Forum Is Being Overrun By Righties

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I'm spending too much time here and intend to leave soon. But before I do I have to raise my concerns the forum is being overrun with hordes of new right wingers. Some are OK but when the forum ends up revolving around their threads then it gets out of hand. At what point is this no longer a Liberal2Left board?

I think it's safe to say no liberals here are being paid... but the same can't be said about those on the Right. We obviously have no idea who they are but they tend to follow certain rules and maybe by that profile they can be identified. Real TH listeners can't compete with those who are paid. They can't counter all the distortions, spin, and often outright lies. I do hope something can be done.

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How disappointing... The lame "right wing conspiracy" fear mongering.

Funny Story... Several years ago. There was a Conservative blogger here that was a Marine. (his name eludes me at the moment) Everyone flicked him shit for his pro war idea and told him to go join the army. SO he did. Became a Marine, he served in Iraq. While away at boot camp. Thom ON AIR by name. Claimed he was a Paid troll. O boy did that cause a ruckus. Needless to say, Thom will not be doing that again anytime soon.

Poly and a few others might remember his name..... Unfortunately, the early boards are long gone so I can't dig up the threads. Funny Funny Stuff.

While I can’t speak to the current crop of people here. Many of the Conservatives from the Early boards, during the Paid troll scares… I have personally met. They are not paid trolls. I don’t know why liberals never want to meet for coffee. Someday I hope to get near Vermont to meet my first devout socialist friend from here.

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I'll meet for coffee with anyone who visits Mt. Rushmore or Sturgis SD for the motorcyle rally. I've met a few fellow bloggers over the years due to my touristy location. :)

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One way in which things can change is through conversations,if we all have the same points of view then what is the point of this forum.

Discussions do not have to lead to divisions ,we need to heal our divisions through discussions the world can only work with people coming from many points of view ,the worst thing we can do is make people wrong,we must here all views even the Taliban for no one does anything wrong given there model of the world.

We could start with asking ourselves a few questions about what we are all trying to do here on this planet and as a collective where does humanity want to go .

Check out the global conversation . Com and the 7 questions for humanity,if we all begin to discuss and answer these questions well we really could fast track our evolution ,nothing can stop a movement whose time has come.

I say bring on differing perspectives and ideas there is no right or wrong only what works and does not work in relation to what we are trying to do and be and where we choose to go as a society.We have to observe more and say what's so this is called truthful observation ,everyone is doing there best with the information at hand ,it's the information that we can change ,this creates a new reality and a new earth.

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I appreciate different perspectives. I'm the first guy that will admit that just because I think chocolate ice cream is the best doesn't mean it is. Perspectives and opinions of discussion are a far cry from copy and past blogging. I could spend hours a day going to different left win blogs and copy pasting them in here in order to jam up the boards with my own agenda. That isn't my idea of productive or creative discussion. There's far too much of that from the right wing and the libertarians who visit.

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Quote Capital1:Thom ON AIR by name. Claimed he was a Paid troll.
As I remember the story Thom told on the air.... after the guy left, the guy contacted Thom to tell him he'd been a paid mouthpiece.

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Quote Capital1:Thom ON AIR by name. Claimed he was a Paid troll.
As I remember the story Thom told on the air.... after the guy left, the guy contacted Thom to tell him he'd been a paid mouthpiece.

his name was Joe Szynal. (You have ANY idea how hard that was to find). The 2009 threads are in the waste basket of history. That was not how I remember the reaction was when he came back to answer the claims. PeeWee been trying for years to become a paid poster, but nobody was hiring.

You can ask him... He can still be found on the Leatherneck forums.

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We need more volunteers to be moderators.

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We need more volunteers to be moderators.

I think you rejected my application years ago.. Have you loosened the requirements?

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No. The requirements are at http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2010/06/thom-hartmann-program-looking-... and I expect the call will be renewed soon.

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No. The requirements are at http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2010/06/thom-hartmann-program-looking-... and I expect the call will be renewed soon.

Might be interesting. Do you know if Louise is the type of person to harbor 4-5 year old Grudges?

Would my Orginal forum Name surfice, Or does she want them all? Since I am now a respectable member of society a City Councilor, Far removed from my younger carefree day. I would expect she would want me to out myself and use my real name. Which would drive Annonyous Green crazy.

Things to ponder...

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Confessions of a Right-Wing Liberal

TWENTY YEARS AGO [1948] I was an extreme right-wing Republican, a young and lone "Neanderthal" (as the liberals used to call us) who believed, as one friend pungently put it, that "Senator Taft had sold out to the socialists." Today, I am most likely to be called an extreme leftist, since I favor immediate withdrawal from Vietnam, denounce U.S. imperialism, advocate Black Power and have just joined the new Peace and Freedom Party. And yet my basic political views have not changed by a single iota in these two decades!

---Murray Rothbard

[This classic piece appeared in Ramparts, VI, 4, June 15, 1968. It was the fulfillment of an ideological trend that began a few years earlier when consistent libertarians, led by Rothbard, sensed an estrangement from the American right-wing due to its support of militarism, police power, and the corporate state. Here Rothbard presents a rationale for why he and others had, by 1968, largely given up on the Right as a viable reform movement toward liberty, realized that the Right was squarely on the side of power, and thereby developed an alternative intellectual historiography. The relevance of this essay in our own time hardly needs to be explained, given the record on liberty of the Republican president, congress, and judiciary, to say nothing of conservative and right-wing media.]

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Quote Capital1:I think you rejected my application years ago.. Have you loosened the requirements?
God help this forum if the loons become mods. Been there, done that. Some people can't handle the "power".

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So has the old forum(s) been deleted? I hope not. It was once preserved but now all the old links are dead ends.

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Would my Orginal forum Name surfice,

Let me guess... Loganthor? S/he/it made some idiotic claims that remind me of you... such as whether Bush broke international law invading Iraq... from Feb 07:

"A ruling in a court of law is the only way that it becomes illegal. NO US Court is going to rule on it, My understanding is neither is the International Court."

Sounds like your nutty position on the constitutionality of a law... no one can know unless it's ruled on by a court.

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Pierpont, you are so right (uh...no pun intended.) I'm seeing this on other blog or web sites with a progressive bias (including my own personal web sites which are very political.) I don't know whether the trolls are getting paid or not, but they do seem to have an agenda and, judging by how persistent they are, I wouldn't be surprised if they were being paid. (I mean, if you work everyday, you aren't going to have time to post the many comments these trolls keep posting, so it seems likely that they would be getting paid, unless they're retired or on disability and just have nothing else to do all day.)

I've encountered one such troll (on my own web sites) who I'd met in person. He was trying to take down the occupy movement in my area. That guy would set up several Internet aliases to make it appear he was several people to antagonize political activists, including myself. He did a great job of getting occupy people fighting with each other. (Some think he was an agent provocateur, sent by the govt., to stop occupy.) And I've been dealing with harassment from him myself for several months now. As I said, he uses several aliases, making it appear that several different people are foraging personal attacks against you on a web site, but if you analyse his comments carefully, you can see the pattern and notice by his writing style and presentation that all the comments are coming from the same person.

This is something all activists on the web should be aware of: if you're getting a lot of attacks, they may be coming from one person OR from several people who were sent by one conservative organization (or the government!) on a mission to stop you from expressing certain opinions. I used to be hesitant to delete the trolls, as I believe in freedom of speech, but knowing that they hide behind fake usernames and misrepresent who they really are, I don't care anymore. Delete, delete, delete.

If you don't like me, don't agree with my opinions, then don't read my blog. It's just that simple. I don't need to publish your personal attacks on me or your threats. I think trolls should be called out. Ask them, 'Who are you? What is your name? Who do you work for? Where do you live? Show us a picture of yourself and prove you are a real person.' If you can't reveal personal info about yourself, then you can't leave personal attacks on my site and hide like a coward behind the anonymity of a username(s). My web site exists to further the cause of social justice, not to allow someone or some group with an agenda to discredit political activists or disseminate propaganda.

So there!

Roseann for president! (Sorry, couldn't help but throw that in there...)

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From above: I used to be hesitant to delete the trolls, as I believe in freedom of speech, but knowing that they hide behind fake usernames and misrepresent who they really are, I don't care anymore. Delete, delete, delete.

poly replies; Probably just one is sufficient to maintain interest...if they don't spam the threads, (as some are now doing) resort to one-;line dissing, etc.. Perhaps we should ask them to form a line....or take turns. One at a time.

I was gone for about 2 months...family tragedies including several deaths. I came back and found a mess. I expect it will be changing....sooner rather than later. Patience.

The Forum is short of moderators. Keeping track of of commercial advertising spammers and the time consumed to delete their spams found in every thread often means a quick scan of threads rather than reading all posts to see what's actually going on. New software now nips many such spams in the bud and allows more time to read the threads and sort the trolls from sincere discourse.posters. Patience.

Retired Monk - 'Ideology is a disease"

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Would my Orginal forum Name surfice,

Let me guess... Loganthor?

Yup... location "Portland", registered 07 November 2005.

Not that you ever were that bright but you've lost considerable IQ points since then Cap. Probably all that stuff that gives you those midday hangovers.

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Peir... I don't mind the First part; Your last post was for me to do, not you. A clear violation of #7. one of the few sacred rules. Please remove it.

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Would my Orginal forum Name surfice,

Let me guess... Loganthor? S/he/it made some idiotic claims that remind me of you... such as whether Bush broke international law invading Iraq... from Feb 07:

"A ruling in a court of law is the only way that it becomes illegal. NO US Court is going to rule on it, My understanding is neither is the International Court."

Sounds like your nutty position on the constitutionality of a law... no one can know unless it's ruled on by a court.

Well, I guess one picks up "nutty" things along the way. Like the 6th century concept of Presumption of innocence. You know that pesky thing that is codified in nearly all modern societies. Even the UN Human rights conventions... Still one of my favorite topics. And still correct after 5 years..

How quickly the topic exposes a person deep internal conflicts, there hatred for Bush overriding their own personal convictions.

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Peir... I don't mind the First part; Your last post was for me to do, not you. A clear violation of #7. one of the few sacred rules. Please remove it.

Cry me a river Sparky... YOU posted your real name here:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2010/04/freepers-birthers-morons-all-stripe-you-didnt-get-mad

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You are absolutely correct, I did. The begining of the New board. Tried going striaght up respectable then... Others not so much.

So retracted...

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You are absolutely correct, I did. The begining of the New board. Tried going striaght up respectable then... Others not so much.

So retracted...

The break was rereading and old draft response I never posted from 2010. I began to wonder about Loganthor. Then I checked some old threads I've archived and noticed your location as Portland. That lead to a Loganthor and Oregon search which turned up you posting under B. Cooper and .ren called you Brian. That was enough to find you... and you left enough crumbs here to confirm the bio... that you run a LLC and you wife runs a home business. Sorry to hear about your dad.

I'll pull the link down but the edit link is dead in the other forum. So a mod will have to edit or nuke the post.

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Quote Capital1:Would my Orginal forum Name surfice
Let me guess... Loganthor? [/quoteYup... location "Portland", registered 07 November 2005. Not that you ever were that bright but you've lost considerable IQ points since then Cap. Probably all that stuff that gives you those midday hangovers.
Meet Cap: (LINK REMOVED by Pier) and be sure to contribute to his opponant!

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The break was rereading and old draft response I never posted from 2010. I began to wonder about Loganthor. Then I checked some old threads I've archived and noticed your location as Portland. That lead to a Loganthor and Oregon search which turned up you posting under B. Cooper and .ren called you Brian. That was enough to find you... and you left enough crumbs here to confirm the bio... that you run a LLC and you wife runs a home business. Sorry to hear about your dad.

I'll pull the link down but the edit link is dead in the other forum. So a mod will have to edit or nuke the post.

For all intensive purposes, you did very good internet sleuthing. Nice to see Ren still sticking to me after all these years. But personal information is the one taboo that nobody ever crossed. I know the real ID's of about dozen former and a few current posters, by doing exactly what you did. piecing crumbs together. I'm pretty sure they in turn knew who I really was. But no matter how heated and angry we got with each other. We never cross the line.

My dad is the only reason I'm currently a City Councilor. I made a promise to finish out the remainder of his term, Which includes running this November to full out the last 2 years.

Since the "L" word has been through... I surprised I'm still here. Historically, It bring ups bad memories for people.

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Quote Capital1:Well, I guess one picks up "nutty" things along the way. Like the 6th century concept of Presumption of innocence. You know that pesky thing that is codified in nearly all modern societies.
The presumption of innocence is a LEGAL assumption. It's not "proof" someone did not commit a crime unless convicted. So by your standard, Hitler must be deemed innocent because he was never tried. Same with the Emperor of Japan.

Few go to trial without enough evidence to suggest a strong possibility of guilt and there's certainly enough to suggest Bush and Cheney violated international law in invading Iraq. Even Richard Pearl admitted the invasion violated international law.

You're using the POLITICAL decision not to prosecute as "proof" Bush and Cheney are not guilty of any crimes.

But we stray from the topic.

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The presumption of innocence is a LEGAL assumption. It's not "proof" someone did not commit a crime unless convicted. So by your standard, Hitler must be deemed innocent because he was never tried.

By my standard, Hilter was entitled to a trial and as such had the presumption of innocence. However the Nazi's were put on trial and was found guilty of a whole host of war crimes.

Few go to trial without enough evidence to suggest a strong possibility of guilt and there's certainly enough to suggest Bush and Cheney violated international law in invading Iraq. Even Richard Pearl admitted the invasion violated international law.

Pearl offered a opinion. So whether the invasion ACTUALLY violated the law or not is for the ICC to determine. They have refused to hear the case because International law has no jusisdiction.

The problem with international law...... is international law.

You're using the POLITICAL decision not to prosecute as "proof" Bush and Cheney are not guilty of any crimes.

IF they were found guilty of crimes, Then I would advocate hanging them for the steps of Capital Hill as a warning to future administrations. Until then.... It make for fun political discussions.

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You're using the POLITICAL decision not to prosecute as "proof" Bush and Cheney are not guilty of any crimes.

IF they were found guilty of crimes, Then I would advocate hanging them for the steps of Capital Hill as a warning to future administrations. Until then.... It make for fun political discussions.

You missing the point but what else is new. There is a legal standard of guilt and an objective standard of guilt. The Wisconsin shooter killed himself. He'll never be tried… a trial that OF COURSE he deserved if he lived.

But by your standard of bringing a LEGAL presumption of innocence out of the courts into the real world, you're saying no one should ever say he was actually guilty of those crimes because there was no actual verdict by trial. I can see why you like this standard since you then can get Bush and Cheney off the hook for an illegal war YOU approved of. But again we stray.

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Stop responding to the righties.

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You missing the point but what else is new. There is a legal standard of guilt and an objective standard of guilt. The Wisconsin shooter killed himself. He'll never be tried… a trial that OF COURSE he deserved if he lived.

I would call "objective standard of guilt" an Opinion and not reflective of Legal guilt.

Killing someone is not a clear cut as proclaiming all cases Murder. There are dozens of gray areas of killing someone. Some are even justified. You are not guilty of Murder if the killing was self defense. Can someone claim you are a murderer... Sure, but that is an opinion.

Bush is not guilty of violating international Law if US law trumps international and 2 there is not international law as the ICC says. Proclaiming otherwise is an opinion.

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Capital 1,

Coincidentaly, and I mean that sincerely, I did arrive in Portland today, not in any way because of you.

But you should consider the alternatives in your position as City Councilor in this beautiful Portland Metro Area. This place was made so beautiful because people here believed in the general welfare, which you apparently do not. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know you and I don't want to.

They did these things without a sales tax.

Property owners, generally the wealthy, paid their share.

My impression is you might feel this is unfair to the wealthy landowners. Am I right?

Regarding your on-line names, which I gather are legion, and your posts, some of which you yourself wis you'd never made, it seems; hey man, it's your bed, lie in it, but don't lie about it.

Your opponents will find out, and you'll be humiliated even more than if you'd come clean up front.

That's my advice.

Myself, filled with damning turpitude at times and typing fool speed ahead, I am just a person giving an opinion. I would never try to run for office, society already believes me to be a dangerous marijuana addict, (although I can't afford the card or the weed, no DT's ensued, as usual, when I stopped smoking it last month.), and the things I have said in my 60 year life would come back to haunt me.

You've been appointed, I understand, and I wish your family well after your loss.

But all of these posts are going to be like Romney's taxless 10 years.

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Bush is not guilty of violating international Law if US law trumps international and 2 there is not international law as the ICC says. Proclaiming otherwise is an opinion.

Been through all this before. Your attempts to constantly redebate on issues you've already lost on is pointless. I don't have the time. I need to get back to real life.

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Capital 1,

Coincidentaly, and I mean that sincerely, I did arrive in Portland today, not in any way because of you.

Welcome to Portland, We should meet for coffee

But you should consider the alternatives in your position as City Councilor in this beautiful Portland Metro Area. This place was made so beautiful because people here believed in the general welfare, which you apparently do not. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know you and I don't want to.

Myfamily has been in Portland sine 1917. I can assure you. Oregon was a Bueatiful place long before Portland.

They did these things without a sales tax.

Property taxes are the Sources of majority of Non-State funding. State funding comes from Income taxes.

Portland However is drowning in Red ink. My City has a Healthy rainy day fund.

Sales tax has been voted down multi times by the state election.. We DO NOT want a sales tax.

Your opponents will find out, and you'll be humiliated even more than if you'd come clean up front.

LOL.. My opponent is my Sons Cub Scout Leader. By all indications. may be further to the right than I. But again, I don't think you truely grasp city politics. We deal with with fairly mundain issues. Budgets, zoning, Sewer, water, police, fire, Parks. There is no Gay Marriage, Immigration, Geo politics, National Defense, Constitution or any other like type issues you will find discussed here.

Although we do have a taxing authority... Which you might be tickled pink to know I have sponsered a temporary 3-year Parks and Livibility levy that will hopfully be voted on by the council in September for the November Ballot.

You've been appointed, I understand, and I wish your family well after your loss.

If I lose... that is democracy in action and the will of the People. I will have fulfilled my promise to the best of my ability.

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Pierpont.... thank you for this thread.

This thread has opened my eyes to some on this blog and the manner inwhich they interact. I completely agree with the observation on Capital1's past and am glad to finally know more about him/her.

Recently I let myself become discouraged and frustrated to the level that I deleted all my threads and left the blog. I was determined not to blog again until I read this thread and the thread about "This Forum has rules." Thanks for starting this thread and I hope you do not leave for good.

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Been through all this before. Your attempts to constantly redebate on issues you've already lost on is pointless. I don't have the time. I need to get back to real life.

I have NEVER lost that one.

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Been through all this before. Your attempts to constantly redebate on issues you've already lost on is pointless. I don't have the time. I need to get back to real life.

I have NEVER lost that one.

ROTF... of course you did. As usual you just don't know it.

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ROTF... of course you did. As usual you just don't know it.

I'm more than happy to admit defeat when warrented... This is not one of those times. And this is not on of those issues.

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Recently I let myself become discouraged and frustrated to the level that I deleted all my threads and left the blog. I was determined not to blog again until I read this thread and the thread about "This Forum has rules." Thanks for starting this thread and I hope you do not leave for good.

Thanks for the kind words. I learned years ago I can't handle being in a forum because it will eat up all my time. I promised myself I'd end the pointless redebating of redebates and concentrate on my blog. But I never learn and always get sucked back into it. There's a book that talks about the dopamine connection with a person's strong beliefs. I believe it. I'm a debating addict and I know it. At some point I need to break it off.

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ROTF... of course you did. As usual you just don't know it.

I'm more than happy to admit defeat when warrented... This is not one of those times. And this is not on of those issues.

You're so cute when you're trying to save face!

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Thanks for the kind words. I learned years ago I can't handle being in a forum because it will eat up all my time. I promised myself I'd end the pointless redebating of redebates and concentrate on my blog. But I never learn and always get sucked back into it. There's a book that talks about the dopamine connection with a person's strong beliefs. I believe it. I'm a debating addict and I know it. At some point I need to break it off.

There is definitely a "rush" when you're in the midst of a discussion. However, the endless restating of positions on multiple threads along with the flood of threads from one source can get to be way too much. I've enjoyed not participating and feel that I may be better able to disengage now... well, at least for the present moment. Oh, and you're welcome!

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ROTF... of course you did. As usual you just don't know it.

I'm more than happy to admit defeat when warrented... This is not one of those times. And this is not on of those issues.

Just for clarification, technically the debate I'm referring to was not about the supremacy of the Constitution but whether Bush violated the terms of the AUMF and UN Treaty. We been over that same ground twice. Have no intention of doing it a 3ed time.

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FTR, seeing Scalia's nonsense from the 2010 thread shows he was losing it then, 12 years ago, and why with his recent behavior his mere presence on the court has been deemed harmful to the court itself, not to mention the country at large.

Counting ballots would be harmful to bush under equal protection doesn't consider the fact that Gore was facing the same ballot count with the same standards. The ruling might as well have stated that an election would be harmful to bush under equal protection, because he might lose, which would be harmful to him. The 20th century's worst actors were stalin, hitler, and mao. The 21st century's worst so far are scalia, cheney, and kochs.

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Thanks for the kind words. I learned years ago I can't handle being in a forum because it will eat up all my time. I promised myself I'd end the pointless redebating of redebates and concentrate on my blog. But I never learn and always get sucked back into it. There's a book that talks about the dopamine connection with a person's strong beliefs. I believe it. I'm a debating addict and I know it. At some point I need to break it off.

There is definitely a "rush" when you're in the midst of a discussion. However, the endless restating of positions on multiple threads along with the flood of threads from one source can get to be way too much. I've enjoyed not participating and feel that I may be better able to disengage now... well, at least for the present moment. Oh, and you're welcome!

Here's a thought.

Let the left-wing posters here go free; to register voters, make local changes, and protest in the flesh.

I will personally answer every right-wing restatement of all the tired arguments.

In a short while, they will give up, and leave. I guarantee.

I am more obnoxious than all of them put together, and talking to themselves will be counterproductive anyway.

If this chatspace was just filled with right-wing nonsense and my turpitudes, it would soon be empty.

In the meantime, ask Thom to start second blogosphere, when it's done, the righties will move there, and then so will I.

Then y'all can move back in here, and vice versa until they just can't take it anymore. By then the election will have been won and Obama can keep on perfecting Bush's ruined Homerland.

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Here's a thought.

Let the left-wing posters here go free; to register voters, make local changes, and protest in the flesh.

I will personally answer every right-wing restatement of all the tired arguments.

In a short while, they will give up, and leave. I guarantee.

I am more obnoxious than all of them put together, and talking to themselves will be counterproductive anyway.

If this chatspace was just filled with right-wing nonsense and my turpitudes, it would soon be empty.

In the meantime, ask Thom to start second blogosphere, when it's done, the righties will move there, and then so will I.

Then y'all can move back in here, and vice versa until they just can't take it anymore. By then the election will have been won and Obama can keep on perfecting Bush's ruined Homerland.

Brilliant!!!!! I'll vote for that!

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Quote jan in iowa:
Quote Pierpont:

Thanks for the kind words. I learned years ago I can't handle being in a forum because it will eat up all my time. I promised myself I'd end the pointless redebating of redebates and concentrate on my blog. But I never learn and always get sucked back into it. There's a book that talks about the dopamine connection with a person's strong beliefs. I believe it. I'm a debating addict and I know it. At some point I need to break it off.

Unfortunately the right wing takeover has moved me more into observation mode watching who is posting via active topics boards and selecting the one that I make comment on.

I have move primarily into twitter where you can freely block announcing twitters which might be a solution let people set up blogs but limit who can comment on them. The trolls and company can creat their own mindless threads and we could limit to people who actually want to discuss the issue.

There is definitely a "rush" when you're in the midst of a discussion. However, the endless restating of positions on multiple threads along with the flood of threads from one source can get to be way too much. I've enjoyed not participating and feel that I may be better able to disengage now... well, at least for the present moment. Oh, and you're welcome!

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RC..... I've been just "observing" lately and don't find any of the topics that interesting, just the same old arguments, the same old rightwing blah blah blah..... You have a good idea about twitter, may have to try it myself.

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Quote Pierpont:

I'm spending too much time here and intend to leave soon. But before I do I have to raise my concerns the forum is being overrun with hordes of new right wingers. Some are OK but when the forum ends up revolving around their threads then it gets out of hand. At what point is this no longer a Liberal2Left board?

I think it's safe to say no liberals here are being paid... but the same can't be said about those on the Right. We obviously have no idea who they are but they tend to follow certain rules and maybe by that profile they can be identified. Real TH listeners can't compete with those who are paid. They can't counter all the distortions, spin, and often outright lies. I do hope something can be done.

I am a libertarian and have created a few threads that have challenged the economics and ideology of Thom Hartmann and some of his listeners. It is not correct in my view to see libertarians as "right wing". I prefer the term liberal, as it was used a hundred years ago.

Putting that aside, I think you will have to provide some kind of evidence that members of this forum who disagree with you are being paid to push their ideology. That strikes me as a rather lame cover to attack people without having to respond to any substantive point. I don't doubt that some posters are rude and inconsiderate. Some might not follow rules of decorum and decency in conversation.

However, you should counter with reason and logic and elevate the debate so we can all learn something about what we all believe in regards to economics, history and ideology. If a poster is behaving badly, call them out. Inform the moderators (are there any?).

But don't whine about how too many members hold views that you don't agree with or make unsubstantiated claims that individuals are being paid to post stuff on this forum.

Besides, who can learn anything if you merely partake in some ideological circle jerk with people who think exactly like you? The only purpose of such an exercise is to constantly reinforce your already existing predilictions and biases without challenge.

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Now that I am getting blocked as spam, my time on this board is done. My last hope is that some of you realize, whether it be Obama or Romney, the American poiltical system is unalterably corrupt. You can put a new coat of paint on a house every 4 or 8 years, but does it matter if the inside is full of vermin, mold and mildew? Good luck to everyone.

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another thread on this topic appeared today :

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2012/08/trolls-trolls-trolls-where-do-they-come-why-are-they-here

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Quote DynoDon:

Now that I am getting blocked as spam, my time on this board is done. My last hope is that some of you realize, whether it be Obama or Romney, the American poiltical system is unalterably corrupt. You can put a new coat of paint on a house every 4 or 8 years, but does it matter if the inside is full of vermin, mold and mildew? Good luck to everyone.

I hope you don't get blocked ... there are others that do deserve that treatment, your work does not.

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