Ban request for FirstLeftist

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In general I attempt to engage in thoughtful conversation with those who come to the message boards with divergent views. However, it is clear by now that FirstLeftist is not truly interested in engaging in thoughtful conversation and is doing nothing but spamming the message boards with as many posts with Libertarian propaganda as possible. This is in violation of rule 4 of the message board - don't spam: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2010/04/message-board-and-chatroom-rules and not in keeping with the dicta of the community moderators: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2010/06/isnt-libertarian-free-market-message-board-here-thom-hartmann-program

Since about 10 AM this morning, FirstLeftist has initiated several threads which include but are not limited to the following:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/even-heritage-foundation-supported-mandate-argument-0 http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/pointing-out-hypocrisy-conservatives-does-not-discredit-libertarians http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/even-heritage-foundation-supported-mandate-argument http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/62812-show-thom-hartmann-failed-mention-jeffersons-support-nullification http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/repeal-social-security-act http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/small-l-libertarians-support-repeal-medicare-and-medicaid-how-many-conservatives-or-re http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/ron-paul-exposed-liberals-and-conservatives-frauds-and-hypocrites-they-are http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/do-people-have-be-forced-be-charitable http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/06/why-not-make-minimum-wage-20hr http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/06/medical-care-economic-good-any-other http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/grotesque-lies-health-care-michael-rozeff http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/few-myths-believed-many-liberals-andor-conservatives Some are duplicate posts and it became clear by the 4th one I responded to that he was not even reading replies before repeating the Libertarian talking points. I have submitted an email to Louise to request his removal from the boards.

ah2
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The question whores are asking us to answer for them.

anonymous green
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ah2..... way to go! Thanks for standing up for the entire blog.

delete jan in iowa
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I second that emotion ah2.

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I accidently posted one thread twice. My computer was freezing and I didn't think the first thread was posted. Other than that, I haven't posted anything abusive. I've tried to answer all of the responses to my threads but I'm only one person. I never used profanity.

"Flooding and Stomping in the Chat Room and on the Message Boards: Flooding the chat room and message boards with disagreeable posts that serve to dominate, intimidate and prevent others from posting or chatting diminish user's sense of a safe community. We reserve the right to remove any duplicates at our discretion, and to request that no more duplicates or similar messages are posted." rule #4

Neither have I prevented others from posting nor have I been disagreeable.

However, I respect private property. The forum belongs to the Thom Hartmann Show. And If the moderators choose to ban me, so be it.

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"We are Legion".

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Leftist, you have been flooding the boards intentionally all day with garbage one line BS threads and Libertarian talking points.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2010/06/isnt-libertarian-free-market-message-board-here-thom-hartmann-program

You have not stopped posting new threads since 10AM this morning. At least one every hour.

While I don't mind talking with Libertarians on here and welcome divergent ideas, you do not exemplify the behavior of a person who wants a thoughtful discussion. Even in places where it isn't a double post, you are often bringing up the same three tired points - particularly the crap about charity - over and over and over. It gets discredited in one thread, you make another and another and another.

Crap like this: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/07/repeal-social-security-act is meant for no other reason than to troll.

You came here to spam. Plain and simple.

ah2
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I have no problem with FL though I know Libertarian True Believers are so enthralled with their philosophy they seem to think it was handed down on a slab and that does tend to make them a bit insufferable. I was a bit upset with his posting spree yesterday… but he's nowhere as bad as AntiKankerSore who often just posted with nothing more than a YouTube link.

If there is going to be banning, I'd rather see it start with the truly braindead or rabid right wingers… CC and Cal come to mind.

And what I'd REALLY like to see the UNbanning of some of the Leftists and Progressives here… like the one's banned in Dec 2010 for protesting a Mod who threatened to nuke all posts critical of Thom and ban the posters as closet Righties. I'd really like to post under my old user name ulTRAX.

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I'd like to be removed from the Terrorist List, and vice-versa.

I'd also like the spies who cry wolf to shut up.

Anyone can sell Lucky Heather, you can see that words are cheap. P. Townshend

anonymous green
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i have no problem with Leftist posting his views. I have problems with him flooding the boards with garbage all day. He and other libertarians engage in the same tactic every time they start posting - create a thread with an asinine claim that has absolutely no evidentiary support, get beaten down by people who actually rely on real information for their views, parrot talking points until they are utterly humiliated, start another thread and parrot it all over again in the hopes that people didn't see the previous thread where they were shown to be intellectually barren of good ideas or real information.

This is usually not a problem with most of them because they wait two or three days in between posts so that people might forget their idiocy. Leftist just decided to do about 15 of them within about 8 hours of each other.

ah2
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Quote ah2:He and other libertarians engage in the same tactic every time they start posting - create a thread with an asinine claim that has absolutely no evidentiary support, get beaten down by people who actually rely on real information for their views, parrot talking points until they are utterly humiliated, start another thread and parrot it all over again in the hopes that people didn't see the previous thread where they were shown to be intellectually barren of good ideas or real information.
If there's a pattern I've seen with Libertarians over the years is that they seem to believe their logic is all they need. They seem to believe if a philosophy has an answer for every eventuality, then that's proof it's inherently correct. Rand's Objectivism comes to mind as does market theory. But then Medieval Christianity was the same in describing everything as evidence of a war between good and evil. With enough creativity, everything could be described in those terms.

Sometimes having the answer for everything is a warning sign that one's cleverness is taking on a life of its own more than proof a philosophy is true.

Often The Road To Hell Is Paved With True Believers

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Libertarians have as much a right to spew their opinion as anyone else. It's not the message that's a bannable offense but the frequency and flooding of the message board that is offensive. I don't mind the guy in the souped up chevelle running open headers screaming by my house but I do mind him doing it 20 times a day.

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It's about moderation, that seems to be the main complaint for anyone coming on and flooding the board.

It's not unreasonable to ask for respect and moderation when posting.

delete jan in iowa
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a Ban request..... Will wonders never cease.

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Quote Pierpont:Sometimes having the answer for everything is a warning sign that one's cleverness is taking on a life of its own more than proof a philosophy is true.

I think that should be a mantra or a principle-in-writing to help bring visiting libertarians back to a sense of reality.

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There are moderators on these boards? It does not seem that way.... who are they?

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Yes Cap, ah2 put forward a very decent, cogent, rational and fair complaint about message board flooding by a poster who does not appear to engage much in the conversations on the same threads. I think there is a lack of respect evident in that behavior.

We also agreed that it is not the posting of Libertarian ideas that is offensive, it is the bombardment. I do with that Libertarians had someplace to find others who would help them so we would not be engaged in full-time therapy here. Along with many others here, I have heard their point of view and am more than not persuaded. I believe I know where they go wrong, but the conversations about it have not been productive. What this means is that I think we have some right to kick some of this crap out of the way when we are having a decent conversation. It is not helpful, and it does not expand the scope of thinking or discussion.

If I thought that our cons really wanted to hear another point of view and were open to change, I would not mind putting the same attitute and inclination on the other end of the conversation. I do not prefer polemics, but to refuse found comedy would be a sin.

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Quote drc2:

Yes Cap, ah2 put forward a very decent, cogent, rational and fair complaint about message board flooding by a poster who does not appear to engage much in the conversations on the same threads. I think there is a lack of respect evident in that behavior.

It's a thread requesting the banning of a specfic person that is novel and notable. There have been many many thread spanning three Hartmann Boards. I don't recall a post that ask for a specific person to be banned. There was that one "small Penis" thread that was hillarious.

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