp-and-queen-beatrix-of-the-netherlands-royal-dutch-shell&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=47
And digest this before attacking your fellow middle class Americans.
http://www.whale.to/b/m_ch7.html
Workingman, you might also want to research the reams of historical data that show Prescott Bush and many other big businessmen were huge supporters of Nazi Germany.
If we have any chance of winning this secret war on us, we have to all unite!
The silly bickering about right vs. left is absolutely meaningless, when there are ones out there who want to subdue us all forever.
I understand that there are differences between socialists, fascists, and communists. They are.slight and all on the left.
Yes prescot bush helped the nazis so did george soros. Al gores dad was a kkk member there are alot of dirt bags in government that is why I wamt it as small and powerless as possible while still preforming the 18 jobs set forth in the constitution.
Oy vey.
http://www.mediawhores.co.nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=427:british-petroleum-is-controlled-by-the-rothschilds-goldman-sachs-shell-oil-rockefellers-standard-oil-which-sold-holdings-to-bp-and-queen-beatrix-of-the-netherlands-royal-dutch-shell&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=47
Karonia, I suggest you watch the top video at least. And go to my last post in the War Drums Pounding, same old culprits to hear Ehund Barak on the morning of 9/11
And make sure you get familiar with this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen You sound like you are not afraid of looking at the facts.
Excellent Choco!
Choco wrote: You might also want to research the reams of historical data that show Prescott Bush and many other big businessmen were huge supporters of Nazi Germany.
This one had me rolling on the floor.
The RW trolls on this board are totally out of control.
Actually Choco, I am very afraid and very angry about the facts, but I am much more afraid of being ignorant.
I have watched the Ehud Barack video when you suggested it earlier, and sent it to all of my friends. It eliminate any doubts I was still holding onto about just how hoodwinked and bambozled we Americans have been and for how long.
Did you watch the videos that I put in a reply to you on the Why I'm Voting Republicon thread a few days ago? They were about Britain's secret manuvering throughout US history?
This one had me rolling on the floor.
The RW trolls on this board are totally out of control.
He had admited to telling the nazis about dissidents in the ares when he was young. I guess you never heard.of the hitler youth..
Yes the truth will kill you if you dont accept it
Soros’ Jewish father gave him to a Nazi that worked for the Hungarian Agriculture Deptartment, in order to save his son's life. George went along with his adopted father to expropriate the properties of Jews who would be sent to the death camps. In his books, he defended it and said it was the happiest time of his life.
But why would anyone defend the Queen of England's investment broker, unless he loves him for his work in legalizing drugs? Soros has financed all the referenda to legalize drugs, here, in Mexico, in Europe. And he bought Obama for President. The man who has legalized killing American citizens without due process.
It's not about right wing, left-wing. It's about anti-fascist and pro-American System, in economics, in law. Our Constitution provides for the general welfare of its people and their posterity—not of Wall Street bankers and the filthy oligarchs.
We are not an Empire, we are a Republic... "if we've got the wits to keep it" to again paraphrase Ben Franklin. Let's drop the ideology and THINK. (Right Wing, Left Wing, Chicken Wing—that comes from the seating arrangement in the French Parliament after their so-called revolution.)
What are YOU proposing we do about the collapse of the banking system, and the danger of general war, being provoked by our current President who has ordered thermonuclear presence in the Pacific and massive fire power surrounding Russia?
Please explain how the nazis are on the right. The accepted graph has chaos on the right and totalitarian dictatorships on the left. this must be one of those left wing things like as global gets hotter the winters will be longer, colder, and wetter...
No.
First of all, socialism and communism are economic systems, on the left end of the spectrum, free market anarchy is on the far right. Authoritarianism is the opposite of equalitarianism - neither is left/right in an American government sense. Either a party, or a person, wants a stronger central government that uses the authority to jail and imprison people for things like being gay, being Hispanic, smoking weed, DUI's, regulating womens' orifices, etc, or they generally believe everyone has liberty, equality and are a brotherhood of man, all having the same rights to life, liberty and ownership of property. Those qualities aren't left right. They are do you want the govt to control someone's basic liberty over their own vagina, or not.
Second, a better way to look at different govts is the chart showing economic freedom with the standard left right x axis, and the y axis having authoritarianism on bottom and equalitarianism on top. Nations like Denmark and Sweden are as far to the left as comminist China economically, but on the totalitarianism you would have Communist China next to Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Romania under their evil dictator and at the other extreme is Sweden and Denmark.
Third, all the American rightwing up until the afternoon of Dec 7th were very much in love with Adolf Hitler. Sen. Prescott Bush was a big admirer, his in-laws had business interests in Germany. Henry Ford and GM did too. Charles Lindbergh received a special medal from Hitler personally, and was on his way to greater fortune before Pearl Harbor. I understand the Koch Bros grandfather made his fortune as a chemical supplier and mining company for the Third Reich.
Hitler's agenda was to kill labor unions, and turn over as much power as possible to the wealthy to drive his war machine. Read his speeches, a lot of talk about running out the Jews, and foreigners dilluting Germany's strength, a call for the poor and weak to lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and no more handouts.
Three days. One Jewish family being allowed to move to Lisbon. Kornfeld doing his bureaucratic job. Not even a Nazi. Soros was a Hitlerjungen? Collaberated somehow with Nazis? Informed on dissidents? Where's the evidence?
You know where this all comes from, don't you? [quoTobin continues: “There is much to criticize about George Soros’s career, and his current political activities are troubling. But Beck’s denunciation of him is marred by ignorance and offensive innuendo. Instead of providing sharp insight into a shady character, all Beck has done is further muddy the waters and undermine his own credibility as a commentator.”
Rigel—even though Choco was addressing workingman, you need to study his post #22 as well. There will be a pop-quiz on all of the information there, and you will have to write a essay.
You lost me with the Manson thing. Manson had the tattoo not because he was a political idealogue. But because he was a nut.
Nazism: All economic activity is controlled or approved by the state. Very limited personal freedom. Single party rule. Extreme censorship. No respect for human rights. No dissent permitted. Books were destroyed.
Communism: See nazism
I think I can ace the test.
Okay—here are the big questions:
Are you ready either die in WW3 or liveout your life in a fascist system, or would you rather defend the US Constitution and think of yourself as an American—as opposed to thinking of yourself as a Conservative or Republican or Libertarian or Right-Wing Fundamentalist?
Are you ready to be the livestock of oligarchs or would you rather be living in a Constitutional Republic?
Who are you asking?
As Baumbach itemized the material, George walked around the grounds and spent time with Kornfeld's staff. It was his first visit to such a mansion, and the first time he rode a horse. He collaborated with no one and he paid attention to what he understood to be his primary responsibility: making sure that no one doubted that he was Sandor Kiss. Among his practical concerns was to make sure that no one saw him pee.
Three days. One Jewish family being allowed to move to Lisbon. Kornfeld doing his bureaucratic job. Not even a Nazi. Soros was a Hitlerjungen? Collaberated somehow with Nazis? Informed on dissidents? Where's the evidence?
You know where this all comes from, don't you? Tobin continues: “There is much to criticize about George Soros’s career, and his current political activities are troubling. But Beck’s denunciation of him is marred by ignorance and offensive innuendo. Instead of providing sharp insight into a shady character, all Beck has done is further muddy the waters and undermine his own credibility as a commentator.”
Thanks for this information, Art.
I was asking Rigel & the other ones—I think most of us wouldn't ever miss thinking of ourselves as Republicans, Libertarians, Conservative or Right-wing Fundamentalists. :-)
Please explain how the nazis are on the right. The accepted graph has chaos on the right and totalitarian dictatorships on the left. this must be one of those left wing things like as global gets hotter the winters will be longer, colder, and wetter...
No.
First of all, socialism and communism are economic systems, on the left end of the spectrum, free market anarchy is on the far right. Authoritarianism is the opposite of equalitarianism - neither is left/right in an American government sense. Either a party, or a person, wants a stronger central government that uses the authority to jail and imprison people for things like being gay, being Hispanic, smoking weed, DUI's, regulating womens' orifices, etc, or they generally believe everyone has liberty, equality and are a brotherhood of man, all having the same rights to life, liberty and ownership of property. Those qualities aren't left right. They are do you want the govt to control someone's basic liberty over their own vagina, or not.
Second, a better way to look at different govts is the chart showing economic freedom with the standard left right x axis, and the y axis having authoritarianism on bottom and equalitarianism on top. Nations like Denmark and Sweden are as far to the left as comminist China economically, but on the totalitarianism you would have Communist China next to Nazi Germany, the USSR, and Romania under their evil dictator and at the other extreme is Sweden and Denmark.
Third, all the American rightwing up until the afternoon of Dec 7th were very much in love with Adolf Hitler. Sen. Prescott Bush was a big admirer, his in-laws had business interests in Germany. Henry Ford and GM did too. Charles Lindbergh received a special medal from Hitler personally, and was on his way to greater fortune before Pearl Harbor. I understand the Koch Bros grandfather made his fortune as a chemical supplier and mining company for the Third Reich.
Hitler's agenda was to kill labor unions, and turn over as much power as possible to the wealthy to drive his war machine. Read his speeches, a lot of talk about running out the Jews, and foreigners dilluting Germany's strength, a call for the poor and weak to lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and no more handouts.
You are correct hitler did away with labor unions, because he said they would all be under the control.of the government to set the saftey rules and living wage. Sounds like the left to me.
I want the government to be as close to total anarchy as possible but still able to provide the bare minimum of governmental responsiblity. Federal level the 18 jobs listed in the constitution. State level fire police sewer garabe collection thst is about it. That way you as a citizen have maxium economic and personal freedom.
The same economic freedom as in turn of the century factories where people worked seven days a week 12 hours a day for thier own version of Mr. Scrooge. Yeah, let's go back to those freedoms again. When the factory owners figure out that nobody is buying anything because they are all living on a subsistance only income level they might figure it out. Until then the unions will continue to be attacked by those with terminal myopia and no understanding of what made America stand out economically during our heydays of the fifties and sixties.
America is being attacked from within. Everything good thing that set America apart from other countries during our heydey is being attacked by the mignons of Murdoch of Mordor, a Rothschilds business partner. Rothschilds control our money system through the Federal Reserve's exclusive self appointed charter to issue and distribute our money through debt as they see fit. Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, Rockefeller et all are owned and controlled by the Rothschilds empire and this empire has decided to crush America from within so they have blatently put a FOX in the henhouse. Oh, I almost forgot to mention the Milner Group of Carrol Quigly's research and the renamed Pilgrim Society. Guess who Milner worked for? Cecil Rhodes, Rhodes was controlled by Rothschilds. They gave us the round tables, CFR, Trilateralists and more. When are people going to realize like Karolina and a few others here have that this two sided positioning puts us exactly where they intended for us to be, middle class fighting middle class, hating the other so much that one is willing to vote for a lesser (perceived) form of tyranny which is tantamount to supporting tyranny.
BTW, both the MSM and so called alternative media are wholly controlled by this Rothschilds global network. Money is their God and few are willing to risk their careers by openly opposing the issuers and controllers of money.
It's no wonder the Gnostics were dualists. Christ was a Gnostic.
Go get 'em Paul.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/225519-paul-to-chair-tuesday-hearing-on-federal-reserve-reform
Ron Paul to return for hearing on ending Federal Reserve By Pete Kasperowicz - 05/04/12 02:21 PM ET
Paul's hearing on Tuesday is titled: "The Federal Reserve System: Mend it or End It?"
Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) will return to Washington next week to chair a hearing on how the Federal Reserve system might be reformed, or even dismantled.
Paul chairs the Financial Services subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy & Technology, and will hear testimony on Tuesday morning from two members of Congress and several economists at his hearing titled, "The Federal Reserve System: Mend it or End It?"
Paul is a longstanding critic who has said the Fed should be dismantled because its control over interest rates lead to boom-bust cycles, and more recently, because of the Fed's involvement in propping up real estate values and banks. But he has also pushed for more moderate solutions, including a bill that would require a public audit of the Fed that now has 224 House co-sponsors.
"More and more people are beginning to understand just how destructive the Federal Reserve's monetary policy has been," Paul said Thursday. "I hope that this hearing will kick-start a serious discussion on the need to rein in the Fed. One hundred years is far too long for Congress to have taken a hands-off approach.
"The Fed continues to reward Wall Street banks while destroying the dollar's purchasing power and driving up the cost of living for average Americans," he added. "This reckless behavior must come to an end."
Paul will hear from two members of Congress with proposals to reform the Federal Reserve. Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) has proposed legislation that would end the Fed's dual mandate of controlling inflation through monetary policy and ensuring job creation. Brady is one of several Republicans who have complained about the Fed's quantitative easing program, under which the Fed bought billions in federal debt in a bid to give the economy a boost.
He will also hear from Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who in 2011 argued in favor of reducing the size of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), the policy-setting board of the Fed, by removing regional, unelected FOMC members.
A second panel will include Stanford University's John Taylor, and Alice Rivlin, a former vice chairwoman of the Fed's Board of Governors who is now with the Brookings Institution.
The same economic freedom as in turn of the century factories where people worked seven days a week 12 hours a day for thier own version of Mr. Scrooge. Yeah, let's go back to those freedoms again. When the factory owners figure out that nobody is buying anything because they are all living on a subsistance only income level they might figure it out. Until then the unions will continue to be attacked by those with terminal myopia and no understanding of what made America stand out economically during our heydays of the fifties and sixties.
I did not say anything about ending unions. I am talking about getting the overbloated over controling government under control. Unions started way before the fifties and sixties. The u.s. Was great way before that time. but the left does not think the u.s. was great before 1979.