Trayvon's last ever munchie run

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This might come as a surprise to anyone relying on the “mainstream” media for news, the darling little angel Trayvon Martin was high on drugs when he attacked George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin had traces of marijuana in his system on the night he was killed by a neighbourhood watch leader later charged with the teenager’s murder, a postmortem report has revealed.

More surprises:

A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA [mixed martial arts] style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest. …

Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness — whose name was redacted from police documents — said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence.

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.”

Police documents also confirm that Zimmerman sustained conspicuous injuries to his face and the back of his head.

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Law enforcement certainly seems to be taking it's time conducting their investigation. I thought we would hear some kind of official version of these events by now. People are interested in how the Stand Your Ground law is being applied.

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He had THC in his system which means that he smoked pot anywhere from THREE TO TEN DAYS from the incident. Way to jump to conclusions with as little information as possible. Seems to be the Republican Party platform these days.

Never mind that the police report indicated that IF ZIMMERMAN HAD STAYED IN HIS VEHICLE LIKE HE WAS REQUESTED TO DO BY THE DISPATCHER THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.

Nevermind that the ZIMMERMAN was taking Adderall and Temazepam at the time of the incident.

Nevermind witnesses of the incident saying that they believe Zimmerman intended to kill Martin - that it was no accident.

Nevermind previous acquaintences of Zimmerman saying that they experienced racial bigotry from him on a regular basis.

Nevermind the whole story.

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Funny Cali, the witness seems to have changed his story.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/18/11761522-key-witness-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-changed-story?lite

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When Zimmerman was waving his gun around and threatening Martin like a mugger and Martin courageously wrestled him to the ground, who had the greater claim to immunity by virtue of SYG? I wish Law Enforcemnt would weigh in on these issues.

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Years ago, I saw a movie called Reefer Madness. I guess that's what the reference to THC was all about.

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Quote Calperson:

This might come as a surprise to anyone relying on the “mainstream” media for news, the darling little angel Trayvon Martin was high on drugs when he attacked George Zimmerman.

Still Trolling? A trace isn't the same as being high. THC can take WEEKS to clear the body.

As for your claim that Trayvon is the one who should have called the cops... therefore is responsible: the dump of evidence is here: http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-05/70010598.pdf On page 27 one report reads:

:The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern.There was no indication that Trayvon was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter........

Based upon the facts and circumstances outlined in this narrative, I believe there exists probably cause for issuance of a capias charging George Michael Zimmerman with Manslaughter, in violation of Ch 782,07 FS.

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Yes leaving his vehicle did show poor judgement.but it is not illegal. I believe that zimmerman was out of his vehicle when the police said" we don't need you to do that". he has the same right to walk on that sidewalk as trayvon did. In the 911 recording zimmerman said that trayvon had run away, when trayvon ran away there is no way that zimmerman could have caught him. the incident would have not happened if trayvon had not returned. So I feel that mistakes were made by both men.Mistakes yes, illegal no. The sad part is that a young mans life is over. And the libs are trying to exploit this tragedy , they could careless about this young man and his family, the family is merely being used as tools to promote their agenda.This will also stop people from keeping a vigilant eye on their neighborhoods and protecting themselves. I believe that both men came to the wrong conclusions about the other one. What it all boils down to is that trayvon made the mistake of bringing his fists to a gun fight. Trayvon is dead and zimmerman will have to live the rest of his life knowing that he took another man's life, and nothing and no court will ever be able to change that. And taking away the americans rite to own and carry guns will also not change a thing. Guns will always be a part of america's history and it's future.

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he had it in his blood as well which means he smoked iin the last 24 hours

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In the 911 recording zimmerman said that trayvon had run away, when trayvon ran away there is no way that zimmerman could have caught him.
Is that true? A drug-addled Adderal and Temazepan addict can't catch up to a guy laid back on THC?

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Low even for you sCalper. And WhishyWasaMan for trying to sneak by equating the unarmed, barely 17 yr old to an armed Adult in his 30's ["I believe both men made mistakes..."].

Given what we have heard of the LocoLeos. Recalling that when confronted with a dead black teenager and a the whitish Adult child of a Magistrate with a gun - they run a blood test on the dead teenager and not on the '30's Adult.

I think a finding of "a trace of THC" in the blood sample means that the person taking or testing the blood had ingested some in the past few weeks - or that someone in the department was smoking dope at the time the sample was being tested.

Back in the '80's I recall hearing a statistic about there being a "trace amount" of cocaine on almost every dollar bill in circulation (because some were used as straws to snort it and then spent, so touched other money...).

It is just as likely that blood tests run on either of you would indicate trace amounts of testosterone, but probably just from something you touched recently.

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From the New York Daily News:

A medical report by George Zimmerman’s doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

After that freak show press conference, I don't expect her to act ethically either.

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Quote Art:
In the 911 recording zimmerman said that trayvon had run away, when trayvon ran away there is no way that zimmerman could have caught him.
Is that true? A drug-addled Adderal and Temazepan addict can't catch up to a guy laid back on THC?

Yes a young man of 17 could easily out run a man in his 30's since he was out weighed by at least 100 lbs. if he was afraid for his life.

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The important lesson to take from this is, if you are black man carry a gun, and defend yourself to the fullest extent and that there is no contradictory testimony.

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The only change i would make is ,if you are a man or women you should be able to defend your self, no matter what your color. And don't pull a gun if your not prepared for the consequences.

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Quote CollegeConservative:

he had it in his blood as well which means he smoked iin the last 24 hours

This is a complete lie. Get your damn facts straight before you post. It stays in your system for 3-10 days after being smoked or ingested.

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Quote CollegeConservative:

he had it in his blood as well which means he smoked iin the last 24 hours

This is a complete lie. Get your damn facts straight before you post. It stays in your system for 3-10 days after being smoked or ingested.

In your "system" yes, but specifically blood? 2-3 days.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_testing.shtml

It is fascinating in your reply how confident you are of your accuracy and yet are completely wrong. It may explain your ease in "flying off the handle" so to speak. Let me guess, you too are an illegal drug user?

The violent attitude it creates in you is what got baby Trayvon in trouble in the first place.

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Quote whiskeyman:The sad part is that a young mans life is over. And the libs are trying to exploit this tragedy , they could careless about this young man and his family, the family is merely being used as tools to promote their agenda.
You're an ass. In your warped mind public pressure for a trial to get to the facts is "exploitation". Yet the Right isn't blindly coming to the defense of Zimmerman because he suits the NRA's armed citizen agenda... like in this pic from the ultra right Firelake:

http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/files/2012/05/George-Zimmerman-DonkeyHotey-214x300.jpg

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Quote Calperson:

In your "system" yes, but specifically blood? 2-3 days.

Make up your goddamn mind Fluffy. You FIRST claimed [/quote]the darling little angel Trayvon Martin was high on drugs when he attacked George Zimmerman.[/quote] Yet your own site
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/18/trayvon-martin-post-mortem-drugs does NOT back you up... nor does your other site:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_testing.shtml which says:

Cannabis is detectable in the blood for approximately 2-3 days after use in an infrequent user. Frequent use can be detected in the blood for approximately 2 weeks.

So where's your proof Trayvon was "high"? Either back it up or react.

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Ooh, he had THC in his system… That means… dwr

essentially nothing.

Tweet of the day from Glenn Greenwald.
An extra cup of coffee is more likely to make someone unduly aggressive than trace amounts of THC

Maia Szalavitz in Time points out the absurdity of breathless media reports that Trayvon Martin had THC in his system:
Traces of Marijuana Found in Trayvon Martin’s Body: Does It Matter?

I’m not interested in getting into any debate over Martin/Zimmerman (that’s for the courts), but the miniscule presence of THC makes no more difference in this case than the presence of undigested Twinkie. ~ Pete Guither

Last week, we got some stuff wrong
— but here’s the straight dope. excerpted

... nobody has marijuana in their system unless they took a leaf and shoved it directly into a vein. However, because the language of the motor vehicle code and a source I spoke with said the "M" word, I let myself slip and wrote that "marijuana is detectable in the blood for several weeks." That is incorrect and I knew better...☛

When marijuana is ingested through smoking, some elements of the substance are released into the bloodstream. Most pertinent to this discussion are THC, CBD and a few dozen other cannabinoids. THC is the cannabinoid at the root of marijuana hysteria because it's the one most directly responsible for the high...☛

The body processes the THC within several hours and turns it into the benign metabolite carboxy THC (THC-COOH). Targowski says that's two to 12 hours for most people. But everyday users have THC in their systems most of the time — though this does not necessarily mean they are impaired by it all the time....☛
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If anything cannabis would have calmed Trayvon, more likely to avoid confrontation unless really provoked or attacked. Or ordered without authority or justification. The difference in this case over the hundreds of other similar cases, is the media attention. For some to condemn this or try to degrade it as frivolous liberal bleeding heart socialism is clearly to cover up the age old "fact" of uppity black faces white with a gun. It wasn't long ago that would not have been questioned, especially if Trayvon was with a white girl. Still taught, still stigmatized, still shunned and segregation via real estate markets. Try to keep it under the rug, In whacky Fla where the Auction blocks are still on display and Calvina Fay's Prohibition Inc. reefer madness drives em crazier than the swamp fever, palmetto bugs and chiggers hanging out in the Spanish Moss.

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Evidence mixed for Zimmerman's self-defense claim excerpted

☛ The autopsy says medical examiners found THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, when they tested Martin’s blood and urine.

☛ Kobilinsky said the amount was so low that it may have been ingested days earlier and played no role in Martin’s behavior. He doubts the judge will even let it be used by the defense if they try to introduce it at trial.

☛ But the original lead detective in the case believed Zimmerman caused the fight by getting out of his vehicle to confront Martin, who wasn't doing anything criminal, and then could have defused the situation by telling Martin he was just a concerned citizen and tried to talk to him. He didn't think Zimmerman could legally invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law and should be charged with manslaughter
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Dozens of rag articles setting out meat for the frenzy over trace amounts in Trayvon. Not much on what was in Zimmerman's blood and urine. Oh, no tests were conducted... It's clear the Fla stormtroopers sized it up, Guilty of Public Blackness. Their Motto is "Ineptness is a Virtue."
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What did they find when they tested Zimmerman's blood, and urine? Oh he refused medical attention, and all he did was kill a kid that he was told not to follow, no reason to test him. Trayvon was a teenager, no surprise that he smoked pot within the 30 days before he was tested.~ Kevin May 17, 2012
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Quote Calperson:This might come as a surprise to anyone relying on the “mainstream” media for news, the darling little angel Trayvon Martin was high on drugs when he attacked George Zimmerman.

This is the kind of garbage, keeping the gossip flying, that perpetuates the war on American citizens. Bottom line your bullshit kills Americans. Your dung worrier leaders terrorize sick Americans every time they crap out reefer madness. Liars, bottom dwellers feeding off of the misery of everyday people. Some for profits beyond imagination. Some for paychecks and tax grants to lie and hide research. Let that sink in, they shelve anything medicinally useful. Lumping in burlap and canvas as schedule#1 narcotics knowing full well Hemp can reduce fossil fuel usage. Local Jobs. Ganja can reduce Pharmaceuticals and their side effect over the counter chemicals. That is the bottom line that each of these sick bastards maintain when they lie and gossip. When Congress or the ONDCP does it, it is nothing less than treasonous. Those doing a public service, providing what the customers ask for. Take no tax money, some even pay taxes. For this they are persecuted and caged like animals. So what makes the DEA groupie assholes any different than Al Qaeda?

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Quote DdC:Trayvon was a teenager, no surprise that he smoked pot within the 30 days before he was tested.~ Kevin May 17, 2012

Hell, I certainly smoked my share of pot when I was Trayvon's age. According to some here, if I were a teen with a chip on my shoulder, was a minority, or I confronted someone who was stalking me when all I was doing was walking home from the 7-11.. then I deserved to be shot too... and NO police investigation should be done to see if my murder was justified. Anyone who thinks differently is "exploiting" the tragedy,

THIS is what America's rabid Right has degenerated into.

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Quote Pierpont:THIS is what America's rabid Right has degenerated into.

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I can't fathom what makes people get off on tormenting other people. It takes energy, that takes food, that takes money... job more energy spent getting to the weekend. Why spend it harassing, even terrorizing entire groups of people. Always infringing on their personal choices. Always some future hobgoblin going to harm them if they don't torment groups of people. Silly superstitious handmedown ignorance. There are more killings in Fla in a few hours than in all of the shoot outs in the real life old west. These vigilantes like Zimmerman probably failed police acadamy and are left frustrated as security gaurds. Those not able to pass that settle for neighborhood watches. So lets just forget the cop acadamy's teaching how to control emotions while armed. Confrontation skills. Just skip the emenities and legislate Non victim crimes are vices. A vice is determined more by religion than reason. Prohibition of vice is far more damaging with victims, than the vice itself. The right crazies since slavery believing they can rise up by stepping on others pushing them down. Lot of wasted energy. Hate for Americans in general seems the agenda of a few leading the unquestioning herd. Another black kid shot seems like it isn't supposed to even make the news anymore. That's what they're really pissed off about. Someone noticed and spoke out and now they have to scramble. I still blame the wingnut gov. Looks like "the mask" Jim Carry turned into.

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and...

Quote Pierpont:THIS is what America's rabid Right has degenerated into.

another thread...

Quote JoBee:Interesting that the folks in the progressive media

Seriously, your wheels still stuck in that ditch? Just explain how 95% of all media, (paper, air, cable) is controlled by 5 corporations is in any way shape or form progressive? You can't just blirt out words like it doesn't matter, or you're just a troll.

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Quote JoBee:don't support the story you are trying to sell you just ignore it.

I did not watch or listen to all progressive media yesterday though
so please someone correct me if I am wrong.

Headline swift-boat rules of a troll. Shockjockstraps. There has been nothing but Martin/Zimmerman mugs splashed over the alphabet channels. Mostly weaving their real crap agenda into the main story. Still adolescent memo reading, not news or journalism by any stretch. OJ format and the tabloid gossip flies through the land. Should be simple except in whacky Fla. it's an Irrelevant case after the 911 call when Zimmerman was told to stay in the car. He made a decision to stock and confront Trayvon, then ballistics say within 18" point blank. Judge, Jury and Executioner. But this is a typical redneck and how they act. I put the blame on Ricky Scott and the very reckless 'Stand your ground' yeehaw law. Obviously, beyond a shadow of doubt, Zimmerman did not 'Stand your ground'. The forensics shows wounds and not if they are self inflicted. Coached or assisted in setting a defense to protect the law. More shootings more prisoners served. In whacky Fla Jeb imported prisoners to over crowded conditions. Then the Boosh family prison food service fed them. They cheer when Old Sparky dims the lights. Florida should be avoided as well as Texas. So lets arrest govman Ricky Scott for wasting more taxes on crazy bigoted legislation.

Quote JoBee:* Interesting that the folks in the progressive media are ignoring the facts
* I guess when the facts

I seriously doubt if you would know a fact if it jumped up and bit you in the ass.

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I am curious as to what the motive is for naming the thread "Trayvon's Last Ever Munchie Run."

Let's use the good old "GOLDEN RULE", shall we?

Let's say your niece, nephew, cousin, best friends little brother, YOUR little brother, YOUR son gets hunted down like an animal and is killed by a MAN with a gun shot.

You'd be sad, depressed, lonely, confused, hurt, angry, etc...

Then someone would write that YOUR son was killed making his last "munchie run".

Then YOU would read what someone said about your now dead son.

How would that make you feel?

If you can muster up the truth... it would hurt... a lot. Are you man enough to say that it would cause you pain if someone else had written what you had just wrote?

Are you a coward who lies? Because "lying" is the main act that a coward does.

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Would it matter if the teenager had a lit joint hanging from his mouth when he was killed?

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The "watchmen" called in to report a "suspicious character" in the neighborhood. When he was told NOT to follow... what did he immediately say? "THEY always get away with it..."

WHO is "THEY"? What do "THEY" always get away "WITH"? (I am DIRECTLY asking YOU... Calperson!)

Calperson - You seem to have NO problem putting yourself into the mindset of the BOY who was killed... I am asking you to put yourself into the mindset of the killer. What was going through this guys head when he stated, "They always get away with it..."

Since NO ONE is suggesting that Trayvon Martin was "getting away" with ANYTHING... there was NO CRIME being committed. What was Zimmerman thinking?

Don't you coward out on me! Give me your opinion as to what you "think" the killer's mindset was.

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Sometimes it's a bit "naughty" to be a DICK! Sometimes there's some humor in pointing out how silly a set of circumstances are with a well placed/timed nasty ZINGER!

Tell me where is the humor in an innocent teenager is killed by a predator? I like humor. I even like the occasional NASTY joke. I am in LOVE with low brow humor in contradiction to intellectual seriousness. (Of that, I am GUILTY as charged.)

Tell me where the humor is in an innocent teenage boy being shot and killed.

You seem to be the ONLY one laughing. Why is that?

If you are unable to point out the HUMOR in your joke... then you owe that boys family a sincere apology.

I'll be waiting for your reply.

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Quote Calperson:

This might come as a surprise to anyone relying on the “mainstream” media for news, the darling little angel Trayvon Martin was high on drugs when he attacked George Zimmerman.

TRANSLATION from Orwellian... unless we all believe Right wing sources that claim Trayvon was high WITHOUT EVIDENCE, to help get Zimmerman off the hook, then us MSM news consumers are being duped.

Quote CP:

A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA [mixed martial arts] style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest. …

Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness — whose name was redacted from police documents — said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence.

TRANSLATION from Orwellian... There were NO witnesses who saw how the altercation started, but we MUST exonerate the gun owner and blame the black kid. To insist on a trial to get to the facts after the police exhibit the same bias, is to "exploit" this tragedy.

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Quote Calperson:

This might come as a surprise to anyone relying on the “mainstream” media for news, the darling little angel Trayvon Martin was high on drugs when he attacked George Zimmerman.

Trayvon Martin had traces of marijuana in his system on the night he was killed by a neighbourhood watch leader later charged with the teenager’s murder, a postmortem report has revealed.

So CP, do you ALWAYS plagiarize your posts from other sources?

http://moonbattery.com/?p=11890

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So CP, do you ALWAYS plagiarize your posts from other sources?
This wasn't as bad as it sometimes is. I only found the exact same phrase in a couple of right-wing blogs this time. Sometimes there are Google pages and pages of right-wing blogs with the exact same phrase. How hard could it be to design a little paraphrase so that it at least looks like an original thought?

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Quote Art:

So CP, do you ALWAYS plagiarize your posts from other sources?
This wasn't as bad as it sometimes is.

What do you mean it wasn't as bad? CP stole almost the entire article except the last paragraph then put his name on it. Unless CP is the author of that MB hack piece, it's been ENTIRELY plagiarized.

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Quote Fletcher Christian:

I am curious as to what the motive is for naming the thread "Trayvon's Last Ever Munchie Run."

CP plagiarized the entire post from this source: http://moonbattery.com/?p=11890

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Quote DdC:
Quote Pierpont:THIS is what America's rabid Right has degenerated into.

A great deal of intelligence
can be invested in ignorance
when the need for illusion is deep.
-- Saul Bellow

Love it! Thanks for that!

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What do you mean it wasn't as bad?
What I meant was that the copy-paste meme hasn't become nearly as pervasive as they sometimes get. I didn't intend to let our Californian friend off the hook at all. He's a plagierist. At least he only plagierized a couple of articles.

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In fact, in Cal's defense, I would give him credit for being on the leading edge of this particular blog-meme.

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TRANSLATION from Orwellian... There were NO witnesses who saw how the altercation started, but we MUST exonerate the gun owner and blame the black kid. To insist on a trial to get to the facts after the police exhibit the same bias, is to "exploit" this tragedy.

That's right you have no witnesses who say who started the fight. Without witnesses you will have to go to the facts that you do know. And so far they seem to back up zimmermen's account of the events. Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutor should drop the charges because he feels that zimmermen acted in self defense. The article appears at the new york daily news opinion section.Why are libs so stuck on the color issue? Is it that they really hate the hispanics that much?Take out the race and put in person A and person B, and would they care at all?

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Quote whiskeyman:
Quote Pierpont:TRANSLATION from Orwellian... There were NO witnesses who saw how the altercation started, but we MUST exonerate the gun owner and blame the black kid. To insist on a trial to get to the facts after the police exhibit the same bias, is to "exploit" this tragedy.

That's right you have no witnesses who say who started the fight. Without witnesses you will have to go to the facts that you do know.

No, because those facts are incomplete and the investigation must continue. Was Zimmerman or Trayvon's girlfriend ever given lie detector tests? I'm sure you'd demand a trial if Zimmerman was killed and Trayvon survived. Your problem is some on the Right NEED to exonerate Zimmerman because he represents the noble gun owner and some on the Left NEED to exonerate Trayvon because they see the police giving Zimmerman a free pass to kill a black kid if he claims self-defense. Why can't Trayvon have claimed Stand Your Ground?

I just want a trial and it very well may turn out there's blame to go around.

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Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutor should drop the charges because he feels that zimmermen acted in self defense.
I don't think we should be deciding justice based on what Alan Dershowitz feels. Dershowitz is on my shit-list since his caving in on his opinion of Bush v Gore after 9/11 .

Pierpoint is correct. This is an event of national importance and Stand Your Ground laws need to be addressed with the utmost public scrutiny. If nothing else, law enforcement needs to be exquisitely conscious of the need for an absolutely exhaustive effort to determine whether Stand Your Ground gives the person in question an additional unwarranted presumption of innocence that didn't exist before.

Just because gun-lovers are willing to shrug it off and say, "Oh well, we can never know. Guess the guy must be innocent" doesn't mean that the matter is all wrapped up.

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Quote DdC:Some critical evidence, however, was not disclosed. All of Zimmerman’s statements to the police, for example, were exempt from disclosure at this time under Florida law.
In the end I've still NO idea what happened. I'd like to see a plausible reconstruction of where both Trayvon and Zimmerman were when they first caught eye of each other, what paths they then took... and have that connected with the phone calls to 911 and to Trayvon's girlfriend.

Zimmerman seems to have profiled Trayvon as a probable criminal type because he was a black teen. He makes enough comments to this effect. Trayvon probably profiled Zimmerman as a skinhead out to do him harm.

Here's Zimmerman unedited: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL72w4xiTVU but I believe there is at least one other 911 call.

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Zimmmerman is innocent until proven guilty. And he must be found guilty by a preponderance of the evidence, Not because of the public outrage of a young black man dying. And just because alan is on your poop list , it does not make him any less knowledgable when it comes to interpreting the law.I actully don't own a gun , but I also do think if a person wants to own guns and goes through the steps to own and carry a gun, that is their right.

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Zimmmerman is innocent until proven guilty. And he must be found guilty by a preponderance of the evidence
No, he's not. He's deemed not guilty until proven guilty. And the standard of proof in a criminal case is beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. So yeah, at this pont he is not yet guilty. Nothing can be determined until it is shown whether Zimmerman is entitled to protection from the Stand Your Ground law.

Randy Rhodes spent another hour on the case. We got to hear the 911 call again. Sure didn't sound like a man who was frightend for his life. We got to hear the tape of the interview with Trayvon's girlfriend. She heard him asking Zimmerman why he was following him. He heard them running. She heard "the old guy" panting from having been running. Some valid question about who was really afraid for his life.

Dershowitz is a defense lawyer. He is telling us the defense Zimmerman wants to use. As Randy puts it, by walking away from the case, we are saying that the guy who won the argument and killed the other guy must be the innocent one, even if he caused the fight. I think she's right.

I don't care who actually bears culpability. It has to be made reasonably clear in order to have a law like this.

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Calperson - I'm still waiting.

While I am waiting... I am going to "try" to put myself into YOUR thought process.

You wanted to "bring down" the image of someone who you believe has been raided to "Christ-like" levels. You wanted to besmirch an image that has been unduly deified. "This kid doesn't deserve the praise he's been getting... and for 'what?'... getting SHOT and killed!?! He was a 'PUNK' who got what he deserved! Eventually... that 'punk' was going to do to 'someone' exactly what he got. So... he preemptively deserved it! What's the 'BIG' deal? Besides... 'THEY' always get away with it... NOT this time! Good riddence!"

So... How'd I do? Did I get YOUR thought process right?

I think you've done a HUGE disservice to intellectual thought.

You've also participated in an act that YOU would find reprehensible if it were done to you.

What concerns me is that it takes a while to do what you've done. There's been plenty of time to retract, rethink, undo what you've done. NO second thoughts? None?

Again... SHOW me the "humor" that I am missing out on.

An unarmed teenager was shot and killed for walking.

How do you live with yourself? How could ANYONE be in your company? Don't we have enough innocent people being hurt and killed? I can't believe you think it's necessary to "pile on" an innocent teenager's DEAD body with insults! What's your major malfunction?

EXPLAIN YOURSELF! Or, am I correct in calling you a coward?

Explain your actions. Explain the "humor" that I am missing out on. Or get lost!

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I KNOW that you're reading this.

You want to see all of the "ripples" that your verbal rock has caused in the peaceful waters.

So what are you waiting on?

MAX CADY TIME!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhQ8mgwXYaI

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Quote Calperson:
Quote ah2:
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he had it in his blood as well which means he smoked iin the last 24 hours

This is a complete lie. Get your damn facts straight before you post. It stays in your system for 3-10 days after being smoked or ingested.

In your "system" yes, but specifically blood? 2-3 days.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_testing.shtml

It is fascinating in your reply how confident you are of your accuracy and yet are completely wrong. It may explain your ease in "flying off the handle" so to speak. Let me guess, you too are an illegal drug user?

The violent attitude it creates in you is what got baby Trayvon in trouble in the first place.

You're a jackass. You're the one saying he is high and then you said it stays in your blood for 24 hours and here you are saying that it stays in your blood for 2-3 days. And I am the one that has to "get my facts straight before I post"? Please. My statement was accurate - THC stays in your system for 3-10 days after usage. That is an accurate statement. You are the only one posting false information.

The thing that got Trayvon in trouble was a jackass like you with a gun in his hand stalking him. You clearly act before you effing think. That is the trait in Zimmerman which led to the death of this kid.

And no I am not a drug user. I barely even get a beer in once a month. My wife used to work at a facility for female convicts on work release and did drug tests for the inmates on a regular basis.

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Quote whiskeyman: Zimmmerman is innocent until proven guilty. And he must be found guilty by a preponderance of the evidence, Not because of the public outrage of a young black man dying.
Gee, then your argument is with those mostly on the Right who believe a trial is NOT necessary. I await your outrage directed at them. As for the public outrage... ya don't think it in the least be because despite there being a dead kid, and recommendations for an indictment of manslaughter... the police gave Zimmerman a pass?

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The "watchmen" called in to report a "suspicious character" in the neighborhood. When he was told NOT to follow... what did he immediately say? "THEY always get away with it..."

WHO is "THEY"? What do "THEY" always get away "WITH"? (I am DIRECTLY asking YOU... Calperson!)

Calperson - You seem to have NO problem putting yourself into the mindset of the BOY who was killed... I am asking you to put yourself into the mindset of the killer. What was going through this guys head when he stated, "They always get away with it..."

I believe I fully understand what was going on through George Zimmermans head that day. Trust me, as someone who lives in Oakland California, the Neighborhood watch program is an extremely valuable part of our society and in essence the true peoples "militia" as laid out by our forefathers in the Constitution.

As I and many others from leave for work in the morning there is an endless parade of flatscreen TV's and electronics, that are just walked out of broken down front doors in broad daylight by 'gangstas" and other assorted fleabaggers!! They know that their public union brothers have decimated the local police force by crippling it with overloaded pension debt and there is not a cop car anywhere to be found.

This is where citizens, via the Neighborhood Watch program are obliged to take up the slack after the government/union complex has turned their own city into another Democrat poster city of Detroit. Make no mistake, George Zimmerman is an American Hero and in my mind we need MORE concerned citizens like him who are prepared to look after our neighborhoods and are prepared to ask individuals why they are walking between houses. I fully believe that asking an illegally drugged up "gangsta" who was suspended from school for thieving and peddling illegal drugs to children, ( probably one of the more heinous crimes out there today) why he was walking in between houses is perfectly reasonable.

On a different note, and one relating to the lefts desperate attempt to attach blame to "stand your ground laws", I find it fascinating in this entire incident that leftists hear an "order" from the 911 operator. Her exact words when Zimmerman declared he was going to follow Martin where "We don't NEED you to do that". (Keep in mind here I used the word "follow" and not "stalked". It is NOT accurate to describe someone as "stalking" when they are on the phone with the police and giving a step by step description of everything that is happening.) What I hear from the 911 dispatcher and what I believe Zimmerman and countless other Americans hear, is the dispatcher looking out for Zimmermans personal safety. i.e "We do not need you to do that, they police should eventually get there, you might get jumped". Which is unfortunately what happened. She knows it is a free country, and Zimmerman is allowed to walk the streets of his own neighborhood, he is allowed to also walk up to another citizen and ask them a question. I'm sure she to knows that George is in fact a hero of the community, and is there to be the eyes of the police when the union pension stripped squad car finally makes it to the destination.

While people talk about the duty to retreat, they ignore the fact that Zimmerman couldn't retreat, being pinned on the ground by an opponent who was straddling him and ground-and-pounding him.

But they also overlook the fact that by doing so, Trayvon Martin was also breaching his own duty to retreat. Even if you grant that Martin might have felt provoked by Zimmerman, and threatened by him, that only gives him the right to use force such as to effect his own safe escape.

Straddling a man and going to town on his head (and any blow to the head could, in fact, result in death or serious permanent injury) is not necessary to ensure safe departure from the confrontation.

While the media wonders if Zimmerman exceeded the law's guidance on the use of force in self defense, does anyone ask if Trayvon Martin remained studiously within the safe harbor the law provides for lawful, limited self-defense?

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Calperson - You're a sick puppy.

A sick puppy with a self-editing conscious.

There are more HOLES in your last post than a golf course!

Where to start...

OK. For one... you left out any justification of your choice of language. You also left out how you would feel if it were your son. You also left out any "supposed" humor that the rest of civilized society didn't "get".

You equate drug usage to that of the "gangsta"... really? You do know that the drug usage rate is much higher amongst all of the non "gangstas", right? I am willing to wager that YOU are on some type of prescribed medication. Am I right?

Rush Limbaugh certainly is/was a drug user. Using your logic... well let's just say that I am not comfortable using "YOUR" logic... but it certainly wouldn't be a nice ending for El Rushbo.

There would be no reason for (your hero) poor old George to retreat if he had just listened. "WHY" didn't he listen? I think it's obvious that he had killing on his mind, and NO amount of reasoning would do.

Was Trayvon Martin trained by Royce Gracie? He was outweighed by over a hundred pounds! So much for your hero. What a sissy!

Martin should have been pretty easy to take down with that GIANT flat screen TV in his hands... Oh yeah! That's right... he was innocently walking.

Doesn't the letters W-A-T-C-H make up the word "watchman"? What does "watchman" mean? It certainly doesn't mean "Hunt down and shoot!".

Really? You see people walking with FLAT SCREEN TV's everyday!?! Really? You are SO lame! "Gangsta's" are kicking in front doors everyday? Really? Are there some statistics from the Florida area that Martin was killed in that back that up?

I know that the statistics said that SWAT teams averaged a wrongful address a day... but not "gangsta's".

So you're the BOY WONDER to Zimmerman's BATMAN. Puh-lease!

You're language is more like a SKINHEAD than a hero.

So in addition to sounding like a skinhead, you are a blatant hypocrite. You have NO problem adding in your 2 cents where it doesn't belong by implying, "We do not need you to do that, the police should eventually get there, you might get jumped." See what I mean? Your words, brotha.

You are doing EXACTLY what you claim to dislike. You should be ashamed of yourself.

So Zimmerman got "jumped" by a teenager that was a hundred pounds lighter than he was. Zimmerman got "jumped" even though HE was the pursuer... not Martin. That's some keen reflexes on your "hero".

This is classic self-imposed myopia.

It's clear what it is that you stand for... if you wish to "hide" your true feelings, maybe Bernie Ghets is a better choice for your hero worship.

While your at it, put another DVD in the loop besides "Taxi Driver". It's probably not that healthy for your GIANT FLAT SCREEN TV to be on a 24 hour loop like that.

Besides, some "gangsta" might see it playing and kick down your door... and walk down the street with it... and in broad day light... and while you watch him... and while your city turns into Detroit... and then your cat will start sleeping with your dog... and a homosexual might teach science in the high school... and... and... and... black folks will wear hoodies... and women won't find you attractive... and McDonald's will bring back the McRib... and OKC will beat the Lakers... and the Mayan calender will run out... and then the water will rise... and Barry Bonds won't get a vote for the hall of fame... and Bill Romanowski will have a heart attack from an enlarged heart from all of the steroids he takes... and people will be judged by their character and not the color of their skin... The Horror... the Horror... the horror... Man!

Sometimes all of that craziness makes a guy want to go out and shoot a black kid! Now I can se why Zimmerman is your hero.

Honey! Where's my gun!?!?

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Our cities have turned into jungles. And corruption is stranglin' the land. The police force is watching the people. And the people just can't understand. We don't know how to mind our own business. 'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us. Now we are fighting a war over there. No matter who's the winner. We can't pay the cost. America where are you now? Don't you care about your sons and daughters? ~ Steppenwolfe

Caliper You Show Your Republican Ethics Run True To Your Party.
Not a surprise they stick up for the killer, and trash the victim.
Then lie to cover their own asses. Oh ya, No lies, just...

❝It Was Not Intended To Be A Factual Statement❞
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Na Cali, he's a racist Stalker. he didn't stand his ground. He wasn't defending himself. He just decided on his own after being advised not to. He went after a young black kid and in his mind that meant crime. Neighbor hoods watch groups are for losers who can't make it in the real world of police work. Nothing worse than armchair cops, soldiers or quarterbacks. His wounds miraculously appeared days after the incident. Nothing at the scene. Cop coverup, in Florida? No pisstastes to see if he was high on crack or speed or booze. Fla cops were the lynch mobs in the 30's and still going strong in the early 60's. Oakland was the same way before the Black Panthers equalized the situation. Trayvon had as much right to be there as the redneck toting a gun, he obviously didn't know how to use. Again with the fact he has no authority to stop or confront anyone, especially when he's brandishing a weapon.

I don't believe a word you said about Oakland fleabags, sounds like once removed from the same verbal descriptions used in the south about blacks and other people of color and the poor in general. Total poppycock. Property is not worth a life and to think it is, tells volumes of how moral people actually are. A piece of plastic is the same as a kid's life? Sick. Cops neglecting their duties? To much time profiling other blacks to put in cages for big bucks. Bounty Hunters with a badge. I've known of many doing crack themselves. A lot of the pot is grown and sold by rednecks who would never smoke it themselves. They prefer crank or booze. So the law is stupid and ignorant people mixing with ignorant laws equals mass ignorance and usually death and tormoil for someone. Knowing how these beer chuggers act with guns once thet're loaded it's just a foolish law.

Tough guys. Machophucks, bullies and mean uneducated drunks who have no qualms about beating their wives. With wingnut chips on their shoulders, still blaming the Yankees for their own dilemmas. Past lynch mobs you seem to be sticking up for. Witnesses living there described Zimmy as a racist bully who liked to intimidate kids. No, I think what was done was clearly murder, premeditated at that. Manslaughter indicates a fight or a mutual exchange. This was an attack on an innocent bystander buying skittles and on his way home. No reason for the redneck to do anything, Trayvon wasn't. I'm against the racist death penalty but if there was justification this would be it. Fire up old sparky for the real killers like him instead of just blacks and mentally retarded people they want to force medicate to be sane enough to kill. That's Floridation fer ya. Another decent state another Boosh fucked up. Glad I left. Chumps going along with pisstaste for the poor while the governor profits on pisstasting, duh. Just a long line of Neoconfederates with no allegiance to the country. Now the Koch's will profit on Zimmy's stint as the neighborhood watch of Cell Block 4.

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Police had formed a barricade; as you can see from the video, there was some sort of incident along the barricade. Pollock tried to get closer to see what was happening when a police officer reached up, grabbed her lens and tried to rip her camera away. The officer then pushed her over some bicycles. Read more

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Forfeiture $quads stealing citizens property, where's Zimmy?

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DDC, respectfully, your entire post is a red herring. Don't turn threads into free for alls for just any bullcrap you want to bring up. If you want to talk about the NATO protests, make a new thread.

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Turn on the light... and all of the lowest forms of life run for cover!

It's what I do.

You're welcome!

I'm cool like that.

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The "well regulated militia" of the Constitution can be easily identified. It has to meet the requirements in the Constitution... state based, subject to the discipline established by Congress, can be federalized in times of emergencies, etc.
I had a thought. Have you ever been in a dispute with your homeowner's association? It would seem like a perfect marriage between a very small, localized governmental entity and 2nd amendment provisions if these armed neighborhood watch militias were to become allied with the neighborhood rule-makers. Imagine. Gun battles and possible imprisonment over issues like house color and childrens' gym-sets. Could make for a great movie. Not too hard to imagine.

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Quote Calperson:Trust me, as someone who lives in Oakland California, the Neighborhood watch program is an extremely valuable part of our society and in essence the true peoples "militia" as laid out by our forefathers in the Constitution.
Did you plagiarize that too?

Thanks for even another example of you bizarre and irrational thought processes. The "well regulated militia" of the Constitution can be easily identified. It has to meet the requirements in the Constitution... state based, subject to the discipline established by Congress, can be federalized in times of emergencies, etc... AND it must meet statutory requirements such as in the Militia Acts of 1792 and subsequent federal legislation. Zimmerman and NW meet NONE of those requirements. If fact it's been reported he even broke the NW rules by being armed and pursuing a "suspect".

The NW handbooks https://www.bja.gov/Publications/NSA_NW_Manual.pdf and http://www.charlestownmd.org/oldsite/pdfs/Neighborhood%20Watch%20Manual.pdf are clear... patrol members should NOT be armed nor confront a "suspect"

Patrol members should be trained by law enforcement. It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. MEMBERS SHOULD NEVER CONFRONT SUSPICIOUS PERSONS WHO COULD BE ARMED AND DANGEROUS.

I await the day you write an intelligent post, but I won't hold my breath.

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