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How many times now have these message boards changed? 3, 4 times? I've been here for them all and seen how topics/username disappear.

Frankly, I've been here since 2003 (that's 7 years...) I've invested a lot of time posting messages here and I think it's a commitment on my/our part to give the Thom Hartmann site active and meaningful content. We're a community and as a member of that community, it feels somewhat disconnecting to have these message boards dumped the way they have been.

After the last changeover, I pretty much dropped out of the boards because it was such a loss to have to begin with a new user and new content. And while I occasionally appear, I don't have the same enthusiasm to start ALL my conversations over again.Yet again...it's even worse because there doesn't appear to be an attempt to pull old messages into the new message boards. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Can we go back to the last set and refer to them or are they now gone? What about the version before that?

I guess, if you want to kill this "community" of people, you're doing it right. I just thought we had something worth keeping.

I'm not sure if I'm going to bail but it sure seems like that's the only option. I'd rather spend my time on a board that's going to be there. Perhaps i need to go with something more mainstream.

Anyways, it would be nice if you brought back the old messages but I don't expect it will be the same. The last iteration didn't prove to be all that successful.

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There is a place to click on for the old message board, but when I clicked on it, nothing happened.

I agree with you artjunky, there a few discussions that I would like the opportunity to continue (namely the one you started about the military being socialist).

Perhaps Sue (or Nigel) could just copy over the last 10 topics from each category, as those would be the discussions we were focused on most recently.

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I guess I was right... This is going to take some getting used to!

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I'm sorry we've been through so many changes. It has been very frustrating (and expensive!) for Thom too. The board at www.thomhartmann.org was fine but could not be integrated with all the other features that Thom wanted to offer people. We went to considerable effort and expense to try and copy all the messages across from there to the new site, but it did not work very well. We tried moving to a new integrated site/provider to get over the problems with that site, but the new one had problems too, and we had to replace the board there to get over problems that members reported, and revert to our previous chat software. So, it was decided to move yet again.


The advantage of this site is that it is highly modular and open source, so we will be able make continuous improvements to it and customise it the way we want without having to move again. We looked seriously at migrating the contents of the old board across, but unfortunately it turned out that the two message boards were not compatible enough.


The old message board has been archived so that you can still read the messages. My apologies that we are having teething problems with it. Hopefully we will get these fixed soon.


I believe that we are now in a much better position to grow without further dislocation, and I hope that everybody will find it worthwhile sticking with us.

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Why am I able to post on the old board which is now registered as tompigeon.com?

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Sawdust, because I couldn't get on it last night to turn posting off!


One of us will switch it off fairly soon, probably not until after today's show.

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One good thing about this new software is that I don't have to login twice. My login sticks if I go from the message board to the main page to comment on a blog. That used to irritae me and the login was clunky on the old blog.

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We are enjoying a free messageboard which is paid for by the owner(s) so they have a right to do anything they want in regards to the message board.

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A couple comments, maybe "Save" should be "Post"? On the old board "Save" meant that it was saved "somewhere" as a draft. Where I don't know and maybe that was broken. Also though links are supposed to be automatic they appear not to be at the moment. Also the HTML tags seem to be broken too.

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I guess my co dependency is appearing; i think we just need to be patient. i feel for Sue & Co. but when you get around to it, please give us another label other than "user". :D

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But this message board is a lot slower.

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We did work at trying to bring across the message base from the old message board forum, but it proved an impossible task.

The main reason, was that the database system we has was trying to tie too many different pieces of software together and we ended up with a mess.

The new site which launched yesterday puts eveything in one place, under a single login which (finally) sticks.

Nothing is ever going to fit everyone's needs, but going forware, we can develop the site as a whole in one place. And, as Sue says, this revamp has been very expensive indeed and was started four months ago before being ready to go.

-Nigel-
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We love you and thank you for your hard work.

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Other than not being able to sign in for most of the day, I appreciate the effort required to get the new incarnation up and going. Good job.

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Never posted on a board before. I guess I picked the right day to sing up.

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Welcome to the new board, GREENLEIF :)

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Somehow I'm not seeing posts by Polycarp2---easily the sites best poster IMO.....Did we lose him due to the transition......

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Quote Mr_Dean:We are enjoying a free messageboard which is paid for by the owner(s) so they have a right to do anything they want in regards to the message board. [emphasis added]

Is that because they own it, or because they give it to you for free?

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I really hope we haven't lost him. It's only been a day and a half since he last posted, on the old board. Real life could easily have intervened for that short a time.

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Quote BDC:

Somehow I'm not seeing posts by Polycarp2---easily the sites best poster IMO.....

Ditto

Not to worry though, he often is AWOL for a couple of days at a time.

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Hey Nigel, can you tweek the message board page template to span the whole window? That way there will less scrolling. One other quick suggestion. The logon screen asks for email and password. I have a user name that is NOT an email address. That threw me for a while and kept me from loggin in.

Otherwise, nice work. Thanks

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The narrow format is iPhone friendly, but I did have to hit the "disable rich-text" button to get the phone to pull up the keyboard. Not sure why...

Also no big deal but I agree with someone above that "save" is confusing the first time. Maybe "submit?".

Thanks to the webmaster for the hard work and being very responsive to issues as they've arisen.

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Sue, you should know how I feel about this "topic." We went through this the last time.

After 7 years of using these message boards, as a HISTORIC document that captured what was going on, politiclally, during the darkest days of King George's reign, it just seems to absurd that we are even talking about this. All of us, together, I think, created an important historic document.

Like Meljomur said, it would be nice to at least be able to get back to the latest of the old topics. I know they have been made available but please fix them so that they are MORE available. It also looks like the CSS on http://tompigeon.com/forums is messed up.

All this is just a little bit too much and it's especially bothersome since I was actually just starting to get back into this message board again; I really do tire of re-inventing my presense here...

I understand that there are good reasons and I know the people that make these desicions do care about these message boards. I also understand what happens in Web Development and working with data because I am a Web Designer/Developer myself. All I can say is that I hope they continue to try to do the right thing and make this content available. Perhaps you can give us the chance to download the database. Of course private content should be removed. I would be glad to take that old database/s off your hands.

That said, these Right Wingers have said some crazy $hit over the years and I DO go back to look at the what they have said and it seems as though the data is not being "preserved."

Well, except for what I personally saved, that data seems to be somewhat placed where it will soon be lost.

Please, preserve these message boards and even if the data is just kept in "storage," I would feel better about this. These messages REALLY DO MEAN SOMETHING and in 10, 20, 50, 100... years from now, some person will probably find these topics even more interesting. Please bring the data back under the wing of Thomhartman.com...Same with the second to last iteration...

If you have direct access to the database, you have data that can be used.

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Hi artjunky

We really worked hard at trying to bring across the old message board, but it proved one step too far with the technology.

It isn't possible just to bring across bits of it either. It is all to do with mixed up databases. The old site had separate elements such as flat web pages, the WordPress blog, the KickAps community, the PHPbb message board and Addonchat as the chat room. These were supposed to all share the same database and to some extent, they did. However, it was possible to change individual members settings in one, which didn't carry to the others, making integration impossible. Believ eme, we did try to make that work.

When Thom and I launched his first website back in the dark ages of the internet, facilities were limited. The site grew by adding on odd bits like the above, becasue fully integtated systems didn't exist. As they developed, they were very expensive indeed (think six to seven figures) and beyind our pocket.

Today, the new site has cost a significant amount of money and everything is integrated into a single spot ince more.

That said, we intend to archive the old message board, by switching off the ability to post messages, but leaving it there as read-only. Assuming we can make the old technology do that!

-Nigel-
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Hi PeeWee

The narrow is to help mobile devices to some extent, with the developers trying to future proof the site as much as possible.

We went for the email plus password option for logon, as that has become more of an industry standard. It is possible to change email addresses, which couldn't be done before. Also, it prevents the issue of having more than one user ID on a single email, which the old site did - and that really screwed up the database.

Onward and upward!

-Nigel-
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Taking for granted that I am a virtual computer Luddite, is it possible to view ones comments as it was prior to the change over?

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Sue -Norske------I'm glad to here that Poly hasn't been away long..I don't come here to debate with professional righties who are never gonna change their mind...I'm more interested in furthering my own knowledge and spreading the cause of liberalism to those with an open mind...

I just can't stand coming here and seeing posts by righties out numbering those of liberals...Though it seems from my recent visits that the ratio may be improving..... I always look forward to th insightful posts of Poly..

I'll leave it to Thom to debate proffesional republicans..

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FYI folks, I've moved this thread from Thom's Show, into the Open Lounge/Feedback area.

Oh the power!!

-Nigel-
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Dear Nigel,

I cannot post links on this board with a title. Every effort made on my part has been a mess.

Also, I can't use the cute little emoticon faces, which is a shame.

Is there something else I should be doing?

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Try typing the title, selecting it with your mouse, then a link button should appear (if you have not selected anything, it is greyed out). If you click on the link button you can put in the URL.

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Quote SueN:

Try typing the title, selecting it with your mouse, then a link button should appear (if you have not selected anything, it is greyed out). If you click on the link button you can put in the URL.

mel, I'm guessing when you asked me on another thread yesterday or the day before, you didn't read my response.

When that "Insert/edit link" box comes up, paste the desired url in the "Link URL" box. Ignore everything else. Click "Insert" in the bottom left corner. The url will be embedded in the selected text if you do it right.

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Rahm Kills Siegelman Investigation

Boss Rahm decides who is a worthy Democrat

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

(WMR) -- WMR has learned from sources close to ousted White House chief counsel Greg Craig that it was not President Obama’s top legal adviser who balked at ordering the Justice Department to review the politically-motivated criminal cases brought by the Bush administration against three top Democrats in the South, but it was White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel who made the decision to nix any White House backing for new trials for the southern Democratic officials involved -- former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, former Georgia state Senate leader Charles Walker, and Mississippi attorney Paul Minor.

Walker and Minor are currently incarcerated in federal prisons while Siegelman was freed from prison pending an appeal of his conviction in a trial headed by a corrupt Bush-appointed federal judge and former Republican operative, Mark Fuller.

Craig announced his resignation as chief counsel last November. Although press reports indicated that Craig was forced out by Emanuel over Craig’s determination to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, prison and to release Bush administration Justice Department memos on harsh interrogation techniques, the new information suggests that Craig and Emanuel also differed over Bush-era Justice Department prosecutions of Siegelman, Walker, and Minor, with Craig favoring a Justice Department review of the cases and possible new trials.

The involvement of Emanuel in blocking Justice Department review of the cases against Siegelman, Walker, and Minor is the first evidence that ties Obama’s chief of staff to the continuation of the political prosecutions of a number of Democrats that was brought about largely by President Bush’s top political adviser Karl Rove.


http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5718.shtml

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Regarding the new message board, it looks as if we cannot find all posts by a specific user. For example, if I click on "SueN", there is a list of her "Recent Forum Posts" - but it is only the posts for conversations that she has started, not her entire list of posts.

Hopefully we can incorporate that option like we had on the previous board.

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In addition to the situation that LocalIMC noted, I'm also getting intermittent "access denied" responses when I click on certain users. For instance, when I click on sawdust or DugFromJamul's ids, I get this response. I can get to some other ids, so it seems to be an intermittent problem.

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Also, it looks as if we cannot perform a search on the message boards, in the situation that we'd like to search a particular word or subject.

I hope this option gets incorporated intto this new board as well.

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You can search using the main search box and it will bring up results from forum messages.

Try clipping a few words from this thread and add quote marks around it ( eg "here are some words" )

The search system will find them on the board.

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Testing emoticons

:) :-) :p :/ ;) ;-)

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