Give all your money to poor black people so that you live at the same economic level

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Or you are a hypocrite.

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This world is not a fair place. This world is the Planet of the Apes. white people did to black people first. otherwise black people would have done it the white people. Black people do it to white people as soon as they get in charge. I've seen black reverse prejudice in the workplace and in the military.

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Slavery has been going on since the beginning of mankind
its not just white people over the past 2 or 3 hundred years. Slavery will continue for thousands of more years.

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As a matter of fact Obama is a black slaver he's selling out American jobs overseas with TPP and enslaving Americans into poverty.

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The title of this thread came across so flip and cynical, I thought surely a conservative must have posted it.

For over a century since slavery officially ended, black people have been maliciously and systematically excluded from economic policies (the Homestead Act and GI Bill, to name two examples) that have given whites an unfair advantage and left the average white family with seventeen times the assets of the average black family in the U.S. We need policies to help level the proverbial playing field for everyone. Affirmative Action was but a small step in that direction. Affirmative Action has been gone for years already, yet we still hear white people whining and bitching about it. Pathetic, isn't it!

This is a problem crying for legislative remedies. We can't change this disparity on an individual basis. Legislation is what caused the problem of institutionalized, systemic racism in the first place, and we need legislation to fix it. But the political will in Congress just isn't there, nor has it been there since the Civil War.

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I don't care any for black legislation any more than white legislation. I don't care for corporations to get special legislation or for black people to get special legislation. Black slavery is over. Get up off your b**** and get a job. Quit expecting the government to bail you out. No one is stopping you from getting a job now. You had your chance for legislation and the black slaver Obama did nothing except send your job overseas with TPP. Now your wasting time. Now it's time to try to get Sanders elected. Sanders is a chance for real change for all Americans not just black. And you know what file a class action lawsuit of against slave owner corporations and sue them but nobody today cares about how black people aren't as rich as white people. And no one is going to. Cynical? Your d**n right. Tell me which bankerster's human nature do you trust? Lol what a joke. Flip? No. I care about black people as well as white and all people of all colors. But reality is reality. Move on with the present. Raise money for Bernie to have parallel presidential debates so all Americans can hear his message in Nov 2016.

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I can tell already, this discussion is going nowhere. Sorry to waste your time.

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You know what? If Bernie has a chance this conversation it is going somewhere. But you are a waste of time because you won't devote the same energy to Bernie that you devoted to Obama because Bernie is not black. What's going nowhere is your bs black legislation. For what? You want free money because your ancestors were oppressed? No one cares especially black slaver Obama. So Alice there is your dose of reality. Cheers!

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Yeah, keep waving that flag truthless2010.

I knew SC. would bring out the luking racists on this site. You haven't disappointed me.

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I don’t even know why I came to this thread. Any thread with a title like this spells “A-S-S-H-O-L-E”. Seems to me rs has your number.

Frankly Truthless, I don’t believe you know me well enough to determine how much effort I put into Obama’s campaign, or Bernie’s for that matter; nor do you have any idea who my ancestors are. Do I look like a black person?! I happen to empathize with black people stuck with the misfortune of living in the same society & country with white assholes like you.

Cheers. And goodbye. - AIW

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A democratic socialist racist asshole bigot? Wow, that's new

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Alice: Beware of anybody using "Truth" in his or her nomme de guerre. Especially when they come up with such patronizing dribble as mandating this kind of redistribution. There's wealth redistribution and there's outright Bolshevik confiscation. What this person wants is the latter and like you've more or less tried to get across to him or her, it's pretty damn demeaning to say the least. What, doesn't this person have any faith in Black Americans to care for themselves and their own loved ones? Of course they can. But there's a difference between the insulting shove down of hand-outs and the extended hand of a respectful hand up because we believe in the people we're far more willing to invest in under those conditions. LOL, that's only my opinion. I don't use "truth" for an ID.

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I've visited close to 100 countries and lived in half a dozen. In countries where education is lousy, black majorities take advantage of whites and browns, white majorities take advantage of blacks and browns, and brown majorities take advantage of whites and blacks. The excuses vary (Hindus are more intelligent, "you people" would take advantage of us, you-all at inferior) but it's always fear based and the action is consistent. Conversely, in countries with good educational systems, skin color is ignored. We lived on a multicultural island with great schools and it was very refreshing that people didn't even notice skin - unless you were headed to the beach. When someone asks "What does XYZ look like?" the answer would be something like "She's about 25 years old, 5 ft 6, 120 lbs, with long brown hair and big tits" then as an afterthought "oh, and kind of medium brown skin." Our firends were all sorts of colors and mixes. Mostly, we never knew who had what ancestry, unless they brought it up, which they might to explain some story, but never with regard to value assessment. However, they were taught real history. Slavery on the island was taught in school as a stupid idea of a less sophisticated past. Racial hatred didn't exist and the worst strife we ran into was when we walked onto a bus where we were the only whites. We walked quietly to an open seat in the back, used to the USA where you don't talk to people you don't know. As we passed black lady after black lady one spoke out "I guess they don't speak English". The other replied "Probably Germans, lots of them don't speak English". I stopped and asked what we had done wrong. The first lady smiled and said "It's normal to say good morning and intruduce yourselves." On a public bus? When in Rome......we apologized, exhcanged names and greetings, then life stories, and the 30 minute ride ended far too soon. We rode the bus as much as possible after that, what a great society.

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The real problem is American society reacts to sumptoms rather than problems. The problem - the reason that young man performed an act of terrorism - is lousy education and hatred. The act of terrorism isn't what we need to fis. Let's work to increase incomes for poor people, not black people, poor people. Let's work to decrease fear of black people AND poor people. The solution is pretty simple, teach the truth in school, and although we have the 1st amendment hate speech and ;ies are not protected. It's OK to be wrong, it's not OK to intentionally mislead people to create more gun sales. I completely disagree with the survivors forgiving and forgetting. They need to sue the NRA and Faux News and the right wing promoters of hate. Yes, forgive the young man, he clearly has poor cognitive skills and was duped by propaganda. However, taking the hit with no response is letting Hitler march off the Jews living next door.

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ouch y'all are so mean. and look at your human nature now just ready to take advantage of me. I think you're prejudiced against me. Where is all that kumbaya liberal love your brother b*******? I'm Irish white are you going to give me money because my ancestors were slaves? when they came over because they were. I don't owe black people anything. I work with black, Hispanic and white people everyday. I don't expect them to give me their paycheck and they don't expect me to give them my paycheck. I'm friends with some and not others of all races.

Alice in Wonderland the name seems fitting because when you call someone an a****** it shows that you have no logical thought to speak of. Some people call that ignorant.

I'm not a racist I believe everybody should have equal rights and I believe everybody should get to work and not expect things to be given to them.

I think what happened in South Carolina with the nine people murdered was a terrible tragedy. but I still think black people should work just like everybody else and not expect any special government legislation

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I agree with you, Truth2010. With "these people"* unless you don't see things totally the way they do you are a racist. Unless you have completely bent over and bowed down to them, "they" will call you a racist and "they" don't find it "racist" in "themselves" to condemn you for not being as PC as they want you to be.

* By that I mean "these people" who are participating on this blog site...white, black, whatever... I have to define that because "some people" get all ticked off when some phrases are used...they think it is "racist". "They" are not going to be happy until they have completely hijacked our language so that it is politically correct (the way "they" define it and then they will turn right around and use politically incorrect words... like the N word... in their rap music... they can say it but we can't?). "These people" climbed all over me a while back for using the phrase "you people". I was not referring to the blacks, in particular, but to the people on the blog.

And that story about whites getting on a bus full of black people and the black women making passing critical comments.... if it were the other way around...well, we have already seen a big black guy on youtube punching out a little blind lady on a bus for just sitting there.

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We don't want to level the playing field but instead reduce the gap between the richest and the poorest. It's very ridiculous now and the uber rich must think the public is a bunch of dummies because they haven't insisted on some measures to close the gap. Warren Buffet was suggesting it was up to the public to do so when he mentioned he paid less percentage wise in taxes than his personal assistant.

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Palindromedary

No kidding. I agree. All I said was put your money where your mouth is and give black people your money if your so sympathetic towards thier history(which no one said they have given thier money). And I said I don't agree they that black people are freely entitled now to take my hard earned money in the form of taxes for thier sympathetic feelings towards the black history. So they called me a racist a*******. I think everyone should earn thier own money. Yes there are crazy extremist in every race so they shouldn't conflate the terrible South Carolina tradgedy with thier senselessness of blacks taking handouts from white people.

Could you imagine if they had a white only Miss White USA pageant? but they have a black only Miss Black USA pageant. it's gone too far.

It's gone to far

I believe black people should have equal rights because they're human not more rights because they're black

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mdhess it it bewildering that you think you are trained in debate and speech especially when have nothing intelligent to say and instead resort to name calling. I must ask was your training home schooled self taught? Or correspondence courses? Regardless you were ripped off. So tell me what is the difference between you called me an a****** and white people calling black people the N word? it's all about name calling. if you want to change the way people behave you need to start with yourself.

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Implying that black people don't work or are lazy is what Harvard psychologist and author Gordon Allport called "categorical thinking." This is ridiculous, and why should I waste my time reading comments by individuals who generalize in a simple-minded way and are prejudiced and who don't know what they are talking about.

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I thought it was Dex.

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Perhaps you should read thoroughly before opening mouth or posting. I didn't imply at all. When I said get a job instead of waiting for a government handout in was in reply to AliceinWonderland s post of "Legislation is what caused the problem of institutionalized, systemic racism in the first place, and we need legislation to fix it. But the political will in Congress just isn't there, nor has it been there since the Civil War. "

Legislation did not cause slavery. It has existed since the beginning of time. It'd in the Bible it was in the Roman Empire it was/is in every society in one form or another even today. Sex slave traffic is booming around the world just 1 example.

Don't expect me a hard working white Irish man to give up my money through taxes to benefit a free handout of another race. You start from where you are and you pick yourself up and you get a job and improve your life. That's where I am coming from right at you and in your face and I'm not implying anything at all. Don't have time to waffle or beat around the bush.

You can get your categorical Harvard professor who knows nothing of what I have seen all day. Let me tell your simple mind what ive seen and know about personally. I've seen black soldiers in the military complaining of having to hard work when it was thier turn. They said "it's because I'm black" But the truth was it's because it's your turn to do it. It has nothing to do with race. But the Black soldiers and ALL NCO s know that if they get a race discrimination charge on the NCO record the NCO will never get promoted. The black soldiers use race to intimidate so they don't have to work. I've seen that personally. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I drove a mixer at one point after the service to pay the bills. I worked with hispanic people and some blacks and whites. My best friend Javier who is hispanic told me when I was going to go work for another mixer job in those hard ties me told me "If there are a lot of black people mixer drivers at your next job it will be an easy job because most black people won't stay at tough job. That's a Hispanic saying that. It's mostly true. But I've seen a lot of hard working black people too. But overall that's true. It's mostly Mexicans and whites that work the hardest jobs from what I've seen personally. So I know what I'm talking about.

I expect everyone to do thier fair share of work. Don't take my taxes for your race cause. You are perpetuating the race card in the workplace. Not whites and not Mexicans. Get to work and quit whining

And you know what we are all slaves now. There are actually no more countries. Just the rich in the form of corporations using governments to tax thier people inthier own particular fashion throughout the world to make other rich people rich internationally. TPP for example

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Oh well it's bible. So there the matter is settled. I'm not racist.

Oh yes, I know and work with 'some' blacks that aren't lazy. I'm not racist.

I didn't progress in the military because of blacks. I'm not racist.

I get my history leasons from a tv channel that also gives the history of aliens in ancient civilizations. I'm not racist.

Sorry my mistake truthless, I should have said raving racist.

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But, rs allen, you don't think that there are black racists, do you? You must think that "racism" is purely a white thing against others? And then, just what really constitutes being a "racist"... what? If you dare express your exasperation at a bunch of rioters who have made a martyr out of a criminal... and then loot and do a lot of property damage?... what? That's being a "racist"?

And then, there are the accusations from the black racists against the whites that whites are racists because of this or that reason.... even though it has nothing to do with race... it has to do with people that think they can get away with criminal activities and then use accusations of racism as an attempt to put psychologically shaming pressure upon any whites who dare see it as it is. It seems to me that what some blacks (need I remind you... a minority... a mere 1/7 of the population of the US) are really trying to do is to cause racial unrest so that they can weaken the resolve of law and order so that they can more easily get away with sh!t! Come on, admit it! There are a lot of black racists, aren't there? Is that why they are waging a racist war against us? Is that why they are doing all they can to cause racial disharmony?

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rs a lying Your are either a black racist or an advocate for black racism. You dont see people on an individual basis dangerous and responsible for their own behavior. You're not here for some serious debate. You're here to inflame. You use ishitty qnflammatory words like racist to inflame and your making shitty little comments to a tempt to invalidate the History Channel because it tells the truth and it disagrees with your fantasy political view. by repeating no you're not racist is a pathetic attempt rhetorical two ingredients what you said as if it were the truth but it's not

I never failed to get promoted in the service because of black people. but I saw that. and those blacks were racists.

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If the title didn't have the word black in it, then it would have been a little less obvious. Freudian slips can tell so much about a person.

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Admittedly #23 post falls well short of my best prose truthless, for some reason I was typing by just the light off of the monitor so it was a tough job to get out. I think I should have placed quotation marks around those little gems of thought so as to more properly attribute them to the thinker of them (perhaps the punctuation mavens could give me the correct form). As if it would matter to you though truthless, you wouldn't recognize a rhetorical instrument if it were a 2x4 that just whacked you in face.

#25 post by you though is priceless and worth the price of admission as far as I'm concerned. Nothing like having a good laugh first thing in the morning.

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RS a lying let me put this in terms you can understand since your not here to debate whether Thom should give all his money to poor black people since he cares so much about them. F*** Y** and I don't care what race you are. Your a dumb***. I obviously didn't have time to finish the post. My phones spellchecker misquoted my words. And I had to go to work. But your not here to discuss ideas anyhow. So F*** Y**.

I know so much more than you ever will about rhetorical devices are used for manipulation b****. You got it. Think? Of a 2×4 shoved up your @ss. Think? Of a 2×4 shoved up your @ss. Think? Of a 2×4 shoved up yor @ss.

There ya go bitch verbal language that communicates to your ignorant violent @ss

Truth2010
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Now what makes you think I'm a person of violence?

rs allen
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that's obvious to everyone but you. and you're not the subject of this thread.

Truth2010
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A whole lot simpler to just return the power to create money to a public institution, rather than private banks, and it would in fact be entirely practical to make poor black people, middle class black people. Letting private banks create 97% of our money supply is the greatest case of welfare in the history of human civilization, nothing else comes remotely close to it. The American revolution was fought over the inviolate right of the people to create our money supply - it was NOT fought over " a tax on tea".

positivemoney.org

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instant runoff voting that is very interesting concept can you provide evidence for this statement? "...The American revolution was fought over the inviolate right of the people to create our money supply - it was NOT fought over " a tax on tea"

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Examples:

"..While visiting England, Benjamin Franklin was asked how he accounted for the prosperous condition of the Colonies. His reply was: "That is simple. It is only because in the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called 'Colonial Scrip' - and we issue it in the proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry."

"..Soon that information was brought to the Rothschild's bank which coerced the English Parliament to pass a Bill providing that no Colony could issue its own money. Franklin said, "Within one year from that date the streets of the Colonies were filled with the unemployed."

".. Franklin later said that this was the original cause of the Revolutionary War. In his own language: "The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the Colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction."

publicbankinginstitute.org/

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Intresting I'd like to further investigate this. It makes sense

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Yes, if you want to create jobs, put people back to work, you need to issue new money directly where it will achieve that. Private banks create money each time they make a loan but they prefer loans that give them leverage over physical assets like companies, property, buildings, homes. That is NOT how you create jobs. That only makes the rich richer.

For instance Detroit, lots of poor blacks, unemployed, crumbling infrastructure. So pathetic they can't even supply water to the poor. You use a public bank to loan/create money at zero interest to small companies that will rebuild infrastructure in the poor neighbourhoods. Water, sewer, housing, roads etc. This supplies employment to the local residents, who thereupon have money to spend. The poor spend most on local goods & services that in turn create more jobs and local small business. The money multiplier effect. Since the new money directly creates goods & services & corresponding demand, it is not inflationary. That is the effective use of new money, not money created to allow the rich to buy out even more assets, Mitt Romney style, achieving nothing of any value.

Recently IMF Researcher Michael Kumhof at the London School of Economics gave a talk on "The Chicago Plan Revisited" and advocated an end to private money creation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhgpoHKtzk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3CmSBY3J8o

Chief economics commentator, Martin Wolf at the Financial Times recently advocated something similar: "Strip private banks of their power to create money".

http://positivemoney.org/2014/04/strip-private-banks-power-create-money-...

Monetary theorist Paul Grignon has a series of animated videos explaining our Debt Money system:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

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Well why not create Bernie dollars? To mimic the process ? To help invest and raise money for Bernie' campaign? It certainly would get national attention.

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Good citizens are using alternative currencies to create jobs & raise the destitute out of poverty. Banksters hate them and try to have the authorities shut them down if they get too significant. The huge unemployment catastophe in Greece has been mitigated by local groups creating their own currency. Digital currencies like Bitcoin hope to provide an alternative to Bankster debt money. I'm somewhat dubious that will become very significant. Best way is local communities make their own currency and hope to keep under the radar of the Feds, and you could indeed call your local currency "Bernie dollars".

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The "Bernies" would have to be created at the local community level? Or could Bernie dollars be created at Bernies national campaign level from the internet at a National level like the FDIC? For Bernies "invest in America" program at the same time raising money for Bernies campaign?

This would give Americans a return on thier investment in America through Bernies campaign? Not just a campaign contribution?

A campaign that strikes at the heart of the banking problem in America would be very powerful and trying to resolve the problem from outside the box instead of trying to resolve the problem inside the box of the broken sold out to corporations Democrat Republican system.

The American Revolution wasn't won by "playing nice" with the British inside thier banking box. Americans created thier own "colonial scrip". Bernies colonial scrip. Yeah let's reboot America.

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What could be more attractive than Bernies campaign saying "You invest in our Bernies and win or lose you get your money back. It's not just a campaign contribution its outside the boring Democrat/Republican box, because it's also an investment program. Invest in "made in USA".

I believe the corporate money has to be attacked head on. And if enough Americans Republican Democrat or whatever understood the real problem of banks and corporations destroying American that they would contribute and out spend collectively the Koch brothers. Look at the Koch brothers and corporate America as Pearl Harbor. They have awoken a sleeping giant. America's real "guns" are our dollars we have earned. The fighting motto should be "you can have my money when you pry it from my cold dead hands."

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The free press alone for taking on the banks head on would practically pay for The campaign. And people would begin to think "What problem with banks? I didn't know there is one". Then they begin to listen outside the Democrat/Republican Clinton Bush box. They begin to see the problems for what they are.

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