What Would Jesus Do With Bankers?

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i found this link interesting:


Retired Monk - "Ideology is a disease"

Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm


From Revolutions 6, with no apologies to St. John.

[6] A voice in the midst of the beasts, measure wheat for a penny, measure barley for a
penny; hurt not the oil and the wine. The Black horse starved as his rider sold his feed, for a

[7] And when the next seal was opened, the voice of the fourth beast, Come and see.

[8] A pale horse, and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
Power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with
hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. And the beasts died, and the horses
died. And we died, all receiving nothing.

[9] And when he had opened the next seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were
slain for the word of God, and for the testimony they teld:

[10] A loud voice, holy and true, don’t judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the

[11] Given, every one of them said unto them, rest for a season; servants, also and their
brethren, killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

[12] The next seal, and below there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as
sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Don’t worry, this happens.

[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind, just like on any other ordinary day.

[14] Heaven a scroll rolled together; every mountain and island moved out of their places.

[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains,
and the mighty men, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

[16] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that
sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

[17] The great day of his wrath is come; and who shall stand? The meek inherit everything, at
this stage of the game, as these cowards fade away.

anonymous green
Jan. 5, 2012 11:47 am

As I've mentioned to you before, polycarp, Joseph Kobylka (SMU professor in his Teaching Company lessons 'Cycles of American Political Thought') pointed out that Orestes Brownson actually wrote what was, in essence, an American form of socialist manifesto 8 years before Karl Marx did with Brownson's book, The Labouring Classes (1st published in 1840), still found on amazon.com here:


I've read that book. At the time Orestes Brownson wrote it, Brownson was an American Transcendentalist along the lines of the more noted Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. One significant difference that Brownson's American form of socialism had with Karl Marx was that, instead of Marx's rendition of religion as being 'the opiate of the people', Brownson pointed out that the words and actions of Jesus were best suited politically to be interprested as a form of socialism.

But, in The Labouring Classes, Brownson had a lot of criticism against the churches. Brownson noted that most churches were set as much on acquiring money as professing the gospel (no change from then to now, is there?). However, in his book, Brownson did note that Catholic priests seemed to be the only ones more proned to speak out against money in the manner that he interpreted from Jesus' actions and words than any other organized religion. Brownson noted that the Catholic priests seemed to be the most detached from, and less into the 'honoring of', money and its acquisition than their Protestant counterparts (who had to spend a lot of their time in 'collecting it from the congregation')--and that Catholic priests would even speak out against money directly, sometimes. This might have been what led Brownson into his Catholic conversion years later. Here's Wikipedia's story on Brownson:


Wikipedia notes that Brownson changed with that Catholic conversion to a more 'conservative position'--as Brownson disregarded his earlier 'liberal' ideology with American Transcendentalism. But, seeing how Brownson was a defender of labor's input into politics all his life, I don't think that meant his disregard of all he had to say in The Labouring Classes.

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Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm

There's a 1 in 20 Chance of the Apocalypse. Shouldn't We Act Now?

A new study published in Science argues that we as a civilization need to move "rapidly" -- as in almost immediately -- towards a carbon emissions free future if we are to have any chance of holding off runaway global warming:

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