"Walmart vs. the Morons": Help me rebut this tea party-esque email!

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(long-time listener and devotee, first time poster)

Friends, I received an email blast this morning that has all the typical arrogant and ultimately incoherent bluster based on ignorance so common from low-information tea party types, and I need your help exposing who the true "morons" are. I know the claims made about Social Security, Medicare, the Postal Service, etc. are specious, misleading, and downright lies; however, I don't have the many stats and figures that we hear daily on Thom's show at my fingertips to mount an effective rebuttal.

(An aside to Thom/Louise/Susan/whomever: I would love to see a "Water Cooler Talking Points" page on the TH website that would organize the material that Thom & Bernie et al dispense so fluently, so that we mere mortals are better armed for the "water-cooler wars".)

Please read the missive below and respond with your thoughts, and many thanks in advance.

Wal-Mart vs. The Morons
1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart
every hour of every day.
2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) thanTarget sells all year.

4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer,and most speak English.

6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in thehistory of the world.

7. Wal-Mart now sells more food thanKroger and Safeway combined, and keepin mind they did this in only fifteen years.

8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than anyother store in the world.

10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers;this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores.(Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteenmiles of a Wal-Mart.

You may think that I am complaining,but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.

This should be read and understood by all Americans-Democrats, Republicans,EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 votingmembers of the Legislature,

It is now official-you are ALL corrupt morons:

A. The U.S. . Postal Service was establishedin 1775. You have had 234 years to get it rightand it is broke.

B. Social Security was established in 1935.You have had 74 years to get it rightand it is broke.

C. Fannie Mae was established in 1938.You have had 71 years to get it rightand it is broke.
D. War on Poverty started in 1964.You have had 45 years to get it right;$1 trillion of our money is confiscatedeach year and transferred to "the poor"and they only want more.
E. Medicare and Medicaid were establishedin 1965. You have had 44 years to get it rightand they are broke.
F. Freddie Mac was established in 1970.You have had 39 years to get it rightand it is broke.
G. The Department of Energy was created in1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.It has ballooned to 16,000 employees witha budget of $24 billion a year and weimport more oil than ever before.You had 32 years to get it rightand it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every"government service" you have shoveddown our throats while overspending our tax dollars.

Folks, if we keep this circulating. Maybe it will end up in the e-mails of some of our"duly elected" (they never read anything) and their staff will clue them in on how Americans feel.

McAfeetr's picture
Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm


For example, The "War on Poverty" was called off during the Vietnam War and became the War on the Poor (benign neglect) under Reagan. The rest of these claims are equally empty of truth.

The Big Picture is that "the Reagan Revolution" and the Bush Crime Family did not run any of the Federal Programs the way we think they ought to be run. Wrecking government was their way of showing that "government is the problem," but we say that the people, like Brownie at FEMA, were the problem; and low taxes on the wealthy and corporations mean that they would not pay for democracy even while they wasted cash on empire and corporate give-aways. If you don't like what you have, stop voting for the guys who did it and try democracy.

Social Security is not broke, and the way to fix Medicare is to let us buy group purchase drugs and stop the privateer ripoffs.

And so forth.

DRC's picture
Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm

Thanks, this is a good start.

McAfeetr's picture
Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm

There's an implicate false dichotomy in the letter… government vs the People. But we ARE the government! In the list of government "failure" it's generally the GOP that is trying to sabotage those programs... not some nebulous entity called "government". The counter argument would seem to be the obvious one: if you want government to work, don't put in charge of government those who want to either sabotage it or exploit it for their cronies..

Pierpont's picture
Feb. 29, 2012 2:19 pm

The "success" of Walmart is the demise of the average American consumer, ironically. The same fascist policies, local and national, that allows the Wal-martians to prosper, are what is killing the middle class who then relies more and more on the cheap Chinese crap they sell. Most Americans, like the author of the e-mail, are too stupid to realize that when everything they buy says "made in 'fill in the Asian nation'" on the label, their money is not going to employ Americans. All they know is that they just got a really terrific deal on something that will be broken in two uses.

The idea that America should be run like Walmart is hilarious because that is the reality already. We have embraced the race to the bottom and the average American is paying the price. America should be run like a country full of people who deserve to be served by their representative governement.

As for the second half of the e-mail, it's more of the same idiocy and self loathing that we always hear from conservatives. Namely, that the poor are dragging us all down. You see the conservative movement is always trying to find a way to turn reality on its head, to convince us that reality is not real. We both see a mass of poor people but conservatives see them as the source of our national problems and liberals see them as a symptom of it. When women demand equality, conservatives bemoan the shrill complaint rather than acknowledge the crimes they complain of. When black people march in the street, the conservatives see people who aren't happy enough to be free of the bonds of slavery...ingrates.

No statistic is going to resolve the intellectual and spiritual short-comings of the conservative movement. We all have the same data, there is just a different motivation. Ours is human and humane. Theirs is selfish and cruel. Statistically speaking, they are douche bags.

D_NATURED's picture
Oct. 20, 2010 8:47 pm

Quote Pierpont:There's an implicate false dichotomy in the letter… government vs the People. But we ARE the government! In the list of government "failure" it's generally the GOP that is trying to sabotage those programs... not some nebulous entity called "government". The counter argument would seem to be the obvious one: if you want government to work, don't put in charge of government those who want to either sabotage it or exploit it for their cronies..

There's another core defect in the letter's assumptions that reveals the blindspot the Right has when it comes to the market. Companies can be inefficient, they can fail by the thousands. So what if 5 BILLION was pissed away on the Iridum sattelite system and the company was soon liquidated. True Believers redefine away such market's failures and use it as proof of the WISDOM of market forces. It's akin to a religious belief. In contrast, government failures aren't blamed on the Party in control or whether the ideas are left or right, but on the nature of government itself. In their minds government failures are remembered forever and the Right never lets us forget them.

Pierpont's picture
Feb. 29, 2012 2:19 pm

If you want a serious education instead of talking points, there is the whole Polanyi discussion on Ron Paul and RT where "free market" economics is exposed as intellectual sophistry with no historical basis in fact. The lies depend upon buying into the idea that "liberalism" brought us the Neoconservative regime which includes Clinton and has never had a serious challenge since Vietnam.

"Lower taxes" and "deregulation" have not brought us anything good. Nor have the wars of Empire. Neither are the path to a good future. There are much deeper issues to address as well, but to get out of the Watercooler zone and do more than defeat talking points you probably ought to stick with these.

Make them talk about democracy and how to have it. You might agree on the corruption of money and the bad role of the banksters. You are dealing with an ideology and a narrative, not with "issues." Attack the narrative and don't get lost in the brush.

DRC's picture
Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm

The article Wal-Mart vs. the Morons evidently is for morons. Evidently if it is is a push for more and bigger WalMarts in our future then let’s look at some of the consequences that the WalMart take over has and is causing;

First where do most of the “junk” that WalMart sells come from? Yes, you guessed it, China. So if we want to support non-made in America¾then keep supporting and buying from WalMart and supporting the China rich entrepreneurs who exploit their poor and not the American low/moderate income businesses.

Second, no mention is made of the countless small stores that WalMart has put out of business all around America…and yes, local jobs lost. No longer can a small grocery store, pharmacy, food store, beverage store exist, where you know the owners and workers survive (those stores that many of us knew and shopped in when we were young). So what do we get, not stores that are in your neighborhood that you can walk to¾but the huge non-human scale parking lots where you must drive to and mingle with the impersonal crowds all “looking for a bargain.”

2. It takes little thought and less understanding of the dynamics of public vs. private goods to attempt to mix “a slash the price at whatever human cost” international conglomerate chain of stores¾WalMart¾with public goods whose bottom line is basically to provide service not goods. Surely, there is much waste and abuse in the public goods services which need to be addressed, but to say all are broke is mistaken and an oversimplification…just as unions in this country were a great boon to many after WW II. but grew too large and influential and took over good management decisions with excessive wage structures making us uncompetitive with competition, especially in the automotive fields with Japan, as is our postal service. Private competition is good and needed and perhaps the U.S. Postal Service will make necessary corrections or get out of the business entirely. But Social Security is not broke. It is robbed each year by our government to pay down other costs of running the government. It needs tweaks¾raise the overall retirement age, and adjust the basis for calculating the yearly Social Security's general benefit increases currently based on increases in the cost of living, as measured by the Consumer Price Index, or Cost-Of-Living Adjustments (COLAs). This same logic goes for many other programs¾some can be fixed by tweaking¾other perhaps cannot be and unless major adjustments are made, should be changed or eliminated.

3. And now we come to perhaps the least understood, easily misinterpreted, and unfortunately too often willfully misrepresented by politicians hoping to get a quick hit. Now let’s look at the countries mentioned and what US aid is supporting:

Chile: $1.08 billion State and USAID: Since the end of the military dictatorship in 1990, Chile has maintained a stable democracy with strong institutions, a commitment to a market-based economy, and a focus on social justice. U.S. assistance will target crimes that threaten Chile, the region, and the United States. It will support Chile’s efforts to further modernize its military, enhance its military’s capacity to participate in regional security and peacekeeping operations, increase interoperability with U.S. forces, and strengthen Chile’s demining capabilities. U.S. assistance will also support efforts to build Chile’s capacity to broaden its peacekeeping and coalition operations, as well as help expand joint efforts between the United States and host nation law enforcement agencies to combat transnational crimes, and to continue training and exchange visits between the two nations. (Source: Congressional Budget Justification FY 2013)

TURKEY Posted on January 17, 2012

The US Dept of state reported Dec 2011 that as part of the cooperative effort to further Turkish economic and military self-reliance, the United States has loaned and granted Turkey more than $7 billion in economic aid and more than $14 billion in military assistance over several years

Haiti $339 million. State and USAID: Two years after a massive earthquake struck its capital in January 2010, Haiti is making strides to recover from one of the largest urban catastrophes in modern history. The earthquake, followed by a cholera epidemic, severely weakened Haiti’s economic, social, and political institutions, hindering the government’s ability to provide security and public services. In May 2011, after a protracted, contested presidential election, Haiti saw the first democratic transition of power from a democratically elected leader to an elected member of the opposition.

AS one can see, most of these monies¾with the exception of Haiti’s humanitarian assistance¾goes for defense and the military…and of course no mention is made to the very costly wars and continued monies being poured yearly into Afghanistan $2.5 billion, Iraq $2.3 billion and yes Israel $3.1 billion, most of which goes to defense and military support, and the list goes on. But the article does not even mention our military budget. Of our overall budget for Fiscal year 2013, Federal spending was budgeted at $3.803 trillion of which the military discretionary program has budgeted over 25% with foreign aid (USAID) of less than 1%. Now you tell me where big savings, besides the mandatory big ticket items of Social Security, Medicare and Military Retirement programs which do take up about 60% of the program, can be made.

peterwa's picture
Aug. 18, 2012 12:52 pm

The original post is from a troll pretending to be a TH fan.

It's a way to disseminate garbage and encourage discussion over the garbage.

Monkeywrenching the left is big business.

anonymous green
Jan. 5, 2012 11:47 am

Uh, some questions...

1- Over the same time frame that Social Security and Medicare and the gubmint fucked everything up, Walmart grew so big and strong, but how many of Walmarts employees are paid decent wages that can support a middle class family?

2- How much does Walmart suck from the gubmint teat for Medicaid for their workers who cannot afford healthcare?

3- How much money each month do Walmart employees get in foodstamps?

4- What is the median wage Walmart employees receive?

Phaedrus76's picture
Sep. 14, 2010 8:21 pm
Quote anonymous green:

Monkeywrenching the left is big business.

No Monkeywrench needed. A tweezers will suffice.

Redwing's picture
Jun. 21, 2012 5:12 am

Try to get all the splinter groups with your little tweezles, fool.

anonymous green
Jan. 5, 2012 11:47 am

I'm not sure if this is from a troll too stupid to know they're helping to sell out the country or from a paid troll too greedy to care. Either way, hang em all for treason! Wallmart's today's I.G.Farbin.

In the midst of a record-breaking budget deficit in 2005, who is most deserving of welfare handouts from the government? According to Congress, the answer is Wal-Mart.

Here is a news update from Taxpayers for Common Sense. TCS is the best organization that monitors excessive government spending, corruption and corporate welfare.

Strong corporate profits amid weak economy? = Outsourcing
Corporate Welfare Rats

Report: 26 U.S. Companies Not Paying Federal Income Tax

"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those towards whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore, the intellectual level of the propaganda must be lower the larger the number of people who are to be influenced by it."

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
From Benito Mussolini
"London Sunday Express," December 8, 1935

Workers’ share of national income plummets to record low"

If you're not careful,
the newspapers will have you
hating the people who are being oppressed,
and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."
~Malcolm X

Corporations That Own Our Media
The fat cats of the American mass media have lost their taste for the mother's milk of normal free enterprise: real competition for a reasonable profit. Thanks to addictive doses of sympathetic governmental policies and two decades of a drive for power, a shrinking number of large media corporations now regard monopoly, oligopoly and historic levels of profit as not only normal, but as their earned right.

The Corporate Muzzle

The Myth of "Liberal Bias" in the Media

"...somebody has to take governments' place,
and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it."
- David Rockefeller - Newsweek International, Feb 1 1999

A Few Buzzwords

Corporate Predators

Most corporate crminologists agree that corporate crime and violence inflicts far more damage on society than all street crime combined. That includes killings and deaths.

Corporations That Supplied Iraq's Weapons Program

Slave Labor Means Big Bucks For U.S. Corporations

At the same time, the United States blasts China for the the use of prison slave labor, engaging in the same practice itself. Prison labor is a pot of gold. No strikes, union organizing, health benefits, unemployment insurance or workers' compensation to pay. As if exploiting the labor of prison inmates was not bad enough, it is legal in the United States to use slave labor. The 13th Amendment of the Constitution states that "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted shall exist within the United States."

Corporate Welfare The Shame Page

# Corrupt Government Giveaways Will Continue, Admits Congressman
# Help Taxpayers -- Take Big Oil Off Welfare
# Government Fails to Collect Public Revenue
# Taxpayers Deserve to Know How Their Money is Squandered
# Military Spending Scandal -- The Department of Waste
# Some Courts Take Steps Against Corporate Welfare Queens

# Using Corporate Welfare to Bias Elections
# Corporate Welfare Queens Laugh as Toady Scrambles to Give Them Handouts -- D.C.'s Corrupt Mayor Wants to Give Away $440 Million While Schools Rot
# World's Biggest Corporation is a Welfare Queen
# To Boost Corporate Welfare Giveaways, U.S. Forest Service Tells Lies
# WTO Rules Against U.S. Cotton Subsidies In Landmark Decision
# Amid Huge Deficits, Congress Still Spending on Welfare Handouts to Timber Corporations
# Federal Subsidies to Private Luxury Landowners
# Congress Continues With Corruption and Failure -- Handouts to Large Agribusiness Corporations
# Water Subsidies Go To Agribusiness Corporations
# Administration Tells Taxpayers to Pay for Mining Companies' Toxic Pollution
# Welfare Bribery Scandal Hits Jeb Bush But Nobody Cares
# Corporate Welfare Harms Public Schools, Says New Report

# Wal-Mart Welfare
In our mind, there is no one that is less deserving of federal support than Wal-Mart, yet it gets $37 million from Uncle Sam in the transportation bill. Last year, Wal-Mart made $20,000 profit every minute of every day for a total of $10.3 billion dollars on the year. Other retail giants didn’t do nearly so well: Target’s profit per minute was $6,084, and Costco’s profit per minute was $1,711.

Individuals in California pay more than ten times as much for water as do the biggest agribusiness corporations.

Pure evil

John Dean on Countdown: Conservatives Without Conscience
To put it simply, Dean makes the case (with data he uncovered) that many conservatives of today need an authoritarian figure to guide them and they willingly do whatever it takes to please that figure. Dean cites G. Gordon Liddy as the perfect example of a guy willing to be shot in the street to indulge his master. He highlights the fear mongering that this administration has been using for years now as a model that allows the concept to be implemented. The way Tom Delay controlled the House is another perfect illustration of this behavior. Dean is a Barry Goldwater conservative.

Investigative Report:
The untold story of the Bush administration's penchant for secrecy
How the public's business gets done out of the public eye - The Bush administration has removed from the public domain millions of pages of information on health, safety, and environmental matters, lowering a shroud of secrecy over many critical operations of the federal government.

I guess if you advertise enough on google... this is what you get. I thought wallmart watch kept tabs on wallmart, now the site takes me to watches sold at wallmart.

wiki-Walmart Watch, formed in the spring of 2005, is a joint project of the Center for Community and Corporate Ethics, a non-profit organization studying the impact of large corporations on society and its advocacy arm, Five Stones.

How Wal-Mart Has Used Public Money in Your State
A secret behind Wal-Mart’s rapid expansion in the United States has been its extensive use of public money. This includes more than $1.2 billion in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance, low-cost financing and outright grants from state and local governments around the country. In addition, taxpayers indirectly subsidize the company by paying the healthcare costs of Wal-Mart employees who don’t receive coverage on the job and instead turn to public programs such as Medicaid. This website brings together available information on both kinds of subsidies involved in Wal-Mart’s “double-dipping.” In the future we will add data on other ways Wal-Mart relies on taxpayers to finance its growth.

DdC's picture
Mar. 22, 2012 1:39 am

The "WalMart vs Morons" rant is making it through facebook recently....

First, are they sure the people who run Walmart aren't corrupt morons?
Second, "we" "hired" all of our Representatives and Senators, so who's really to blame?
Third, just because one says something is "broke" and we can't take care of our own, doesn't make it factual. (Oh, and I wonder if the employees of Walmart (in the metaphor = the nation's citizens) FEEL anything but "broke" or FEEL taken care of... highly doubtful.)

I'm not buying the idea that corporate america can run the country better than the government does partly because the government is already allowing corporations to run the country via lobbyists and donations and it is a failing system with their involvement. Get corporations' hands out of government, then we will see a more effective and efficient system.

KBro's picture
Mar. 3, 2013 1:31 am

I realize that this email has been with us for some time. If anyone is interested, I just finished a blog post critical not only of such a terribly dangerous idea but also of how the GOP has duped some Americans into actually arriving at the conclusion that having Walmart as a model for our economy is somehow a good thing.


Mar. 3, 2013 1:07 pm

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