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Why are So Many Rich People Liberals?Posted on January 7, 2012 by Nikitas

Why are so many rich people liberals?

This is a good question considering that socialism is geared toward attacking “the rich” and maligning the accumulation of private wealth.

Yet today in America, the majority of rich people statistically are not Republicans but are liberal Democrats, many of them on the far left. They live in places like New York and Hollywood and San Francisco and Chicago and Silicon Valley, hardly the home turf of conservatism. Most of the richest congressional districts are represented by Democrats. Many of the richest people in the US congress are liberals.

And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in America are Republicans. This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party. And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor; in the agitated and shrinking middle class; and in the perpetually enraged labor union movement.

Nancy Pelosi, the former Democrat speaker of the US House of Representatives, one of the most far-left politicians in America and one of the richest people in Washington (estimated fortune is $30 million, earned by her husband), represents one of the richest districts in America, near San Francisco.

So why are so many rich people liberal Democrats?

To understand this phenomenon, it is important to understand there are two types of rich people – the capitalist rich and the socialist rich.

The capitalist rich are generally Republicans. They “make things” and “build things” and “manufacture things” and provide basic resources like coal or timber in the ‘hard’ side of the economy. Henry Ford was an example of old-school capitalist rich. Andrew Carnegie too. Or Cornelius Vanderbilt, who constructed the famous New York Central railroad.

Ford manufactured cars. Carnegie manufactured steel. They produced basic goods that society needed, and that people needed. Carnegie's company developed many of the essential steelmaking processes that launched the industrial boom of the late 19th and 20th century. And he created jobs and wealth not only in making steel and developing those technologies, but in making good steel widely available, which created more and more wealth and jobs because steel is one of the most basic resources for a modern economy.

But today as manufacturing moves abroad, we have fewer and fewer of the old-school capitalist rich, and the middle class is shrinking as the wealth to support it is eroding away.

And why is this happening?

Because of Democrat party attacks on wealth-creating, capitalist private business through excessive taxes, regulation, lawsuits, enviro restrictions and labor union agitation.

(It is important to remember, however, that the capitalist rich generally are not ‘conservatives’ by any stretch of the imagination. In fact most capitalist rich Republicans are so-called ‘Rockefeller Republicans’ who are fairly liberal because they are concerned only with the economic agenda of the Republican party like lower taxes and less regulation.

These Rockefeller Republicans often are referred to as ‘country club rich’ who are not much concerned with issues that fuel conservatism like the founding principles of America, the Constitution, or the conservative approach to social issues like abortion, traditional marriage or Christianity. They generally do not care much about the 2nd Amendment.)

Replacing the shrinking class of capitalist rich are the socialist rich who do not actually “make things” or “provide resources” that the society needs. In fact, the socialist rich largely shun production altogether. They are mostly urban elites (New York, San Francisco, Follywood) who don’t get their hands dirty building power plants or constructing homes or cutting trees or mining coal or building railroads.

In fact many of today's socialist rich are environmentalists who do not even believe in the extraction of resources. This happens even though they use more resources than anyone, like Oprah Winfrey flying around in her private jet while showcasing Al Gore on her TV show and supporting bans on oil production across the US.

These socialists do not get rich through wealth creation like Henry Ford did but by taking for themselves larger and larger chunks of America’s existing wealth through wealth appropriation. And they indeed are getting richer as America gets poorer.

And if you look at the places in which wealth has been created through hard work, you always will see the easy-living socialists moving in and seeking to get as much of that wealth as possible. That is why places like California and New York state, once two of the wealthiest and most productive places in the world, today are ruled by hard-left liberal Democrat policies – because a socialist can smell a dollar bill a mile away, and is attracted to money and leisure like a child to candy. That is why California today is full of rich liberals; because hard-working people made it a comfortable place to live over many decades, and made it wealthy.

You never will see a liberal on the frontier with his sleeves rolled up. Or surveying a railroad line through the wilderness. Or exploring for an oil deposit in the bug-infested jungle.

Indeed, after wealth is created through hard work the socialists at every level set up shop. So, for instance, the moment that a capitalist company becomes economically successful, you will see the unions moving in to get as much of that wealth as possible. But those unions never take any of the risk involved or put in the long hours to build that company up.

Or once a company is successful you will find the government taxing it relentlessly; or the Democrat trial lawyers seeking any grounds for a lawsuit. Because liberals are in love with money more than any capitalist ever was.

Easy money, that is… Money that they can “take”, not “earn”.

How do rich liberals ‘appropriate’ the existing wealth of America?

In many ways in the ‘soft’ side of the economy, like through 'paper wealth' transactions in the financial industry in cities like New York. The biggest investment bank of all, Goldman Sachs, is full of liberals. Its CEO, Lloyd Blankfein, is a huge lib and Obama supporter. Many, many ‘paper billionaires’ like Warren Buffett are big libs.

Today’s socialist rich appropriate for themselves the existing wealth of the nation through media, television, newspapers, advertising, fashion or the arts. They are movie producers, TV producers, movie idols and TV stars. They are involved in publishing, communications and information like Michael Bloomberg, the multi-billionaire liberal mayor of New York City, whose Bloomberg News service carries financial stories and data.

But no oil drilling, or coal mining or tractor manufacturing…

Or they get rich through computers or the internet, which is information and data as well. Google is super liberal, and its employees gave 98% of their campaign contributions to Obama in 2008.

Notice that there is not much gritty manufacturing going on with these people. They are not really getting their hands dirty, are they?

And of course who could forget about all those politicians, especially Democrats like Al Gore, who build huge fortunes based simply on their own political power. No, they are not creating jobs or products for others. They are just getting money for themselves.

So again, the socialist rich are not wealth creators, but wealth appropriators. They work in the 'soft' side of the economy, not in the 'hard' manufacturing side. This is why the middle class is shrinking as Democrats become the dominant rich – because the capitalist rich are becoming fewer in number and are creating less wealth, while the socialist rich are appropriating more of the nation’s existing wealth for themselves.

In other words, fewer and fewer capitalists are baking the economic pie, while more and more socialists are eating it.

So indeed ‘the rich are getting richer’ today in America. The socialist rich, that is. While America becomes poorer. Then the rich lefties tell us how wonderful everything will be when the government gives us little peons health insurance, while we lose our jobs and the socialist wealth appropriators themselves roll in their bigger and bigger fortunes.

Rich liberals also become wealthy by inheriting money, like the Kennedys. Or they marry into money, as US senator John Kerry did. Twice. And when you inherit wealth or marry it, you are going to be under huge pressure to be a liberal for two reasons – because the media have built up the mythology for decades that wealth is something to be ashamed of; and if you did nothing to earn it, you also are shamed by the media for being rich.

Then there even is fraud. Ponzi-schemer Bernie Madoff was a huge liberal. So is Jon Corzine, former Democrat governor or New Jersey, whose MF Global just collapsed under suspicious circumstances. Meanwhile most of the Kennedy family fortune came from Wall Street fraud in the 1920s, in which thousands of other people lost their shirts while Kennedy made a fortune.

Look at far-left George Soros. He is another classic example of a wealth appropriator. He makes his money as a speculator in currency exchanges. He sits in front of a computer screen and bets on the shift of money around the globe and has a $20 billion fortune as a result.

Soros does not manufacture cars or generate power or drill oil wells. He does not employ thousands of people or build railroads that aid and abet economic growth. In fact, he is not interested in creating wealth and products for other people like the capitalist rich do, but only in appropriating wealth for himself, which is classic liberal narcissism.

Look at ultra-lib Oprah Winfrey. What does she produce?

Entertainment. That is all. Period. And if you ask people if they want to have either gasoline for their car or Oprah on the TV, they would choose the former. Because Winfrey is just another liberal entertainer who is dispensable to everyday life in contrast to the things that people really need like cars and gasoline and electricity – the things produced by the capitalist rich.

Winfrey is a classic socialist. She made her fortune sitting comfortably in front of a TV camera not out planning and building a railroad. In fact the entire entertainment industry is made up of weakling actors and dopey entertainers like Robert de Niro or Bruce Springsteen. They are far removed from the tough job of building the nation through hard work, and so their view of the world is skewed.

They follow whatever the left-wing movie producers or record producers say. So they spout socialism in exchange for their careers. And they are convinced that socialism is a good idea because they think it “helps the poor” and “saves the environment”. Which is nonsense. Because socialism actually harms the poor (by making them dependent on the government and destroying their incentive to improve themselves) and ruins the natural environment (by putting up giant windmills on beautiful mountaintops).

What about those rich, liberal sue-everybody trial lawyers?

They are classic wealth appropriators who are empowered by the Democrats and give 100% of their campaign contributions to the Democrat party. Liberal legislation gives them license to go after any profit-making enterprise in America and to make themselves rich. Republicans have sought for decades to restrain these lawyers – particularly in health care – while Democrats fight legal reform every step of the way to keep their lawyer friends rich.

So these lawyers harass private profit-making enterprises, often killing jobs and driving the companies out of business, or creating a climate where businesses do not want to set up shop here in the US, but instead move to countries without aggressive lawyers hounding them every day. So in several different ways, these trial lawyers are damaging the ability of the American economy to create more wealth for its citizens, while getting richer and richer themselves.

And remember that these trial lawyers never pursue liberal companies. Ever.

The whole idea of even having wealth today is widely disparaged in the media. This started back when many more of the rich people were capitalists, and the media still was liberal, during the heyday of industrial expansion over the last 150 years.

Because media liberals needed to tear down the capitalist rich to make themselves look better. Even though many media moguls are wealthy themselves, they consider themselves “different” from the capitalist rich. People in the media think that they are "better" than everyone else, with “ideas” about making society equitable, who don’t dare get their hands dirty manufacturing things like cars or steel. No, that is for lesser people, not for the intellectual elites at the New York Times or at the dinner parties of Manhattan, Follywood or San Francisco.

No, as a liberal, you think you have the most important thing of all – "ideas" – for making society perfect through taking wealth from one group and giving it to another – including shifting it first and foremost to yourself and your cronies. Because the more wealth you have, the more power you have to manipulate society according to the socialist ideas of you and your intellectual friends. That is the main reason that liberals excuse themselves for being rich – because after all, they claim they are helping 'the little guy' and the minorities.

So if you are rich today, you have a choice. You can become a liberal and be treated well by the New York Times and the media in general. You will be invited to all of their artsy cocktail parties and fundraisers at which you trash Bush and the Republican party. You will be flattered in the newspapers and magazines of America. This is the way that somebody like Bill Gates has become more and more liberal – because he had so much money that the media have shamed him into being a give-it-away liberal.

And peer pressure is enormous. You just don't utter anything outside the party line at the fundraisers of Manhattan or Aspen, or you are out of the club. Permanently.

On the other hand, if you choose to adhere to conservative or Republican values, you are either ignored by the leftist elites and the media, or even trashed.

Take your pick. For many, the choice is clear.

So what is the crux of all this?

It is this: Certain types of people are liberals at heart. They have liberal biases. They are weak, idealistic and emotional people to start. They don't understand what really makes the world go 'round – hard work and factories and risk and grit. And when those liberals become rich, they remain liberals, even though their Democrat ideology maligns the accumulation of private wealth.

They see themselves as saviors of the environment, and of the poor, simply by dint of the way they vote on election day and the nonsense they spout every day. So they continue living lives of extravagance without feeling any liberal guilt because they vote Democrat.

And even if you are capitalist rich, the media can actually shame you and intimidate you into becoming a liberal.

Second, it is crucial to recall that the 1960s indoctrinated millions of young people into socialism. So no matter how they turned out – rich or poor – they are going to be left-wing socialists.

Third, liberalism is an ideology of extreme materialism, even more than capitalism. Because there is no spiritual basis for socialism or raison d'etre besides becoming personally rich. Just go to the hotbed of American liberalism – New York City – and you will find the most money-obsessed, thing-obsessed people in the whole world.

They love expensive clothes and fancy cars and private jets and ritzy apartments and sprawling vacation homes, and all the rest. And the head cheerleader for all this materialism, the New York Times, loves all this wealth too, advertises it shamelessly, and allows rich liberals to wallow in it while assuring them in its blowhard editorials that voting Democrat every election day compensates for their obsession with money.

But more significant is that liberals love power just slightly less than they love money. It is always money first with libs. And money begets power. And then a rich liberal needs to use his power to extend his ideas over the rest of society. And through his wealth, he can do that.

What ultimately happens to rich liberals?

Well, they love money and continue to revel in it. They demand socialism because socialism makes them richer through wealth appropriation, but also gives them intellectual cover for their love of money.

They know that America in general will defend their wealth accumulation because America still has vestiges of capitalism. But if the nation goes all the way to the left, they too will be destroyed, slowly, as many have lost much in the recession. And many rich liberals are going to see their bank accounts shrink under Obama. They think they will not be affected, and many will not at first.

They will not be audited by the IRS, for instance, if they are good Democrats. But ultimately, socialism always consumes itself including liberal rich people. It will happen slowly. And then those people are going to start thinking twice about what liberalism really means, and that perhaps they really are more conservative at heart than they ever were willing to admit in public. But it will be too late.

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How's that job at the Heritage Foundation working out for you?

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More word games? Neocons are G-20 Dixiecrats, Blue Dawgkrat chickenhawks as wll as beer slurping rednecks, GOPerverts and Liberterrorists. Junior Bush was a bigger "Liberal" than Clinton. Expanding the size and power of the federal government, spending tax money and crashing the budget. Clinton busted more for possession than nixon, rayguns and daddy boosh combined. Inhaling or not. Words used out of context as you have done makes no sense except as diversions for the Neocons. Always more questions than answers. I live in one of the most expensive places on the planet because it is progressive, the value is increased. The environmental laws we enforce makes it a cleaner healthier place for our kids. The protection we give our workers and teachers also improve the quality of life for our families. That ironically also makes it a place Neocons want. Then they start gutting the quality to save a buck for their masters in the G-20 banksters and corporatists. Before you know it your living in an Oklahoma or Texas atmosphere. The property values sink, the kids get ignorant and sick and parents sell their own souls for a right to work state of minimum or less wages and no benefits. Such volunteer slaves these GOPerverts be. The heritage foundation has no allegiance in America. Every policy they fabricate from the Iraq war, to anti choice to the Ganjawar is initiated for profit at the expense of the citizens health and well being. Pitifools.

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Rich people are Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Progressives, Liberals, etc.

The difference is in what those rich people do with their money.

A dick's a dick no matter their political beliefs.

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In fact 22 of the richest 30 countirs in America voted overwhelmingly democrat in the 2008 election.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/747697-22-top-30-wealthiest-counties-u.html

Yes it does appear that the rich are taking over democracy in this country and using it to their advantage with the help of Obama and his Wall Street puppeteers.

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... and they have an entire Dick Armey! parumpum!

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dude until you get your head out of your partisan ass and forget about obama as anything but a servant, it will continue. Perpetuating the conflicts is how Wall St profits. When you reduce it back to a two party blame game you neglect not only history, but reality. Therefore you are a troll by definition. You have no interest in finding truth, only perpetuating conflict, ie; profits. How in the hell does someone get busted as a traitor in this frick frakin country? When you lie to go to war and then get exempted from prosecution before an investigation. When you drain the Treasury on personal friends and multi national corporations and their subsidiaries. Sometimes creating profit for the parent as with poisons and fossil fool (crud) oil and Nukes. Serving the Pharmaceutical and Plastic IV bag industry.

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Wallmart tinkledown to Thailand prison labor or Koch's tax paid prison labor. Mittney stashing his obligation to the communities to fix the potholes, in Cayman Island Tax Dodging scams. Legalized by the same employees elected by lies and lots of trash against any opponent. Monsanto is the modern IGFarben. Boosh Inc has the synthetic crap market globalized with his thousand points of light. The US busted his father for dealing with the Nazi's under the War Profiteering Act. At an impressionable age young Georgy saw a lot of reasons to hate America and getting even with the enemy, when the enemy is us. With the 95% of the media propagandizing for 5 corporations. I think the addled brains are the denialists and conspiracy accusationists casting doubt with no evidence. Similar to the NORML quote Someone gets arrested for pot every 34 seconds and you wonder why they're paranoid?

When decades of memories in people, over written history propaganda has a medium to remind the public of reality, such as the internet has provided. It gets more clear who the fascists are, and who are the naive not caring enough about themselves to question. Pitifools, when you are traveling down the wrong road, stop and turn around. When you are cutting off your own finger, stop and get a bandaid. Continuing down this fossil fools bet is making us sick and then they charge us to treat it. While the two teams battle it out the league deposits the ticket recipes in the bank. The teams get a salary and bruises and the league gets rich exploiting them. Until the Unions leveled it out some. Not in states where the voters fell in line and voted a right to work for minimum wages. Protesting the protesters. The bassackwards people. Burning books they can't even read. Eating whatever artificially comes out of a can. box or bag, diet coke for breakfast. Meat with meat and a side of meat. Killing God's creations for profit while worshipping human inventions as the Bible and Gun. The sport of choice is watching 200 mph billboards turn left for 200 miles. No sex talk for kids but its ok to watch them pee in a cup to assure they don't cheat on a whiz quiz.

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Quote camaroman:...This is a good question considering that socialism is geared toward attacking “the rich” and maligning the accumulation of private wealth.

That's a false statement. Marx said that only advanced capitalist countries should become socialist because they are economically efficient.

Not that you are actually a serious person making a serious point or anything...

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Maybe we should just...

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I know that's what the U.N. wants to do!

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Quote lovecraft:

How's that job at the Heritage Foundation working out for you?

Cute answer. Typical liberal response. When faced with a difficult question, attack the questioner.

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Quote camaroman:

To understand this phenomenon, it is important to understand there are two types of rich people – the capitalist rich and the socialist rich.

Not true. There ARE NO SOCIALIST RICH. The mega rich .01 percenters that party with Obama want socialism for you not themselves. Are you claiming that they no longer want to live like kings with all luxuries of a Washington politician? No my friend, some of these people claim to be socialists. But they have no intention of climbing off of their gravy train. I'll believe it when I see it. They are frauds. All of them.

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Actually, the conservative rich are for sucking every dime out of an economy that they can.

The liberal rich understand that when they do that, revolutionary upheavals tend to follow.

FDR was a liberal rich. When he was told he had a year before the army would face a violent uprising it couldn't put down, he instituted the New Deal. The conservative rich never did grasp that he saved their fannies.

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DdC- Obama is a puppet of Wall Street banksters and the corporate elite. i do not buy the two party "blame game". That is the game played on the sheeple to make them believe that they really have a choice and that chioce would really make a difference. Voters voted for Obama thinking he would change things for the better. How's that working for ya. He was no different than Bush just as Romney (if elected by the sheeple) will be no different than Obama. As for the rest of your bullshit (and you have plenty of it), good for you. I do not claim to have all the answers but I know you don't either with all your rambling bullshit.

Yes, rigel1, many here seem to resort to name calling when their liberal crap is questioned or challenged.

The liberal rich that embrace socialist ideas do not realize that it would destroy their wealth in the long run and probably wouldn't realize it until it was too late.

FDR was a CFR puppet. He puposely got us into WWII.

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That change I voted for is working out pretty well for me. My sons have health insurance when they otherwise would not. The liberal rich realize the wealth of their social ideas is worth much more than their material wealth. Something that a rich conservative will never understand.

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Are you going to feel the same way when SCOTUS strikes it down? As a white male in his 50's who has been mostly un and underemployed since 2008-not feeling much change. I may never forgive Obama for going after healthcare 1st and not jobs-especially with the gutted bill he ended up with.

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Until you get the money out of politics- most candidates will be puppets. This past year, I have heard many calls from old time demos and repubs saying a constitutional amendment about campaign financing is the only hope. Given the polarized country, I don't think any amendment would pass these days.

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B_W, "That change I voted for is working out pretty well for me. My sons have health insurance when they otherwise would not."

Obamacare is nothing but an expansion of the existing healthcare system where corporations get to profit billions while the government pays for most of the most expensive healthcare and the taxpayer gets to pay for that and if he can afford it also pay for his. Besides Obamacare hasn,t even gone into full effect yet. And I am with lovecraft, if the SCOTUS strikes it down, how will that work out for you?

Sorry for the typos.

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Quote rigel1:
Quote lovecraft:

How's that job at the Heritage Foundation working out for you?

Cute answer. Typical liberal response. When faced with a difficult question, attack the questioner.

It was a cute answer for a cute question.

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camaroman wrote: The liberal rich that embrace socialist ideas do not realize that it would destroy their wealth in the long run and probably wouldn't realize it until it was too late

poly replies: Actually, it was the liberal rich who instituted polices that gave rise to the middle class in this country. Businesses of the rich prospered from the increased purchasing power. The U.S. entered a Golden Age that lasted for about 25 years. Then it instituted policies that effectively killed it. Golden Ages are rare in history. I feel fortunate to having lived in one..

Prior to FDR, the U.S. was a nation of the rich and the poor...with little in-between. We seem to be returning to the era of a few rich and the majority poor...and once again won't be able to support a large enough army to put down a rising violent revolutionary protest which is the situtation FDR faced...

They weren't "socialist" policies. As explained over and over, socialism is nothing more than direct worker ownership of their workplace. Don't confuse elements of a social democracy with socialism. Socialism is nothing more than our own roots...when the majority owned their own workplaces as independent farmers, shopkeepers and crafstmen..

The early U.S. socialist motto, "Those who work at the mill should own the mill" came out of that. The majority considered working for another not much better than slavery at the beginning of the industrial revolution. My uncle referred to it as a form of prostitution. and maintained his family farm until the day he died..

A self employed plumber is operating a socialist enterprise. He owns his own workplace..

The liberal rich saved the U.S. from a revolution in the Great Depression. The conservative rich responded with a fascist coup attempt in 1937. That's what gave rise to the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

You probably need a review of U.S. economic and social history.

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camaroman DdC- Obama is a puppet of Wall Street banksters and the corporate elite. i do not buy the two party "blame game". That is the game played on the sheeple to make them believe that they really have a choice and that choice would really make a difference. Voters voted for Obama thinking he would change things for the better. How's that working for ya.

People voted for Obama because of 8 years of Neocon republican rape and pillage and he was the closest thing to a black man since Bill Clinton. It's working a hell of a lot better cleaning the mess than when Booshamy was making it. Blame Obama for not recovering the economy fast enough and not a word about Booshamy trashing it. Typical ostracized denialists acting like spoiled brats.

camaroman He was no different than Bush just as Romney (if elected by the sheeple) will be no different than Obama.

Big difference between the cart and the horse. You can lead the horse, the cart just follows. Mittney is the cart and has shown he would go where wall st directs him while obama is on defense mode, typical of most democrats not wanting to offend the rapists with harsh words. Might make them mad and rape even more. Almost sacrificial lambs. But not Neocon butchers. The republicans like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are more progressive than Obama Blieden. As I said, we get more protest during a GOP administration because they are known fascists and proud of it. Republicans tried protesting Clinton bombing Kosovo and I had to show them how to make a peace sign. They're fingers got all twisted up, it was pitiful. Shitkickers should stay out of politics or anything with words.

camaroman As for the rest of your bullshit (and you have plenty of it), good for you. I do not claim to have all the answers but I know you don't either with all your rambling bullshit.

Any coward can make a claim. You call bullshit, thats what I call Bush btw. Prove it then. Ad hominum is typical when you have no clue or answers as you admit. You said "I don't know whats right" but then go on to say you know I'm not right. How does that work outside of the fantasy land of the Neocon liars and thieves? You do know whats wrong but not what's right? Baaaaa, baaaa. Thought I'd make you feel at home with the other sheople. Get specific dude or its just fluff and mouthfarts. I think you are one of the happy campers being told what to do and who to protest. Remember this if nothing else. Rupert Murdock and his Yellow Journalists before him. Sell newspapers or in modern times cable or airwave commercials. Nothing to do with truth or facts. They juice up a story to sell newspapers. Pulitzer and Hearst had no problem with that. They knew what their positions were. Not journalists, newsmen. So when Ruppies fox hounds blab blab blab, one should already know its entertainment. On the flip side you don't see MSNBC start conflicts. They spend their time also selling news, but like democrats they spend most of their time defensively thwarting off attacks. Or whining about them as if that would change the rednecks attitudes. So if you have something to say, say it. If you just want to hurl names then I'm pretty good at that too. Have at it.

camaroman Yes, rigel1, many here seem to resort to name calling when their liberal crap is questioned or challenged.

Not as much as rushjob when his oxy is running low. Again your illiteracy is noted but remember your hero junior was more of a liberal than clinton. As long as you keep your head in the sand it will continue. Same as the drug war on kids caused by cowards not wanting to face the truth,

camaroman The liberal rich that embrace socialist ideas do not realize that it would destroy their wealth in the long run and probably wouldn't realize it until it was too late.

I think you should take a class in reality instead of making up crap or repeating fox gossip. The wealthy blue dawg democrats, redneck dixiekrats whose grandparents left Lincoln, joined Nixon against Johnson and Humphrey, after the Civil Rights Act was signed. The John Birchers/Birthers were commiephobes since Opium Junkie Joe McCarthy. The bluedawgs were also making profits on the Vietnam police action and sided against the protesters. Log cabin gays joined Rayguns for the deregulations I suppose. Making money at the expense of other gays. Family farmers joined Rayguns after Carter's Russian wheat embargo, Forming the modern Neocons. While you revert to old style tit for tat diversion, keeping their media propaganda free to chastize opponants while the neocons rape and pillage the treasury and omit any signs of protest on the streets. Pitifools thinking you're conservative. Ha! I laugh in your face! Just conservatudes or GOPerverts is more precise.

camaroman FDR was a CFR puppet. He puposely got us into WWII.

You mean purposely? You mean like his socialist policies to save our asses from Hoover sucking America dry in Depression. He got us into a war against the Nazi's, a group that most GOPerverts like you supported. Most xenophobes would rather let the planet dry up and blow away before intervention. While they can't wait to get into some gay guys bedroom with a movie camera collecting blue law evidence. Pitifools.

That is what they do...
What they've always done.
Then they write the History books.
...and do it all over again.

Prohibit Elected Lobbyists and Yellow Journalism

Lincoln hates GOPerverts.

"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

PS: My 396 Chevelle SS blew the doors off of every Camaro I ever street raced in the 70's.

PSS: Those protesting FDR... ❝Italian fascism and German Nazism had their admirers within the U.S. business community and the corporate owned press. Bankers, publishers, and industrialists, including the likes of Henry Ford, traveled to Rome and Berlin to pay homage, receive medals, and strike profitable deals. Many did their utmost to advance the Nazi war effort, sharing military industrial secrets and engaging in secret transactions with the Nazi government, even after the United States entered the war. During the 1920s and early 1930s, major publications like Fortune, the Wall Street Journal, Saturday Evening Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, and Christian Science Monitor hailed Mussolini as the man who rescued Italy from anarchy and radicalism.❞ ~ Parenti

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B_W, "That change I voted for is working out pretty well for me. My sons have health insurance when they otherwise would not."

Obamacare is nothing but an expansion of the existing healthcare system where corporations get to profit billions while the government pays for most of the most expensive healthcare and the taxpayer gets to pay for that and if he can afford it also pay for his. Besides Obamacare hasn,t even gone into full effect yet. And I am with lovecraft, if the SCOTUS strikes it down, how will that work out for you?

Sorry for the typos.

Compared to what we had Obamacare is golden. Compared to what we should have Obamacare sucks. If SCOTUS strikes it down then I'm no worse off than I was before now am I. What worries me is people like you that hope it is struck down just so you can cheer how many people it would hurt. I can see you and your brethren screaming, high fiving and throwing confetti. I truly hope that I'm wrong about that and you really just don't like the program for what it is but with comments like you just made it makes me feel that you are more spitefull than caring.

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Are you going to feel the same way when SCOTUS strikes it down? As a white male in his 50's who has been mostly un and underemployed since 2008-not feeling much change. I may never forgive Obama for going after healthcare 1st and not jobs-especially with the gutted bill he ended up with.

Absolutely I'll feel the same way. Obama made the change that he promised. If the Supremes strike it down am I now supposed to be pissed off at Obama? That makes a lot of sense. Obama has been fighting the steepest uphill battle that I can ever recall in all of my years of observing politics in the Presidency. He's taking on a challenge that NOBODY is ever guaranteed to win. If he gives it his best and doesn't get any positive change in this country then so be it. I'll take everything that I can get when it comes to making my country better for all. I don't hear many conservatives coming up with solutions to our country's problems. I hear the same old crap that we've been doing for the better part of the last 30 years. We need "NEW" solutions to problems or we will get the same old song and dance that didn't work in the first place.

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They are Rich because they either hate themselves or they are not true liberals. I say this bevauae true liberals would givr away all of their excess money if they are Rich they have not given it away. Which tells me they are not liberals or they hste themselves.

Postec from phone while drinking vodka

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lol

NICE

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No response because you know its true.

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Quote workingman:They are Rich because they either hate themselves or they are not true liberals. I say this bevauae true liberals would givr away all of their excess money if they are Rich they have not given it away. Which tells me they are not liberals or they hste themselves. Postec from phone while drinking vodka

LOL, I love it. (the vodka part)

I don't think that being labeled liberal means you give all of your money away. Being liberal is more about using money more productively for society in whole than just always trying to take as much as you can and hoard it like it's the precious.

Posted from laptop while drinking iced tea.

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Than why do they continue to attack conservatives for not oaying their fair share while hoarding their money And generation skipping to avoid taxes. Mike moore said there was plenty of money in the u.s. But nit in the right hands. Maybe he should lead by example And give it away before they come after mine.

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They are coming after your money.. However, it isn't liberals doing it...it's banksters and financiers.You'll get bled dry just like the Greeks, Spaniards, Irish, Italians, etc. It's called "Austerity Programs". Austerity for you to pay for greater wealth for a few.

You should probably learn how the real world functions. Your share of the pie is up for grabs.

"The countries that are doing very well in Europe are the Scandinavian countries. Denmark is different from Sweden, Sweden is different from Norway – but they all have strong social protection and they are all growing. The argument that the response to the current crisis has to be a lessening of social protection is really an argument by the 1% to say: “We have to grab a bigger share of the pie.”

– Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate, and former Chief Economist World Bank

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/08/austerity-backlash/

After the Nov. elections, feeding of the pigs at the trough will begin in earnest...regardless of which wing of the Corporate/Financial Party wins..

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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Than why do they continue to attack conservatives for not oaying their fair share while hoarding their money
I think they do that because Conservatives tend to not pay their fair share of taxes and they realy do hoard more than their fair share of the money.

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Than why do they continue to attack conservatives for not oaying their fair share while hoarding their money
I think they do that because Conservatives tend to not pay their fair share of taxes and they realy do hoard more than their fair share of the money.

Like half the people in the obama administration having issues because they did not pay their taxes.

I still think there should be no Rich liberals because they are living their beliefs. By donating 100% of every dime they make above what they need to survive in the middle class. Until they lead by example i Will not follow their ideals.

What is the Rich peoples fair share?

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The problem here workingman is that you have no idea what being a liberal means. Until you understand that there's no way you can know if liberals are living their beliefs. Being liberal doesn't mean you believe that you take what you need to survive and give away the rest. That is total nonsense.

Here's a pretty good, although not perfect illustration .

http://www.wasatchwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Liberal-Beliefs.gif

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Than why do they continue to attack conservatives for not oaying their fair share while hoarding their money
I think they do that because Conservatives tend to not pay their fair share of taxes and they realy do hoard more than their fair share of the money.

I disagree.

Certainly some conservatives hoard their money.

But McCain/Pailin got 48% of the popular vote in 2008.

48% of the population isn't hoarding their money.

And I'm guessing that 90% of that 48% has no money to hoard.

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But McCain/Pailin got 48% of the popular vote in 2008.

48% of the population isn't hoarding their money.

And I'm guessing that 90% of that 48% has no money to hoard.

Point taken.

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The problem here workingman is that you have no idea what being a liberal means. Until you understand that there's no way you can know if liberals are living their beliefs. Being liberal doesn't mean you believe that you take what you need to survive and give away the rest. That is total nonsense.

Here's a pretty good, although not perfect illustration .

http://www.wasatchwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Liberal-Beliefs.gif

I Will look at that in a bit, however from what i understand is liberals want money to be earnly distrabuted amoungst everyone so there are no Rich or poor. So in order to accomplish this the liberal should be donating everything they do not need to live on to the poor. They should have no savings no hoarding of any money at all pay your bills And give everything else away.

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There is no limit to the amount of good a liberal can do with someone else's money.

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from what i understand is liberals want money to be earnly distrabuted amoungst everyone so there are no Rich or poor.
There is no limit to the ignorance of the radical right-winger. Have you even read an article about what liberalism is? These things are really easy to find on the web from places other that Fox News. Wikipedia has a pretty good article on the subject. The language isn't too hard and most people can understand it.

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A popular misconception, liberals and progressives, just want to make sure everyone has a fair chance to be sucessfull which means education, and health care, clean air, water, and food. Regulations and taxes are done to accomplish this so no can cheat folks by selling them tainted food, or dangerous goods that can hurt them. Anybody remember the Pinto and Goodyear tires. The Ash dam that broke in East TN, the coal mine cave ins with Massey keeping two sets of safety records and taking the WV Supreme court justice on nice vacations. We need regulations and inspectors to prevent these things from occuring in a civil society

Rosevelts, and Kennedys are both Romeny rich, so now Liberals don't want an evern distributation of money but a fair distributation based on benefit to soceity and the good of mankind.

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from what i understand is liberals want money to be earnly distrabuted amoungst everyone so there are no Rich or poor.
There is no limit to the ignorance of the radical right-winger. Have you even read an article about what liberalism is? These things are really easy to find on the web from places other that Fox News. Wikipedia has a pretty good article on the subject. The language isn't too hard and most people can understand it.

Yes i have Read the article from wiki it said liberals wanted freedom for all equal opporutnity And supported capitalism. Which is the exact opposite of want the dems that call themselves liberals want. Like high taxes on the Rich, equal outcome not equal opportunity, free stuff for some at the expense of others. Socialism with hints of communism. No freedom unless it is sexual but only if the government pays for the birth control, child, And or illness gained through their own activity

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Recovering, "Regulations and taxes are done to accomplish this so no can cheat folks by selling them tainted food, or dangerous goods that can hurt them."

You bet, NOT, Monsanto and the FDA are not looking out for the regular folk.

http://www.smart-publications.com/articles/lies-and-deception-how-the-fda-does-not-protect-your-best-interests/

Recovering,"Rosevelts, and Kennedys are both Romeny rich, so now Liberals don't want an evern distributation of money but a fair distributation based on benefit to soceity and the good of mankind.

And who is to decide what is fair and best for "society" and mankind. All with YOUR tax money, not theirs.

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"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack & Michelle Obama do with mine."

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$2 billion lost at J.P. Morgan Chase. Poor judgment and bad behavior on the part of rich traders and banking executives is the reason that some rich people are liberals, because rich people can not only harm the middle class and poor with bad behavior; they can harm other rich people. Rich people are often involved with philathropy. They have first-hand knowledge, unlike the lower middle class conservative posters one runs into here, of what charitably giving can accomplish, and what it can't accomplish. They know that the government needs to exist and needs to function, because they were good students in college and learned and continue to have many interests beyond business and getting even richer.

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That why we have elections and you can vote for representatives. By our vote, we decide what is best for our society. Verrmont has done an excellent job with Senator Sanders

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camaroman wrote: There is no limit to the amount of good a liberal can do with someone else's money.

When the money was stolen by tax dodgers,
it's hard to make a claim that it's your money, they're spending.

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International Republican Business Boycott!

camaroman wrote: Yet today in America, the majority of rich people statistically are not Republicans but are liberal Democrats, many of them on the far left.

They read, things. They even write things, not just printing either. Perty. They drive cars and live in houses. We've corroborated with others and discovered they receive messages from elsewhere by government agents depositing papers into roadside rectangular boxes. Sometimes they eat from their own gardens and go to church. We've seen their kids get onto large square yellow vehicles and return later on. They watch movies and TV. They pay their taxes and donate to various causes of their free will choice. They seem to have a clue that clean air won't bankrupt Exxon and clean dirt is better for their kids to play on than chemically contaminated. Some GOPerverts think they're too fussy wanting clean water to drink when plastic bottles made from OPEC crud not American veggie oil, is good enough for rednecks.

camaroman wrote: They live in places like New York and Hollywood and San Francisco and Chicago and Silicon Valley, hardly the home turf of conservatism.

I think you answered your own question dude. hardly the home turf of conservatism. Another misnomer since no Republican is Conservative in the traditional sense. You're as far from traditional as heavy metal. Synthetic crude oil, killing forests, mountaintop removal for sulfur and pollution dirty carcinogenic coal. Nukes leaking radiation except we banned it, along with fluoridating our drinking water. No pollution, we even shut down any gas stations within a mile of the Ocean. Pretty clean and healthy place with the protected redwoods and coast and green belts. Thats what our taxes pay for because that is what we want as citizens. You want to give it to Saudi Arabia and the Dick Armey Insurance Lobby. Or selling Dyncorps products and Cheney Asbestos Co Halliburton servicing the troops all paid by taxes leaving local communities. You hate Americans especially workers and those who follow blindly are reaping their own rewards. shit in the well and you're gonna get sick. Then go pay Big Pharma for their hazardous substance white powder monopoly. Swigging beer made with what kind of water? In steel vats and miles of pipelines all giving some kid asthma in the processing. Not needed for toking a bud of Ganja. US cotton takes 90 million pounds of poisons aborting OpResQ mama's in the bible belt, frakin hypocrites. You make people sick and then sell them poisons with side effects to buy more. Then treat what you cause, never cure, never prevent. Wars and crime and disease you invent in Heritage Foundation Propaganda Tanks. With traitors like lush rimbaugh, and glum payline (Y'all look alike to me), to spread the hobgoblin hysteria.

camaroman wrote: Most of the richest congressional districts are represented by Democrats. Many of the richest people in the US congress are liberals.

Ok I'm sure sooner or later you will have a point. So called liberals are rich? Then it must be republicans on welfare, in that case shut it down! My mistake, if I thought I was paying for rednecks to slurp beer and old skinny toothless trailer park ladies smoking crank I'd reconsider and start hating like a good GOPer.

camaroman wrote: And the three richest men in America – Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Larry Ellison – all are liberals.

Maybe they'll buy it and evict non traditional conservatudes.

camaroman wrote: This runs contrary to the media fiction that the rich people in America are Republicans.

95% of all media is controlled by 5 corporations... go figure naive one.

camaroman wrote: This fiction is repeated over and over in the media in order to win over ignorant people to the Democrat party.

The rich ones are already won over sasha. The fiction is doublespeak you attempt, not very well. It's called mouthfarting all over the pages. Practice single side of mouth speaking, you're talking out of both sides. They're rich but they need to be won over by democrats. You sure you didn't hear Mittney's campaign will be run over by democrats?

camaroman wrote: And there are plenty of them, mostly among the angry, envious poor;

When you steal from people you cause poor to happen. Anger isn't far behind. Tax the rich and feed the poor until there are no rich or poor. You believe you require a handful of rich to build the pyramids. They were built by slaves. Not the pharos. When we the people make things and do services we don't need the rich. They have no inkling how to do anything. They pay their way and now the spoiled brats who have never seen sacrifice or work are ruling like tyrants until the people revolt. The Neocons are already International G-20 with no allegiance. Once again the rednecks side with hate and end up burned out alcoholics settling for right to work wages whimpering at the poor because of their skin color taught since child birth. The one thing you force your women to do until they too look like metheads. 9 kids and no job, two cars on blocks and enough beer cans to build the kids a fort. Smoking Kools and slugging whatever's on sale. Bitchin' about them liberals and what they do in their bedrooms and living rooms. Totally freaked out one of them might be having a good time. Self appointed moralists hung up on selected verses of the KJV. Aborting more pre-babies than Roe v Wade, giving kids cancer for minimum wage. Can't wait to throw some chemo patient in a for profit cage paid by taxes you saved kicking grandma off medicaid.

camaroman wrote: in the agitated and shrinking middle class;

The 'Virtues' of Ganja
Marijuana has been used in one form or another across many different cultures as an aphrodisiac for thousands of years. Marijuana has been used in India for at least 3,000 years to increase libido and conquer impotence.

Marijuana and Sex: A Classic Combination
Ancient tantrists and modern researchers agree:
pot and sex are two great things that go together

Ganja and Sex

Marijuana: the ultimate sex drug by Chris Bennett
CC22 - Nov/Dec 1999Cover

Sex, Drugs and Magick Special Issue ☀ Killer Cops ☀ Festival Fun ☀ Florida Fungus ☀ CC vs Congress ☀ Pineal Gland ☀ Aleister Crowley ☀ The Witch's Garden ☀ Ancient Pot Orgies

Metro's pro-pot ads get attention on Hill

camaroman wrote: and in the perpetually enraged labor union movement.

Fans Too Relaxed for Fights
Dutch authorities yesterday revealed the secret behind the successful security operation for England's opening Euro 2000 match against Portugal - a combination of a quiet word, happy music and cannabis. Despite the fallout between England fans and players following the 3-2 defeat there were no reports of any trouble outside the ground. Only five fans were arrested, all of them for minor offences, and not a single fan was arrested after the match.

Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm
Basketball Riots in L.A., Soccer Thugs in Europe
Euro 2000 Soccer Violence Could Vanish in a Puff
California Cops Go To Pot

camaroman wrote: AmericanLiberal legislation gives them license to go after any profit-making enterprise in America

Forfeiture $quads
Koch Roaches A.L.E.C. Drug Detention Centers
Heston died, NRA's Mandatory Minimum Didn't
Kochroach & Aleech...

Drug War Destroying the Moral Fabric of America

camaroman wrote: and to make themselves rich.

Cheney's Legacy of Fracking America to Death
Public fears are growing about contamination of drinking-water supplies from the chemicals used in fracking and from the methane gas itself. Field tests show that those worries are not unfounded. ... Yet states have let companies proceed without adequate regulations.

Ultimate corporate bailout- Repeal Price Anderson

Environment; Action on Dioxins in Food.

THE BUSH-CHENEY DRUG EMPIRE
Richard Cheney at leading Halliburton, Inc. to a five year $3.8 billion "pig-out" on federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans is only a partial indicator of what may happen if the Bush ticket wins in two weeks. A closer look at available research, including an August 2, 2000 report by the Center for Public Integrity (CPI) at www.public-i.org, suggests that drug money has played a role in the successes achieved by Halliburton under Cheney's tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000. This is especially true for Halliburton's most famous subsidiary, heavy construction and oil giant, Brown and Root.

GWBush Cocaine Cowboy 1 year gap in Bush's Guard
The Myth of "Liberal Bias" in the Media
Cannabis less harmful than aspirin

Cannabis Shrinks Tumors: Government Knew in 74
The ominous part is that this isn't the first time scientists have discovered that THC shrinks tumors. In 1974 researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institute of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia. The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research,

Lost political causes By William Buckley

camaroman wrote: Ford manufactured cars.

Ford Hemp Car - YouTube

Hemp Car.org/ford
"There's enough alcohol in one year's yeild of an acre of potatoes to drive the machinery necessary to cultivate the fields for one hundred years." - Henry Ford

Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated.

Ford And Deisel Never Intended Cars To Use Gasoline

camaroman wrote: Carnegie manufactured steel.

European plants are making auto panels from hemp based composites that are biodegradable, half the weight of, more durable, and safer than fiberglass counterparts. Most car companies are using 100% hemp car interior panels in all new models. Henry Ford made a hemp based car in the 1940’s that was more dent-resistant than steel. A sledgehammer blow could not even break the windows of these cars, which were made from hemp.

camaroman wrote: They produced basic goods that society needed,

Hemp-based houses, apartment building, office buildings, more
Hemp Information
History ☀ Uses Chart ☀ Body Care ☀ Building Material ☀ American Limetec ☀ Architecture ☀ Clothing / Textiles ☀ Food ☀ Fuel / Energy ☀ Livestock Bedding ☀ Feed ☀ Plastics ☀ Paper ☀ Environment / Soil ☀ Economy ☀ Politics

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camaroman wrote: and the middle class is shrinking as the wealth to support it is eroding away.

Strong corporate profits amid weak economy? = Outsourcing.

Corporate Welfare Rats
it's not that Americans don't feel sorry for the shitkicker ditties and teaboggins. But when the root of the tree is poison, so be the fruit. The GOPerverts represent Hate in every thing they do or attempt. Racism, classism, sexism at every step they spread hate. Demonizing, degrading undercutting, outsourcing, massive layoffs and gutting wages for pure profit shows their hatred for Americans. Neoconfederate GOPervert's are Pure evil. The solution is simple. Eat the rich. Conservative democrats and liberal republicans sort of put a damper in your O'really all points bulletin. Oh well I've never met a GOPervert who actually said what they mean. Always a means to an end. Every issue of Conservatudes is hate towards Americans. Every unsubstantiated piece of gossip is servitude so a few foreign corporate heads can prosper at the expense of American workers. Rednecks are easy, Just need a carrot and a stick. Or an Ole Milwaukee and a TV.

Victims of Teabog rhetoric?
Neocon Teabogs Really Are "Bloodlusting Terrorists"
Are the Teabogs Traitors, Serving a Southern Neoconfederacy?
Bush Crimes Against Humanity

NJ Guv Christ Christie, 48, Hospitalized for Asthma/Obesity
The use of cannabis for asthmatics goes back thousands of years in literature. American doctors of the last century wrote in medical papers that asthma sufferers of the world would “bless” Indian Hemp (cannabis) all their lives.
Granny Storm Crow's MMJ List
☀The Cannabinergic System as a Target for Anti-inflammatory Therapies
☀Acute and subacute bronchial effects of oral cannabinoids.
☀Comparison of bronchial effects of nabilone and terbutaline
☀Bronchial effects of aerosolized delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol
☀Bronchodilator effect of delta1-tetrahydrocannabinol administered by aerosol
☀Effects of smoked marijuana in experimentally induced asthma.
☀Marijuana and oral delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol on specific airway conductance
☀New Synthetic Delta-9-THC Inhaler Offers Safe, Rapid Delivery
☀Smoked marijuana and oral delta-9-THC on specific airway conductance in asthmatic subjects
☀Analgesic and Anti-inflammatory Activity of Constituents of Cannabis sativa L

“Taking a hit of marijuana has been known
to stop a full blown asthma attack.” ~ Jack Herer,
(Personal communication with Dr. Donald Tashkin,
December 12, 1989, and December 1, 1997.)

Cannabis Drug May Help Fight Obesity
Anti-Obesity Pill Might Fight Drug Abuse
Marijuana Munchies May Hold a Key to Obesity

Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1
"You're enough of a pro," Nixon tells Shafer, "to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell."
Missing Nixon tapes

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists."
Just What Was He Smoking?
Richard Nixon missing tapes

Conservatives Have Larger 'Fear Centers' in Their BrainsLinx
British study shows conservatives' brains tend to have larger amygdalas, which responsible for primitive emotions. Conservatives' brains have larger amygdalas than the brains of liberals. Amygdalas are responsible for fear and other "primitive" emotions. At the same time, conservatives' brains were also found to have a smaller anterior cingulate -- the part of the brain responsible for courage and optimism.

Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study yahoo
Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear, said the study on Thursday in Current Biology.

The fruits of elite immunity.

“If the people knew what we had done,
they would chase us down the street and lynch us.”
~ George H.W. Bush to journalist Sarah McClendon

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Probably liberals are more concerned with the survival of the human species while conservatives are primarily concerned with the survival of personal self-aggrandizing opulence.

It's a repeat of history over and over. When the few demand more from an economy than it can provide and throw the majority into destitution, the society collapses.

When the nation has syphoned so much of its resources into financial paper that it can't even repair or replace bridges of the Interstate System that have reached the end of their life expectancy, it's in deep doo doo. Liberals understand things like that. Conservatives don't..

The conservative grasp of national/global economic functioning is pure B.S. The "invisible hand" of the free market they cling to is defined by Nobel Laureate Economist Stiglitz as "a myth"..."a religion"..

The conservative grasp of social functioning is non-existent...thus the highest prison incarceration rate in the world.

"Ideological thinking can learn nothing new even if it is something that has just come to pass". - Arendt. Even after the global on-going economic meltdown brought about by unregulated finance and disappearing consumer purchasing power from the world economy....conservatives still don't get it. They can't.

Sometimes, like King Louis, they end up losing their heads. Sometimes, someone like FDR comes along with liberal reforms and saves them from being hung from the nearest lamp post.

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease".

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DcD- And most of them are f---ing HYPOCRITS!!! You are either paraniod or have a serious case of diarrhea of the mind. Ah, yes, sunny California, the most broke , indebt state in the union. People and businesses are leaving like ants for a new colony. Trouble is a lot of them are coming to Texas, dammit.

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Quote THISAA:

"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack & Michelle Obama do with mine."

TAXES

“Taxation is about all there is to government. People don’t want their taxes lowered near as much as the politician tried to make you believe. People want just taxes more than they want lower taxes. They want to know that every man is paying his proportionate share according to his wealth. All taxes should be on income, and where there is no income - either personally or on your property - you shouldn’t pay anything. You should pay on things that you buy outside of bare necessities. For a man to give up three million out of four is tough. But on the other hand, 90 percent of the people would be willing to give up 99 percent of a million if allowed to make one. You can’t legitimately kick on taxes when the money has been made. It’s taxes on farms, ranches and business property that has lost money for years. Thos folks have the holler coming. Now excuse me while I hide before some of my good friends shoot me.”

Will Rogers

TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS

It seems that every Republican President this century who left a trashed economy upon leaving office, starting with Herbert Hoover, believed in “trickle down" economics. Will Rogers explains why, despite its devastating effects on the poor, the GOP may forever be enamored of the concept.

“The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover didn’t know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands.”

Will Rogers

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Quote Bush_Wacker:
Quote THISAA:

"Apparently, I'm supposed to be more angry about what Mitt Romney does with his money than what Barack & Michelle Obama do with mine."

TAXES

“Taxation is about all there is to government. People don’t want their taxes lowered near as much as the politician tried to make you believe. People want just taxes more than they want lower taxes. They want to know that every man is paying his proportionate share according to his wealth. All taxes should be on income, and where there is no income - either personally or on your property - you shouldn’t pay anything. You should pay on things that you buy outside of bare necessities. For a man to give up three million out of four is tough. But on the other hand, 90 percent of the people would be willing to give up 99 percent of a million if allowed to make one. You can’t legitimately kick on taxes when the money has been made. It’s taxes on farms, ranches and business property that has lost money for years. Thos folks have the holler coming. Now excuse me while I hide before some of my good friends shoot me.”

Will Rogers

TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS

It seems that every Republican President this century who left a trashed economy upon leaving office, starting with Herbert Hoover, believed in “trickle down" economics. Will Rogers explains why, despite its devastating effects on the poor, the GOP may forever be enamored of the concept.

“The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover didn’t know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands.”

Will Rogers

What does all your gibberish have to do with my post? How is your ADHD going for you today?

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The trickle down has to do with Mitt's money. The taxes has to do with your complaining about paying taxes. If you don't see the connection maybe you're the one having an ADHD problem.

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I would like to answer a question: Why did so many of the rich vote for Obama? As examples I can site: Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, George Soros, and Donald Trump. At least we can say they all supported Barack Obama in the most recent campaign with contributions. So did Wall Street and big business as their contributions also went mostly to the Democratic Party. It seems to defy common sense as the Democratic Party supposedly represents people who have less wealth not more wealth. Indeed the democrats are for higher taxes, regulations, income redistribution, and (supposedly) equality. These are all things that presumably would make the rich less rich. So why did the rich support the Obama?

Let me first offer some possibilities other than the reason I have in mind. For one it's part of being elite now in America. It’s part of fitting in with the crowd. It's also part of getting along with the leftist media. Another theory is that the very rich having more money than they need tend to value stability. So if a system that presupposes that it represents the poor is in power what can the poor complain about? Nothing, hence stability is achieved. These may be partial reasons, but there is another reason that I think gets more to what we might call the psychological motivations of elitism.

To make sense of it we first have to consider human behavior. The elites want to be elite. They enjoy being elite. They work hard at becoming elite and at maintaining their elite status. Now the psychology of anyone in such an exclusive situation is that they want to protect the exclusivity of it. Once they get there they don’t just give up and become a bunch of philanthropists. Yes, I know that’s what they want you to believe. They might even believe it themselves, but the reality is they want to increase their status any way they can. In fact now that they are elite they want it to be harder for others to get that way.

It’s similar say to owning gold. If you owned gold would you be happy if they discovered a gold reserve with ten times the gold previously known? Or what if you just bought a stock you thought was going to go up a lot. Would you be happy if you found out they were going to issue more shares? Whatever your profession is imagine if 10,000 more highly qualified unemployed people of that same profession were moving to town. How would you feel? The reality is most people psychologically at least want to protect the exclusivity of what they have achieved relative to others. Most elites would psychologically like to see it harder to become elite. They would like to see the elite class move up relative to the other classes. That’s equivalent to what they have been working so hard to achieve. This is basic human psychology. Humans always want more even if they apparently have everything

Consider Georg Soros. He got rich by making investments. He is already as wealthy as wealthy can be. He found as he made even more money it didn’t continue to increase his status relative to others. Even ten times more money wasn’t going to make a difference. So he found himself in a situation where further gains in status through increasing his wealth were increasingly difficult. Do you think he gave up? No one day, after being rich for some time, George had an ingenious thought. He realized: he can move up relative to others only if their wealth decreases.It doesn't do any good for Soros to double his money yet again, and it doesn’t harm him to half it, but if he can half your money even if he thirds his own then his power relative to you increases. Why: he is still rich and can buy the same as before but you can't. His elite status is expanded by diminishing yours. It’s was his only option. It makes perfect sense from a psychological point of view.

OK, you say the elites want to be elites, but that still doesn’t explain why they favor the democrats. After all again you say the democrats are the party of the poor. They are the party of equality and so on. You say it still seems to defy common sense. My answer is: Have a look around the world. All the countries that have tried socialism have decreased their economic output. As economic output decreases it gets more and more difficult to join the elite circles.

Now, let’s go back to our theory. Please look at it from the psychological point of view. As economic output decreases the elites obtain more of what was getting increasingly difficult to obtain: exclusivity. Further since they are already richer than they need to be they can still buy everything they want, but now they are the only people in society that can do it. Their status is unimaginably increased. For those who now have less, and had little before, they are much worse off. The poor are always hit the worst especially the working poor. They are the dogs of any socialist society. So as socialist policies ensue the elites enhance their status by increasing the poverty of others. They get to do this all the while they also get to pretend they care. They are for the party of the poor.

Lets go back to George Soros. He was an investor. Do you think he isn't acutely aware that socialist policies reduce a nations economic output? Do you think he doesn't realize that when there is less output someone has to have less. Do you think he doesn't factor in that if the government confiscates money to give to leftist elites then that means even less yet still for some poor worker. He knows, but he's an elite. He's just trying to enhance his status.

Now there are other elite classes on the left. The Democratic Party has a broad spectrum of special interest groups that all share in the confiscated money taken mostly from the working middle classes and the poor. The Democratic Party doesn’t just represent the super rich it also represents these professional classes. These classes are also a form of elites. Their psychology is similar. In this way we can see how elitism is the central unifying force that holds the Democratic Party and the left together.

Let’s look at it from a regulations standpoint. Do you think the big companies want to end regulations? Who do you think has the advantage if hundreds or thousands of lawyers are necessary to produce a car a big company or a new startup? The same goes for any enterprise. Regulations favor established companies that can afford the lawyers, accountants and required bureaucracy to meet the regulations. Small companies can’t begin to compete. Do you think big companies want to increase their competition? Especially corrupt inefficient ones? No, that’s why Wall Street and big business support the democrats. So, yet another group of elites has joined to coalition.

In conclusion, the elites support the democrats because they want to enhance and protect their status.

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I would like to answer a question: Why did so many of the rich vote for Obama?
Just off the top of my head; maybe because they thought he would be a better President than John McCain? Just guessing. They didn't get rich by being stupid.

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Another day, another stupid assault on the truth by the fossil fuel industry and its paid lackeys. In a recent op-ed for the New York Post, Tom Harris, the executive director of the so-called International Climate Science Coalition -- an organization that’s funded, in part, by the fossil fuel industry -- blasted Leonardo DiCaprio for his work on “Carbon,” a new documentary on climate change that I helped write and present.

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