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Quote Robindell:When there is too much interest in accomodating those who want to harm others, that can create future problems.

...or even immediate problems.

If someone is arguing for the sake of argument—that is just a waste of time.

If someone is presenting beliefs to be truths, and is committed to recruiting new 'soldiers' to get behind the propaganda that they were once recruited with (or are being paid or programmed to promote)—that is a horror story in the making.

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Zenzoe,i could remember getting angry like your bother,when you`re that young and angry with an adult it takes a lot. Z, I think you and Poly agree a lot more than you disagree. BP to find a dog bone, LOL Z ,you prove my point,i cannot mess with you.

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Zenzoe,i could remember getting angry like your bother,when you`re that young and angry with an adult it takes a lot. Z, I think you and Poly agree a lot more than you disagree. BP to find a dog bone, LOL Z ,you prove my point,i cannot mess with you.

Well, you know, Tayl, as I've said before, it's not the direct criticisms, disagreements, arguments, or insults that bother me so much as the passive-aggressive kind do. I don't know if Poly agrees with that, or if he even notices when it happens, but it's my opinion that those are the most destructive of all interactions here. At least honest opposition requires courage; the passive-aggressive way is for wusses.

"Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress." —Mahatma Gandhi

Anytime you "messed with" me, you always did it honestly. And I actually respect your tenacity, even though I don't always agree with your stance (Remember the "show me your genitals" white rapster? Oye!).

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And the other big difference between the right and the left is that the left trusts government and politicians a lot more than the right does. How much you trust government officials to do the right thing with your tax dollars will really affect who you vote for.

The main thing that separates the right and left is evident in your post. The right seems to be obsessed with taxes and are also under the illusion that you can vote for elitist, racist fascists and achieve a functional society. Conservatives believe in magic. Even as the United States' swing to the political right has brought so much misery to the American people, they persist in attaching the false, misleading label "socialism" to that change. Even as trickle down economics is viewed almost universally as Voo Doo and a failure for our country and planet, they persist in advocating for the policies of Oligarchy.

It's pretty obvious that the amount you trust government officials is NONE. This experiment with democracy was under siege from the beginning, if you look at history, and the enemy has won. You, and those like you, are proof of the effectiveness of fear, xenophobia and greed. Time and time again over our country's history we have been drawn back into the dark ages by the wealth-worshiping right. Today, traitors like Grover Norquist continue to use taxes as a lever with which they, moral midgets, have disrupted a mighty people's democracy. The pursuit of money being the root of all evil, they live out the opposite philosophy they claim to follow.

Now, as for civility on this forum, I find it very civil, in general. It's also understandable that putting magical thinkers in the same room with people who want a fact-based dialogue will result in incivility, at some point. I, for one, would rather be banned than pretend to respect the surface-deep opinions of some conservatives. I will continue to call fools by their proper name and if I am expelled, I am expelled from foolishness anyway.

You will be civil to anyone who agrees with you, everyone else is a "fool" or "traitor" as defined by you. Sorry there are a lot of voters out here who look at policians and just see a bunch of people using tax dollars for the express purpose of getting themselves re elected. And if you don't see it that way I have some prime swampland in Florida that you need to buy from me right away. It will double in value tommorrow!

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Zenzoe, i think you have 100% agreement with all to disaprove of "smiling in face & undermining at the same time".That`s the basic tactic sexist/racist/etc.. You say that`s a tactic of wusses,i say the devil. Your wise quote from Gandhi is sure way to know if you`re dealing with honest opposition or artro turf. Z, we one of a kind,how can i mess with you. You see where i stand on your wanting of improvement of my english and focus on the 1%,i give up little bones. You`re right on the diagreement with "genitals rap song". We have evolve since,could we agree(after 50 million hits on song) that a large reason for the attention,the sexist rap was an extension of "the dozens"? The NBC moderators blew one video about women in the Olympics,"Bodies in Motion".it show women sexy bodies with no reference of names or sports,they pull it after complains calling it 'creepy"! How can a women sexy body be creepy? Z ,calm down,you know that will the creators excuse,but in my opinion,the video disrespect in not giving the ladies whole stories.That`s sexist,i would have never let it on the air.

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Maui,i will buy that land from you and sell back to you at quadtriple the price. Anydody believe that big lie that the government is the problem,will buy anything! When people are lie to,they become uncivil,that`s why the oppostion have 'problems'.

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Tayl, I’ve moved some of my responses to your last comment here to the “Women’s Issues” thread; I wouldn’t want to violate the direction of this one... ;-)

Quote tayl44: Zenzoe, i think you have 100% agreement with all to disaprove of "smiling in face & undermining at the same time". You say that`s a tactic of wusses,i say the devil. That`s the basic tactic sexist/racist/etc..

Well, I don’t believe in the devil, not literally, but I agree that sometimes duplicity can be evil, though not in a religious sense. The example your comment suggests for me would be “player” behavior, that is, putting up a false front of sincerity and care, while consciously intending harm: fraud and deception for personal gain. And I agree it’s a tactic. For some guys it provides an excuse to strut with pride; it’s a mark of masculinity. For some politicians (Romney, Bush) it becomes a defining trait, an integral part of an otherwise empty character.

Quote tayl44: Your wise quote from Gandhi is sure way to know if you`re dealing with honest opposition or artro turf.

I’m not sure if “artro turf” is a typo or the coining of a new term, but I like it: Astroturfing is an art (technique) of the 1%, after all. Thus, artro turf gets to stay. :-)

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And the other big difference between the right and the left is that the left trusts government and politicians a lot more than the right does. How much you trust government officials to do the right thing with your tax dollars will really affect who you vote for.

The main thing that separates the right and left is evident in your post. The right seems to be obsessed with taxes and are also under the illusion that you can vote for elitist, racist fascists and achieve a functional society. Conservatives believe in magic. Even as the United States' swing to the political right has brought so much misery to the American people, they persist in attaching the false, misleading label "socialism" to that change. Even as trickle down economics is viewed almost universally as Voo Doo and a failure for our country and planet, they persist in advocating for the policies of Oligarchy.

It's pretty obvious that the amount you trust government officials is NONE. This experiment with democracy was under siege from the beginning, if you look at history, and the enemy has won. You, and those like you, are proof of the effectiveness of fear, xenophobia and greed. Time and time again over our country's history we have been drawn back into the dark ages by the wealth-worshiping right. Today, traitors like Grover Norquist continue to use taxes as a lever with which they, moral midgets, have disrupted a mighty people's democracy. The pursuit of money being the root of all evil, they live out the opposite philosophy they claim to follow.

Now, as for civility on this forum, I find it very civil, in general. It's also understandable that putting magical thinkers in the same room with people who want a fact-based dialogue will result in incivility, at some point. I, for one, would rather be banned than pretend to respect the surface-deep opinions of some conservatives. I will continue to call fools by their proper name and if I am expelled, I am expelled from foolishness anyway.

You will be civil to anyone who agrees with you, everyone else is a "fool" or "traitor" as defined by you.

It's fine to disagree with me. You would be a fool, though, not to recognize there is a spectrum of gravity in subject matter. If one person thinks black people should have the right to vote and another disagrees, it is proper for the first person to call the second one a bigot for disagreeing. If I want more protection for the American tax payer and you disagree and think "free" trade with China is a great idea, I may call you a traitor because the result of your philosophy is traitorous.

So, when the word "fool" is typed by myself, it is only in response to when something foolish has happened. As defined by me? Who else, genius.

ATTENTION MODERATOR: I'm not sure if the word "genius" is considered uncivil when used sarcastically, but he is welcome to call me humble sarcastically, as well.

Sorry there are a lot of voters out here who look at policians and just see a bunch of people using tax dollars for the express purpose of getting themselves re elected.

I accept your apology for all of the ill informed voters. You are wrong because the politicians are actually wasting tax dollars on give-aways to their campaign donors, the people who REALLY get them elected. The cure to this disease is actually, as you mistakenly took as presently reality, to use tax dollars to cover election expenses and then, when politicians get to office, they can spend their time serving the people and not raising dirty money for their next run.

Yours was a very typical conservative response. It both demonstrates an utter lack of understanding of reality coupled with the sense that if enough people believe it, that makes it true. You more than proved my original post where I spoke of conservative magic.

And if you don't see it that way I have some prime swampland in Florida that you need to buy from me right away. It will double in value tommorrow!

Who did you buy it from?

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