The evidence for global climate change is overwhelming

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New information from the National Snow and Ice Data Center show that Arctic sea ice is at its lowest level ever for this time of year. As many as 57,900 square miles of ice have disappeared – which is more than double the normal rate.

There are several dangers to the rapid loss of ice in the Arctic – including changing salt levels in the ocean that could have major implication on the Gulf Stream and weather patterns.

Also, melting ice could lead to the release of methane that could accelerate the warming of the planet and warmer water that could kill off stuff like phytoplankton, wreaking havoc on the global food chain and threatening the survival of the species on top of the food chain…humans.

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Just because the science denying conservatives do not "believe" in climate changes doesn't mean it's not happening.

It's like them not "believing" in gravity, science fact is science fact.

Climate change isn't Tinker Bell who needs people to believe in her for her to exist... it just IS.

So we all need to get over it, stop arguing and deal with it.

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Conservatives believe in climate change, they just don't believe that we humans have anything to do with it. It's almost as if it's God's wrath being placed upon us for trying to allow abortions and gay marriage according to some of them. I remember when AIDS was first showing it's ugly head. A large portion of conservative christians believed it was a punishment from god for having gay sex. Some days I believe that we devolve as humans more than we evolve.

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New information from the National Snow and Ice Data Center show that Arctic sea ice is at its lowest level ever for this time of year. As many as 57,900 square miles of ice have disappeared – which is more than double the normal rate.

If by "EVER" you mean since 1979. Than you are correct. You you mean "EVER" to mean Forever. You are grossly mistaken.

I will also note you never seem to mention that the Antarctic Ice has been expanding since 1979.

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The issue is so much more complex than climate change. Climate change is like talking about the canary in the mine shaft in comparison.

Climate change is a symptom of something much more broadly systemic, much more potentially devastating, and the result of a rapidly expanding human industrial processes driven by the cheap energy we began to exploit through its related technologies, including the Green Revolution's industrial agriculture. We must recognize these things we live by now are the foundation of this complex global environmental degradation. That's where the discussion needs to go, not the ever recurring return to this single symptom, climate change. If we can't expand our understanding and the discussion, we just feed the deniers with that canary in a mine shaft topic.

To talk around these deniers who will trot out their endless concoction of atomistic denier statistics, we have to broaden the discussion to a level they are incapable of comprehending because they can't think in terms of complex environmental systems. But then... maybe most people can't and maybe that's why this problem we, as a now self-created planet-round cancerous species, are creating will kill most of the life as we know it on the planet. And humans are part of that life too, though most don't seem to know it anymore.

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Alarmist Tripe

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IMO, this is another mind-blowing issue that will only change if we get rid of the corporotacracy and oligarchizm. As long as that global takeover is not broken, this will never be approached with a seriousness of intent to scientifically globally conquer.

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IMO, this is another mind-blowing issue that will only change if we get rid of the corporotacracy and oligarchizm. As long as that global takeover is not broken, this will never be approached with a seriousness of intent to scientifically globally conquer.

Change is not necessarily about conquering something.

If those of us who recognize what happens to us when we take part in the institutional systematization of this process can awaken to that change occurring within ourselves, we may recognize that we need not take part in it. We have choice. We may see we don't have to blackmailed by fear to pick up our spears and march off to work every day for the oligarchs of the corporatocracy. But that involves an awakening, and that also involves a conscious effort to look and see different ways of doing our own lives that can actually remove us from a co-dependency with the system.

That is actually quietly happening all around us. People are simply refusing to pick up the spears of corporatocracy and are choosing to go off to learn, to invent, and to do different ways of living that are more sensitive to our interaction with life on this planet. That does not mean going back to live in caves and to making stone tools. It does entail a radical re-evaluation of what we are each doing every day. The doing of that is not a spectacular act. It will not be broadcast on the corporate evening news. Count on it.

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What I meant, Ren, is that as long as the corporations and oligarchs are in power as they have been for 3 decades now, they will not allow scientific conquering of the scientific global problems, even though everyone is starting to actually see and even feel them now. I'm sure they have no intention of stopping anything that needs to be stopped or changed, just to prolong life on this planet. Oligarchs and their minions are not real people...and not very bright. :)

Even if people are making intelligent changes, the oligarchs are not going to be done until they are done. And we, other species, and this poor planet, don't have anywhere nearly that much time left.

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What I meant, Ren, is that as long as the corporations and oligarchs are in power as they have been for 3 decades now, they will not allow scientific conquering of the scientific global problems, even though everyone is starting to actually see and even feel them now. I'm sure they have no intention of stopping anything that needs to be stopped or changed, just to prolong life on this planet. Oligarchs and their minions are not real people...and not very bright. :)

Even if people are making intelligent changes, the oligarchs are not going to be done until they are done. And we, other species, and this poor planet, don't have anywhere nearly that much time left.

I agree.

Not only are they not very bright, they are not capable of doing anything unless people do it for them. They just manage the system that's in place and collect the profits. Those are dwindling rapidly. When systems like this collapse the peasants just shrug their shoulders and move on.

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The dominate organisms on this planet ........ are microbs not man.

Humans are totally inconsequential to life on this planet, which is a hard pill for the climate change deniers to accept. In their small minded insecurity they cannot accept the FACT that we are just passer bys in the big scheme of things. Just like those who could not believe that the sun was the center of the solar system instead of the earth.

So even if we completely screw up the environment and kill off all mammals, the microbs will still be here and life will continue. It doesn't matter to Mother Nature and the microbs if we stay or go.

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Quote jan in iowa:The dominate organisms on this planet ........ are microbs not man.

Humans are totally inconsequential to life on this planet, which is a hard pill for the climate change deniers to accept. In their small minded insecurity they cannot accept the FACT that we are just passer bys in the big scheme of things. Just like those who could not believe that the sun was the center of the solar system instead of the earth.

So even if we completely screw up the environment and kill off all mammals, the microbs will still be here and life will continue. It doesn't matter to Mother Nature and the microbs if we stay or go.

Well, yes and no. Humans have been fighting evil enemy microbes since they realized that they are feasting on us. At least we have that over other earth-dwellers.

And IMO, we don't have to all perish any time soon just because a few sociopathic human mammals are ignoring the truths of science and the Omnipresence of "Mother Nature." Everybody has at least SOME peasant blood running through their veins, if they are willing to accept it, and so consequently, can adapt if need be!

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I will also note you never seem to mention that the Antarctic Ice has been expanding since 1979.

You are either unable or unwilling to actually question the simplest things:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/08/100816-global-warming-an...

How much are humans causing the obvious climate change? Even if the number were a mere 25% it would be a reasonable plan to minimize that from the equation.

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From the Nat Geo link:

That's not the case, because the two polar ecosystems are so different, he said. Arctic ice is multiyear, persisting through the seasons, while Antarctic ice forms and melts each year and has always been governed more by wind and ocean circulation than air temperatures, he said.
Something seems to be approximately 180 degrees off in the above quote.

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Quote Karolina:

Well, yes and no. Humans have been fighting evil enemy microbes since they realized that they are feasting on us. At least we have that over other earth-dwellers.

There is a really good article in this month's (June 2012) Scientific American by Jennifer Ackerman titled The Ultimate Social Network where she lays out how important microbes are to our very existance. And that we actually happily co-exist with them. It's a good read and is very amazing how these marvelous little organism operate.

Also, if there is no microbial life in the soil..... Nothing will grow, it is the life in the soil. Just thought you would like that, sort of a wonderful thing.

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You are either unable or unwilling to actually question the simplest things:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/08/100816-global-warming-an...

How much are humans causing the obvious climate change? Even if the number were a mere 25% it would be a reasonable plan to minimize that from the equation.

Models solve mystery, but suggest South Pole sea ice melt will soon accelerate

So I ask you "You are either unable or unwilling to actually question the simplest things"

LOL... your grasp of science is astounding

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Models solve mystery, but suggest South Pole sea ice melt will soon accelerate

And wouldn't that in turn fit Thom's original post?

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And wouldn't that in turn fit Thom's original post?

That depends if you are suggesting Thom is using alarmist rhetoric that has little scientific backing.

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Quote jan in iowa:There is a really good article in this month's (June 2012) Scientific American by Jennifer Ackerman titled The Ultimate Social Network where she lays out how important microbes are to our very existance. And that we actually happily co-exist with them. It's a good read and is very amazing how these marvelous little organism operate.

Also, if there is no microbial life in the soil..... Nothing will grow, it is the life in the soil. Just thought you would like that, sort of a wonderful thing.

Thanks, I will look into it. I had classes in microbiology decades ago and I did enjoy them.

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