EPA turns river toxic

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Huge fines? Congressional investigations? Thousands of protesters? Cries for more government intervention?

Probably not.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill-irpt/inde...

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Before the EPA many mines were built in Colorado by various cpmpanies. They were mined out and then abandoned, leaving the toxic waste behind. They took the money and ran. This was Republican utopia. Small Government no regulation just take the money. This was also before OSHA or MISHA so no safety regulations to hinder with profits either. All was good for the CEO's and this is what the Republicans want to go back to. The EPA was there trying to do something about the mess that was left behind.

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Before the EPA many mines were built in Colorado by various cpmpanies. They were mined out and then abandoned, leaving the toxic waste behind. They took the money and ran.

where do you recommend is the best place to leave toxic waste?

This was Republican utopia. Small Government no regulation just take the money..

The waste was left on their property, not disturbing anyone else's environment until the EPA showed up.

This was also before OSHA or MISHA so no safety regulations to hinder with profits either. All was good for the CEO's and this is what the Republicans want to go back to. The EPA was there trying to do something about the mess that was left behind.

Why did something need to be done? Trash here is the same as trash somewhere else. What was wrong with where they left it, contained before the EPA showed up?

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A little research can help clear up many questions.

Quote Environmental Agency Uncorks Its Own Toxic Water Spill at Colorado Mine, Julie Turkewitz, New York Times, Aug. 10, 2015:

On the day of the accident, a team from the agency had been investigating an abandoned mine about 50 miles north of here. Called the Gold King, it is roughly 1.5 miles long and about 700 feet tall at its highest point. The mine had been abandoned for nearly a century, but between roughly 1890 and 1920 it produced 350,000 ounces of high-grade gold, according to its owner.

For years, the Gold King has leaked toxic water at a rate of 50 to 250 gallons a minute. The agency had planned to find the source of the leak in the hope of one day stanching it. Instead, as workers used a backhoe to hack at loose material, a surprise deluge of orange water ripped through, spilling into Cement Creek and flowing into the Animas. The burst did not injure workers.

In his first interview since the spill, the owner of the mine, Todd Hennis, said the spill was probably the fault of another mine company — the Sunnyside Gold Corporation — that had built retention walls inside an abandoned mine near the Gold King, part of an old cleanup agreement with the federal government. Once the Sunnyside mine filled with wastewater, the water probably spilled into the Gold King, and then into the Animas, Mr. Hennis said.

He urged Sunnyside’s parent company, the Kinross Gold Corporation, to clean up the mess. “They’ve got to step forward and be responsible,” he said of Kinross. A spokesman for Sunnyside, Larry Perino, said the company had no role in Gold King spill.

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Quote Maine:
Quote Legend:

Before the EPA many mines were built in Colorado by various cpmpanies. They were mined out and then abandoned, leaving the toxic waste behind. They took the money and ran.

where do you recommend is the best place to leave toxic waste?

This was Republican utopia. Small Government no regulation just take the money..

The waste was left on their property, not disturbing anyone else's environment until the EPA showed up.

This was also before OSHA or MISHA so no safety regulations to hinder with profits either. All was good for the CEO's and this is what the Republicans want to go back to. The EPA was there trying to do something about the mess that was left behind.

Why did something need to be done? Trash here is the same as trash somewhere else. What was wrong with where they left it, contained before the EPA showed up?

The problem it is not contained. It just slowly entered the system rather than a lot at one time. In your system we had rivers catching on fire, We had cities that you could not breath safely in. We had water that you could not drink. We still have problems with all of these but in an unregulated environment it would be much worse. I saw Los Angeles at its worse in the 60's. I remember aching lungs and burning eyes. Even though the population has probably more than trippled it is cleaner today. Your idea that it is perfectly contained and not hurting anyone because it was left there only shows ignorance.

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Their property?

Thrash is left for someone else to deal with. Nice.

Either now or later someone had to run into and deal with that garbage from a hundred years ago. There is no such a thing as 'storing' toxic elemental atomic elements no matter however it's tried. There is no such a thing as throwing anything away, get used to it.

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Most likely cause of the disaster was Obama put one of his lawyer buddies in charge, a patronage job like most of these government jobs are nowadays. Someone who made big donations and/or support to Obama's relection campaign. Just wouldn't do to put a team of fully qualified engineers in charge of the mine reclamation.

Obama has lawyers deciding how Nuclear Reactors should operate, lawyers figuring out how the complex electrical grid should be run and lawyers telling us the best way to reduce emissions. Dollars to donuts not one of those lawyers could fix a flat tire on a bicycle without a week long training course. Gotta remember how Bush had a horse lawyer buddy in charge of how to respond to Hurricane Katrina.

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Quote Legend:
Quote Maine:
Quote Legend:

Before the EPA many mines were built in Colorado by various cpmpanies. They were mined out and then abandoned, leaving the toxic waste behind. They took the money and ran.

where do you recommend is the best place to leave toxic waste?

This was Republican utopia. Small Government no regulation just take the money..

The waste was left on their property, not disturbing anyone else's environment until the EPA showed up.

This was also before OSHA or MISHA so no safety regulations to hinder with profits either. All was good for the CEO's and this is what the Republicans want to go back to. The EPA was there trying to do something about the mess that was left behind.

Why did something need to be done? Trash here is the same as trash somewhere else. What was wrong with where they left it, contained before the EPA showed up?

The problem it is not contained. It just slowly entered the system rather than a lot at one time. In your system we had rivers catching on fire, We had cities that you could not breath safely in. We had water that you could not drink.

uh no. That was all version 1 point Oh of *your* system. We've moved on to the slightly less destructive but highly bureaucratic version 2 point Oh of your system. And the results are only a little bit better, but at the cost of a lot of personal liberty.

We still have problems with all of these but in an unregulated environment it would be much worse.

all you need is one regulation, the super-regulation: absolute respect for property rights for all.

I saw Los Angeles at its worse in the 60's. I remember aching lungs and burning eyes. Even though the population has probably more than trippled it is cleaner today. Your idea that it is perfectly contained and not hurting anyone because it was left there only shows ignorance.

Well if it was bothering someone, they should've spoken up...and sued.

That's really the only question that needs to be asked. And all you need to do is hold people 100% responsible for their actions.

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Quote rs allen:

Their property?

Thrash is left for someone else to deal with. Nice.

Either now or later someone had to run into and deal with that garbage from a hundred years ago.

And so long as there is government, there will be a chain of ownership from now until then. Each owner being responsible, having bought the property as-is.

There is no such a thing as 'storing' toxic elemental atomic elements no matter however it's tried. There is no such a thing as throwing anything away, get used to it.

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Epa's contractor turned the river orange- nothing has died- This will turn out to be much ado about nothing.

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It is likely there will be no human deaths as a result, plant and animal deaths are inevitable. So in that sense worse than Fukushima, with no human or animal deaths. But nobody seems to say "much ado about nothing" about that incident.

There are high levels of cadmium, arsenic, lead, zinc and mercury in that orange water. Likely cyanide. Most of which are carcinogenic, all of which are toxic. Some of which will bioaccumulate. Levels are many thousands of times greater than maximum drinking water regulations. The toxins wil settle into the riverbed and be asborbed by plant and wildlife. So expensive cleanup and monitoring will be needed to mitigate the disaster. All well water will have to be sampled and sent to labs for testing. It may be necessary to ban consumption of livestock and produce in the region for many years into the future.

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The striking coloration has everyone excited- the story will fade as quickly as the water's coloration.

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see post #12. HAHAHAAHAHAHA

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