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Many people already believe that the NRA is a domestic terrorist organization of sorts. After reading the following can anyone really doubt the basic truth of this belief?

How the gun lobby has already blocked Boston’s bombing investigators

by Frank Smyth, @SmythFrank

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/04/17/how-the-gun-lobby-has-already-blocked-bos...

One avenue of investigation is already closed off to forensic officials working the Boston Marathon bombing case due to efforts dating back decades by the National Rifle Association and gun manufacturers.

The FBI said Tuesday that gunpowder, along with pieces of metal and ball bearings, were packed into at least one pressure cooker and another device to make the crude bombs that killed three people—including an 8-year-old boy—and wounded more than 170 more during the Boston Marathon Monday.

But a crucial piece of evidence called a taggant that could be used to trace the gunpowder used in the bombs to a buyer at a point of sale is not available to investigators.

“If you had a good taggant this would be a good thing for this kind of crime. It could help identify the point of manufacturer, and chain of custody,” Bob Morhard, an explosives consultant and chief executive officer of Zukovich, Morhard & Wade, LLC., in Pennsylvania, who has traced explosives and detonators in use in the United States and Saudi Arabia, told MSNBC.com. “The problem is nobody wants to know what the material is.”

Explosives manufacturers are required to place tracing elements known as identification taggants only in plastic explosives but not in gunpowder, thanks to lobbying efforts by the NRA and large gun manufacturing groups.

NRA officials at the group’s headquarters in Fairfax, Virginia declined to respond to calls and emails from MSNBC.com requesting comment.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation and the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute, Inc., share a cross-membership of dozens of firearms manufacturers based out of their joint offices in Newtown, Connecticut. Foundation spokesman Bill Brassard, Jr. told MSNBC.com that no one from either group was available for comment.

“They are concerned about tort liability,” Morhard added to MSNBC.com, referring to manufacturers worried about being sued over the improper use of their ammunition or explosives. Worries about the cost of adding taggants to gunpowder were also raised by the Institute of Makers of Explosives. NRA officials seem more concerned about government use of technology to trace either firearms or the gunpowder used to make ammunition. Fear of government use of tracking technologies is also echoed online. “

These taggants would allow the police to identify the maker and even the lot of the ammo by the taggant,” posted blogger dfariswheel online in January in a closed gun-forum called AR15.com, a longstanding group named for the same type of military-style, semi-automatic rifle used in both the Newtown grade school and Aurora movie theater mass shootings.

In the past, the NRA has argued that taggants could affect the trajectory of bullets and would also be a de facto form of weapons registration, reported the Los Angeles Times in 1995.

Yet, one of the NRA’s own “Fact Sheets” from the 1990s on the website of its lobbying wing expresses reservations about taggants but still indicates that they could work.

“Identification taggants are microscopically color-coded particles that, if added to explosives or gun powders during their manufacturing, might facilitate tracing those products after a bombing back to the manufacturer,” reads the 1999 post “Taggants and Gun Powers” by the NRA’s Institute of Legislative Action. “Then, through the use of mandatory distribution records, tracing would continue through wholesaler and dealer levels to an original purchaser or point of theft.”

The same NRA, however, has twice deployed its lobbyists to block the mandated use of identification taggants by gunpowder manufacturers.

The first time came more than thirty years ago, after a wave of bombings in the 1970s mainly by the radical left Weather Underground and Puerto Rican nationalist groups.

A congressional study in 1980 found: “Identification taggants would facilitate the investigation of almost all significant criminal bombings in which commercial explosives were used.”

But the NRA successfully lobbied to have black and smokeless gunpowders exempted from the explosives required to include taggant markers. Members of Congress—including then-New York Rep. Charles Schumer– tried and failed again after the 1993 New York City truck bombing of the World Trade Center. The Clinton administration renewed the call for legislation requiring identifying taggants right after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, whose 18th anniversary is Friday.

The NRA backed a National Research Council committee in 1998 to examine taggant technologies, later claiming the committee found them to be “unfeasible and of uncertain value.” In fact, the committee concluded: “Identification taggants and an associated record-keeping system could be of further assistance in tracking down bombers in cases where basic forensic techniques fail.” The committee added that “additional research on these systems is needed to determine whether they are safe and effective.”

Little or no known public research has been done on the matter since, as the NRA gained more national influence in the 2000s during the administration led by President George W. Bush.

“It was explained that taggants would alter the powder in unsafe ways and that no military or police organization would allow it in their ammo, and that the unknown and unsafe taggants effects would likely cause explosive accidents,” continued dfariswheel in his January post on AR15.com.

Although this online forum is closed to unregistered users, individual threads are still partially visible via Google, which is how MSNBC.com reached this thread’s unique URL address.

“That’s really a stretch,” said Morhard. Some taggants are themselves explosive and others are toxic, even carcinogenic, he added, but the risks are concentrated among employees storing and inserting the taggants into explosive products.

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They have also made it illegal for a treating physician or mental health professional to ask that patient or family members of the patient if they have firearms in the house, and of course the follow up 'how are they stored?'. The NRA wants more mass shootings, they lead to increased sales, and increased profits.

TX sniper CJ Whitman told his psychiatrist he wanted to shoot people from a tower long before he did so. He also had a tumor. Wayne might have a tumor, too. He certainly exhibits symptoms of mental trauma, paranoia being the foremost.

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Great posts guys, but wouldn't it just be easier to make it illegal for anyone to own or purchase fireworks, charcoal briquettes, glue, sulphur, saltpeter, fertilizer, nails, ball bearings, and backpacks? If any these components were illegal to own, there would never be another bomb attack.

At the very least, set up a government agency that would investigate every attempt to purchase any of the above mentioned products without a full background check and appropriate license to purchase from a government aproved, and licensed seller.

BTW. Mr Hartmann is wrong in his statement that taggants are specific to an individual store location. They would be applied to an entire production run on a product line that could be weeks long and distributed to hundreds of individual sellers.

This particular crime could have very possibly been prevented if the FBI and DHS had done their job in the first place.

As for the family doctor, it is absolutely none of his or her business if I have firearms in the house. One of the main reasons the NRA balks at universal background checks. Uncle Joe was dispensed a anti-depressant because a family doctor got a trip to Florida from a drug company if he prescribed xyz drug x times per year. OOP's, lets make sure his sister has no guns in her house because she is related to Uncle Joe, and he is on prescribed drugs that the government deems dangerous.

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I think you're missing the point, which is not that the attacks could have been prevented if the explosive materials used in the bombs were traceable, only that law enforcement could at least attempt to establish a 'chain of custody' which might lead to the arrest(s) of other individuals involved in the crime (and also prevent similar crimes in the future).

By hampering law enforcement efforts in this regards, the NRA actually aids and abets criminal activity. (Perhaps they should be brought up on 'obstruction of justice' charges.)

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They could take that one step further, by maintaining the medical records that ask if you own fire arms they could deny you medical care until you and or anyone you are related to, or close friends with turns in their fire arms.

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FO, you and the other Seconders trash every other aspect of the Constitution in your paranoia about what might happen down the line if guns were treated as dangerous tools/toys that we need to be certain are NOT in the hands of some of our 'fellow Americans' and other residents. The idea that the Founders embedded violent revolution in their intention about firearm possession v. a standing army and other aspects of slave patrol 'militias' is ludicrous. Read up on Shay's Rebellion and how that precipitated the Constitutional Convention to give the Feds more clout. Neither 'State's Rights' nor the "blood of patriot martyrs" was what the Second was ever about.

We would like the First and the Fourth back, and if the NRA were not poisoning the civil well with its disgusting gun selling bullshit and culture of fear and death macho insecurity we might be able to do something about the tyranny of our empire.

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I understand that there is now possible evidence that fireworks was used as the source of explosives in the BM bombs. Maybe now, they will ban fireworks in all states. People in restrictive states now just go over the state line to buy their fireworks. Fireworks don't kill people, people kill people! right?

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FO, you and the other Seconders trash every other aspect of the Constitution in your paranoia about what might happen down the line if guns were treated as dangerous tools/toys that we need to be certain are NOT in the hands of some of our 'fellow Americans' and other residents. The idea that the Founders embedded violent revolution in their intention about firearm possession v. a standing army and other aspects of slave patrol 'militias' is ludicrous. Read up on Shay's Rebellion and how that precipitated the Constitutional Convention to give the Feds more clout. Neither 'State's Rights' nor the "blood of patriot martyrs" was what the Second was ever about.

We would like the First and Fourth back, and if theNRA were not poisoning the civil well with its disgusting gun selling bullshit and culture of fear and death macho insecurity we might be able to do something about the tyranny of our empire.

We still have the first amendment it has not been under attack like the second. The first says you have the freedom of speech still there, freedom of the press still there though most is left wing hacks, freedom of religion yep still there, . Thus dies not mean you are free from ever seeming a religious symbol. It's freedom of not freedom from. Free to redress of grievous yep still there freedom to peaceably assemble yep still there.

The fourth was badly bent by the patriot act but I blame all of congress for that pike of crap.

So what parts do you think you lost?

Cars kill more people than firearms less than one percent of all gun crime is committed with an armilite 15

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Most mass killings are done with armlite 15. The doctor knowing you are a sociopath might want to know for his own protection and protection of family members living in the neighborhood. NRA wants sociopaths to be armed, as do the gun nuts on this message board.

-five-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister just an accident because guns don't kill. It was just a toy, a crickett, a gun for toddlers, loaded and kept in a corner. Had the boy shot his parents the world would be safer. The parents should be charged with negligent homicide. Any gun owning family member allowing their weapon to be used in a crime should be charged with aiding in the commission of the crime. That means if your beloved weapon kills someone, you are charged with negligent homicide. The dead victim's family should seek redress in civil court as well. Note that nothing mentioned infringes anyone's rights. Background checks don't infringe. Denying a Doctor needed information is infringing his ability to treat his patients.

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Quote firearm owner:They could take that one step further, by maintaining the medical records that ask if you own fire arms they could deny you medical care until you and or anyone you are related to, or close friends with turns in their fire arms.

This might be asking too much of someone such as yourself (who can apparently function well enough to type random words on a computer keyboard with only two working brain cells) but please explain how what you wrote has anything whatsoever to do with putting taggants in explosive materials so that those materials can be traced when used in a crime?

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We still have the first amendment it has not been under attack like the second.

Gun junkies will say about anything regardless if its even close to reality. Now I have to change my position and say ban all guns, period. If these gun junkies can't be resonable about keeping kids from getting shot, then how can we trust them with guns? We can't. Take them away, close down the factories and then let the diehards rebel and go down in their fantasy blaze of glory for the gipper. RIP assholes! Objecting to tracing bombs to their source is beyond reason. Cops in every portapotty but they need guns to thwart off a police state? What wingnuts.

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Quote DdC: If these gun junkies can't be reasonable about keeping kids from getting shot, then how can we trust them with guns? We can't.
Gun Nuts actually believe they are oh sooooo special... protected by the Framers themselves as the last protectors of the Constitution. Can we find that role for them anywhere in the Constitution, Second, or Militia Acts. Of course not. And the BEST case that can be made for armed resistance against the federal government has it being done by the well-regulated militias... and yet there is STILL no actual legislation to this effect. Without that, all we're left with is Madison's opinion in the Federalist Papers. Even FO and his two brain cells had to concede the obvious.

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Quote Gary the Gun Nut:
Quote firearm owner:They could take that one step further, by maintaining the medical records that ask if you own fire arms they could deny you medical care until you and or anyone you are related to, or close friends with turns in their fire arms.

This might be asking too much of someone such as yourself (who can apparently function well enough to type random words on a computer keyboard with only two working brain cells) but please explain how what you wrote has anything whatsoever to do with putting taggants in explosive materials so that those materials can be traced when used in a crime?

It does not, it was a response to some ones statement that the NRA had the pull to keep doctors from asking if guns are in the house and how they are stored.

Taggants were rejected for scientific reasons not because the NRA is a terrorist organisation. If the NRA could be labeled as a terrorist organisation then all members of the NRA and any of its supporters would be terrorists giving the current and next administrations dictatorial powers over 50 percent of the population. This would ensure the death of democracy as we know it.

Here ends the lesson. With twice the brain power of the average lib.

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Quote Pierpont:
Quote DdC: If these gun junkies can't be reasonable about keeping kids from getting shot, then how can we trust them with guns? We can't.
Gun Nuts actually believe they are oh sooooo special... protected by the Framers themselves as the last protectors of the Constitution. Can we find that role for them anywhere in the Constitution, Second, or Militia Acts. Of course not. And the BEST case that can be made for armed resistance agaist the federal government has it being done by the well-regulated militias... and yet there is STILL no actual legislation to this effect. Without that, all we're left with is Madison's opinion in the Federalist Papers. Even FO and his two brain cells had to concede the obvious.

I can only come to one conclusion that if I have two brain cells you must only have a fraction of one.. The militias are dead they were killed off long ago, and you still have yet to show me the law that allows you to own pants.

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Quote firearm owner:If the NRA could be labeled as a terrorist organisation then all members of the NRA and any of its supporters would be terrorists...
I agree the title of this thread was over the top. But to call the NRA socially irresponsible and pushes policies that they KNOW allow criminals easier access to guns is merely reality. But then YOU are also on record opposing background checks be expanded on the lamest of grounds... that criminals don't care about laws... even if between 1996 and 2012 NICS has already stopped an estimated 400,000 sales to those with criminal records. Why you and the NRA insist on giving them ways to EVADE the current system... there's no other explanation that Gun Nuts like you are deluded into believing guns are God's gift to mankind and Gun Nuts are waaaaaaaaay too special to even have the same scrutiny as someone who drives a car.

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FO why do you want alqaeda members to have arsenals? Why do you want mexican drug runners arming their cabal from AZ? Do you own stock in gun manufacturing? I own stock in tobacco companies, but the people killed are not innocent bystanders, and the companies and their products pay a good bit of taxes and a civil suit award.

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Quote firearm owner:
Quote Pierpont:
Quote DdC: If these gun junkies can't be reasonable about keeping kids from getting shot, then how can we trust them with guns? We can't.
Gun Nuts actually believe they are oh sooooo special... protected by the Framers themselves as the last protectors of the Constitution. Can we find that role for them anywhere in the Constitution, Second, or Militia Acts. Of course not. And the BEST case that can be made for armed resistance agaist the federal government has it being done by the well-regulated militias... and yet there is STILL no actual legislation to this effect. Without that, all we're left with is Madison's opinion in the Federalist Papers. Even FO and his two brain cells had to concede the obvious.

I can only come to one conclusion that if I have two brain cells you must only have a fraction of one.. The militias are dead they were killed off long ago, and you still have yet to show me the law that allows you to own pants.

And yet, with only a fraction of a brain cell my ability to think and reason surpasses yours to such a degree that I am like a super Nova shining Bright in the Night Sky while you are but a dim and fading star sinking below the darkening horizon!

I guess this only goes to show the vastly superior ability of the Liberal mind to not only reason and recognize Reality, but to dream Dreams that are so far beyond the comprehension of the sadly impoverished, fearful, and convoluted mindset that is the exclusive province of Conservatives such as yourself, that it is like comparing a slug stuck in its slimy trail on the ground (i.e., Conservative thought) looking up at birds flying through the air and trying to understand the concept of winged flight (i.e., Liberal thought).

I weep for you, I deeply sympathize...

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Quote douglaslee:

FO why do you want alqaeda members to have arsenals? Why do you want mexican drug runners arming their cabal from AZ? Do you own stock in gun manufacturing? I own stock in tobacco companies, but the people killed are not innocent bystanders, and the companies and their products pay a good bit of taxes and a civil suit award.

I do not want terrorists to have arsenals, I do want the powder I buy to reload my ammo to be safe adding taggants would make that impossible. The drug cartels get their guns from Eric holder and the Obama administration. Selling weapons to non citizens, felons, straw buys are all currently illegal the only way to stop that is to have a police force that does its job.

Why do you want the federal government to have do much say in your day to day life? Di you need a parent figure in your life to make you feel safe?

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Quote Gary the Gun Nut:
Quote firearm owner:
Quote Pierpont:
Quote DdC: If these gun junkies can't be reasonable about keeping kids from getting shot, then how can we trust them with guns? We can't.
Gun Nuts actually believe they are oh sooooo special... protected by the Framers themselves as the last protectors of the Constitution. Can we find that role for them anywhere in the Constitution, Second, or Militia Acts. Of course not. And the BEST case that can be made for armed resistance agaist the federal government has it being done by the well-regulated militias... and yet there is STILL no actual legislation to this effect. Without that, all we're left with is Madison's opinion in the Federalist Papers. Even FO and his two brain cells had to concede the obvious.

I can only come to one conclusion that if I have two brain cells you must only have a fraction of one.. The militias are dead they were killed off long ago, and you still have yet to show me the law that allows you to own pants.

And yet, with only a fraction of a brain cell my ability to think and reason surpasses yours to such a degree that I am like a super Nova shining Bright in the Night Sky while you are but a dim and fading star sinking below the darkening horizon!

I guess this only goes to show the vastly superior ability of the Liberal mind to not only reason and recognize Reality, but to dream Dreams that are so far beyond the comprehension of the sadly impoverished, fearful, and convoluted mindset that is the exclusive province of Conservatives such as yourself, that it is like comparing a slug stuck in its slimy trail on the ground (i.e., Conservative thought) looking up at birds flying through the air and trying to understand the concept of winged flight (i.e., Liberal thought).

I weep for you, I deeply sympathize...

The problem us your dreams are for a totalitarian state were you have to ask daddy government forva drink of water. My dreams are for freedom.

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Quote Gary the Gun Nut:
Quote firearm owner:
Quote Pierpont:
Quote DdC: If these gun junkies can't be reasonable about keeping kids from getting shot, then how can we trust them with guns? We can't.
Gun Nuts actually believe they are oh sooooo special... protected by the Framers themselves as the last protectors of the Constitution. Can we find that role for them anywhere in the Constitution, Second, or Militia Acts. Of course not. And the BEST case that can be made for armed resistance agaist the federal government has it being done by the well-regulated militias... and yet there is STILL no actual legislation to this effect. Without that, all we're left with is Madison's opinion in the Federalist Papers. Even FO and his two brain cells had to concede the obvious.

I can only come to one conclusion that if I have two brain cells you must only have a fraction of one.. The militias are dead they were killed off long ago, and you still have yet to show me the law that allows you to own pants.

And yet, with only a fraction of a brain cell my ability to think and reason surpasses yours to such a degree that I am like a super Nova shining Bright in the Night Sky while you are but a dim and fading star sinking below the darkening horizon!

I guess this only goes to show the vastly superior ability of the Liberal mind to not only reason and recognize Reality, but to dream Dreams that are so far beyond the comprehension of the sadly impoverished, fearful, and convoluted mindset that is the exclusive province of Conservatives such as yourself, that it is like comparing a slug stuck in its slimy trail on the ground (i.e., Conservative thought) looking up at birds flying through the air and trying to understand the concept of winged flight (i.e., Liberal thought).

I weep for you, I deeply sympathize...

Wow! A beautifully written, elegant... load of crap.

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Quote douglaslee:

FO why do you want alqaeda members to have arsenals? Why do you want mexican drug runners arming their cabal from AZ? Do you own stock in gun manufacturing? I own stock in tobacco companies, but the people killed are not innocent bystanders, and the companies and their products pay a good bit of taxes and a civil suit award.

I need a little help here. You actually admit own stock in a company that is a proven killer of children? How do you sleep at night knowing you helped kill over 440,000 people a year including thousands of infants, and then brag about the fact they pay taxes. Those children you killed will never grow up to pay taxes, as well as the millions and millions of taxpayer dollars going to treat those with tobacco related illness. I never even started to speak to the "innocent bystanders" you murdered by second hand smoke. How about the sweat shops in Honduras where women are forced to roll a tobacco leaf on their leg for hours and hours a day for a paupers pay, just to stay alive and make you your killer cigars? As for the tobacco companies paying taxes, I thought the leftie's claim was, corporations never pay any taxes. Plus don't all the top exec's at the tobacco companies make millions and millions in pay? Which way do you want it?

Let's compare FO's gun deaths vs. your murdering of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children per year.

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Quote firearm owner:
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FO why do you want alqaeda members to have arsenals? Why do you want mexican drug runners arming their cabal from AZ? Do you own stock in gun manufacturing? I own stock in tobacco companies, but the people killed are not innocent bystanders, and the companies and their products pay a good bit of taxes and a civil suit award.

I do not want terrorists to have arsenals, I do want the powder I buy to reload my ammo to be safe adding taggants would make that impossible. The drug cartels get their guns from Eric holder and the Obama administration. Selling weapons to non citizens, felons, straw buys are all currently illegal the only way to stop that is to have a police force that does its job. Why do you want the federal government to have do much say in your day to day life? Di you need a parent figure in your life to make you feel safe?

How does adding taggants make your ammo unsafe? The only thing it makes unsafe is eluding capture in the event your ammo is used in a crime. Alright we have established you want to not be caught in your criminal pursuits, very laudable goals for a member of the criminal party that steals elections, and homes, and pensions, and raises, and meals for the infirm, and headstart for needy families, and budget surpluses. You are the only criminal that doesn't want to get caught, your criminal colleagues are proud of their heists.

btw, AZ law prohibits arrest for straw purchases. The straw purchaser could sell the gun just bought from a licensed dealer to a wanted criminal or drug lord on the steps of the dealer's store and nothing could prevent it, that is you phucking nra in action and deed.

Do your armalight15s come with images of the kids killed in Sandy Hook? That's what the gun is for, a buyer ought to see color photos of the effectiveness of his new purchase. The buyer ought to be proud he is purchasing a tool that can dismember 6 year olds in seconds.

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Quote douglaslee:

FO why do you want alqaeda members to have arsenals? Why do you want mexican drug runners arming their cabal from AZ? Do you own stock in gun manufacturing? I own stock in tobacco companies, but the people killed are not innocent bystanders, and the companies and their products pay a good bit of taxes and a civil suit award.

I need a little help here. You actually admit own stock in a company that is a proven killer of children? How do you sleep at night knowing you helped kill over 440,000 people a year including thousands of infants, and then brag about the fact they pay taxes. Those children you killed will never grow up to pay taxes, as well as the millions and millions of taxpayer dollars going to treat those with tobacco related illness. I never even started to speak to the "innocent bystanders" you murdered by second hand smoke. How about the sweat shops in Honduras where women are forced to roll a tobacco leaf on their leg for hours and hours a day for a paupers pay, just to stay alive and make you your killer cigars? As for the tobacco companies paying taxes, I thought the leftie's claim was, corporations never pay any taxes. Plus don't all the top exec's at the tobacco companies make millions and millions in pay? Which way do you want it?

Let's compare FO's gun deaths vs. your murdering of hundreds of thousands of men, women, and children per year.

Nobody forces people to smoke. When the 2nd amendment loons are debased to the pariah status smokers enjoy, the country is making progress. Most work environments are smoke free, the 18 month old killed by his 5 year old brother did not have a gun free household.

My investment is in an ETF traded as XLP

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So you endorse your murdering of little children and infants by the smokers that you openly support with your money? Are all homes and autos smoke free? Just how many deaths are ok with you?

Just for the record you know.

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I switched my holdings to a more moral ethics, this one

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So now, stoning women and beheading homosexuals is in your favor, instead if the hundreds of thousands of children you murdered. You are quite the progressive. Maybe you should switch sides. You seem to be the poster boy for all those on this board find distasteful.

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FO why do you want alqaeda members to have arsenals? Why do you want mexican drug runners arming their cabal from AZ? Do you own stock in gun manufacturing? I own stock in tobacco companies, but the people killed are not innocent bystanders, and the companies and their products pay a good bit of taxes and a civil suit award.

I do not want terrorists to have arsenals, I do want the powder I buy to reload my ammo to be safe adding taggants would make that impossible. The drug cartels get their guns from Eric holder and the Obama administration. Selling weapons to non citizens, felons, straw buys are all currently illegal the only way to stop that is to have a police force that does its job. Why do you want the federal government to have do much say in your day to day life? Di you need a parent figure in your life to you feel safe?

How does adding taggants make your ammo unsafe? The only thing it makes unsafe is eluding capture in the event your ammo is used in a crime. Alright we have established you want to not be caught in your criminal pursuits, very laudable goals for a member of the criminal party that steals elections, and homes, and pensions, and raises, and meals for the infirm, and headstart for needy families, and budget surpluses. You are the only criminal that doesn't want to get caught, your criminal colleagues are proud of their heists.

btw, AZ law prohibits arrest for straw purchases. The straw purchaser could sell the gun just bought from a licensed dealer to a wanted criminal or drug lord on the steps of the dealer's store and nothing could prevent it, that is you phucking nra in action and deed.

Do your armalight15s come with images of the kids killed in Sandy Hook? That's what the gun is for, a buyer ought to see color photos of the effectiveness of his new purchase. The buyer ought to be proud he is purchasing a tool that can dismember 6 year olds in seconds.

Taggents make the powder unstable, I will look for the link to the study. When I have time. That is why they are nit added to the gun powder.

If you legally buy a weapon from a dealer take it down the block and sell it to a known felon you are breaking the law in all 50 states.

I do not need to see picture of what the ar15 is capable of I have seen it first hand.

That is the problem with the anti gun crowd they react to emotions instead of facts and freedom. You would trade all of your rights in if the government could guarantee you would never have another bad emotional.experience again.

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Quote firearm owner:You would trade all of your rights in if the government could guarantee you would never have another bad emotional.experience again.
ROTF... just because someone believes in a civilized society that DOES try to screen gun purchases in the same manner we screen potential drivers... then one is in favor of totalitarianism???

As we see from FO's own pathologically irrational positions it's not those who believe in a civilized society that we have to worry about. It's those extremists who suffer from delusions of infallibility, are intellectually dishonest,... and demand NO screening for gun purchases AND access to the same kinds of weapons the military has. One has to wonder if Tim McVeigh were posting from the grave... would his posts be any different?

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Quote firearm owner:You would trade all of your rights in if the government could guarantee you would never have another bad emotional.experience again.
ROTF... just because someone believes in a civilized society that DOES try to screen gun purchases in the same manner we screen potential drivers... then one is in favor of totalitarianism???

As we see from FO's own pathologically irrational positions it's not those who believe in a civilized society that we have to worry about. It's those extremists who suffer from delusions of infallibility, are intellectually dishonest,... and demand NO screening for gun purchases AND access to the same kinds of weapons the military has. One has to wonder if Tim McVeigh were posting from the grave... would his posts be any different?

I wonder if pol pot, Stalin or Mao would agree with you

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Quote Pierpont:
Quote firearm owner:You would trade all of your rights in if the government could guarantee you would never have another bad emotional.experience again.
ROTF... just because someone believes in a civilized society that DOES try to screen gun purchases in the same manner we screen potential drivers... then one is in favor of totalitarianism???

As we see from FO's own pathologically irrational positions it's not those who believe in a civilized society that we have to worry about. It's those extremists who suffer from delusions of infallibility, are intellectually dishonest,... and demand NO screening for gun purchases AND access to the same kinds of weapons the military has. One has to wonder if Tim McVeigh were posting from the grave... would his posts be any different?

I wonder if pol pot, Stalin or Mao would agree with you
EVASION ALERT: as usual FO evades the response to the issue HE raised... and vomits more pathological right wing garbage instead.. thus proving my point about him.

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You have got to be kidding, the NRA is the only thing saving the second ammendment..Any one person or organization threatening our Constitution..Is a terrorist..Now lets see.. Is the NRA attemping to change the second Ammendment???H-NO..This Lame Ass web sight is....T.Hartman the Towelhead terrorist..

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You have got to be kidding, the NRA is the only thing saving the second ammendment..Any one person or organization threatening our Constitution..Is a terrorist..Now lets see.. Is the NRA attemping to change the second Ammendment???H-NO..This Lame Ass web sight is....T.Hartman the Towelhead terrorist..

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wow, crazed anger -- just what you want to see in a gun nut

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There is no use discussing with gun nuts. They suffer from severe paranoia and will not reason. They do not like it when you say that but it is true. Otherwise why would they have arsanels and want to carry concealed weapons. No other country has gun laws like Americas. Yes Mexico has a gun problem with criminals. Where did they get guns? From the USA's slack gun laws. Where do Terrorists get guns in the USA? Any gun shop or gun show. Where does someone suffering from depression, anger management or any other mental illness get a gun? Any gun shop or gun show.

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Who Will Stop World War III?

Thom plus logo Back in 2001, after 9/11, Congress gave the president the authority to basically wage war anywhere in the world where there were governments affiliated with Al Qaeda, the radical Sunni Muslim group that came out of the Saudi Wahhabist movement. Iran is Shia Muslim, essentially the sworn enemies of the Sunnis.
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