Dear God: Why do you allow so much violence in our schools?

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Dear God:

Why do you allow so much violence in our schools?

Signed,

a concerned student

Dear Concerned Student,

I AM NOT ALLOWED IN SCHOOLS

Signed,

GOD

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I find this an insult to my intelligence. I would like to reply to each and every one of my sincere Christian Brethern who insult their God by forwarding the preceding piece of garbage with my heartfelt response which follows. (Please feel free to copy and pass on the following as a reply to the sender if you happen to receive a similar piece of spam.)

Did you ever think that Perhaps God might be punishing us for purveying so much violence through the over use of our powerful military weapons of murder and terror in so many countries around the world ? Perhaps He wants us to taste just a bit of what families whose lives are turned upside down as their weddings, funerals, and other family gatherings are turned into tragedies by sudden missile strikes from remotely controlled drones and night raids on their homes by our military strike forces. Perhaps the Chickens are coming Home to Roost? We train our children to glorify violence and call them heroes when they kill overseas, and pay them the highest honors when they come home in cold boxes draped in our Star Spangled Banner. And we honor them with twenty one gun salutes and sing patriotic songs about "The Rockets Red Glare, the Bombs Bursting in Air", as we gather to lower their cold stiff lifeless bodies in the ground. Should we be surprised when others within our midst loose all moral and social consciousness and turn their weapons on the most innocent of our families here at home? If you believe God is Omniscient , Omnipotent, and Just, you must believe that He knew beforehand what was about to happen and allowed things to unfold as they did for his own just reasons.

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I agree with Redwing.

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I agree with Redwing.

+1

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Religion is a mind control device which kings and emperors found cheaper and more reliable than maintaining a police force. You may call God everything that is has been and will be and then be done with it. Because it doesn't matter.

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As they say, been there, done that ... no need to rehash this subject, when this item on the message board covered it so well:

At a Tennesee football game...

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On second thought ... isn't God everywhere ? If so, He IS in EVERY SCHOOL!!!

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Religious proselytizing by certain sects of christianity is what has been removed due to the simple fact that this is not a christian nation. No US state religion is established. No religion can come to public tax paid places and sell their version of god. From the Westdonkey Blabtists to these self appointed moralists like hickeyboo, only concerned with tax exemptions.

AMERICA- Not A Christian Nation

After a thorough investigation we have found the culprits responsible for driving God out of the schools!

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1823

The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
-- Abraham Lincoln

The United States is in no way founded upon the Christian religion.
-- George Washington & John Adams, in a diplomatic message to Malta.

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So why didn't God lift a finger to save Ms. Lanza before the gun enthusiast got to the school? Or maybe God did try to save these lives, by supporting gun regulations, but has been opposed and thwarted by Satan's forces.

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Quote Redwing:

Dear God:

Why do you allow so much violence in our schools?

Signed,

a concerned student

Dear Concerned Student,

I AM NOT ALLOWED IN SCHOOLS

Signed,

GOD

Dear God:

Are you not allowed in Churches either?

Signed,

A Concerned Student

Pennsylvania Shooting Update: Two killed at church, one on roadway……..(CBS/AP) GEESEYTOWN, Pa. - The gunman who died in an apparent shootout with police in central Pennsylvania Friday morning began his rampage by shooting a woman who was decorating a church for a children's Christmas party, according to the brother of the church's late pastor.

The Altoona Mirror reports that the gunman, who sources identified as Jeffrey Lee Michael of Hollidaysburg, then shot another person outside the church…..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57560537-504083/pennsylvania-shooting-update-two-killed-at-church-one-on-roadway/

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Do you know what one mirror said to the other mirror?

"It,s all done with people."

humanity,s beliefs about God and life are the problem ,we have been passing on to our children incomplete understandings from generation to generation,creating the political,economic ,social,and spiritual crises the world is facing today.

We are all One.

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The Single Best Anti-Gun-DEAth Policy?

Ending the Drug War
Universal gun confiscation is impossible, and even aggressive gun control might not dramatically reduce gun-related deaths. But ending our ridiculous and expensive war on drugs could. This is not a column against gun control. Gun control is a good idea. The assault-weapons ban is a good idea. So are background checks, stricter licensing agreements, and greater efforts to keep guns out of the hands of minors. A prohibitive tax on ammunition? There's another good idea finally getting attention it deserves, after being suggested by comedian Chris Rock a decade ago.

But much of the gun-policy commentary that has come in the wake of the tragic Newtown massacre is misdirected. Stringent gun-control measures are unlikely to turn the United States into a peaceful gun-free society like Japan. In addition, much of the hysteria over "rising gun deaths" is badly misplaced, since the violent-crime rate and the murder rate have both been declining since the early 1990s. If we really, truly want to reduce gun deaths, there is a much better way to do it than the gun-control measures. full story The Atlantic

The vast majority of prohibitionists
profit on the drug war,
... and that is their only motive.

WHAT DOES $2,000 MEAN TO YOU?
Tell Congress: We Need Jobs, Not Cuts, Got Hemp?

As sir Hilary said...

QUESTION: In Mexico, there are those who propose not keeping going with this battle and legalize drug trafficking and consumption. What is your opinion?
SECRETARY CLINTON: I don’t think that will work. I mean, I hear the same debate. I hear it in my country. It is not likely to work. There is just too much money in it,

Shame on the Drug Worrier Profiteers
Trillion spent is a Trillion earned.
POLICING FOR PROFIT
GOP Mogul Behind Drug Rehab 'Torture' Centers
Money Grubbing Dung Worriers
Forfeiture $quads
High on Hemp

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Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1

Nixon's Treason
Special Report: Definitive proof of a historical mystery is often elusive, even with archival documents and memoirs. Skeptics can always say some witness or some evidence isn’t perfect. But the case that Richard Nixon sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks in 1968 to win that pivotal election is clear.

But would he lie about Ganja?

'Cannabis Keeps Viral Progression Down'

LEGALISE GANJA TO TREAT HIV, CANCER, DOCTORS TELL GOV'T
DIRECTOR of the Caribbean Drug and Alcohol Research Institute Dr Marcus Day believes the time has come for regional governments to legalise marijuana to counteract the spread of HIV.

"I think we should regulate cannabis ( marijuana ) use the same way we regulate alcohol use, the same way they are talking about regulating it in the states of Washington and Colorado in America," said Day, an HIV/AIDS specialist and coordinator of the Caribbean Harm Reduction Coalition.

"Cannabis actually keeps viral progression down in a body. If you are HIV positive and you are not on medication, smoking cannabis is actually therapeutic, and that's science, not people's opinion," he told the Jamaica Observer on a visit to the island last week. continued...

Making Sure Drugs Kill

"You Can't Stop AIDS Without Ending the Drug War"

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we have?

Administrated Education Depravation,
Endo cannabinoid Deficiency.
Treatment profits. Prevention/Cures Don't.
War profits, Peace don't.
Crime profits, being found guilty profits more.
We have followed without questioning,
like Universal soldiers.
Serving a minority of treatment profiteers.
Their propagandist stir the pot, keep us split.
If we are one, then we are Cannibals...

Oh great and noble hot dog vendor,
please make me one with everything!

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God is not retarded.

Another case of someone pretending to be or speak for God, painting him as impotent or ineffectual in the process.

As I understand it, God does not need or want deceivers (revisit his letter to you for a refresher) - those are the deeds of the other one.

The original Pledge of Allegiance (to flag and country), crafted before 1900 by a Baptist minister, honored the Constitution's separation of Church and State. It was during the McCarthy Era, in 1954, that the fear-and-war mongers inserted the words "under God" into it and "God" became a daily mandatory recitation in our schools.

A similar movement replaced "e pluribus unum" with "In God we Trust" on our paper money a couple of years later and the Military Industrial Complex deepened its foothold (as the Republican President at the time took time to warn us about duirng his farewell address).

Teach Peace and the rest takes care of itself.

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Religion is a mind control device which kings and emperors found cheaper and more reliable than maintaining a police force. You may call God everything that is has been and will be and then be done with it. Because it doesn't matter.

As the current regime continues the militarization of police forces around the nation. Hmmm...

I'm with Redwing!

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If God were allowed in schools then as with churches, we wouldn't have killings of innocents but we would have a very rampant pedophilia problem. By the way, you can bring God into school with you and you can pray as much as you want. You just can't force the student beside you to pray to YOUR God. God was there, he is everywhere, or so I'm told.

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, peace on earth.

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The simple answer is, "There is no g*d."

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Religion is a mind control device which kings and emperors found cheaper and more reliable than maintaining a police force. You may call God everything that is has been and will be and then be done with it. Because it doesn't matter.

As the current regime continues the militarization of police forces around the nation. Hmmm...

I'm with Redwing!

The militarization of the police forces has to do with idiots and control freaks. Believing in a magical man in the sky who micromanages everything won't help. Taking over political offices and impounding the wealth of the money junkies might help though. We need peace officers not command troops. Make the world for the people not just the 1%.

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Religion is a mind control device which kings and emperors found cheaper and more reliable than maintaining a police force. You may call God everything that is has been and will be and then be done with it. Because it doesn't matter.

As the current regime continues the militarization of police forces around the nation. Hmmm...

I'm with Redwing!

The militarization of the police forces has to do with idiots and control freaks. Believing in a magical man in the sky who micromanages everything won't help. Taking over political offices and impounding the wealth of the money junkies might help though. We need peace officers not command troops. Make the world for the people not just the 1%.

I do not belive God micro-manages things. So what was your point about religion as a mind control device of rulers? That government IS militarizing local police forces will make command troops to control the 99%. Our politicians and the 1% surround themselves with armed security (both public and private) to protect them from the crazies and the 99%. Are you talking "r-e-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n"?

Be careful...;-p

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/06/1042835/-Why-is-the-Federal-Gov...

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Quote darlinedarline1@aol.com:[...]I do not belive God micro-manages things.[...]
Nor do I. It's hard for non-believers to distinguish the difference between the synergism of "free will and a path to salvation" and the fatalism of other religions.

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One might conclude, according to the basic behavior of humans in general, GOD has been excluded from a number of clubs and organizations.

This is going on the most basic definition "GOD is LOVE." Love is what the world needs now- someone once sang.

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I think the pedophilia problem was the result of celibacy for priests.

As well, there was a reason for nuns wearing big dresses and always managing "orphanages."

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And that was the Message- Peace on Earth, Good Will Towards Men.

I agree that "Believing in a magical man in the sky who micromanages everything won't help."

But that is not a universal concept held by the Mature faithful who pray for peace. We are summoning a vibration to counteract Goebbel's changing concert pitch in 1940 in order to make us more hysterical and easier to control.

Theology clearly distinguishes between the perils of Magical Beliefs, Mysticism, and what are mysteries that we simply cannot understand.

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As I recall, The Lord's Prayer was recited before class began as a means to settle the kids down, and as we got older, to reflect before our day of having to get along with each began. In summer camp it was the same, and could happen wherever a diverse group of children were assembled.

This was to set the tone of harmony for all that would follow. It worked pretty well to have us operating according to some sort of fundamental reverance for life. I never saw a fight elementary-high school, in public school. Those were the Happy Days.

Analyzing The Lord's Prayer, one finds it to be completely useful by all religions and a great dispeller of fear and discomfort. Any religion can say it with application- no favorites are played except to acknowledge the provider of existence.

I interview hospice CNA's who are at deathbeds as a profession. Most carry a Bible and read scriptures to themselves between tending the patient. Tending deathbeds, one witnesses extraordinary things.

The saddest story I heard was in the last moments of a father's life, the family was gathered around the bed holding hands asking the CNA "What can we do? What prayer can we say?"

They were not what some would describe or peg "a religious family" obviously.

The CNA suggested The Lord's Prayer. Everyone said , "Yes, that is what we should do!"

But when they started to pray together, no one could remember the prayer- no gentle sounds and family voices to lift their dying loved one and their own burden of grief. Just loss, pain and confusion for the ones left behind.

Madeline Murray O'Hair , founder of American Atheists, used her child to sue to have The Lord's Prayer removed from schools, to push her own agenda for drawing attention to herself as a mediocre attorney in a mediocre career. She, her son, and daughter died a gruesome death.

I urge everyone to closely look at the picture of the woman at the podium on the Wikipedia Page to see the woman who became a leader of this movement so many people have gone on to follow.

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It's hard for non-believers to distinguish the difference between the synergism of "free will and a path to salvation" and the fatalism of other religions.

I can't speak for other religions--or any religions at all, for that matter--but I understand the difference.

Unlike believers, I'm just not afraid of the eternal cold comfort of the grave.

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Believers aren't afraid of death under the principle, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord," acknowledging our life and the earth came about not of our doing, and we really don't know why.

Logically, we don't see how Life springs from an eternal grave.... That is unnatural.

When it's over, we know about the end as much as we did in the beginning when we were born.

Ashes to ashes,
Dust to dust.
That's my bank balance,
God is my Trust.

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Quote leighmf:Believers aren't afraid of death under the principle, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord," acknowledging our life and the earth came about not of our doing, and we really don't know why.

Whatever works for you is fine with me.

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Quote leighmf:I interview hospice CNA's who are at deathbeds as a profession. Most carry a Bible and read scriptures to themselves between tending the patient. Tending deathbeds, one witnesses extraordinary things.

Will you stop the BS in the name of selling your pet god. I am a hospice HHA and you are one tilted biscuit. Hospice came out of England, and nothing is farther from Christianity than death with dignity. It is true that patients experience talks with the angels. I've witnessed it several times. But no one else in the room sees them or hears the conversations the patients are having. Because the final stages bring hallucinations. I've whispered for them to cross over, to head towards the light when it is their time. Most, especially the younger, fight like hell to stay here and only after they physically can't go on do they accept their fate and stop struggling. What do they fight for, years of materialism crap they know they can't take with them. Usually after they do come to the realization it is a spiritual, as in peaceful time. As far from the rigidity of dogma and religion as you can get.

God of the Christians is the same literal God of the Jews and Muslims and yet each claims title for political purposes. Pitifools who have to lie to spread their religion are in it for the money. Stop the BS. God has no respect for humans or their silly inventions like Church and religion or even language. God is Evolution from the subatomic particles in the primordial ooze. The parts in-between the atoms science doesn't research because it might prevent or cure and not just make them wealthy treating symptoms. Heroin reaches pain 80 times faster than morphine but the church thinks pain is a way of absolving sin. Ganja is what every decent Hospice nurse and caregiver carry with them for the patients. That and Rox cocktails if the DEA decides to cut their dosages in spite of the pain.

I remember going to school throughout the 60's. 59 - 71. The lords prayer was no different than wearing your rubbers in the rain. Or riding a school bus. Same with the pledge of allegiance. It was repetition that had no bearing on the day. Our school remained segregated long after the civil rights act due to the real estate market refusing to sell to minorities. No property, then no going to my public school. Yes the lessons god taught us in the 60's was why we revolted against the establishment and their for profit wars. Each day was different. As it always is. Some good days and some bad. Nothing to do with repeating poems in the morning.

Actually there is a biblical passage that says the opposite, And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly. It seems many religionists are still in the closet.

Elementary students didn't "go over the hill" to fight, that is true that those actions usually came after, in high school. Where there were plenty of after school fights. No guns or kinives or cheating. The spectators cheering the fighters on would intervene and everyone would kick their ass for weapons. Even after football games when "gangs of kids" would go against each other. Only fists, no weapons, and it was usually over before the buses pulled out. Bainwashing kids for profit is what religion does. Except for the zealots like hickeyboo are egomaniacal, probably gay bullies. Thank God for Madeline Murray O'Hair.

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Incredible that a loving g*d would allow his children to fight each other to the death.

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She, her son, and daughter died a gruesome death.

On August 27, 1995, O'Hair, her son Jon, and granddaughter Robin suddenly disappeared.

"Despite pleas from O'Hair's son, William J. Murray, several briefings from federal agents, and solid leads developed by members of the press, the Austin Police Department (APD) sat on the sidelines of the O'Hair investigation.... Meanwhile, investigators from the Internal Revenue Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the Dallas County Sheriff's Office are working together on the case ... a federal agent was asked to discuss APD's actions in the O'Hair case. His only response was to roll his eyes in amazement.

Such fine example and representation of tax paid christian fellowships... Yup the Austin Police Department shows exactly how christians are towards non christians... Oh please bring more examples...

to push her own agenda for drawing attention to herself as a mediocre attorney in a mediocre career. She, her son, and daughter died a gruesome death.

Those kids shot in their classrooms also died gruesome deaths. Was that also gods wrath on them? Was the shooter an angel of mercy as you elude to the murderer of O'Hair being? Because of her Atheism?


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Or not. Maybe humans seek power and kill each other for it. They also teach racism generation after generation. Many in the name of the lordy lordy. Religion is the opiate of the masses, without getting high. Just the addiction and expense. Like a hangover without the party the night before. God is a necessary invention of the despots to herd the sheople.

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12/27/12 -

In wake of Newtown shooting, why blame atheists?

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"Fear knocked at the door, Faith answered and nobody was there."

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I can't say it any better than Bill, so I won't try.

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O'Hair was murdered by the American Atheists office manager.

Murdered by the wrath of an atheist

Murder is not part of the God agenda- remember. Thou shalt not kill.

Thou shalt also not bear false witness against thy neighbor- by twisting their words and projecting. I never ALLUDE or infer- I say what I mean.

I do not sell God. I don't even go to church because too many men make passes at me there.

I Believe in God- just like Claude said in "Hair"- Song Reference- Manchester, England, England

I'm also a "genius, genius." like Claude said, thanks to God's hand directing the shuffle of my parents' DNA. It helps me figure out what to do and how to speak nicely to others, even those who enjoy insulting me.

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Oh, excuse me, the internet hiccupped. See below.

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"Fear is a mind killer." -Robert Heinlein

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Same here. Because obviously Religious Tolerance is a notion of the past.

That is why we were raised to never discuss Religion or Politics. This blog community is constantly at each other's throats as a consequence.

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Thank God for Madeline Murray O'Hair.

This is by far the dopiest thing you have ever said.

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so either

A) your god is not omnipotent, or

B) your god decided to punish those most responsible - a bunch of six-year-old kids?

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Meow Tse Tongue, I am not sure you are addressing, but

My opinion is the Dead are the lucky ones- the Living are punished.

I also do not see the point of assigning characterististics and behaviors to the Unknowable. That is idolatry and magical thinking.

The only suitable all-around definition of "God" so far is "God is Love." If you don't like the word God, substitute Love.

Have we been Loving or Hating?

Would we be in the throes of global instability if the First and Great Commandment were taken seriously?

"Love the Lord Thy God with all thy heart, body, soul, and mind. This is the First and Great Commandment and the Second is like unto it: LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Profits."

Notice it says "Thy God" which is a very personal thing. Are we not having a BIG problem now with people not loving their neighbor as well as themselves? Where was the concern for the boy who was sick and tortured amongst his classmates. Did anyone love him as well as they loved themselves and their own happy home? He was outcast and regarded a nuisance.

We have our own Politicians aiming to starve the elderly. Therefore, it is for the twisting of the Law, the thwarting of justice and judgment to the ends of heaping up unjust wealth for which we should hang all the Law and the Profits.

We have had ample time to learn the lessons of guns,mutilation, and death. Thousands of years we have been killing each other. We have been shown the consequences. We the living are punished by having to deal with shambles of our own wars and means to destroy each other, to steal from each other. Guns have amassed oppressive, evil wealth and still its ok.

The living are punished by their own failure to heed the lessons of the past.

Interesting that between Littleton and Newtown, there is little new under the sun.

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[quote=leighmf]

I interview hospice CNA's who are at deathbeds as a profession. Most carry a Bible and read scriptures to themselves between tending the patient. Tending deathbeds, one witnesses extraordinary things.

Quote DdC:

I am a hospice HHA and you are one tilted biscuit.

Does this mean you are better than me? I have never been financially reimbursed as a tilted biscuit. What does that pay?

Do you volunteer as a Hospice HHA? HHA means you can clean, change sheets, and shop but you have less medical training than a CNA, the bottom of the medical rung.

I volunteer interviewing CNAs and other health team persons on behalf of terminally ill friends and loved ones I have cared for because they had no family or immediate friends willing to take on the responsibility of their death. Hospice is a bilking racket in South Florida. This is not a reflection on Hospice workers- but many have told me they have their own directives to NEVER be put in hospice.

Protecting an ill person from strangers is essential to their security. Sometimes there is a bad match with health care, aides, and the patient. If a dying person is Catholic, I place their Mary statues, rosaries, and candles all around their bed. It is what they want, not what I believe that counts.

I am interested in you coming up with a title for this difficult job I sometimes have- TILTED BISCUIT. That means holding someone in your arms who is dying all alone. Whenever I have worked as a TILTED BISCUIT it has taken its toll on me. I am strong for the duration, then I sink into a feeling of uselessness, along with grief. This can haunt me for months.

I suggest to all, unless you are a person capable of cognitively dealing with depresssion and melancholy, do not volunteer for the job of TILTED BISCUIT .

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leighmf, you sound more like an angel than a tilted biscuit.

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leighmf wrote: If a dying person is Catholic, I place their Mary statues, rosaries, and candles all around their bed. It is what they want, not what I believe that counts.

poly replies: It's probably appreciated. The statue is a representation of someone cherished...much like the photos of my dead parents are to me. You might add photos and representations of others they cherish alongside the statue.

Candles are a symbol of the "Light of the World"..a reminder that we need not live or die in darkness.. The rosary is a means of meditation. It often has meaningful memories attached to it.

Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

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I have a lot of criticism about the way education has been robbed of its soul as job training and teaching to the test have replaced any of the fine nurture of innate curiosity and building the child's narrative of meaning. As a college chaplain, campus minister and educator, I saw a lot of work that needed to be done to help education be education and serve the full person instead of these shriven agendas of anxiety.

I was also a religious presence on campus, available for those who had religious issues, but working to make education on campus a full human experience rather than converting people to religion. I did get to manage the religious organizations on a major campus, helping those religious professionals and volunteer leaders be helpful and keeping them from violating the religious freedoms of others. But, my major work was in social justice and peacemaking with student groups and classes, not 'doing religion.'

I find the whole meme of God being banished from the Public Square and schoolrooms to be silly, but the kind of silliness that can do harm. School is about school and education and is not your church away from church. Those who think they want God back in the Classroom want THEIR GOD there, but would not want to have it become an Islamic Madras for their kids. Or, they want the dysfunctional religious polemics to be the content of the courses, not a study of the sociology of religion or the nature of religious beliefs appropriate to a public school classroom. I guarantee any course that raised these issues would start of firestorm of protest from gored religious.

As some theologian earlier pointed out, if God is everywhere, God is in the Public Square and schools. The Religious seem to think that Secular Society has amazing powers to tell God what can be done and where God can be. I think they need to trust the God more. The Author of All Truth and the Font of Justice does not need a religious brand to be present wherever Reality is.

Had the advocates of Christian American theocracy not become such dangerous pests, the study of religion in schools and even the use of a number of generic prayers about peace, knowing and caring becomes divisive and controversial. Mr. Rogers was an ordained Presbyterian minister who saw his program as a ministry to children. He managed to do a lot of faith without getting religious on the air. It might have been nice to have a world where Fred could let people know that he was also a Christian minister on tv, but what would it have added of value to his work?

Keeping religious branding out of our public schools is both denominational and collective brand sensitive. If you let the really good ones, like Mr. Rogers, come in with their religious materials and subjects, how do you keep the fools and frauds out? How do you keep those who are sincerely out of it out of it? I mean, I would never let the Hagee near my kids! Jeremiah Wright is another matter, and I know a number of wonderful Christian educators whose pedagogy and ability to inspire would make them great guests. But, in order to have my religious freedom, I need to respect theirs. If only they could learn that in reverse.

It is also curious to me that Redwing's taunting lines put fear and faith in opposition, as I would. However, what passes as 'faith' far too often and rabidly on the Right is FEAR mobilized dogma out to get others. Finding any real faith in the religious communities today is not easy. Spiritual pablum and cultural values of decency or apocalyptic history for the chosen coming to pass, there is very little grappling with reality in our existential moment or vision of the future. There is no theology of power being developed to counter Imperial Domination and no theology to call down Mammon and Mars as America's true gods.

I would love to have Chris Hedges go to every classroom and teach justice and love because he is the real deal. When we are ready to have the true prophets and healers work with educators to reform our schools, maybe then God will get back in. That ain't what the Redwingers are crying about, however, and there is no way we would ever agree on which God or which representatives of which religion would qualify. It is why the Church and State are separated as institutions despite the fact that both Church and State have interests in the humanity and the society shared. It ought to be the interest of the Church to have the State be the State, not to be "the Church."

Finally, this is where 'secularism' is blamed when we want states and schools that are not branded by the Church. To the extent that religion is disrespected on campus or where social immoralities are fed and encouraged, the Church has a role of critic of the Schools for bad education in the context of the value of the human beings. Rat race training and preppie cheating skills may well serve the corporate hedge fund manager and vulture capitalst. We do have a duty to speak out against the Academy of Greed and Lust as it credentials our misleaders and master criminals of finance.

We have a fundamental theology problem with those whose sectarian traditions pose a negative vision of civil society and government. Sociologically, I could appreciate their desire to homeschool and teach their own metaphysics and morals WERE THEY going to continue to be a separate community unto themselves. When I have to live with fellow citizens, I expect them to have a positive regard for other citizens and this participation in power status. I expect them to appreciate the reciprocity of rights and to avoid theocratic attempts to impose their religion, beliefs and mores on others. Even when they are in the majority, they don't get to brand the State with their parochial brand.

The social reality is that a subculture has emerged and become part of the larger primary American population. As they gain participation in power, their sectarianism has to yield to being participants instead of outsiders. Instead of resisting government because it always meant the imposition of power on their powerless status, they now have to engage in governing collectively instead of protecting their autonomy. What they have opposed in the "liberal secularism" has to become a conversation about human values in a democratic society. It is not all a one-sided question of their becoming liberal humanist Americans in school. I think a lot of liberals could use a dose of religious education and values clarification as we go along with the powers that be. We really need a spiritual revival in education--but not a religious one.

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so if there was a God - he would not only condone school violence, but be a party to it? In order to make a point about missle strikes in Afghanistan where there may (or may not) be a terrorist hiding amonst children to escape prosecution for blowing up a mosque the day before?

So 'your' God will randomly kill 6 year olds who are not harboring a missle launcher or a market square gunman, just to prove a point?

that is sarcasm - because there is no such being who would condone this - the sad part of this is that there are people here who think it is fair anyway - that kids are allowed to be massacred as long as it brings attention to gun ownership in the US...

you are the same sick twisted people who made similar statements that the WTC needed to come down so that the world would understand how upset Islam was with US intervention in the middle east...

you freaks are as bad as the triggermen

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should you make sure those kids were going to join the military in 12 years and murder innocent afghanis before you executed them for a cause? you should also double check and see if they played those video games that glorify violence before you bury them with the epitath "live by the sword, die by the sword".

But i guess that logic would also work for those people who die on the highways when drunk drivers kill them... this way, those dead people can be a reminder that drinking and driving could kill other innocent people later...(but I doubt you yourself would be on a crusade to condemn drinking), you probably think that it is a victimless crime...

could your logic also provide insight to a woman who gets beaten, raped and killed while jogging in the park? she was obviously asking for this... so her death would be a reminder to all that running and raping don't mix...

regardless of religiou views or political opinions - this is a trash post.

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I am not sure what post you referred to as trash. Try citing the number.

While many of us are already sensitized to the drones, Sandy Hook produced a more serious response than usual. Sure it was White kids, not the urban gang victims that grabbed the visuals. But they relate, and the spark that lights the fire often comes from the accumulation and not the event that triggers the change.

Stupid gun policies have been there, and many liberals have become tired of jousting with ideology and myth in the effort to have common sense safety practiced.

When we use the deaths of innocent victims to promote laws that can mitigate against future events, it is hardly exploiting a crisis to respond to a tipping point moment.

drc2
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You go ga ga at the go go?

Y'all mean Claude Hooper Bukowski?

She asks me why
I'm just a o'hairy guy...

Thank God for Hippies

You're far too keen on where and how
But not so hot on why

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"Dear God, why do you allow so much violence in our schools?"

"Because I am a selfish, mendacious, mean spirited, malevolent, psychotic prick." God

That... or the absurdity implied in the question of a omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent deity kept out of an area based on lies....

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Jamlat:

You confuse "blowback" being recognized and "justification" of the crime committed on 9/11. I have yet to hear anyone justify the attack or say that "we deserved it" instead of "we provoked it" or some description of an intellectual grasp on what motivated bin Laden and made al Qaeda attractive to a radical fringe of extremists. The historical assessment that runs from Ronnie using bin Laden to screw with the Soviets, then leaving him be and feeling abandoned while Pappy Bush plays around with ending the Vietnam Syndrome by tricking Saddam into thinking his grievances against Kuwait were going to have our support, disrupting Islamic politics severly and leaving our troops on Islamic Holy Ground is explanation, not justification for his case or actions.

I find the idea that anyone is disgusted by the mass killings and the ongoing daily toll is using the victims to play out some partisan issue of choice. We don't want kids to be allowed to be massacred at all, and the alternative you pose seems to be that we say nothing at all about the outrage so we can talk about guns 'objectively.' Really! What kind of freak are you?

There is a lot of theological confusion about the big issue of God and the existence of Evil, and most of the talk about what God allows or intends in terms of good and evil lead nowhere.

If the Nature of God is said to be Good, it is also known as Love, Justice, Compassion, Healing and Forgiveness. The important theological question is never the existence of God instead of the existence of the human. The God who is involved in life instead of abstract to it lives and breathes in and with us. This God shares the same ride of Good and Evil as we engage in a love embrace, and it is up to us to use the means of grace instead of the hard and futile task of "saving ourselves." Love does not pretend that evil is not there or that we have always done the Good instead of Evil. Love tells us that we and our world is neither perfect in that sense of Good nor Evil in the sense of broken and rotten and nowhere to be human beings. The commitment to Justice does not have to be predicated on a reality of Good disproved by the existence of Evil. It is predicated on the healing of what is broken because we are good creatures in Good Creation working with the Healing Force of the Cosmos toward that end.

Nothing about getting there matters to the doing of it in the sense that love is very much alive and well in the midst of all this suffering and destruction. We need to use it a lot more than we thought. It may be the most real thing we know of all.

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