HI Thom

I am a retired Canadian. I am not a shill for an American corporation, and would be happy to prove it under any criteria you chose. I am a rampant progressive liberal and always have been, but I do not like unions. I consider them oligarchies and cults. I don't understand how you can say unions are democracy if everyone has to join them! If you vote in a democracy, and the party you vote for doesn't win, you don't have to leave the country or join the winning party. Yet you think it is a democracy if everyone in a company has to join a union whether or not they want to, with the choice being to leave. I think union presidents are generally making money off union dues. I have since childhood seen unions strike, with violence done by them to those who cross picket lines, even nurses on strike beating up doctors trying to get to their patients.

There are lots of reasons to not join a union. Some people don't like to be part of the crowd, some people may not agree with union politics. Should they also not be able to work? Or heaven forbid call your show without you calling them a shill for corporations.? If health care is the main things union provide, then the problem is that health care should not be tied to your employment. It should have nothing to do with whether or not you are in a union.

Many times during my education and my child's, I have encountered unmotivated, unpleasant unqualified teachers. These teachers will never be fired, and the worst that happens to the most abusive of them is that they are offered counselling. Unions protect their workers at the expense of patients and children.

I know your father, who quit university to support his children and was very loyal to his union, must have talked lot to you about how great unions are from the time you were a baby, and you will hear no wrong about them, but you are getting pretty extreme to anyone who may sincerely disagree with you and you won't let them talk, The gentleman today who called and gave you the union local number etc seemed sincere, yet you insisted he was a fake because he said his union leader was corrupt.

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THISAA's picture
THISAA 2 years 33 weeks ago
#1

When you are about to be throttled with the facts the correct progressive procedure is:

talk over, talk louder, or dump the caller.

bamboo's picture
bamboo 2 years 33 weeks ago
#2

Did you know that labor unions made the following 36 things possible?

  1. Weekends without work
  2. All breaks at work, including your lunch breaks
  3. Paid vacation
  4. Family & Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
  5. Sick leave
  6. Social Security
  7. Minimum wage
  8. Civil Rights Act/Title VII - prohibits employer discrimination
  9. 8-hour work day
  10. Overtime pay
  11. Child labor laws
  12. Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
  13. 40-hour work week
  14. Workers’ compensation (workers’ comp)
  15. Unemployment insurance
  16. Pensions
  17. Workplace safety standards and regulations
  18. Employer health care insurance
  19. Collective bargaining rights for employees
  20. Wrongful termination laws
  21. Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA)
  22. Whistleblower protection laws
  23. Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA) - prohibits employers from using a lie detector test on an employee
  24. Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
  25. Compensation increases and evaluations (i.e. raises)
  26. Sexual harassment laws
  27. Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
  28. Holiday pay
  29. Employer dental, life, and vision insurance
  30. Privacy rights
  31. Pregnancy and parental leave
  32. Military leave
  33. The right to strike
  34. Public education for children
  35. Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 - requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work
  36. Laws ending sweatshops in the United States

http://www.unionplus.org/about/labor-unions/36-reasons-thank-union

Alberto Ceras 2 years 33 weeks ago
#3

Thank you, Bamboo. Of course, Lunarelle, there have been corrupt union leaders. There's corruption everywhere. You need look no further than the U.S. Congress. It's the job of the union members to eliminate the corruption just as it is the job of the voting public to boot the corrupt congress members. You don't do away with the institutions, you control them.

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Laborisgood 2 years 33 weeks ago
#4

Lunarelle:

You are the most adamant anti-union "rampant progressive liberal" I have ever come across. Good on you for your dissension (assuming you are not bearing false witness).

Unions are democratic institutions. They serve a useful purpose of representing their members collectively in bargaining for wages, benefits and working conditions. Members are allowed to vote individually for their leadership who collectively bargain for the members with the employers. Through this process, the workers have a stronger unified voice with which they they typically get a better deal that they would get when the employer has the ability to play one employee off the other to get unfair advantage.

Non-union employers don't always resort to these unfair labor tactics, but when there is a wholesale assault on collective bargaining rights by the gov't the end result is decreased wages and benefits for the labor force. When non-union businesses have to compete with union businesses, the end result is not a mass exodus of laborers flocking to the non-union businesses. In fact, in a fair competition of union and non-union businesses, the end result is stability where the non-union shops will still pay similar wages but perhaps save money on the benefits that some laborers are able to go without due to a spouse having available benefits.

As far as corruption is concerned, unions are no different than any other group of people who band together and have a fair amount of money being handled. Corporations are not exempt from corruption. In fact, due to the democratic structure of a union, the ability to rectify corruption can be addressed more easily than it can in a corporate structure. The amount of compensation for union leaders is part of the democratic process unlike compensation for corporate management. Of course, greed and corruption may crop up in any group, but at least those at the bottom of the ladder have some say in the matter when they are part of a democratic process.

Collective bargaining rights are one of the few pure democratic mechanisms we have at our disposal to stand up against corporate dominance. Anyone so ideologically opposed to unions, can pursue work in non-union workplaces. This same person could, within a union workplace, try to gather supporters who feel the same and disband the union. Of course that would not likely work out too well because most union members realize that they are not likely to gain anything by disbanding the union.

People who work wage labor, should have the ability to collectively bargain if their co-workers democratically choose so. This right should not be infringed upon in a free society such as ours in America. There should not be an unfair advantage given to businesses to keep employees from forming a union. Think of free access to labor unions as part of the "Free Market". Labor is a critical component of any business and it should be allowed the same freedoms that so many Free Marketeers want to give to all of the other components of business.

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