Do Banksters and the Military Industrial Complex Rule the World?

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  • Conspiracy theorists say that an Illuminati Banking cartel rules the world. Are they right in asserting this ? In this post I will explore what conspiracy theorists and others say about this and the military industrial complex.
  • The above quote is fascinating, in part because the Rothschild name is deeply tied to banking and central banks for many centuries. David Allen Rivera asserts in The House of Rothschild :

    No other name has become more synonymous with the Illuminati than the Rothschilds. It is believed that the Rothschild family used the Illuminati as a means to achieving their goal of world-wide dominance.
    ……
    American and British Intelligence have documented evidence that the House of Rothschild, and other International Bankers, have financed both sides of every war, since the American Revolution. Financier Haym Salomon, who supported the patriots during the American Revolution, then later made loans to James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe, was a Rothschild agent. As explained earlier, during the Napoleonic Wars, one branch of the family funded Napoleon, while another financed Great Britain, Germany, and other nations. Their boldest maneuver came prior to the Civil War.
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    There seems to be little doubt that the Rothschilds continue to influence the world economy, and it is known that they are squarely behind the movement to unite all the western European nations into a single political entity, which is just another step towards one-world government.
  • Another quote by Paul Warburg is even more fascinating :

    “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.” -James Paul Warburg, whose family co-founded the Federal Reserve – while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950
  • So conspiracy theorists do have some factual basis in what they say. Rob Kirby in Whether Or Not We Like It :

    First, for the uninformed, in America the name “Warburg” is and always has been synonymous with Central Banking. The Warburg family name is inextricably linked to ‘old world banking’ in Europe as well as being one of the prime architects of the formulation and passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913;

    “Paul Warburg became known as a persuasive advocate of central banking in America, in 1907 publishing the pamphlets “Defects and Needs of Our Banking System” and “A Plan for A Modified Central Bank”. His efforts were successful in 1913 with the founding of the Federal Reserve System. He was appointed a member of the first Federal Reserve Board by President Woodrow Wilson, serving until 1918.”

    Second, after careful analysis and consideration, it is very apparent that the dogmatic pursuit to inflict private, for profit, Central Banking upon the masses is consistent with [if not synonymous with] the clearly stated goal of Paul Warburg; that of World Government.
  • A 1 world government in itself is neither good or bad. The worry is when it becomes fascist and dictatorial.
  • President Dwight Eisenhower has this advice in his farewell speech to America in 1961 warning about the Military Industrial Complex :

    …Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations…

    …In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist…
  • Major General Smedley D. Butler, in WAR IS A RACKET says :

    WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
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    Millions and billions of dollars would be piled up. By a few. Munitions makers. Bankers. Ship builders. Manufacturers. Meat packers. Speculators. They would fare well. Yes, they are getting ready for another war. Why shouldn’t they? It pays high dividends.
  • Rob Kirby again :

    The military-industrial complex has no greater champion than the parasitic institution of banking, and for painfully obvious reasons; the staggering amount of money spent on this edifice – more than the net income of ALL U.S. corporations – is exclusively BORROWED.

    Forever mortgaging our children’s futures further entrenches the blood-sucking dominance and control that finance exerts over the productive or real economy until finally, left unchecked, the parasite kills the host.
  • What about the new Obama administration? What are their priorities? Chris Floyd comments in Enduring Priorities in an Age of Change: War and Profits Over People :

    At the same time, he promises to expand – to expand – the multitrillion-dollar war machine that has literally bled the nation dry. He wants to expand a military-industrial-security complex that already devours more money and resources than every other military force on earth combined. He wants more troops, more weapons, an ever-increasing “global strike capability,” an escalation of the endless, pointless “War on Terror” in Afghanistan and Pakistan (for starters). He has never said a single word about “curbing government spending” on this vast conglomerate of death and destruction. He has not said a single word about rolling back even a few of American military outposts that in their several hundreds now cover the entire globe. At every point, it seems, government spending on the war machine – including the tens of billions of dollars spent in secret each year on the various tentacles of the “national security” apparatus – will be increased under the Obama administration.
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    The president-elect has made his fundamental priorities clear – for anyone who wants to see them. The war machine and the financial markets will continue to be gorged and comforted in their wonted manner. Programs to help ordinary citizens, programs to enhance the quality of life for individuals and the well-being of society, will be the first – perhaps the only – areas to feel the budget axe. Whatever you may think of the efficacy of such programs, this ordering of priorities — war and profits over people — bespeaks the same depraved sensibility that has prevailed for generations in Washington. It is the same old rancid swill in a stylish new container.
  • Change we can accept or more of the same ? For the people or for large military corporate interests? His actions speak louder than his rhetoric.
  • Famous quotes on Central Bankers :

    “Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.”
    – The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
    - Thomas Jefferson

    “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson. History depicts Andrew Jackson as the last truly honorable and incorruptible American president.”
    - Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • We may never know for certain the history of the Illuminati or the Rothschild family. What is certain is that prominent people throughout history has warned us about Central Banksters and the Military Industrial Complex. Draw your own conclusions.
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Okay, so bankers and war profiteers run the country and your government refuses to prosecute any of them for obvious crimes.

What are you going to do about it?

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Everything I can to expose it. What does YOUR government refuse to do? Is it run by the same banksters and war profiteeracket? What are YOU going to do?

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I'm going to pull their pants off...read my blog.

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Well, the former chief economist of the IMF beat you to the punch...at least as far as the U.S. is concerned.

"The crash has laid bare many unpleasant truths about the United States. One of the most alarming, says a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, is that the finance industry has effectively captured our government—a state of affairs that more typically describes emerging markets, and is at the center of many emerging-market crises. If the IMF’s staff could speak freely about the U.S., it would tell us what it tells all countries in this situation: recovery will fail unless we break the financial oligarchy that is blocking essential reform. And if we are to prevent a true depression, we’re running out of time."

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/05/the-quiet-coup/307364/#

Probably the wealth and productive assets of one nation after another will continue being transferred to banking and financiers.

We haven't yet reached the point of Ireland....where every dime earned by every Irishman over the next three years is owed to the world's largest banks. Bailing Irish banksters was a bit expensive.

The Irish probably should have followed Iceland's lead and told the international banksters to go to hell and throw their own local crooks in jail..

We should probably have done the same instead of throwing trillions at them with Quantitative Easings 1, 2 and 3..

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They don't rule the world-they just have the clout to get what they want.

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Well, clout is all it takes to rule whether through arms or money.

"We have a chance today to end the charade of big money gridlock politics, as well as the reign of the big banks. We have the power to choose prosperity over austerity. But to do it, we must first restore the power to create money to the people. " - Ellen Brown.

She provides suggestions on how to do that in a recent Asia Times article.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/OA25Dj01.html

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Yay. So which Bush will be the next Pres?

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Which Republican neo-liberal twit do you prefer to take the place of the current Democratic neo-liberal twit in 2016?

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Well, we could try to elect a non neo-liberal twit, but that'd take a lot of work, we'd have to get out, organize, communicate... oh look shiny thing on TV! Oh new car! No, new candidate! Woman! A woman President!? A President sans penis!

Yeah, the chances of moving foward and actually getting any change is between zip and none. I mean what has Obama accomplished? Other than ending two wars, cutting the deficit every year in office, stopping the worst US recession in living memory, gays openly serving in the military, catching Osama bin Laden, supporting gay marriage, Arab Spring, etc etc etc.

Do you believe Grampa McCain would have supported the Arab Spring? Because we can find the quotes. I mean, McCain supporting Khadaffi over protesters really is a new low. Do you think McCain and Palin would have backed any of that list? Or healthcare reform?

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The Rothschilds are no longer just the Rothschilds - for instance, they've intermarried. Blood members of the family are now found on all continents, so that's only good as far as a true geneaology will take you.

Just the same, they are 'illigitimate' in the true sense of the word, and have all been 'foreclosed' upon very recently (since Fall of 2012, and ongoing).

In several separate matters of law, all the various 'corporatized' governments are being foreclosed, the 13 Federal Reserve Branches have all been served Cease and Desist orders, the Pope (and Catholic Church, in Rome) is about to be indicted on numerous criminal charges and crimes against humanity (nice that he stepped down last week to seek asylum at the Vatican, eh?), and there is more coming - much more.

So yes, the people have DONE their research. We now know whom it is we've all been lookng for, what it is they've done, and everything is either already well past early completion or very much in the works.

And 'no', it isn't some SuperHero force that is accomplishing all this (long overdue, we might point out) hefty, painstaking legal work - it's people, just like you and me. First a few dozen, then thousands of us... soon to be millions.

This is the Revolution they never wanted to see - we're taking it all back, for all of us, one charge, one name, one filing at a time. All of it, in law, because it was stolen from all of us in the first place - and that is our common heritage.

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Don't forget Hitler was elected via the democratic process....Oh, so was obamy for that matter.

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Don't forget Hitler was elected via the democratic process....Oh, so was obamy for that matter.

Have you researched that this claim? Or are you parroting other no nothing conservative bullshitters?

Hitler lost the 1932 election to Hindenburg even though he had the backing of Germany's largest industrialists.

They then forced two more parlimentary elections in 1932, which the Nazis failed to win either one. They still forced Hitler onto the govt as Chancellor. The industrialists on the side financed a paramilitary movement for the Nazi party, securing guns and ammo. Then the Reichstag fire (which was likely the work of the Nazis) gave Hitler the excuse to arrest all the Communists, and then exclude the Social Democrats from govt.

Hitler never won election in Germany.

A minority party, with a mobilized armed group of real patriots put Hitler in control of Germany. So remember that the next time the Koch Bros (whose Grandfather was a German industrialist) organize a Tea Party bus to shout down a Democratic Representative somewhere.

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Yeah, the chances of moving foward and actually getting any change is between zip and none. I mean what has Obama accomplished? Other than ending two wars, cutting the deficit every year in office, stopping the worst US recession in living memory, gays openly serving in the military, catching Osama bin Laden, supporting gay marriage, Arab Spring, etc etc etc.

I'm glad to know the wars are done, the troops are home, the drones are in their hangers, and the U.S. finally has the peace dividend after the collapse of the cold war...with a defense budget cut in half.

The worst recession in living memory is still with us and about to take off big time with austerity cuts to balance the budget.You're not paying attention to what's beneath the statistics...the data used to compile them.

Welcome to the Hoover policy that gave the Great Depression a jump start. Probably imitating Greece is going to prove itself a bad idea. It's the neo-liberal choice.

Gays being allowed to serve in the military is a good thing...they'll have a job. It cost banksters and corporatists nothing. The Arab Spring was a good thing. It allowed a change in our hand-picked dictators....all the better for financial interests of the elite...and we came off looking like the good guy..

Had Bush given himself the authority to execute any U.S. citizen on his own discretion, without trial or charges being brought...Dems would have demanded impeachment. Neo-liberals don't like being hampered by, as Bush called it, "a quaint document"...the U.S. Constitution. They ignore it.

Obama indicated he was going to privatize roads and education in his State of the Union Address. Had a Republican neo-liberal twit proposed such nonsense, Dems would condemn it. When a Dem neo-liberal twit proposes such nonsense, he gets applauded.

Bush's head bankster, Bernanke, was re-appointed to be Obama's head bankster. Bernanke is a neo-liberal twit beloved by banksters world-wide. The same banksters who are driving the populations of one country after another into poverty.

Democratic neo-liberals offer a wee bit of sugar to make the medicine go down. Repugnants suggest you buy your own. The end results are the same.

Now back to the political theater of who can marry who. It's outside the neo-liberal economic framework. Things such as that can be debated....neo-liberal policy can't be and isn't.

Perhaps when there is a merging of economic, resource and environmental collapse, Dems will finally get it. We needn't go through it. Time is short.

I note with interest that Equador is one of the few nations escaping the global downturn. Currently, its economic growth is triple ours. I also note that it's one of the few nations not governed by a neo-liberal twit.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&I...

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Based on the Hitler analogy, this whole line of discussion is so 10 minutes ago - witness:

Bush was 'elected' in 2000, but only by 5 to 4 in the Supreme Court decision that installed him into office, whereas a full recount of all Florida precints would've handily delivered the election to Gore (by any reasonable recoount method, only discounting [more] eligible voters - which ALSO happened - would've allowed a Bush win).

Surprise surprise, he also lost Ohio in 2004 - and was already losing BADLY three by 10 am the morning of election day, until Karl Rove's secret (now deceased) 'online partners' were able to rig vote COUNTING for him, courtesy of Kenneth Black (substantiation below):

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004votefraud_ohio.html

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-mysterious-death-...

It's not WHO you vote for, or even who's running, or even your election turnout with electronic voting - its who gets to count the votes - and with electronic voting, there's absolutely no way to recount, no security in any true or verifiable sense (though the lack of security has been heavily documented), and no messy Chain of Custody issues to upset your vote rigging scheme.

So yeah - we've already been through all this, and we're out the other side of the rabbit hole. Things WILL get better - people have noticed. Steps and measures... steps and measures. Personally, I'm for reclaiming the paper ballot.

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Well, a paper ballot is a better way to keep tabs on which neo-liberal twit actually won an election.

You can vote for a neo-liberal corporatist or a neo-liberal corporatist.

If the Soviets had offered the choice between voting for a communist candidate or a communist candidate, they too could have had a nice little democracy going...an illusion of choice like we have.

Debates over who can marry who would have maintained the appearance of "difference".

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Where has all of this outrage been? Where were the Teabaggers during W's run-up to the illegal invasion of Iraq? The right-wingers were calling the anti-war protesters "unpatriotic" and "soft on terrorism". Where was the right-wing screaming "Bush is a Nazi" when HW was running guns and drugs for Afghanistan through the CIA? Where was the opposition to the military-industrial complex when Carter and Reagan were creating al-Qaeda? Why wasn't anyone upset over the Republican-backed financial deregulations since the 1980s that have led to this mess now?

And now that everyone is raving mad about it, what are any of you going to do? Will you pull your money out of the banks, stop paying taxes, stop buying gasoline, switch your patented synthetic medications to natural home-grown Cannabis, and stop paying altogether into the system that has been exposed for its avarice and corruption? Or will you go the destructive route and wage open war on the 1%, running pissed-off mobs of unemployed Americans down Wall Street, dragging the bankers and moneymongers into the streets at the end of an AR-15?

Each scenario is ridiculously implausible given how much the right-wing actually supports the military-prison-pharma-financial-industrial complex. Revolution requires popular support. Democratic voters are too weak to revolt, and Republican voters are too stupid to identify their true enemies. So what are America's options?

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...furiously looking for the "like' button for JT's comments...

Absolutely: Where the HELL were you people when SCOTUS overthrew democracy in 2000? When the WTC towers (I, II and 7) mysteriously 'fell' on September 11, 2001, despite thoudands of hours of witness documentation and expert testimonoy which runs contrary to the cover story?

Where the hell were you when Ohio was stolen again in 2004? Are we to assume that Wingnuts were "okay with that" just because their favorite fascist/corporatist was handed the election, with America subsequently driven (lured) to the brink of bankruptcy during Bush?

Really. Grow a set.

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Where were people when Obama extended Bush's Third Term? Why did they elect Bush's twin for a another?

Probably Dems should have nominated a progressive at their last convention instead of voting to keep the corporate/financial lacky on the ballot. Obama talks a left wing talk and walks a right wing walk.

Even within the Dem Party, some count....some don't. Progressives watch from the sidelines when they can get a ticket to the show. The Supreme Court doesn't even have to intervene to make sure an acceptable candidate is elected..

Why did Dems boot progressive Dem Kucinich from Congress and replace him with a Dem neo-liberal twit?

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Difference being, Dems and Progressives are not afraid to criticise our own, and we will do so without your condescening, snide 'permission'.

That rarely ever happens in Conservative ranks, in part due to the "herd mentality" of Conservative politics, in part due to the lock-step Talking Points and "echo chamber" effect of Conservative talk shows and radio, in part due to the lock-step Conservative belief system that's best defined as "my way or the highway".

That's 3 strikes. In basesball, you're out.

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And buying into the left/right paradigm is just exactly what the banksters and corporate oligarch (neo-liberal/con myth) that keep the sheeple distracted. Poly is one of the few here that not only see that, he understands its implications. Most, like you and others here, are blinded by their own ideology. Otherwise, how would YOU define it? Or are they just better hypocrits? There are no "talking points" and "echo chamber" effects of moonbat talk and radio shows?

Bill Press?

Alex Bennett?

Stephanie Miller?

Thom Hartmann?

Ed Schultz?

Media Matter?

Left Jab?

The View?

MSNBC?

Maher?

Colbert?

Not to mention moonbat propaganda of primetime TV.

Liberals would like to censor or even dismiss opposing views lest someone discover fault and the hypocrisy of thiers.

So it's more like 3 balls, one more and it's a walk. LOL

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Most, like you and others here, are blinded by their own ideology.

You seem to be the one who is blinded by your own ideology.

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Boohoo. Terrorists are subject to being dispatched before they strike us?! Oh the horrors. The AUMF from Sept 2001 that started the whole War on Terrah by Bush is clear that anyone who is aligned with Al Queda is subject to military action. The Obama memo on the use of drones states that if arrest is not reasonable or practical then the US can act through drone strikes. We've killed three US citizens, who were all in terrorist camps with the program. And only one of them are rightwingers crying over. Why? The other two were absolutely threats to the US themselves.

I think the biggest fear rightwingers have is the gubmint could turn the drones on Klan gatherings.

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When referri to the "Echo Chamber", I'm referring to a phenomenon among the Conservative press - but I'm also referring to a book by that same name.

As such, when the so-called "left" in the US covers a story, one gets many different opinions ABOUT that story, from a center-left point of view.

The Right? Not so much, and this is due to a concerted effort by the Establishment, spanning 40 years, to pull all popular media sources AS FAR RIGHT as can be publicly achieved, short of fomenting an outright Popular Revolution against itself.

Whether I would identify with popular notions of left, right, center, or extremist, well that depends on WHICH QUESTION YOU ASK OF ME. That's because I don't take what I hear in the press as Gospel - to me, it's just information, and it is subject to update, verification, common sense and new information.

Not so with Social Conservatives, whom fall Right to Extreme on virtually any issue one can possibly suggest or even think of - incluidng the generalized psychological sense of "loss", characterized by the public sentiment of "anti-everything": government, social freedom, racial or sexual equality, equal pay, women's rights, taxes, universal medical care, etc.

Difference between myself and Conservatives? My party platform in no way begins to describe how I feel - again, not so with Tea Partiers or Conservatives, who latch onto a rally cry and then scream it from the rooftops, virtually verbatim to the words uttering from their favorite media mouthpiece.

Hence, I use the term "lock-step" because it fits for Conservatives. In fact, perhaps the ONLY policy area in recent memory where we're beginning to see divergence from this "lock-step" Conservative echo chamber effect has happened very recently, and it's in the area of gun violence and the public calls for stricter measures to protect innocent civilians from dangers of ill-trained, ill-concieved "patriots" and would-be mental patients carrying firearms in public.

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You've identified the culprits. You've exposed their misdeeds. In HSBC's case, they've even admitted to their crimes. Your government still wouldn't prosecute them because your government is in on it. They confessed that they broke our laws that were designed to keep everything like this from happening, and they all allowed themselves to walk free. The scam continues. So what now?

Sports analogies? Who is missing the point here?

Forget Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. Forget voting. It is only rich and poor now. Engage in a general strike and cripple the economy that fuels their war machine, or put everyone with the last name of Warburg or Rockefeller into a hole so they can't do any more harm, or shut the hell up about all of this.

Those are your only choices. Do one or the other, but do something besides talk.

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JT - agreed. The corruption is beyond ideology, therefore I refuse to listen to anyone who is NOT talkign about the obvious levels of corruption and compromised ethics at all levels of civil life.

Just pointing fingers at the current party does not count as being "aware", however. And unlike you, unless there is a mass-movement against it, we CANNOT yet 'forget' voting - that's still one of the EASIEST ways for the unchecked and unscrupulous to usurp the last vestiges of any form of Democratic government.

So yes - in the last election? Correct, we got Obama. He's for drones, and he's for executing American citizens without trial. And he's 'pro business'. And he's remained all but silent regarding the God-awful "no child left behind" policy of the Bush Administration, which is fast coming close to fomenting a nationwide teacher's strike (and may become Obama's Waterloo if he doesn't self-correct on the issue).

So then what did we win? Well for one, we're left with a chief politician who at least has SOME sense of what it is to live like a normal person, some sense of empathy, which the Romney's (like most of their elitist friends) quite obviously do not, or have put out of mind a long long time ago.

And the Koch Brothers lost - they lost big. And so did aging gangster Sheldon Adelson. And the idiot-savant Karl Rove lost, even bigger than the others. And most of the Tea Party fanatics were put back on the street, after only 2 years in office, which should send a message to those who remain.

And THAT is something for the history books, my friend, even in a system as currupt as ours. Especially in a system as corrupt as our own is today.

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Well, the Koch Brothers still won. They just have to be content with a slower pace to achieve their objectives. There is no veering from the Koch Bros. roadway....just a reduced speed limit.

Dems understand that too much carnage at one time foments civil discord. Repugnants consider it irrelevent, afterall, the army is training to operate within ciites and the apparatus of the Security State has grown exponentially..

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Answer: Yes

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Yet Thom lays the JFK assassination at the feet of the Mafia, so how serious can he really be asking this question?

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I respectfully disagree - they spent close to 1/2 BILLION $$$ and went home empty handed.

That's losing, and losing big.

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Thom has a much better case than the Warren Commission ever did, so don't try to sidetrack this thread with crapola like that sfu...

The Empire is creaking and groaning, but nobody can say so politically without getting all the ideologues gunning for him. Obama is "managing" the pathology with approved "strength" and "respect" for the power of the Legions. He is doing what is "politically possible" in a "politically impossible" situation. What he has to believe to do this job is hard for us to get, but what he has to do in his role is worth understanding without the demonization. That explains little.

Did the Kochs lose? In the LBJ School of Power, you lose everytime you have to use your power instead of just having people jump because they know you can use it. I think the Kochs became way too public for their own good and used too much obvious clout to have us be afraid of what they have in reserve. It could be close to all the money in the world, but the substance is getting loose from the symbol and it ain't buying what it once could. In other words, these people are historical dead-enders, the walking dead, and what we have to fear is their taking us into literal environmental dead-ends for humanity. It makes Environmental Justice more of an issue for us.

That's losing, but it does not mean we have won. To win, we have to take advantage of these losses and build upon them until the Monsters fall.

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Does anyone else fear this could all go down very badly? Say like a global fascist state sorta like what the Spaniards lived under with Franco? Does the wind seem to be blowing that way? It's awfully hard with these narcissistic monsters at the helm and their fool followers to hope that some good people will come along and end their tyranny. Seems like civilization goes through this from time to time.

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!00 years in 10 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Xxh-sS8Qoco Isn't it odd that most of those 100 years is marked by war and violence?

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Sometimes the battle for resources and markets rises above mere shouting matches, Darline.

Cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles...the monarchies of Europe... battled their own relatives for years over who gets what. Always, of course, under the banner of their own respective flags and calls to patriotism.

Titles change. Motives remain the same. Raising flags and calling on patriots still works.

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Darlin', what was the message of this video for you? You posted it, so I presume there is something here that you want us to understand and appreciate. The problem is that there is a lot to read into this account of events and what is supposed to matter. I did not see anything about civil rights, Martin or Bobby, although the JFK assassination makes the list.

There is a story of the German people from the Kaiser through Hitler to what looks like a rather civilized and decent Germany today. But, there is also this history of wars and their connection to American foreign policy.

That is the story that I find important and the one you allude to about war and violence being so present. I would call it an extended course in war as the FAILURE of politics, not its extension by other means. It is that latter political theory that has become internalized in the thinking of strategists. War is not even a last resort, it is just the extended politics the dominators use at will. The failure of politics as peacemaking is insured by the failure to do any of the politics of peace. Thus, we are left with the mess and tragedy of failed politics and the clean-up and restoration of so much that was needlessly destroyed. To call this shit statecraft is pretty cynical.

The American Empire is founded on the myth of our righteous violence. Like the Old Rome, the new one considers itself the divinely annointed "Force for Good in the World" whose "Strength" brings "Peace." We are "exceptional," after all, and all those "evil ones" and "terrorists" out there want to come harm us for some strange reason. I find this a familiar insanity, as the film points out. It was what the Nazis believed about themselves.

The message I take away is the failure of war. It is never the answer even if it becomes inevitable. After you get the war ended, what then? If you think about that before "choosing war," the politics of peace become far less daunting in comparison. War is stupid. It is a racket, and we ought not be taken to the cleaners by these sociopaths. When you look into any of our wars, there are so many things we could have done other than war and violence. The dragon teeth we have sewn into our own soil and the blood guilt upon us is a way of describing how we get eaten up by this addiction to power and "righteousness." Of course America is fucked up. Look at who we have become in the world. Drunk with militarism and money. Full of ourselves and blind to others. Upset at the creeping color demographics and filled with nostalgia and narcissism, so blame the "Black" guy. Back to why the Panthers upset you so much. And this dark skinned son of a White woman, raised in White culture, but still having to deal with how people saw him. Our first "Black" President.

I find this upset and unacknowledged racism "troubling," to quote all those con Senators about Hagel. "Troubling" is a gloss, of course, something of a weasel word instead of leading to a real dope slap. But seriously, in the context of this film where we get time spread out and a sense of some narrative there, how do we explain the highly irrational and hyperbolic reaction Obama gets from you and others? He did not invent the Empire or its crimes. He did not cause the banks to crash. And, he has not done one radical thing in his entire administration. His great sin is to compromise too much and go too far to appear bipartisan. He does sell out the Progressives even as he tells us to push him to get what we want. How does this upset you so much?

Anyway, I enjoyed the trip through time as a reminder of the Big Picture. You have my take, so give me yours. I hope this time it can be a conversation instead of a fight.

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Overpopulation and the struggle for resources is the issue. Time is running out. It's like the earth is a bag of flour and human beings weevils infesting it. Nature will take care of the infestation. Perhaps the Sun will burp a big one with the earth in the way putting us all out of our misery. ;-)

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Probably having an economic system that requires continual growth in resources and population is a bit counter-productive.

The by-word is always "growth", isn't it? We have to "grow" the GDP...produce more and more stuff out of diminishing resources...and find more and more customers to buy it so we can create jobs.

Shop till you drop. Fill the storage shed. Grow the GDP. Our economic system requires it.

It's like a dog chasing its tail until it drops from exhaustion. The planet itself is getting exhausted.

Probably, at some point, we should look for alternatives.

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We can produce more while increasing resources.

http://www.hempfarm.org/BillionDollarCrop.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xHCkOnn-A

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In case you missed the news, 2 separate private firms are developing space craft and robotic mining systems to begin to exploit asteroids.

Earth First, the rest of the planets later.

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Quote JTaylor:

We can produce more while increasing resources.

http://www.hempfarm.org/BillionDollarCrop.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xHCkOnn-A

If you can produce more rainfall out of maximum atmospheric percipitation available...go for it. You'll be re-writing the laws of physics.

Note from the government film that useful hemp varieties require a rich humous soil with adequate rainfall...similar to food crops. It's legally grown in Spain as a fiber crop...under irrigated/fertilized conditions.

Probably replacing corn with hemp in the U.S. isn't a good idea. It's our major food crop found in a variety of foods. Arable land is shrinking due to global warming.

I suppose if you're going to starve to death, it may be better to do it stoned. You won't give a hoot.

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We won't starve to death. Food prices and statistics on global hunger will go down. Hemp can be grown in rotation with corn, and hempseed is far more nutritious than corn, grows on more soil conditions than corn, grows in more climates than corn, is cheaper than corn, more energy efficient than corn, and 99% of the "Marijuana" seized and destroyed each year by the DEA is hemp.

http://hempbasics.com/shop/hemp-seed-nutrition

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr100901.html

http://norml.org/news/2004/09/02/99-percent-of-all-marijuana-plants-eradicated-in-us-is-feral-hemp-federal-data-reveals

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You do realize the U.S. corn belt is projected to be the U.S. Dust Belt within 10-15 years don't you? Add to that the loss of California's Central Valley, and U.S. food production will be cut in half. Global warming is changing the ball game.

Rotating corn with legumes such as soy beans is a sound, soil-building agricultural practice. Rotating corn with hemp isn't. It's a soil depletion practice.

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My limited understanding on hemp growing is that plants grow well in hot climates, and can go for long periods without rain.
My understanding of corn and cotton is not limited, both require rain at the right time, and no rain at the end of the growing season. Both require huge inputs of industrial nitrogen, and many specialized large farm equipment.
Hemp can be grown by any motivated 19 yr old, and harvested by hand.

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The US cornbelt is being turned into a dustbelt because of the last 100 years of global deforestation and petrochemical pollution for the sake of consolidated wealth. Cannabis Sativa can provide the majority of modern society's goods while eliminating (and reversing) further environmental degradation.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48674590/Marijuana_The_DroughtTolerant_Plant

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/catalog/html/sb/sb681/

http://sundial.csun.edu/2011/05/fibers-related-to-marijuana-still-illegal-to-grow-in-the-u-s/

http://usindustrialhemp.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/doing-study-on-coal-hemp-calls-on-changes-in-fed-law/

http://www.reuseit.com/learn-more/materials/hemp-natures-super-fiber

http://www.hemp-technologies.com/page33/page33.html

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Legacy of Secrecy is interesting but leads you to think the mafia were responsible for the 1963 coup d'etat. It may take months to read, and is a good example of Thom's bait and switch style. He'll fire you up with the hot button, then direct you elsewhere.

A much better book is James Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable, Why He DIed and Why It Matters. According to John Perkins, author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman, it is the most important book written about a US President and should be required reading for high school students.

While you're stretching out, read this quick piece: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/29-8

Thom, what do you think of Joan Mellen's "Our Man in Haiti"? De Mohrenschildt didn't get much ink in Legacy of Secrecy. There was a time when the MIC didn't rule the world. It wasn't the mafia that tipped the balance.

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To Polycarp2, I really like your comment that "raising flags and calling on patriots still works". A Thom likes to say, "Tag, you're it."

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I equate the earth as like a giant Easter Island. Maybe the last thing standing will be a giant moai of obama buillt and erected by his worshippers.

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Nah. The last things standing will be the New York Stock Exchange and Wall St. Banks. They'll be defended to the last.

As to hemp: Results indicate that high yield of hemp may require high total nutrient levels (field plus fertilizer nutrients) similar to a high yielding wheat crop.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

In nations where hemp ;is legally grown, there are high fertilizer/water inputs for successful commercial operations. The "smoking" varities have different requirements than the industrial use varities.

Once-a-year harvesting makes it impractical for production of paper and other products. Storage costs for year-round industrial applications come into play.

A good thing by:.... replacing corn/soy with hemp oils...junk foods(like potato chips) that are fried or rely on oils of any sort would disappear. Hemp oils quickly go rancid.

Fried pork chops would go into the trash bin of history right along with McDonald's fries and bread.

If you want to smoke the stuff, grow your own. You should probably leave corn/soy fields off limits.

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Quote darlinedarline1@aol.com:

I equate the earth as like a giant Easter Island. Maybe the last thing standing will be a giant moai of obama buillt and erected by his worshippers.

No, we've run out of room. The monuments and statues and libraries erected in the name of the great chief Reagan have taken up all the free space.

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Quote polycarp2:As to hemp: Results indicate that high yield of hemp may require high total nutrient levels (field plus fertilizer nutrients) similar to a high yielding wheat crop.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

Well, who can argue with Wikipedia?

http://www.votehemp.com/PDF/Why_Industrial_Hemp.pdf

http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Hemp_Facts.html

http://original-ssc.com/Cannabis-Marijuana/2011/09/hemp-in-bio-plastics/

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/custom/629104/2

http://norml.org/news/2004/09/02/99-percent-of-all-marijuana-plants-eradicated-in-us-is-feral-hemp-federal-data-reveals

Quote polycarp2:If you want to smoke the stuff, grow your own. You should probably leave corn/soy fields off limits.

99% of the soy grown in the US comes from Monsanto's genetically-patented seeds. If we want to stay at the mercy of massively corrupt corporations to provide our food, we should stick to corn and soy. It won't do us much good when pollution and the Greenhouse Effect ruin the fields. As we continue down this self-destructive path of squandering finite resources for corporate profit, the environmental damage will ultimately leave corn fields barren, and the only useful crop left growing will be Cannabis. Hempseed as a basic world food will not hinder global food production. Cannabis will increase food production, limit distribution costs, lower overall pollution, and clean the environment.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/160.html

"American farmers are promised a new cash crop with an annual value of several hundred million dollars, all because a machine was invented which solves a problem more than 6,000 years old." - Popular Mechanics, Feb 1938

http://www.hempfarm.org/BillionDollarCrop.html

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"He who has the gold makes the rules..."

If those with the gold don't rule directly as in a plutocracy, they will rule indirectly by bribing those who are "ruling"...

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