The Problem I have with Romney and Why I Will vote for Obama

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The problem with Romney is, regardless of what you think of his personal knowledge about the economy, his policies ARE DESIGNED to continue the 40-year Republican plan to destroy the middle class. The recipe is very simple. Destroy labor unions, destroy the social safety net by making it impossible to pay for in the face of more and more needless defense spending and more and more useless tax cuts to the most wealthy. De-fund and privatize public education so, in the end, only the rich get good educations and the non-rich stay ignorant and divided by social issues, racial politics, bogus economic arguments. Shovel more and more money to the top 1% -- through tax cuts and privatizing government functions. Essentially, merge the government with the major corporate conglomerates so they are essentially indistinguishable from each other, ensuring perpetual Republican/corporate rule.

The proof of this is in the policies. In the face of a massive recession, what are Republicans and Romney proposing? Cutting spending, austerity. This makes sense only if you regard America as a corporation that needs to protect its investors, ie, the richest 1%. They propose this, even as we can all see the result of that very plan unfold in England. It has been a clear, unmitigated disaster over there. Why would it not be that way here? Every sane economist has learned from the example of the Great Depression and Europe's recent problems, that during times of economic decline, cutting spending is the exact OPPOSITE of what you need to do as a government to help the general population. The result of such policies is further economic decline and lower growth, and larger deficits.

In fact, during times of economic decline, the government absolutely must step in and SPEND MUCH MORE to make up for the lack of demand in the private sector. This was the idea behind the Stimulus, which saved the economy from a great depression, but was just too small to rescue us from a deep recession. The time to cut the government, of course, is ONLY during a boom period, which is what Clinton did. (Though, I would argue, he did too much of that).

The fact that Romney and the Republicans are proposing austerity at this time proves they either do not know THE FIRST THING about how the economy works, or that they are simply full of shit. I for one believe the Republican party to be essentially a coalition of both types. That is to say, the party is little more than a group of con men (who secretly believe in maintaining a feudal aristocracy) heading a herd of willfully ignorant, know-nothing morons right off of a cliff.

This 40-year plan to destroy the two major bases of support of their chief rival (unions and the middle class), the Democratic Party, has been largely successful. And, as you know, in the face of this assault, the Democratic party had to go corporate and seek out their own fat cats to fund their campaigns. Barack Obama – despite all the bogus, unsupported by fact rhetoric about his hostility to business, is quite friendly with the corporate powers that be. He is no suck up, as Mitt Romney would clearly be. But, as we have seen, a complete corporate suck up does not even enforce basic mathematical and sane rules of the game that keep the economy alive. Why should he, if that only hastens the demise of the middle class, right? After all, that goal supercedes all others for a Republican leader.

Romney instead, seeks to make sure socialism works for the too big to fail banks and large business interests -- they get bailed out no matter how bad they screw up or break the law. Why? Because they are allowed to be too big to fail. Would Romney change that? Even Obama wouldn't, sadly -- well, not until his second term. And as long as Mitt Romney had a say in it, these too big to fail companies would NEVER be regulated to prevent such crashes from happening again. He will make sure of all this, all while making sure that members of the middle class have nothing to rely on from the government. That way they can ONLY rely, in fact, on their fealty to their overlord boss, and upping their "productivity.

This kind of socialism for corporations alone has a specific name and it is "fascism." Saudi Arabia is a great example of the kind of society Mitt Would love to preside over, as a ruling Shiek.

Remember Bush's economy would have also been dramatically recessionary as well for the shrinking middle class were it not for the artificial housing bubble Bush allowed to ge inflated (to disastrous results) by not enforcing and/or enacting appropriate regulation of credit default swaps and the corrupt stock rating agency practices, like those of AIG.

Obama's main fault is that he listened too much to folks like Mitt Romney (Laurence Sommers, Geitner, etc.) when he first came into office instead of folks like Paul Krugman and Robert Riech. He should have been pounding the podium and using the bully pulpit to call for a much more MASSIVE STIMULUS. He should have explained to the American people that now is not the time to worry about government spending. Instead, he adopted the Republican frame that we needed to worry about it.

He should have repeatedly explained that the lack of regulation is what got us in the mess in the first place.
So the idea that the economy is bad because we are over-regulated is quite laughable on its face.

Even now, Obama continues to brag that -- in fact (even given the stimulus and the bailouts) -- he's spent LESS than any other president when compared to GDP. In that sense, he also doesn't get it. He shouldn't be bragging about that.

But Romney's so-called solutions are MUCH MUCH worse, since they go in the exact opposite direction we need to go. In fact, they would – by design -- lead to worse job prospects in the future for the average worker.

In fact, I submit to you that a Romney election -- if it happens, which I highly doubt, would be the coup de grace in terms of ending what little Democracy we have left. His administration would merely solidify and make permanent the complete hostile takeover of our government by state-less, multinational corporations which have no loyalty to the people or to the traditions of this country. He would in fact preside over the last gasp of the middle class as it transformed into little more than the cowering "working poor."

Vote Obama.
Peace,

Logan

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loganselxx, your tactics are a prescription for disaster. See Greece, Spain, Ireland, and Italy for what happens to a country the embraces your philosophy. Fortunately there are enough people here who look overseas and declare "that isn't going to happen here" to but the brakes on the kind of spending in the US that has ruined Greece, and has the other countries listed above that are on the brink of economic disaster.

And whover wins the white house, the Republicans will hold the house, which will mean that there will be two more years of at least restraint on new spending here in the US. Heaven help us if the Dems ever get both the House and White House again. At least the voters wised up in 2010 and tossed a record number of Dems out of the house and on to the street. If that had not hapened, we very well could be in the same shape as the countries listed above.

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maui, you do realize that countries whose monetary systems are different than ours have to deal with totally different problems and solutions than ours. Our economic system and tax system cannot be compared to those countries mentioned. We need unique solutions to our unique monetary system.

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logan, "Obama's main fault is that he listened too much to folks like Mitt Romney (Laurence Sommers, Geitner, etc.)"

What makes you think he won't still listen to those same idiots?

Romney has been lambasted as a job destroying private equity manager with Bain. While I have pointed out (AND BEEN IGNORED HERE BY THE OBAMA WORSHIPPERS) the one od obama campaign co-chairs is Frederico Pena has been a partner at the private3 equity firm of Vespar since 2000.

Federico Pena’s role at Vestar Capital Partners has emerged as Obama’s aides and deputies continue their effort to portray former Massachusetts Gov. Romney‘s investment career as ruthless, job-destroying, profit-maximizing “vulture capitalism.”

But the nothing but Democrat crowd here ignores the hypocracy that Obama has displayed for his whole career. Hypocrits ALL!!!

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An Open Letter to Democratic and Republican Voters

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logan, "Obama's main fault is that he listened too much to folks like Mitt Romney (Laurence Sommers, Geitner, etc.)"

What makes you think he won't still listen to those same idiots?

Romney has been lambasted as a job destroying private equity manager with Bain. While I have pointed out (AND BEEN IGNORED HERE BY THE OBAMA WORSHIPPERS) the one od obama campaign co-chairs is Frederico Pena has been a partner at the private3 equity firm of Vespar since 2000.

Federico Pena’s role at Vestar Capital Partners has emerged as Obama’s aides and deputies continue their effort to portray former Massachusetts Gov. Romney‘s investment career as ruthless, job-destroying, profit-maximizing “vulture capitalism.”

But the nothing but Democrat crowd here ignores the hypocracy that Obama has displayed for his whole career. Hypocrits ALL!!!

You are correct. However, I take solace in the fact that Obama is not beholden to the largest and most dangerous collection of know-nothings this country has ever seen. I think they recently called themselves the Tea Party. The real Tea Party of the Boston Harbor resents the comparison. So do I and anyone who knows history.

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The problem with Romney is, regardless of what you think of his personal knowledge about the economy, his policies ARE DESIGNED to continue the 40-year Republican plan to destroy the middle class. The recipe is very simple. Destroy labor unions, destroy the social safety net by making it impossible to pay for in the face of more and more needless defense spending and more and more useless tax cuts to the most wealthy. De-fund and privatize public education so, in the end, only the rich get good educations and the non-rich stay ignorant and divided by social issues, racial politics, bogus economic arguments. Shovel more and more money to the top 1% -- through tax cuts and privatizing government functions. Essentially, merge the government with the major corporate conglomerates so they are essentially indistinguishable from each other, ensuring perpetual Republican/corporate rule.

The proof of this is in the policies. In the face of a massive recession, what are Republicans and Romney proposing? Cutting spending, austerity. This makes sense only if you regard America as a corporation that needs to protect its investors, ie, the richest 1%. They propose this, even as we can all see the result of that very plan unfold in England. It has been a clear, unmitigated disaster over there. Why would it not be that way here? Every sane economist has learned from the example of the Great Depression and Europe's recent problems, that during times of economic decline, cutting spending is the exact OPPOSITE of what you need to do as a government to help the general population. The result of such policies is further economic decline and lower growth, and larger deficits.

In fact, during times of economic decline, the government absolutely must step in and SPEND MUCH MORE to make up for the lack of demand in the private sector. This was the idea behind the Stimulus, which saved the economy from a great depression, but was just too small to rescue us from a deep recession. The time to cut the government, of course, is ONLY during a boom period, which is what Clinton did. (Though, I would argue, he did too much of that).

The fact that Romney and the Republicans are proposing austerity at this time proves they either do not know THE FIRST THING about how the economy works, or that they are simply full of shit. I for one believe the Republican party to be essentially a coalition of both types. That is to say, the party is little more than a group of con men (who secretly believe in maintaining a feudal aristocracy) heading a herd of willfully ignorant, know-nothing morons right off of a cliff.

This 40-year plan to destroy the two major bases of support of their chief rival (unions and the middle class), the Democratic Party, has been largely successful. And, as you know, in the face of this assault, the Democratic party had to go corporate and seek out their own fat cats to fund their campaigns. Barack Obama – despite all the bogus, unsupported by fact rhetoric about his hostility to business, is quite friendly with the corporate powers that be. He is no suck up, as Mitt Romney would clearly be. But, as we have seen, a complete corporate suck up does not even enforce basic mathematical and sane rules of the game that keep the economy alive. Why should he, if that only hastens the demise of the middle class, right? After all, that goal supercedes all others for a Republican leader.

Romney instead, seeks to make sure socialism works for the too big to fail banks and large business interests -- they get bailed out no matter how bad they screw up or break the law. Why? Because they are allowed to be too big to fail. Would Romney change that? Even Obama wouldn't, sadly -- well, not until his second term. And as long as Mitt Romney had a say in it, these too big to fail companies would NEVER be regulated to prevent such crashes from happening again. He will make sure of all this, all while making sure that members of the middle class have nothing to rely on from the government. That way they can ONLY rely, in fact, on their fealty to their overlord boss, and upping their "productivity.

This kind of socialism for corporations alone has a specific name and it is "fascism." Saudi Arabia is a great example of the kind of society Mitt Would love to preside over, as a ruling Shiek.

Remember Bush's economy would have also been dramatically recessionary as well for the shrinking middle class were it not for the artificial housing bubble Bush allowed to ge inflated (to disastrous results) by not enforcing and/or enacting appropriate regulation of credit default swaps and the corrupt stock rating agency practices, like those of AIG.

Obama's main fault is that he listened too much to folks like Mitt Romney (Laurence Sommers, Geitner, etc.) when he first came into office instead of folks like Paul Krugman and Robert Riech. He should have been pounding the podium and using the bully pulpit to call for a much more MASSIVE STIMULUS. He should have explained to the American people that now is not the time to worry about government spending. Instead, he adopted the Republican frame that we needed to worry about it.

He should have repeatedly explained that the lack of regulation is what got us in the mess in the first place.
So the idea that the economy is bad because we are over-regulated is quite laughable on its face.

Even now, Obama continues to brag that -- in fact (even given the stimulus and the bailouts) -- he's spent LESS than any other president when compared to GDP. In that sense, he also doesn't get it. He shouldn't be bragging about that.

But Romney's so-called solutions are MUCH MUCH worse, since they go in the exact opposite direction we need to go. In fact, they would – by design -- lead to worse job prospects in the future for the average worker.

In fact, I submit to you that a Romney election -- if it happens, which I highly doubt, would be the coup de grace in terms of ending what little Democracy we have left. His administration would merely solidify and make permanent the complete hostile takeover of our government by state-less, multinational corporations which have no loyalty to the people or to the traditions of this country. He would in fact preside over the last gasp of the middle class as it transformed into little more than the cowering "working poor."

Vote Obama.
Peace,

Logan

Right cuz ablue-Globalist is always better than a red-Globalist.

Here's a hint genius... both parties have members that take ordersd from Bilderberg.

Bilderberg wants Ron Paul dead, not Romney, not Obama. So you do you think is goingto look out for America's interests ? Obama... give it a break. There's a real reason wjhy CNN & FOX News outlets have their lowest ratings ever.

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logan, "Obama's main fault is that he listened too much to folks like Mitt Romney (Laurence Sommers, Geitner, etc.)"

What makes you think he won't still listen to those same idiots?

Romney has been lambasted as a job destroying private equity manager with Bain. While I have pointed out (AND BEEN IGNORED HERE BY THE OBAMA WORSHIPPERS) the one od obama campaign co-chairs is Frederico Pena has been a partner at the private3 equity firm of Vespar since 2000.

Federico Pena’s role at Vestar Capital Partners has emerged as Obama’s aides and deputies continue their effort to portray former Massachusetts Gov. Romney‘s investment career as ruthless, job-destroying, profit-maximizing “vulture capitalism.”

But the nothing but Democrat crowd here ignores the hypocracy that Obama has displayed for his whole career. Hypocrits ALL!!!

The Obama Deception

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Fall of the Republic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

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Were any of you clowns presenting the Progressive Agenda or the People's Budget instead of Bilderberg and Ron Paul nonsense, you might be part of a productive discussion of alternatives to duopoly thinking. Have answered the very thin Pena as vulture capitalist meme elsewhere, and it is too easy. Romney is not running against Pena. Obama is not defending Pena's business as what ought to be even if it is "perfectly legal." Romney is trying to tell us that what he did at Bain makes him the guy to replace Obama. Really.

Could we agree that the Imperial State must fall or morph into a democracy to be free of the pathologies that currently beset our politics. Nobody doubts that the class war at the top brings a confluence of interests or that centralized hierarchies do not nurture ground up politics. Try dealing with people who are serious about these questions for a change.

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Look Democrats have betrayed progressives as Republicans have betrayed conservatives.

All both parties do is make phony promises to lull the gullible from each group and each year the Globalist Agenda gets a little more further ahead.

Any independent candidate or 3rd party that would really offer a real solution gets ignored by the Globalist-Media-Complex.

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Were any of you clowns presenting the Progressive Agenda or the People's Budget instead of Bilderberg and Ron Paul nonsense, you might be part of a productive discussion of alternatives to duopoly thinking. Have answered the very thin Pena as vulture capitalist meme elsewhere, and it is too easy. Romney is not running against Pena. Obama is not defending Pena's business as what ought to be even if it is "perfectly legal." Romney is trying to tell us that what he did at Bain makes him the guy to replace Obama. Really.

Could we agree that the Imperial State must fall or morph into a democracy to be free of the pathologies that currently beset our politics. Nobody doubts that the class war at the top brings a confluence of interests or that centralized hierarchies do not nurture ground up politics. Try dealing with people who are serious about these questions for a change.

We got Ron Paul and Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party as 2 anti-Globalist candidates, but let's continue the blue-Globalist/red-Globalist debate and which one we want ordering Americans into the FEMA Camps. Please continue....

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Finally, Romney seems like SUCH A PRICK, doesn't he!?

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In fact, I submit to you that a Romney election -- if it happens, which I highly doubt, would be the coup de grace in terms of ending what little Democracy we have left.

As the recent elections (Nov 2010, Walker, etc.) prove, we may just have to see what another GOP controlled era would look like. I'd say they may be doing us a favor. They not only would be saddled with a rapidly spiraling middle class, but they'd enact policies that would accelerate that death spiral. Regardless of the social unrest, no middle class means no consumer demand - 70% of our economy, and an important part of the global economy. Growing middle classes in developing countries - that cons count on to take the place of the broken U.S. middle class - won't pick up the slack, as they tend to be more nationalistic in their purchases, and will buy more domestically as they learn to knock off our products. Does anyone really think authoritarian governments will just let U.S. companies capture large shares of their domestic markets, once they learn our secrets and can make their own? Only a fool - or a shortsighted, greedy conservative would believe that. And whatever U.S. goods they do buy will be made there. I think it will be a smash lab for conservative economics, like the 20's and see what that got us - a deep conservative caused depression then 40 years of Democratic prosperity. Sometimes people just need to get hit in the side of the head with a baseball bat before they see the truth. People may really need to see the reality of plutocratic led conservative economics before they see the light.

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When the FEMA Trucks come out and start throwing Americans into the camps, then maybe Americans will wake up.

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Look, whatever your view of Obama, he's clearly a monkeywrench in the plans of the monied elite, Otherwise they wouldn't be spending so much and be so eager to put in Romney (who looks increasingly to me like the vacant Zombie version of his Dad).

We don't need to give up and lose to win when we are already winning. Our views are majoritarian views. Obama won by espousing them. He's been hurt by abandoning them. We need only take advantage of that fact and remind him constantly. That's our currency. And it's pretty priceless.

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Why would anyone re-elect any House Republicans? If they were pragmatic they could cut spending on programs they don't like and increase spending on programs they like, and maybe cut aggregate spending in the process. This foot-stomping gets nothing for their side, and takes nothing from the opposition.

But they did get the two-year extension of the tax cuts, so their work was finished before any of the freshman were sworn-in.

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If it was a 40 year plan to destroy themiddle class why would we grow itover the last 40 years

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Obama is practicing his own form of trickle down economics. He provides bailouts to a few(homeowners) and hopes it trickles down to those who aren't getting bailouts (renters, cc debt, medical debt, unemployed etc).

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Obama is practicing his own form of trickle down economics. He provides bailouts to a few(homeowners) and hopes it trickles down to those who aren't getting bailouts (renters, cc debt, medical debt, unemployed etc).

Look, I'm not "in love" with all of the President's policies but now that the Republican are publically admitting that they are blocking all of the President's ecoonomic policies how can anyone defend that the Republicans are causing millions of American to suffer simply for political gain?

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The same way the democrats did last 2 years of bushes administration?

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The same way the democrats did last 2 years of bushes administration?

You are delusional.

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No I'm not I don't know how you can point to the republicans for everything when Pelosi never passed a budget during her tenure as speaker of thehouse.

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If it was a 40 year plan to destroy themiddle class why would we grow itover the last 40 years

You have a real problem with history. Must not have been your strong suit in christian college.

As America limps to the end of the first decade of the 21st century, the middle class that once formed its core strength seems to be in tatters. The manufacturing jobs that once helped millions get ahead have been in sharp decline for a decade, and now number one-third less than they did in 2000, despite a growing population. Wages have fallen as jobs have migrated overseas, with the typical family's income, after inflation, down 5 percent since 2000. News headlines warn that the middle class is becoming "extinct" or being "wiped out of existence." Elizabeth Warren, the head of the government's new financial watchdog agency, has been warning of a middle-class meltdown for a decade, and said recently that "the system is broken and it's crushing families all across this country."

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2010/10/15/how-the-middle-class-is-shrinking

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Typical Rightwing jerkface reaction. Elizabeth Warren has never been a professional Indian, but she does have some Indian heritage in her family. She is clearly among the best-informed, most-qualified and most eloquent critics of the current bankster casino operating as "Wall St.," and they hate and fear her for the truth she tells.

I fear for the degree 'earned' by CC. If it had a half-life of more than a decade, it is hard to detect any current signal. He would have done a lot better fixating at kindergarten.

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I'm sorry I don't accept elizibeth warren as a sorce or as she is known by her Indian name she who lies.

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I'm sorry I don't accept elizibeth warren as a sorce as she is known by her Indian name she who lies.

You are only making yourself look stupid.

Do you have a list of vapid "one liners" that you try to work in every day?

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Right wingers have been wholly reduced to hampering trolls. The distraction/obfuscation game is all they got left.

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loganselxx, your tactics are a prescription for disaster. See Greece, Spain, Ireland, and Italy for what happens to a country the embraces your philosophy. Fortunately there are enough people here who look overseas and declare "that isn't going to happen here" to but the brakes on the kind of spending in the US that has ruined Greece, and has the other countries listed above that are on the brink of economic disaster.

Why would we do that? Why is it either we cut back and destroy the economy or we let our economy go like the PIGS? We have an enormous amount of wealth to put into the economy, we just have to be smart about it and stop letting it deepen the pockets of the wealthy. A very modest tax increase would cut the deficit and pump money into the working part of the economy.

In any case, we have a sovereign currency and Greece doesn't. We aren't going to go down the tubes like they did no matter what happens. It's just a false comparison because their economic situation is fundamentally different from ours.

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While I'd love to vote for Obama, I'm restrained by the fact he hasn't done anything to repudiate the Bush dictatorship. We still have indefinite detentions, extra-judicial killings, and spying on Americans. We only have until the end of the Obama Adminstration to repair this damage to the fabric of democracy or all that will become permanent. And since the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world, with global reach, whatever dictatorship we have here we have everywhere. So, unless I see solid evidence that Obama is going to move to restore democracy I'm prepared to let him work for the office on his own and focus my efforts elsewhere.

If you want to help this country the best way to do that is to elect more and better liberals to Congress. The Presidency is irrelevant anyway. The Republicans have shown that the way to run the government is:

  • Get a bare majority in the House with a radical leadership, and
  • Put at least 41 ideologues in the Senate.

Progressives need to do the same. Quite frankly, any effort you expend on the Obama campaign is wasted. You should be spending that time and money on putting more progressives in the Senate or electing a better person to your congressional district.

Stop worrying about Obama and work on Congress. That will help him indirectly. And Obama is going to be re-elected anyway. We all know that. Even the Republicans know that. That's why they sent their B team this year.

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An Open Letter to Democratic and Republican Voters

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=217087.0;topicseen My God why are we still having this debate ?

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The sad thing is that the Libertarian and Constitution parties aren't offering much of a better solution this year either.

Gary Johnson is in bed with the banks.

Virgil Goode voted to extend the Patriot Act into being permanent in 2005 as a Republican.

Let's see what the Green and Reform Parties have to offer.....

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@ richwingerter, at this point nothing you could say against Obama would convince me that it is not vital to millions of people who depend on Social Security and Medicare to defeat Romney. Not to mention the prospect of having even more conservatives on the Supreme Court. The stakes are just too high. Please let me elaborate. The Republicans have been gunning for Social Security and Medicare since they were signed into reality, and they are smelling blood in the water now with the Ryan Budget that Romney has promised to sign and the real possibility of a Republican controlled House and Senate. This is not left wing hysteria, have you looked at what the Ryan Budget could really do? Don't think Romney could win? Better reconsider that. The polling has them neck and neck, and Obama seems to be losing ground on the electoral map. Intrade has Obama's chances in the low 50's while Romeny's chances are listed in the low 40's. Too close for comfort for me.

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If it was a 40 year plan to destroy themiddle class why would we grow itover the last 40 years

Alright I'll bite - what are you basing this on?

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Great speech, great convention. A pretty good example of the organized mind of Barack Obama. Pretty good example of the smoothness of the next 4 years under him. Say what you want to say about the guy, he knows how get shit done and keep shit smooth. On the other side, Romney a jerky marionette puppet, dangled in shortly after that older, white-headed puppet stuttered and and stammered next to an empty chair. That ridiculous convention was a pretty good example of the utter chaos that exists in Romney's brain. Pretty good example of the roller-coaster ride his presidency would be as he steps on rake after rake trying to figure out what he should believe today. Obama is the 2012 Democratic version of the cool, optimistic Ronald Reagan. Romney is the 2012 version of the sweaty, scheming Tricky Dick Nixon.

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If it was a 40 year plan to destroy themiddle class why would we grow itover the last 40 years

Alright I'll bite - what are you basing this on?

It takes awhile to reverse course .If we made an overnight leap from say 1960 to 2012, there would have been a revolution.

When I was just out of High School earning minimum wage, I bought a house...and a new sportscar. Two days earnings at minimum wage paid for a semester at a community college. A quick entry into the "middle class". Real estate holdings were quickly expanded.

By the time I was in my early 20's, I was paying the equivalent of a week's earnings today for a bottle of wine for dinner.

Can a minimum wage earner do that today? Nope. He's lucky to live in a slum, obtain a bus pass and buy a can of really bad beer .Further education of course, is now off the table for many...entry into the middle class is a pipe dream..

Americans have no idea what it's like to live with a progressive government. It's been dismantled over time. The middle class is going bye bye or haven't you noticed?

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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Are we gonna elect a sociapathic vulture as president??? I don't think so!

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Keystone would be way worse than we thought!

We already know that the Keystone XL pipeline is a disaster waiting to happen. But, it turns out that the impact of that tar sands pipeline could be even worse than we thought. According to a new study by the Stockholm Environmental Institute, Keystone could add four times more carbon pollution to our atmosphere than the State Department originally estimated.

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