Ron Paul exposed liberals and conservatives for the frauds and hypocrites that they are

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TheFirstLeftist
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One of the underestimated services that the Ron Paul campaign was how it exposed liberals and conservatives for the frauds and hypocrites that they are.  All these years, we've heard conservatives preach about how they were for the Constitution and small government.  Here comes a guy with a near perfect voting record and they reject him.  And we've heard liberals tell us how anti-war they were, how much for civil liberties.  And here comes Ron Paul who is more anti-war than any liberal, more pro-civil liberties than any liberal, yet they reject him.  What's their excuse.  He's against the welfare state and nationalized health care.  All of a sudden they're pure.  But in the past they'll make excuses for any liberal that deviates from the creed to support war and the police state.  As long as they're for socialism or welfarist, all sins are forgiven.  Same goes for conservatives.  They'll tolerate Medicare Pard D, doubling of the size of the Department of Ed, tax increases, increase in regulations, bailouts, deficits, etc.  But if you're anti-war, forget it.  You are read out of the party.  The real reason they hate him is because he shattered the left/right paradigm for many.  As long the liberals (who are also warmongers) could rail against more warmongering conservatives and conservatives (who embrace the whole socialistic welfare state from the new deal to the Great Society) could rail against the supposedly more socialistic liberals, everything was fine.  But here comes a guy who is anti-war, pro-free market and pro-civil liberty.  We can't have that.

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Bush_Wacker
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Ron Paul is the fraud.  He's

Ron Paul is the fraud.  He's a racist.  I'm tired of libertarians denying it so don't waste your breath on me.  That fact alone is enough for me.  His economic policies are also dillusional.

Bill Clinton was impeached for being an adulterer.  Ron Paul may as well quit while he's ahead.

TheFirstLeftist
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Bush_Wacker wrote: Ron Paul

Bush_Wacker wrote:

Ron Paul is the fraud.  He's a racist.  I'm tired of libertarians denying it so don't waste your breath on me.  That fact alone is enough for me.  His economic policies are also dillusional.

Bill Clinton was impeached for being an adulterer.  Ron Paul may as well quit while he's ahead.

Evidence?

All the problems we have now are in context of almost 50 years of a welfare/regulated State.  And you blame the free market. 

delete jan in iowa
Libertarian idology...... Ron

Libertarian idology...... Ron Paul is irrelevant.

anonymous green
If anyone still believes Ron

If anyone still believes Ron Paul, the idiot winds are blowing harder on America than the jet stream.

 

ah2
Ron Paul is rejected because

Ron Paul is rejected because he rejects the two core subjects of both political parties - Miltiary for Republicans and social safety net for Democrats.

For my part, I would actually be more okay with a Paul Presidency than Romney for the sole reason that you know he wouldn't start a war with Iran.  But I would never vote for him because he likes to do things like abolish public education and fun stuff like that.

anonymous green
Yeah, Hitler was a fun dance

Yeah, Hitler was a fun dance partner, I'd be OK with him cuz he'd be on Dancing with the Stars.

Of course, I'D never vote for him.

But I'd be OK with him over Romney or Hussein.

camaroman
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I posted this on the wrong

I posted this on the wrong thread. OPPS!!!

Conservative and liberal special interests are afraid that Ron Paul will open the eyes and minds of average Americans to the fact the both groups captured government decades ago and their perception that America is a free and prosperous society is a LIE, that the leviathon state never had their interests in mind, but instead is designed to rip them off. They are afraid he is going to expose the truth!!! There are those hear that cannot or will not see that both sides, so-called small government, free market conservatives or so-called anti-war, civil liberty protecting liberals are hypocrits. Neither side wants Americans to hear him out and they have the media on their side.

He steps on the toes of conservatives and liberals with their cushy little view that big brother is going to save us all.

rigel1
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Bush_Wacker wrote: Ron Paul

Bush_Wacker wrote:

Ron Paul is the fraud.  He's a racist. 

Well of course he's a racists!  Isn't anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda a racist by default? Isn't it the sole responsiblity of the left to label people? They get to decide who is a racist, a homo phobe, a woman hater, greedy, stupid or a nut of some type. The left absolutely depends on the labels for survival. Without class warfare they are screwed. And they know it. 

LysanderSpooner
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rigel1 wrote: Bush_Wacker

rigel1 wrote:

Bush_Wacker wrote:

Ron Paul is the fraud.  He's a racist. 

Well of course he's a racists!  Isn't anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda a racist by default? Isn't it the sole responsiblity of the left to label people? They get to decide who is a racist, a homo phobe, a woman hater, greedy, stupid or a nut of some type. The left absolutely depends on the labels for survival. Without class warfare they are screwed. And they know it. 

Yes.  The left poses as friends to the little guy but all of their policies serve the oligarchy.

Dr. Econ
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TheFirstLeftist wrote:...And

TheFirstLeftist wrote:
...And here comes Ron Paul who is more anti-war than any liberal, more pro-civil liberties than any liberal, yet they reject him.  What's their excuse. 

We reject him, obviously, because he rejects a lot of what liberals stand for.

 

camaroman
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DR, "We reject him,

DR, "We reject him, obviously, because he rejects a lot of what liberals stand for."

Like a big omnipotent centralized government micromanaging everything.

Bush_Wacker
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rigel1 wrote: Bush_Wacker

rigel1 wrote:

Bush_Wacker wrote:

Ron Paul is the fraud.  He's a racist. 

Well of course he's a racists!  Isn't anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda a racist by default? Isn't it the sole responsiblity of the left to label people? They get to decide who is a racist, a homo phobe, a woman hater, greedy, stupid or a nut of some type. The left absolutely depends on the labels for survival. Without class warfare they are screwed. And they know it. 

He's a racist based on his own words and actions.  It's been proven many times on this board and I'm not going to show it again.  I'm a liberal and I don't depend on any labels for survival.  You are talking out your ass.  I'll put my work history and my work ethic up against any of you conservatives who come here and pretend that you are better than everyone else.  Talk about a hypocrite, who keeps coming on here and deciding who is lazy, a flea bag, a worthless bum, a freeloader, a welfare queen.  Isn't it really the sole responsibility of the conservatives to label people?  Watch an hour of any program on Fox news and you'll get the answer to that. The left brought up the idea of class warfare and the conservatives put it into action and perfected it.  Without propoganda and lies they are screwed.  And they know it. 

camaroman
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rigel1, watchout!!! If you do

rigel1, watchout!!! If you do not think and believe as a liberal does you are considered as evil and what they would really like to do is do away with all that do not see the world according to them.

camaroman
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They also are very selective

They also are very selective in what they want to believe dispite any evidence to the contrary. Paul is NOT a racist!!!

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11137575-naacp-leader-nelson-linder-ron-paul-is-not-a-racist

It's like when you get caught red-handed and deny it anyway. Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin eyes? LOL ;^O!!!

drc2
I am ready to have done with

I am ready to have done with the RP cult.  He is not that great on civil rights or liberties.  You cannot put it to the states and be a real advocate for justice.  Did he learn nothing from segregation?

I have no illusions of the perfection of liberalism, and we have had interesting discussions of the problem of "progress" when we assess the problem of the "growth" answer in economics.  How teleological is "progress" compared to a less time dominated metaphor for healing and inclusion?

I give you Chris Hedges for trenchant criticism of his own kind.  From RP, what I get is a much less useful mix of insight and mythology; and nothing is less realistic than his economics.  As far as being "anti-war," I have yet to meet the Ron Paul brigade in the peace movement.  I hope they show up sometime.

LysanderSpooner
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drc2 wrote: I am ready to

drc2 wrote:

I am ready to have done with the RP cult.  He is not that great on civil rights or liberties.  You cannot put it to the states and be a real advocate for justice.  Did he learn nothing from segregation?

You are aware that nullification was used against slavery?

drc2 wrote:

  As far as being "anti-war," I have yet to meet the Ron Paul brigade in the peace movement.  I hope they show up sometime.

antiwar.com is the largest antiwar website out there.  It was founded and is run by libertarians.

Dr. Econ
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camaroman wrote: DR, "We

camaroman wrote:

DR, "We reject him, obviously, because he rejects a lot of what liberals stand for."

Like a big omnipotent centralized government micromanaging everything.

You are not arguing against a socialist here. Paul would be against Eisenhower, for god sakes.

Paul is a nut libertarian wacko. That is why we reject him.