"VP Role for Paul Ryan Has His Former Parish Priest Worried"

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This piece by Jonathan Rosenblum includes statements by Paul Ryan's former parish priest, Father Stephen Umhoefer, from Janesville, Wisconsin. The Father has an interesting perspective on Ryan.

... Ryan's austerity budget and proposed steep cuts in social programs are inconsistent with the Catholic teachings that Ryan cites to justify the policies.

"If he is following his conscience, he is doing the morally correct thing. But he shouldn't wrap himself in Catholic teaching because he is not using that [teaching] in what I would say is a balanced way," said Father Umhoefer.

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Following an interview on CBN in April 2012 where Ryan defended his budget,

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops took sharp exception, calling on Congress to resist "for moral and human reasons" cuts to food and nutrition programs to the poor. The Conference called instead for "shared sacrifice ... including raising adequate revenues, eliminating unnecessary military and other spending, and addressing the long-term costs of health insurance and retirement programs fairly." Faculty at Georgetown University put it more bluntly in an open letter to Ryan :

"Your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

http://www.prwatch.org/node/11707

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{ a couple of the external links available in the article are also included here }

Ryan's budget document : http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperityfy2012.pdf

part of the Ryan interview with CBN (video and transcript) :

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2012/04/10/only-on-brody-file-paul-ryan-says-his-catholic-faith.aspx

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I'm happy liberals are "concerned" with Ryan as Romney's running mate. That's a good thing

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Don't try to fill people's heads with this left-wing propaganda. Just because factual reality has a well-known liberal bias, that doesn't mean that you can get away with making logical statements like, "Paul Ryan believes more in the teachings of Ayn Rand than of Jesus Christ."

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Don't try to fill people's heads with this left-wing propaganda. Just because factual reality has a well-known liberal bias, that doesn't mean that you can get away with making logical statements like, "Paul Ryan believes more in the teachings of Ayn Rand than of Jesus Christ."

Don't look at me, its the faculty at Georgetown University that made the statement in bold that I included in the original post. And also, if you are going to quote something, please cut and paste it, don't reword it and put quotes around the changed version to make it look like somebody else actually said that ... after all, those become your own words when you do that, so aren't you then the one spreading "left-wing propaganda" ?

{ and you also forgot to plug "Hemp for Victory" ... potentially losing an audience that has not seen your other posts supporting this worthy, important cause, JT. }

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/13/1119716/-Romney-Ryan-Ayn-Rand-and-the-Religious-Right-The-Unholy-Alliance

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Quote JTaylor:Don't try to fill people's heads with this left-wing propaganda. Just because factual reality has a well-known liberal bias, that doesn't mean that you can get away with making logical statements like, "Paul Ryan believes more in the teachings of Ayn Rand than of Jesus Christ."

Don't look at me, its the faculty at Georgetown University that made the statement in bold that I included in the original post. And also, if you are going to quote something, please cut and paste it, don't reword it and put quotes around the changed version to make it look like somebody else actually said that ... after all, those become your own words when you do that, so aren't you then the one spreading "left-wing propaganda" ?

{ and you also forgot to plug "Hemp for Victory" ... potentially losing an audience that has not seen your other posts supporting this worthy, important cause, JT. }

I hope you're being sarcastic, because I was. I don't have a problem with accepting full responsibility for the declaration, "Paul Ryan believes more in the teachings of Ayn Rand than of Jesus Christ." That's a simple statement of fact that I can stand by until it's proven wrong. But it's not ever going to be proven wrong.

Also, I never forget to plug Hemp For Victory. That's done in every post by having the title screen of the film as my profile picture. This way, no matter what is written on any subject, there will always be some slightly subliminal mention of a 14-minute film made by the US Federal government urging Americans to grow MARIHUANA to help end the Holocaust and keep the world free from tyranny.

See? That was supposed to be funny. There's no reason we shouldn't laugh at the absurdity of reality.

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I'm just as bad at recognizing sarcasm as I am at delivering it, JT ... "My bad !" ... { i really hate that expression, but using it at this time seems appropriate }. I thought those words were a little unexpected from you.

But ... I was not being sarcastic about wishing people would include the actual quote word for word (and give source when available) because the RW'ers are frequently rewording something and trying to pass it off as an original quote (Murdoch's organization is not the only one doing it). This is done so much that the modified version stands in for the original version, and most people do not realize the switch has been made, that they have been had.

There have been other times on this message board that sarcastic comments have not been recognized as such by other users, and a reaction like mine was the result. It's hard to recognize at times. People have even included original writing and not indicated it was theirs, leaving the reader to think it was from somebody else, only later to take credit for their work when asked who the source was.

Unlike my parents, I'm not a daily viewer of Stewart or Colbert on the Comedy channel ... but I do often get into Borowitz, and sometimes The Onion. I'm a little uncomfortable at times mixing politics with comedy, especially Colbert's style; I know he is joking, but i find it's sometimes too much work to peel away the sarcasm to see the layer beneath it. Stewart is more direct in his style; Colbert makes my ADD brain work too hard for me to appreciate the comedy.

Pardon the interruption.

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Sorry, because Colbert is pure genius while Jon is a really great comedian and has made the Daily Show what it is today. He also gave us Colbert.

It does help to come to Colbert knowing that he is playing the conservative as a joke. But even if you don't, it is a lot better than having to watch the unconscious human comedy of the Right. Colbert will always be too intelligent in his humor to be a current conservative. If you find yourself falling for his con, there will be a point where the joke will be "on you" and you should laugh in relief and reassurance.

What it helps with is the fact that we have internalized so much Rightwing garbage that we are not offended by the frames we find ourselves debating in. We grant them way too much of the narrative as we joust with their issues. Colbert grabs their narrative by the balls and twists. He goes over edges that even the lemmings have avoided, and then they leap too and comedy becomes prophecy.

Anyway, I am glad you both were just joking. Genius is knowing how far too far to go, and comedy has a similar measure. The sad thing is that there are more than a few cons who could have posted this 'joke' and meant it seriously. In fact, Ryan is "the joke" turned into a horror/tragedy real life Joker. As I have said elsewhere, while Romney is the plastic Ken Doll who is "almost lifelike," Ryan is the obsessed "superman" of his own mind who projects a clear vision of moral dogma. That is his role on stage, anyway. When you follow his acting career, he has played many parts and spoken many lines that do not fit this image.

This is Mr. Ambition. He will serve Power, but he wants power to serve him as well. He is a minor league son of privilege compared to the robot Ken Doll, but he is on the make for Paul more than anything else. He is reputed to be good at "glad-handing," and unlike Mitt rarely lords it over others in public, but he has had no commitment to his district and he has voted to ingratiate rather than irritate the powers that be in his party.

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I love political comedy. George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Stewart and Colbert. They point out the logical contradictions in everyday life. The best jokes are always based on fact. For example, if you didn't know about Hemp For Victory and someone told you that the legalization of Marijuana helped stop the Holocaust, you'd think they were high on something.

But I understand the failures of sarcasm over the internet. It's caused by the reader putting incorrect inflections to the words, different than what the writer intended. It's a common occurrence. So out of respect for this forum, I'll refrain from making subtle jokes to avoid any future misunderstandings.

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Use sarcasm if you feel it heps get the pointed across, JTaylor ... those of us with pointed little heads will just have to learn to recognize it. Or, we will have to learn to just not comment so quickly on something that in the end didn't really say what we thought it said.

The editing commands for the comment box we type into seems to say it supports emoticons, but I have not been able to get any to carry through the "save". Maybe if we had a "Kilroy was here" type emoticon that said instead "Colbert was here" or something of that sort, it would be a good signoff to use to indicate that the reader was in the "The Sarcasm Zone", not to be confused with "TheTwilight Zone" that is the conservative media.

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courtesy of devos in Thom's chat room:

Will Ryan's bishop call him out as a cafeteria Catholic?

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/will-ryans-bishop-call-him-out-cafete

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You are a troll for Obama. Isn't that as bad ad a right wing troll?

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You are a troll for Obama. Isn't that as bad ad a right wing troll?

F. U.

my Dad's alma mater .

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The Dominionists are behind much of the money behind the Romney / Ryan Lying machine ... they are pulling the strings that make Romney's mouth move. If they pull too hard, Mittens will unravel and end up in a pile of yarn on the floor, but the Dominionists will still be there.

There are already several message board topics out there mentioning these guys, which you can find by searching on my id with Ryan, Bachmann, or Lizza as keywords. The Dominionists are trouble. They are also a big reason why this republican war on women has intensified after the teabaggers hijacked the republican party in the 2010 election.

The teabaggers started as people opposed to the presidents health care plan, and a response to the incorrect perception that taxes for them had gone up under Obama. They bought those lies about Obama being a socialist, without ever having actually looked up the meaning of the word!

This well meaning movement was hijacked by the Koch brothers and Karl Rove and the Dominionists, and has led to the treasonous obstructionist tactics employed by Cantor, Ryan, Boehner, and McConnell since Obama's inauguration day.

Hopefully, this nightmare will be over Wednesday morning, and we can get back to the job of digging our way out of the hole that "W" and his 8 years of b.s. left us in.

http://www.crgraphs.com/

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