The answer to fascism is not socialism, welfarism or New Dealism. It's liberty.

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A lot of progressives think that they are somehow opposing fascism by embracing other forms of big government statism. Socialism, welfarism, interventionism and the corporatist New Deal, are all sisters to, not opposites, of fascism. The answer to fascism can be found in a decentralized Republic.

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Since we're fighting a war of ideas in the heavy clouds of opinion, you can say whatever you want.

Nevertherless, I'll never recant.

American Fascists from the early 1900's, when fascism was a fad amongst the Pharaohs, are my ancestors, and the wound up controlling the CIA in 1951, because they had taken over that agency then.

My grandfather, the first IG of CIA, was the 'architect' of CIA operations as we made friends with the Nazis and geared up to kill billions in a 'war' on Communism.

The Bush family were their young apprentices, and finally delivered on Goebbels promise, that Americans would deliver America to fascism.

I fought these guys for the last 60 years of my life.

If you re-elect Obama, America has a chance.

The Republican 'Conservative' agenda is fascism, and all of you who support it are the figments of the imagination of the Master Fascists who led you down this grotesque path.

And they are all dead as hell, the ones who actually started this.

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As disillusioned as I am with Obama and disgusted with our entire political process, I can't say that I am certain of much ..... except the fact that the Republican party is not the answer to any of our problems. In fact I'd say that the GOP is not even solely responsible for our problems. We are all responsible to some extent, but the Republicans are a guarantee on flushing whatever remnants of democracy we have left down the toilet sooner than later.

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So the corporations can buy state legislators, who are cheaper than the federal ones? How does the republic protect me and mine from corporations?

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Labor, " We are all responsible to some extent, but the Republicans are a guarantee on flushing whatever remnants of democracy we have left down the toilet sooner than later."

Obama is doing has been very adept at pulling the handle!!! NDAA and asassination of American citizens without due process come to mind.

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One view of republican [they used to be pro labor at their inception] visionist [they are not capitalists] is red state fascists relabled visionists or libertiests, or freedomistas [still trying for that latino vote] will kill all regulations, have no demand base [slaves don't spend] and depend on the blue states that still have a middle class, and infrastructure. So really a replay of pre-civil war America. States rights rule, feds have no right to legislate civil rights [Rand Paul's position]. White supremacists believe in freedom, and patriotism, and jesus.

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If you are disillusioned with Obama and disgusted at our system then you have acheived escape velocity in your brainwashing.

Because now you feel exactly the way the fascists want you to feel.

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If you are disillusioned with Obama and disgusted at our system then you have acheived escape velocity in your brainwashing.

Because now you feel exactly the way the fascists want you to feel.

But, the joke's on them. I refuse to vote for the most fascist of our parties (the GOP). I think they have over-reached. I never expected the Tea Party to keep them afloat for this long, but racism is a very useful political tool. The best Obama will be able to do for us is keep the GOP out of the White House.

There are many Americans more than willing to take the country on a left turn, but will never do so with the black guy in the drivers seat. Obama will have to suffice until a solid lefty white man (Sherrod Brown) takes the wheel in 2016, we can make that turn and hit the gas pedal.

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Quote TheFirstLeftist:

A lot of progressives think that they are somehow opposing fascism by embracing other forms of big government statism

The first sign that someone is trying to sell a logical fallacy, like they are trying to sell a worn out used philosophy, is when they begin with something like:

"A lot of progressives think that...."

Then they might present the worn out used philosophy in all is dented paint-peeling splendor:

Quote TheFirstLeftist:

The answer to fascism can be found in a decentralized Republic

And thus we find ourselves once again on the sales lot for used 19th century libertarian philosophies of economic-oriented liberty.

Here we have a worn out used philosophy fallacy that translates into: remove the public's long struggled for and cooperatively arrived at counter forces of regulation and public safety standards so that the "decentralized" republic will then be completely vulnerable, once again, to an inverted totalitarian private tyrannical corporate system that results from the freedom to sell oneself like commodified chattel capital to the highest bidding private property owners, and to have the individual slaves choose how these private sociopathic production tyrannies will profligate by buying the products that the wage slaves themselves produce with the proceeds of the sale of their liberty while the owners skim the oily scum of profits from the top of the boiling pot.

Economic Liberty and Decentralized Government

5. Such decentralized government is favorable, indeed essential, to America's traditional philosophy and system of economic liberty--the inseparable and indispensable economic aspect of the indivisible whole of Individual Liberty-Responsibility. This includes the system of individual, private, competitive enterprise (called Individual Enterprise--the term used by President Jefferson in his 1801 Annual Message to Congress). This system features a free-market economy--free from Government-over-Man controls, although subject to just regulation as authorized by the Constitution's pertinent provisions) under just laws expressive of "just powers" (to use the term of the Declaration of Independence) designed to protect the equal rights of all Individuals and thus to safeguard sound competition--which gives full play to individual initiative inspired by the incentive of economic liberty of The Individual and is a main characteristic of the traditional American philosophy. This right is not a goal or end, in and of itself, but a necessary means, and it is an essential and main support of Man's unalienable rights. It involves freedom of choice by both producer-seller and consumer-buyer, subject always to the potently persuasive influence of community opinion and standards in the sound environment of an ethical society which emphasizes the duty factor of Individual Liberty-Responsibility, including due respect for the equal rights of others. This means that the central government is limited strictly to the consistent role of mere regulation (not control) to those ends--regulation as limited by the Constitution. This excludes any control by the central government directly or indirectly of the whole or any part of the national economy, which includes all of the people's economic activities.

The free-market economy is controlled by the people as a whole through their acting as buyers and sellers--a multitude of Individuals generally acting individually as both buyer and seller of things or services a number of times each day in the ordinary course of life's daily activities, involving transactions great or small--through their exercise of freedom of choice daily, even hourly; for example, the free-market economy is both a result and instrument of the exercise of this freedom of Individuals--not a mechanistic, independently operating "Thing" which oppressively controls human beings.

This Orwellian hypothesis is then regurgitated over and over as liberty and freedom for all in a mind numbing hypnosis process these private tyrannies developed through their now controlled "de"-centralized (i.e. deregulated) government they use at their whim to keep themselves propped up whenever their profligate gambling ventures fail -- a hypnosis process called mass marketing. When anyone objects to the inverted totalitarian nature of this non-acknowledgeable inverted totalitarian system that now permeates the entire planet with absolutely no impediment from now absent people-organized and determined republics or other forms of human cooperative governing processes, they are informed that they can choose to go elsewhere and sell themselves.

Remember, you can individually decide to oppose anything. You simply are not allowed to ever get together with others to form a group opposition. That's "collectivism" a la Ayn Rand, or socialism, a la Hayek, and the inevitable road to serfdom.

Exactly how this pot of boiling oil is supposed to be kept boiling when people wake up and attempt to jump out of yet another form of tyranny is not mentioned either. Perhaps the market pot itself will cook up the tools of coercion when the inverted hegemony fails, like, perhaps... ah! voilla! Academi services -- previously known as Xe Services, LLC, Blackwater USA, and Blackwater Worldwide.

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