Harry Reid accusing Romney of not paying any taxes for ten years

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid isn’t backing down from accusation he hurled at Mitt Romney this week, accusing the Republican nominee of not paying any taxes for ten years. Reid made the claim in a recent interview with the Huffington Post, provoking renewed calls for Romney to release more than just two years of tax returns.

Reid says a former investor in Bain Capital gave him the info on Romney’s taxes. When questioned about who his source is again on Wednesday, Reid told the Las Vegas Review Journal, “I don’t think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He’s the one I’ve alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn’t he release his tax return?” That’s a good question, why don’t you, Mittens?

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So I can claim President Obama has a fraudulent Connecticut social security # and the burden of proof is on him? Who knew! Thanks Harry.

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So someone can claim the President is not a valid US citizen, and if he does not release his birth certificate, the burden is with the President? Thanks Harry, but I don't think that is the way due process works.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid isn’t backing down from accusation he hurled at Mitt Romney this week, accusing the Republican nominee of not paying any taxes for ten years. Reid made the claim in a recent interview with the Huffington Post, provoking renewed calls for Romney to release more than just two years of tax returns.

Reid says a former investor in Bain Capital gave him the info on Romney’s taxes. When questioned about who his source is again on Wednesday, Reid told the Las Vegas Review Journal, “I don’t think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He’s the one I’ve alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn’t he release his tax return?” That’s a good question, why don’t you, Mittens?

Didn't work out so well for Mary Mapes an Dan Rather. Let's cross our figures that Ried loses his job also.

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Obviously if the US President is accused of not being a US citizen, the burden of proof rests with the President. But even if the President proves that he is a US citizen, numerous times, his accusers will still not believe him.

Mitt Romney's tax returns are an important matter given the current economic reality for the majority of Americans. President Obama released his birth certificate because he has nothing to hide. The only reason that Mitt Romney won't release any other tax returns is because he has something to hide.

If Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes because of his offshore bank accounts and charity tax shelters, etc., and he didn't contribute anything back to the society that made him so rich, then he has no business being in charge of public policy. It's as simple as that.

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No, I don't think it is all that important at all. Most voters don't think its important either. That is why Harry made this sad attempt to move the issue back into the news cycle. The truth is that nobody really cares about Romney. He may as well be a cardboard cut-out. This whole election is about voting for or against President Obama.

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If Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes because of his offshore bank accounts and charity tax shelters, etc., and he didn't contribute anything back to the society that made him so rich, then he has no business being in charge of public policy. It's as simple as that.

It's a political witch hunt... The charge is that Romney took financial loses off his Tax liability AS STATED IN IRS Codes. You know the Same liberal bullshit about Corporation like GE that paid no Federal taxes. Anybody with two colliding brain cells would know that PER the IRS TAX LAW, you are allowed to roll forward your loses. GE paid no Federal Taxes because that was what the Federal IRS code allowed them to pay due to thier huge financial loses.

So Reid, probably knowing there are years in which Romney paid no Federal taxes AS PER IRS LAWS wants to get his hand on it to whip up the Single brain cell liberal base to start their endless ad Nauseum drooling of Rich don’t pay their taxes… Blah Blah Blah…..

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So a man worth millions pays no taxes, and is proposing cutting taxes more for people like him, and paying for it by slashing social security and medicare, and conservatards do not think voters will care.

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No, they don't care because they can separate political hyperbole from reality. Yes, he is worth millions, and yes, he wants to maintain the current tax levels Obama signed into law. The rest does not exist. Romney hasn't proposed Jack. Other than saying what is wrong with Obama, he hasn't proposed or offered anything substantial. Romney's last press event was... umm... well... you tell me.

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Harry Reid has not been prone to leaking the secrets of the Senate over his career. He has been all too dedicated to its image of integrity to play hardball when he had the chance. If he is sticking to what was reported, I think we have good reason to believe that it is true or close enough to make Romney want to hide it.

Compared to the utterly weird Birthercrap, where the conpiracy alleged would have to have been carried off by the best Mission Impossible team ever, the idea that Romney's legal liabilities might not quite fit into the generous loopholes and rangeland of our "tax code" seems worth a look-see. In the end, Obama and the State of Hawaii gave proof good enough for any court of law. How about the same from the aspiring Business Expert? They guy who is going to restore jobs and prosperity by tax cuts for the rich and cuts in public spending. Wall St., Pentagon and Culture War in one Ken Doll.

Suppose he has been "perfectly legal" in ripping off the lives of others as a financeer? I don't think he can stand the scrutiny even if he has not broken any laws--other than the basic moral laws. I see no reason why this drum should not be beaten as long as MItt hides his returns. If Harry is wrong, let us see.

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No, they don't care because they can separate political hyperbole from reality. Yes, he is worth millions, and yes, he wants to maintain the current tax levels Obama signed into law. The rest does not exist. Romney hasn't proposed Jack. Other than saying what is wrong with Obama, he hasn't proposed or offered anything substantial. Romney's last press event was... umm... well... you tell me.

He always says he supports the Ryan budget. And he does have a specific tax cut, top rate of 25% with no pay fors. He has to make up the shortfall either by cutting ssi, medicare, medicaid, or defense and raising taxes on the 99%.

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Reid did not claim that Romney paid no taxes, he said a contact of his said Romney paid no taxes.

Reid says he believes the friend, but does not claim proof of the conjecture.

Since Romney is avoiding the customary disclosure of tax information, I would say there is circumstantial evidence that Romney has indeed something to hide. And if he paid zero taxes, or a small proportion of taxes, I think is really probable.

On the other hand, the Secratary of State certified Obama's candidacy at the begining, and without further evidence, there is no basis to have ever concluded that Obama was not a citizen.

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Hey, I have an idea – let the IRS determine whether Romney did anything wrong. That’s their job. They have all the info they need. Unlike the public and the media, at least the IRS has to abide by the law when dealing with taxpayers.

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Reid did not claim that Romney paid no taxes, he said a contact of his said Romney paid no taxes.

Reid says he believes the friend, but does not claim proof of the conjecture.

A contact of mine said Reid was once committed to a mental institution, and I believe my friend, but I cannot claim proof of the conjecture.

Is Harry taking dog whistle lessons from the Thom Hartmann show or the White House?

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RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

Words of wisdom from Sal's book of radical agurments. They all seem to believe in Alinsky and facts just get in the way.

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Man, you just gave away the entire secret Republican plan.

Someone arrest that Sheep, these are trade secrets, this guy is the next Assange.

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So if Mitt was paying taxes, what is he hiding?
Child pornography? Ownership of brothels?

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The rich complain that they pay too much in taxes. You would think Romney would release his to show how he pays too much in taxes. Or maybe, you don't want to show how the rich pay a lower tax rate than workers. Os this a sign of how transparent his admininstration would be? Dick Cheney and the secret energy meeting again!

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DynoDon, do you really want to talk about transparency in the Obama reign of terror? The deals cut during the health debate at Carribou Coffee to avoid being put in the White House log? I could list a dozen things that have been hidden during the Presidents term. Last time I checked Dick Chenney never executed an American without a trial by dropping bombs from UAV. This President has.

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Quote Redwing:
Quote Dr. Econ:

Reid did not claim that Romney paid no taxes, he said a contact of his said Romney paid no taxes.

Reid says he believes the friend, but does not claim proof of the conjecture.

A contact of mine said Reid was once committed to a mental institution, and I believe my friend, but I cannot claim proof of the conjecture.

Is Harry taking dog whistle lessons from the Thom Hartmann show or the White House?

Why don't you put Joe Arpaio on the case?

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DynoDon, do you really want to talk about transparency in the Obama reign of terror? The deals cut during the health debate at Carribou Coffee to avoid being put in the White House log? I could list a dozen things that have been hidden during the Presidents term.

"Obama reign of terror"....... Please list the things that have terrorized you.

Please list the "dozens of things that have been hidden during the Presidents term", enlighten us.

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I didnt say terrorized me.

He has terrorized the captives in Guantamo Cuba

He has executed American citizen without a trial

He has terrorized the civilians in Pakistan with drones that have killed civilians

He is moving to destroy privacy and the 4th amendement. PIPA, SISPA, Patriot Act, and MANY others

He has terrorized the economy ask the unemployed.

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Sheep4Thom is smelling more and more like a right wing troll.

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I'd call him a question whore, but it's really the same thing.

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DynoDon,

Glad your sense of smell is better then your sense or reasoning! Is everyone that challenges you a troll? I am very much an independent and do not consider myself to be left or right.

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Notice how sheep hasn't said one thing about Romney-no responses to any points made about Romney. He answers a Romney point with an Obama attack and I wasn't even defending Obama. Like Rigel and the others, they deflect when confronted with a valid point they don't like. At least answer the Romney point, then attack Obama.

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What response would you like regarding ROMNEY?

ROMNEY filed taxes to the IRS.

If ROMNEY commited tax evation or fraud, the IRS can audit ROMNEY.

If Harry Reid has proof or evidence that ROMNEY commited fraud or abuse than they should move to charge ROMNEY.

ON the other hand, where was this outrage over Tim Geitner who was proven by the IRS to commit fraud? Or Charlie Wrangel not paying taxes on rent controlled condos? Or Pelosi using the same deductions and loopholes as MITT ROMNEY.

Did I use the words ROMNEY enough? I think if you want to go after tax cheats there is a long list and beware of throwing stones in the fragile glass house of the left. I think they should all be investigated, charged, and banned from holding public office if convited.

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Sorry-Rangel or geithner aren't running in any election I can vote in. Why doesn't he want to support the right claim that the rich pay too much in taxes? Or is he admitting the rich pay an appropriate amount and don't really need lower taxes?

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I cant speak for anyone else but I pay way too much in taxes! But lets put that aside and talk about tax equality. I dont believe in punishing success, savings, or wise investing through the progressive tax code. I think all Americans are equal and we should all pay our fair share. That being said, I woud support a flat/fair tax where every dollar that is exchanged has a fixed percentage in tax on it. Call it a commerce tax instead of an income tax. For this discussion lets say that the percentage is 15% (could be more or less and irrelevant for this discussion).

If parents die and you get inheritance - taxed 15%

If you invest and get dividends - taxed 15 %

If you make money of realestate - taxed 15%

If you work in coal mind for union - taxed 15%

If you are prostitute in Vegas brothel - taxed 15%

If you IPO goes through the roof and your are rich - taxed 15%

If you hit a slot machine for the big win - taxed 15%

I am so sick of the class debate and progressive tax system. We are all Americans and we all need to pay our fair share.

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So, if a tax cheat is not running for any elected office, they are above the law, much less any scrutiny?

Rangel is an elected official that held the chair of the tax law making House Ways and Means Committee. Geithner is head honcho of the IRS. They are both proven tax cheats.

That being said, I agree that Romney, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, all 536 elected and all appointed officials should have to publically reveal their personal tax returns and finances.

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You're getting off topic about Romney's Tax Returns. You completely miss the reality that people with lower incomes have to have different priorities. It's very different when someone pays 50% of their income for shelter than one who pays 5%. It's very different for an executive to .1% of his income for health insurance when a lower paid employee pays 15%. And so on and so on. The progressive system addresses some of this. And remember, most of those 1000's of pages of tax loopholes aren't for the bottom 90%.

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Agreed. Its the onesided anomosity that just screems hypocrisy. If you want to have every politician release 5 years of returns, make it a law. Amend the constitution to make it requirement to hold office. I thought progressive wanted to lower the bar of admission to politics, not make it harder for average person to run?

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I want to eliminate ALL the loopholes and deducations. Set that rate low enough so that every American pays an equal amount on every transaction (again using my notional 15%)

If you make $50K/year you would pay $7500 in taxes

If you make $5,000,000/year you would pay $750,000 in taxes

Seems like the rich guy is paying more right? Seems like it takes the government out of the class warfare business and gets rid of the loopholes?

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He has terrorized the economy ask the unemployed.

terrorize: create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror

The Republicans in the House and Senate have blocked all of the Presdient's efforts to get the economy moving.

Maybe you should say that the Republicans are terrorizing the economy and the unemployed.

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You do know there are two chambers of Congress? House & Senate. I dont really want to debate who passed what bill, but I would suggest you go to http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php and read up on some of the bills that have gone to the Senate to die. Its probably a list of 100's!

I know its populare talking point about the "do nothing congress", and it pains me to see that works on the weak minded left. It seems to have motivated you, and thus has accomplished its objective. So what would the republican run House want to motivate people on the left? Hmmmmmm.

As for blocking Obama...

How many Dems voted against Obama's jobs bill?

How many Dems voted to repeal Obama's health care?

How many Dems voted to extend tax cuts for all?

How many Dems voted against Obama's budget in 2011 and 2012?

Seems like the blocking is bipartisan?

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You do know there are two chambers of Congress? House & Senate.

Are you rushing so much to respond that you are unable to comprehend a post?

Quote sheep4thom:I know its populare talking point about the "do nothing congress", and it pains me to see that works on the weak minded left. It seems to have motivated you, and thus has accomplished its objective.

Now name calling and insults..... so your position IS so weak that you have to stoop to that.

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I'll assume you are young and going thru your libertarian phase. Just look at one exemption-the mortgage interest deduction. Tax reform will never pass because the realtor lobby and others will never let it be eliminated. There will be cries of killing the real estate market and you can't do that now. Add 100 other sacred exemptions and you can see tax reform is political masturbation. Here's a practical demonstration of the fallacy of low tax rates. Given the choice, would you rather make $30K and pay no taxes or make $1M and pay 90% tax. One way you net $30K and the other you net $100K.

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Quote Paleo-con:Romney's last press event was... umm... well... you tell me.

The 3-nation tour last week was SUPPOSED to be a risk-free publicity junket. How'd THAT work out?

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Agreed. Its the onesided anomosity that just screems hypocrisy. If you want to have every politician release 5 years of returns, make it a law. Amend the constitution to make it requirement to hold office. I thought progressive wanted to lower the bar of admission to politics, not make it harder for average person to run?

How does having to show your tax returns for "x" amount of years make it harder to run for office? I would love to see it mandatory to post ALL politicians tax returns every year. It should be mandatory to post them in the local newspapers.

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That is a silly argument! What if the guy that made $30K only worked half the year with a seasonal job? What if the one making $1M before taxes sacraficed vacations, and worked long hours? What if the guy making $30K is a drunk that can only get bad jobs? What if the $1M worker had to invest 6 years to get a post grad degree? What if the $30K one worked 40 hour weeks, and the $1M works 70 hour weeks? What if the $1M guys is just that much better skilled than the $30K worker.

In your world you feel threatened by anyone that gets more than you do and your stick to punish them is the progressive tax system. If the goal is to equalize the $30K person and the $1M person then what incentive does anyone have to get a higher degree, work harder, start a business?

Because whenever some progressive like you wants to fund some program you would just confiscate what they have worked for. What is wrong with this....

Worker earns $30K - pays 15% tax

Worker earns $1M - pays 15% tax

Its not your job or the job of government to determine the value of work.

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Since the invitation to speculate about exactly what it is that we'll find in Willard's tax returns that he doesn't want us to know about, is apparently going to remain open, allow me to throw my own speculation into the ring.

The Romney campaign says that releasing the returns would simply give the Democrats more ammunition, more "questionable but legal" things to make noise about in the press as a distraction from the President's allegedly miserable record. I have serious doubts about that. None of that would change ANYBODY'S mind about who to vote for in November - the dumbest of Americans are smarter than THAT.

What I think we'll find is something that will anger the Republican base. I'm leaning towards something along the lines of finding Planned Parenthood among the charities he's donated to prior to 2010. Remember that it was only in the past year or two that the the attacks on PP ramped up to their current frenzied status.

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I am very much an independent and do not consider myself to be left or right.

I love it how these "independents" come in with a name like "Sheep4Thom,".....or "LiberalSyndrome" and expect to be considered an independent.

Kinda like an "independent" going to a meeting with conservatives, wearing a T-Shirt that said "F*ckAllConservatives" and expect a successful outcome.

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Jon Stewart really took Harry Reid apart for repeating unproven allegations about what might be in the unlreleased Romney tax forms--because that is Stewart's turf and he already had a bit where we get to invent our own paranoid reason that Willard is hiding his returns.

This is a game we all get to play as long as Romney remains steadfast on this one rock of principle. Who knows what anyone might actually find there? Who cares? Is it ugly and legal or ugly and illegal? Whatever it is, RawMoney could end the mystery and doesn't. How can we fail to conclude that he is hiding something?

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Why is 51% less fair than 15%?

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SO you want everyone earning from $1 to $1BIllion to pay a 51% tax rate? Again if you read my thread i was NOT making the point for 15%, although most that have looked at flat/fair tax think its in the 12-18% rate. Regardless of the rate you think every American should surrender to Ceaser or in this case Obama over half of their income?

My point was I want to end the class warfare rhetoric by making all Americans pay one rate. Obviously the more you hear the more in real value would be paid, but in general we are all taxed equal. From the secretary to Warren Buffet.

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The question whore is waiting for you to answer them.

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SO you want everyone earning from $1 to $1BIllion to pay a 51% tax rate? Again if you read my thread i was NOT making the point for 15%, although most that have looked at flat/fair tax think its in the 12-18% rate. Regardless of the rate you think every American should surrender to Ceaser or in this case Obama over half of their income?

My point was I want to end the class warfare rhetoric by making all Americans pay one rate. Obviously the more you hear the more in real value would be paid, but in general we are all taxed equal. From the secretary to Warren Buffet.

I understand the rationale behind the flat tax and could eventually come around to it, especially if lower income people are exempt totally. However, the only thing that keeps me from accepting it is the rich will still avoid taxes in tax havens. Why give them something else to their favor?

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Quote Paleo-con:Romney's last press event was... umm... well... you tell me.

The 3-nation tour last week was SUPPOSED to be a risk-free publicity junket. How'd THAT work out?

Good point. He only did one press event the whole time, and that was in London. He did manage to use that one event to insult the host nation; which only goes to prove my point. He needs to keep his opinions to himself and just be that cardboard cut-out.

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If there were only some way for Romney to prove Reid wrong. Hmmmmmmm

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Don't worry, Romney has availed himself of the amnesty program for tax cheats, so, it's all good.

His taxes have been revised, as have his lies.

Except for the lies about filing in Massachusets, but heck, that's all water under the bridge.

Kind of like America's surplus, the one my family, and everyone else's, helped to accumulate with a measly 55% estate tax.

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Quote Redwing:
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Reid did not claim that Romney paid no taxes, he said a contact of his said Romney paid no taxes.

Reid says he believes the friend, but does not claim proof of the conjecture.

A contact of mine said Reid was once committed to a mental institution, and I believe my friend, but I cannot claim proof of the conjecture.

Right. If you don't believe Reid, then don't believe him. I believe Reid has more than zero credibility. I believe him when he said his contacts at Bain (more than one) said Romney paid no taxes. I believe this is consistent with Romney's behavior. I beleive that if Romney could pay no taxes, then he would not.

Further, I think Romney wants to pay no taxes, - and I think some of the Republican Candidates plans proposed that.

Lots of Republicans want to have zero capital gains taxes so millionares like Romney pays no tax at all.

What is your problem?

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