Why I could never be a Democrat

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antikakistocrat
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1) They too are controlled by the Bilderbergers.

2) Too much phony environmentalism.

3) Too many closet socialists in the party

4) Too much phony feminism in the party.

5) It always seem the irresponsible and stupid have more rights than the thinking person.

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camaroman
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Anti, whikle i agree with you

Anti, whikle i agree with you about dems, I feel the same about repubs. Both parties are controlled by their corporate masters whether some realize it or not.

antikakistocrat
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rigel1
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camaroman wrote: Anti, whikle

camaroman wrote:

Anti, whikle i agree with you about dems, I feel the same about repubs. Both parties are controlled by their corporate masters whether some realize it or not.

Good answer. Most folks in this forum put blind trust in anyone with a "D" in front of their name. I don't trust either unless they have earned my trust. Being a government official does not make one more honest or less greedy than a private sector type. There is corruption everywhere. Most of the T.H. people seem to believe that government types are all saints.

Art
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Quote:Most folks in this

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Most folks in this forum put blind trust in anyone with a "D" in front of their name.
That just isn't true. You haven't been here long enough to have read all the criticism Obama has gotten from liberals on this board. Some have concluded that he is a tool of the Oligarchy, others are just not ready to go there yet. The only place where we are in accord is that a vote for any Republican or Libertarian is a vote for disaster. 

Art
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Quote: Most folks in this

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 Most folks in this forum put blind trust in anyone with a "D" in front of their name
I understand that you really, really, REALLY want to get back at us for all the mean things we've said about you and your President Bush, but can't you at least come up with your own insults? (The "D" and the "R" usually appear after the name).

douglaslee
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You don't have to be

You don't have to be anything, just vote for your own interest. Half the republicans vote against their interests. Some democrats do as well, the Nader votes put 2 justices in that will be there for 30 years. Independent progressives and liberals tend to see the long term. Independant conservatives think of the next year, or whatever fox and rush tells them to think. The only reason conservatives seek the independant label is because john birch and kochs don't have a party.

One situation allows you to vote looney, and that's if you are in a state, or DC that is pre-ordained electorally. The one election I did not vote in was '88. I was in DC then, and my vote was inconsequential. Other than that, my votes in OH, then FL have been important. My vote in 2000 was tossed, absentee in FL.

Scappoose
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When 3rd parties rise up and

When 3rd parties rise up and begin to gather substantial numbers of voters the main parties stand up and take notice.

It's been argued that the rise of the socialist and communist parties along with Huey Long etc is what pushed FDR to be so liberal.

So with that as a historical basis people should vote 3rd party as the real way to get Obama to change.

Although I doubt that would work,

Lets face it Obama is a closet republican.

For example Michael Taylor -Obama's Food Czar is the past VP of Monsanto. And was 1st named to the FDA by Bush Senior - then went back to Monsanto and back to the federal guv multiple times. Taylor is the definition of revolving door and the merging of government and corporate power.

Now the dems are lined with Monsanto to push the killer seed into Africa where it will cross pollinate with the traditional seeds Afrcians use to plant the next years crops.

The Monsanto seeds will not germinate and will force African subsistence farmers to purchase new seeds every year - which they cannot do as they are in deep poverty.

So enriching one of the most destructive corporations in the world on the backs of the poorest citizens in the world.

The Obama model.

mauiman58
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Rigel, good point.  Those in

Rigel, good point.  Those in the private sector make no bones about the fact that they are out to make as much money for themselves as they can.  However elected officials number one goal is to get re elected (both sides of the aisle), not serve the people.  They are no more or less corrupt than the private sector as a whole.  I totally agree with you that this is a point that most TH people completely miss, elected officails are not saints, they lie, steal, and cheat just as much as the private sector. 

rigel1
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Art wrote: Quote: Most folks

Art wrote:

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 Most folks in this forum put blind trust in anyone with a "D" in front of their name
I understand that you really, really, REALLY want to get back at us for all the mean things we've said about you and your President Bush, but can't you at least come up with your own insults? (The "D" and the "R" usually appear after the name).

Art, Art, Art. As a great man once said, "There you go again."

Okay it's time for you to man up.

When have I ever promoted George Bush? Bring up the post or admit that you are wrong.

I'm not interested in getting back at anyone. You are making a lame assed assumption based on something you hope to be true. Wrong again.

You can't back up neither of these accusations. But I have great news for you. You don't have to assume. If you want to know my beliefs just ask me, I won't hold back. You will never have to assume again. Fair enough?

So you really care where I put the D or R? That bugs you? Jeez man, It doesn't take much does it? I'll put before, after, in the middle, over or under. Sorry if it rattles your chain. Lighten up Francis.

Two strikes. One more and you whiff. 

Oh, and what meaness are you talking about? I like the folks in this forum. Who are you speaking of that has been mean to me? I don't remember any meaness. Got any names? 

Art
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My mistake. You are sometimes

My mistake. You are sometimes indistinguishable from others here.

dhavid
Why I could never be a

Why I could never be a Republican:

-I haven't enough money to be utterly selfish.

-I care about the plight of the poor and needy in this country.

-I am against killing innocent people in the name of "democracy."

-I am too intelligent to fall for their overwhelming bullshit.

spicoli
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antikakistocrat wrote: 1)

antikakistocrat wrote:

1) They too are controlled by the Bilderbergers.

2) Too much phony environmentalism.

3) Too many closet socialists in the party

4) Too much phony feminism in the party.

5) It always seem the irresponsible and stupid have more rights than the thinking person.

This sounds like another right wing attempt to discourage voting.  Yes, the Democrats suck, but the Republicans are insane!  You need to vote and get your friends to vote Democrat.  Then get active and push the Democrats around just like the Republicans do.  Activism doesn't work when you have corporate bought and sold Republicans in office.  The anti Iraq War protests were the worlds largest ever, but they had no effect on the Bush administration and the Republican congress.

Not voting is disrespectful to the people who died for our right to vote.

Paul Weyrich - Goo-Goo Syndrome

 

EdBourgeois
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I just can't see why everyone

I just can't see why everyone can't understand why I'm always right and your always wrong. I have no idea how you can think as you do. Why do you want to destroy our childrens future while I'm saving them. It's obvious you just don't care. You must be defeated. And stay defeated for america to be free and fair. Once you understand this then maybe we can talk.

Interesting how both parties will stake claim to this.

douglaslee
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Ed, you must love the IN

Ed, you must love the IN senate nominee murdock. A john bircher redux. Since there is no hope of compromise, the sequestation will proceed in the lame duck session. The only solution to a bought congress is to set the system up to avoid responsibility. Once the tax cuts are rescinded, maybe, just maybe they will never again return.  The 3 trillion dollar war waged on credit made money for a slew of  republican donors, a claw back ought to be pursued, and the war costs rewritten as a loan to halliburton and blackwater, and ge, and northrup grumman, and pratt whitney, and....

rigel1
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Art wrote: My mistake. You

Art wrote:

My mistake. You are sometimes indistinguishable from others here.

We all make mistakes ( especially me). You're a good man Art.

dhavid
Ed says "I just can't see why

Ed says "I just can't see why everyone can't understand why I'm always right and your always wrong."

That would be "you're" rather than your - other than that, you're pretty funny.

Using your logic, that both sides consider themselves always right and therefore neither is, Jesus and the Devil are kissing cousins.

ah2
In other words, he is a

In other words, he is a shining example of how conservatives have lower IQs than liberals.  =D

spicoli
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EdBourgeois wrote: I just

EdBourgeois wrote:

I just can't see why everyone can't understand why I'm always right and your always wrong. I have no idea how you can think as you do. Why do you want to destroy our childrens future while I'm saving them. It's obvious you just don't care. You must be defeated. And stay defeated for america to be free and fair. Once you understand this then maybe we can talk.

Interesting how both parties will stake claim to this.

This is just another way to discourage voting.  It is the "both parties are the same" argument.  If both parties are the same then why vote?  Both parties are not the same!  The parties are on the opposite ends of lots of issues like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the environment, civil rights, taxes and a whole bunch more.

You need to vote and get your friends and family to vote for Democrats!

Recovering cons...
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For Monday Morning, here is

For Monday Morning, here is explaination why you should vote republican:

http://synthetichuman.com/imvotingrepublican/

or

http://www.directorslive.com/comedy/im-voting-republican-short-comedy-film

 

have a good week.

 

antikakistocrat
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spicoli

spicoli wrote:

antikakistocrat wrote:

1) They too are controlled by the Bilderbergers.

2) Too much phony environmentalism.

3) Too many closet socialists in the party

4) Too much phony feminism in the party.

5) It always seem the irresponsible and stupid have more rights than the thinking person.

This sounds like another right wing attempt to discourage voting.  Yes, the Democrats suck, but the Republicans are insane!  You need to vote and get your friends to vote Democrat.  Then get active and push the Democrats around just like the Republicans do.  Activism doesn't work when you have corporate bought and sold Republicans in office.  The anti Iraq War protests were the worlds largest ever, but they had no effect on the Bush administration and the Republican congress.

Not voting is disrespectful to the people who died for our right to vote.

Paul Weyrich - Goo-Goo Syndrome

If I am getting people to look at 3rd party options how is that discouraging voting ?

Do you want to keep voting in the 2 Bilderberg parties and keep getting screwd then fine do so.  The rest of us want to have other options cuz we know when the 2 main horses in the race have the same owners.

Make the Bilderberg connection = discourage voting  ??

Huh, I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

Recovering cons...
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If we agree that the

If we agree that the Bilderberg's have won will you go away to your bomb shelter?

Or the Mason's, illuminati, or whoever you believe in charge of the current conspiracy theory. You do realize that they can track you on internet, cell phone, all the electronic chips in your microwave, TV.  The folks on Thom’s website embrace the new world order.

You need to hurry and head to your bomb shelter, and get rid of all devices with electronic chips so they can’t track you and take you to reeducation camps

References  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories or http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3483477/The-30-greatest-conspiracy-theories-part-1.html or http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/magazine/15-11/st_best

spicoli
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antikakistocrat wrote: If I

antikakistocrat wrote:

If I am getting people to look at 3rd party options how is that discouraging voting ?

Do you want to keep voting in the 2 Bilderberg parties and keep getting screwd then fine do so.  The rest of us want to have other options cuz we know when the 2 main horses in the race have the same owners.

Make the Bilderberg connection = discourage voting  ??

Huh, I'm sorry but I just don't see it.

Voting for a third part equals not voting at all (Exceptions are Bernie Sanders and local elections in limited areas).  There is no chance for the third party candidate to win.  This is why the Tea Party is trying to take over the Republican Party.

Our system is flawed because it will always default to two parties.  The equilibrium is at 50%.

EdBourgeois
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spicoli wrote:Our system is

spicoli wrote:
Our system is flawed because it will always default to two parties.  The equilibrium is at 50%.

The equilibrium is really +/- 50%? 50% what? Isn't this just the way the 2 parties have layed out the game?

camaroman
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Why do we need a strong third

Why do we need a strong third party? The last statistic I read was 52 % favor a strong third party and that is down from 58% Three reason for a third party. 

 First, both parties’ chief aim is to win elections, not solve problems. Second, both parties are prisoner to big corporations, interest groups and ideological litmus tests that prevent them from blending the best of liberal and conservative thinking. Finally, neither party trusts us enough to lay out the facts and explain the steps we need to take to truly fix things.

spicoli
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EdBourgeois wrote: [ The

EdBourgeois wrote:

[ The equilibrium is really +/- 50%? 50% what? Isn't this just the way the 2 parties have layed out the game?

The two parties did not lay out the game.  The founding fathers did and it was something they over looked.  They created a presidential 50% +1 system.  I suspect that is why new democracies are parliamentary systems.  You can't blame them, they were creating something new from scratch and you are bound to make mistakes on a first draft.

We would be much better off with a parliamentary system.  Then you could vote for a party that better represents you and they would form coalitions with like minded parties.  If we had a parliamentary system I would be voting for the Green Party.  Since we don't, I vote for Democrats because voting any other way is like not voting at all.

To better make your voice heard register with a third party, but vote for Democrats.

lovecraft
Don't be too concerned about

Don't be too concerned about labels. Assess each issue and vote your way.

captbebops
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A bit late to the party here

A bit late to the party here but I'm not a registered Democrat either.  In California I'm a "Non Partisan Voter" much to Thom's chagrin.  But many here have said they are too.  BTW, it used to be called "Decline to State" but I recall that DHS for a while was contemplating that TSA might ask you your party affiliation when you fly which was fortunately nipped in the bud.  Could you image what might happen with that gestapo if you said "decline to state?"

Oh and I'm an "open socialist" and becoming almost 100% though I do believe that small business should be allowed.  Why going more socialist?  Well, I've been watching HBO's excellent documentary series "Weight of the Nation" and it is appalling what the big food corporations have contributed to obesity, especially childhood, all in the name of profits.  It has made me decide that probably the human animal isn't evolved enough for capitalism to work.

BTW, HBO has graciously made the documentary available for watching on their website, YouTube and some streaming services for free and without being an HBO subscriber.  They are even encouraging public showings.

 

 

Yammerman
Our nation was founded w/o

Our nation was founded w/o political parties. That parties would come into existence was said at the time to be an invitation to mischief.
Oh well. It happened. Would that we had a parliamentarian system with proportional representation, but we don't.
The American dream is alive and (mostly) well in Germany and France. Thank you, George C. Marshall, RIP.
Would that I could have my way, our nation would be the American interpretation of those nations. So that makes me a euro socialist. Fine. I'll have it.
As an American, I have to chose. I'm a Democrat.
With the Democratic party, there's a slim to none chance that our country may go as I would have it so.
With the Republicans, not one wee bit of it.
Republicans aren't even Americans any more. They're with the nation, multinationalolygarcorp. As they are, they are of one of two divisions. One is the moneyed willfully allegiant. The other is the chumps and dupes.
Please get out and vote. Vote for the most progressive, New new deal Democrat you can find on the ballot.
Franklyn D. Roosevelt couldn't have done the New Deal w/o congressional cooperation.
If you're a Republican, Please vote Democratic, just this one time around. Please try to restore your party to something honorable to the memory of Barry Goldwater, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Everett Derkson, as well as many other fine folks not mentioned here, and Theodore Roosevelt.

EdBourgeois
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captbebops wrote:  I've been

captbebops wrote:

 I've been watching HBO's excellent documentary series "Weight of the Nation" and it is appalling what the big food corporations have contributed to obesity, especially childhood, all in the name of profits.  It has made me decide that probably the human animal isn't evolved enough for capitalism to work

I'd been waiting for part 4 and just watched it tonight. That talks about food industries and farming. They did a good job. Was nice to see a long time friend John Ikerd in it. I think the kind of alternative farming/food system you could like isn't that far away. People are starting to get why things must change. And if it happens in food it could spread with a new model infrastructure.  As successful integrated local food/farming hubs work things out it will make local/regional financing more attractive for whole infrastructure systems in many areas. Substantially increasing availability. Farming will become based on living organic soils managed with integrations of diverse crops and animals.