Don't worry, it is only the middle class that is affected. I guess we better start reading it to find out what's in it.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmIII4FgDvIW-bij_fdHF4v0Whbw?docId=48328c71af0241c39aef95fda77612f7

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whataparty 2 years 4 weeks ago
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No matter how we pay for (or don't pay for) healthcare, it still costs the same. In other words: The same amount of people will get sick and injured the same amount with or without Insurance, Obamacare, Charity, or Cash. Health Insurance is a way that healthcare providers get paid... it's how they receive the money that is allocated for healthcare.

The "mandate" requires individual responsilbilty; that folks pay for the care they will receive. It should be a conservative's dream, and the beginning of a fair solution for liberals also.

The amount of the penalties is not the issue.

Discussing the cost of Health Insurance and discussing that some folks' Health Insurance price might rise or they might pay a penalty, is like arguing about the price of the stamp on your Cable TV payment envelope when actually we're trying to deal with the high cost of cable TV.

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JoyceW 2 years 4 weeks ago
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I am guessing it will be a lot more than 6 million people when its all said and done and I hope those who have to pay that extra amount remember what they faced when Obama was going in his second term. Remember Romney's plan was a State program and Obama's is a Federal program. And just think most of those who are getting waivers are Democractic donors to gave to Obama's First and second term.

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doh1304 2 years 4 weeks ago
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Quote whataparty: "the "mandate" requires personal responsibility" and: "The amount of the penalties is not the issue"

Bull.

The "mandate" circumvents personal responsibility by transforming that responsibility into oppressive power. Insurance companies become unavoidable parasites. Their "overhead" is 25% of all spending (as compared to 3% for Medicare) and in addition 1/3rd of all doctor's overhead is spent on bookkeeping and legal costs or losses from nonpayment by insurance companies. 1/3rd of 75% is 25%, plus 25% equals 1/2 of all health care costs in the US are literally insurance company waste. Confirm this by comparing our costs to the 36 nations with some form of single payer - the highest is Canada, at 55% of the US costs. That is hardly comparable to a postage stamp.

JoyceW: Since businesses will save money by dropping company insurance, and since the tax credits will be nowhere near the additional insurance costs I suspect you're right that more than 6 million people will pay the penalty - though that assessment applies in Massachusetts, and they buy the insurance anyway. (note that MA has raised the sales tax 20%, taken a federal bailout, been sued for nonpayment by hospitals, and threatened to lay off government workers because of the "unexpectedly high costs" of Romneycare.) However, I don't know what you mean by "most of those who are getting waivers". As far as I know the only waiver from Obamacare that has been applied for is by Vermont, which is instituting single payer instead.

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