Gender Idiocy

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From Rod Dreher: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/nyc-hits-peak-gender-idiocy/

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Eugene Volokh reports that in NYC, the Human Rights Commission advises that you can be fined if you don’t refer to someone by the name and crackpot pronoun (“ze,” “hir”) that they prefer. How can you avoid trouble under the NYC Human Rights Law? Says the Commission:

"Covered entities may avoid violations of the NYCHRL by creating a policy of asking everyone what their preferred gender pronoun is so that no individual is singled out for such questions and by updating their systems to allow all individuals to self-identify their names and genders. They should not limit the options for identification to male and female only."

Oh for freak’s sake. Volokh is not having it:

"So people can basically force us — on pain of massive legal liability — to say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the political message associated with that term, and whether or not we think it’s a lie.

We have to use “ze,” a made-up word that carries an obvious political connotation (endorsement of the “non-binary” view of gender). We have to call people “him” and “her” even if we believe that people’s genders are determined by their biological sex and not by their self-perceptions — perceptions that, by the way, can rapidly change, for those who are “gender-fluid” — and that using terms tied to self-perception is basically a lie. (I myself am not sure whether people who are anatomically male, for example, but perceive themselves as female should be viewed as men or women; perhaps one day I’ll be persuaded that they should be viewed as women; my objection is to being forced to express that view.) We can’t be required to even display a license plate that says “Live Free or Die” on our car, if we object to the message; that’s what the court held in Wooley v. Maynard (1978). But New York is requiring people to actually say words that convey a message of approval of the view that gender is a matter of self-perception rather than anatomy, and that, as to “ze,” were deliberately created to convey that a message."

It’s much worse. If the patron of an establishment doesn’t comply with the law, the owner has to throw the patron out, on pain of having to pay a fine. And, according to the Commission’s guidance, it “can impose civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct.”

You know, liberal friends, next time you want to complain about how conservatives are the ones waging culture war, I want you to think about this.

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Thank you for posting this. Just so you know, not everybody on the Left has embraced trans ideology. Radical feminists question it, and are called TERFS for doing so, even receive death threats for doing so. And yes, I am being honest about that, I am not lying, no one seems willing to believe that male to trans individuals ever behave towards women in ways similar to those of violent men: "So people can basically force us — on pain of massive legal liability — to say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the political message associated with that term, and whether or not we think it’s a lie. - See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2016/05/gender-idiocy#sthash.JejRSdyx....

What feels heartbreaking and infuriating to me is that women could never even get an equal rights amendment passed, even with decades of activism and political aggitation. The trans agenda zooms ahead at light speed because it's being advanced by people with male privilege, both those who call themselves female and those gay men who sympathize (which is not all men). I call myself a woman NOT because I identify with my gender role in a positive way, but because I need that label to be able to SPEAK about my experience of having been FORCED into the subordinate gender role under male supremacy from the day I was born with a vagina. Laws like this criminalize women for having different opinions. I do not advocate violence against trans people, I never threaten violence against them (though, again, I have watched them threaten actual physical and sexual violence to born women who disagree with them) and I believe they have the same human rights as all humans, but I MUST be allowed to express political dissent and disagree with their agenda. I have OPINIONS. I should have free speech to say them. If women tried to ban men from using pornography in this way because it really does violate women's human rights, not like using some pronoun a person doesn't like, but like penetrating someone anally to the point that her body suffers permanent physical damage, women are told that's men's free speech. But I can't even have the free speech calling someone a "he" whom I don't accept as female? This is male privilege, so overt, so misogynist, and yet, people miss it because the men perpetrating it are in makeup and a dress.

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Too bad this transgenderism has been a distraction from the issues that affect most people like economic inequality-maybe that was the point. I see Caitlyn Jenner the spark for this lightspeed attention paid to this minor issue. The powers that be aren't concerned about social issues-it's all about the money and political power. Let the little people be distracted by men in dresses.

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Jonah Goldberg weighs in: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435634/global-warming-transgenders-liberals-deny-science-when-it-suits-them

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For starters, why are liberalism’s pet issues the lodestars of what constitutes scientific fact? Medical science informs us fetuses are human beings. The liberal response? “Who cares?” Genetically modified foods are safe, sayeth the scientists. “Shut up,” reply the liberal activists. IQ is partly heritable, the neuroscientists tell us. “Shut up, bigot,” the liberals shriek.

Which brings me to the raging hysteria over the plight of transgendered people who need to use the bathroom. The New York Times recently reported about A. J. Jackson’s travails in a Vermont high school. “There were practical issues,” Anemona Hartocollis writes. “When he had his period, he wondered if he should revert to the girls’ bathroom, because there was no place to throw away his used tampons.” Now, one can have sympathy for the transgendered – I certainly do – while simultaneously holding to the scientific fact that boys do not menstruate. This is a fact far more settled than the very best climate science. Perhaps it’s rude to say so, but facts do not cease to be facts simply because they offend.

In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio is pushing to fine businesses that do not address customers by their “preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.” The NYC Commission on Human Rights can penalize offenders up to $250,000.

Many liberals believe that “denying” climate science should be a criminal offense while also believing that denying biological science is a moral obligation. In the law, truth is a defense against the charge of slander, but for liberals, inconvenient truth is no defense against the charge of bigotry.

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Excer[ts from an article by Rod Dreher: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/zoe-lofgren-congressional-bigotry/

In a Congressional hearing yesterday concerning the Obama administration’s “guidance” that public schools have to let trans students use locker rooms, bathrooms, and so forth, or lose federal money, California Democrat Zoe Lofgren gives us a taste of what’s to come.

Lofgren criticized the submitted testimony of Gail Heriot, of the United States Commission on Civil Rights, who spoke as a witness during a Wednesday House Judiciary Committee hearing on regulatory overreach.

Heriot argued that trans people shouldn’t be accepted as the gender they identify with, saying, “If I believe that I am a Russian princess, that doesn’t make me a Russian princess, even if my friends and acquaintances are willing to indulge my fantasy.”

Lofgren was not having it.

“I’ve got to say, I found this rather offensive, and it says to me that the witness really doesn’t know anything and probably has never met a transgender child who is going through, in almost every case, a very difficult experience finding themselves,” Lofgren said.

“I think it’s very regrettable that comment was put into the record, and I think it’s highly offensive,” Lofgren added.

When Heriot tried to respond, Lofgren shut her down.

“I think you’re a bigot, lady, I think you are an ignorant bigot,” Lofgren said.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) halted Lofgren’s remarks, declaring her “out of order.” But the congresswoman didn’t back down from her criticism.

“We allow witnesses to say offensive things, but I cannot allow that kind of bigotry to go into the record unchallenged,” Lofgren said.

“Does that mean you think I am a Russian princess?” asked Heriot.

“I have no idea,” Lofgren responded.

Lofgren, plainly, is an ignorant bigot. Ignorant, because she professes agnosticism as to whether or not the witness sitting in front of her is a Russian princess, and a bigot because she believes any questioning of the trans dogma, even in the name of biological reality, is HATE.

Commissioner Heriot’s question to Lofgren, and Lofgren’s answer, makes a fool of Lofgren, and cuts to the heart of this madness. But Lofgren is today a hero on the left because of her ridiculous outburst. And unlike the witness, Zoe Lofgren is a Congresswoman. She has the power. And don’t you think for a minute that she and people like her, in legislative positions, in business, and in the media, won’t use it against anyone who disagrees.

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None of this is about trans rights.

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More lunacy......

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/radicalizing-kindergartner...

Beginning in Kindergarten, students will be taught about the many ways to express gender. Gender expression education will include information about the manifestations of traits that are typically associated with one gender. Crossdressing is one form of gender expression.

Third graders will be introduced to the concept of gender identity. These children will be taught that they can choose their own gender.

Fourth graders will be expected to “define sexual orientation,” which refers to whether a person identifies as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual; they’ll also be taught about HIV prevention. Children in fourth grade will be told that they can choose their sexual orientation.

Fourth and fifth graders will learn about the relativity of gender roles and why such roles are social constructs that are not inherent to who we are as male or female human beings.

Seventh graders will be expected to “distinguish between biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.”

High school students will critically “evaluate how culture, media, society, and other people influence our perceptions of gender roles, sexuality, relationships, and sexual orientation.”

This is incredible. The public schools in the state of Washington will deliberately demolish family, sex, and gender norms, starting in kindergarten. And notice that they’re smuggling in a radical moral agenda under the neutral language of health and wellness.

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More lunacy......

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/radicalizing-kindergartner...

Beginning in Kindergarten, students will be taught about the many ways to express gender. Gender expression education will include information about the manifestations of traits that are typically associated with one gender. Crossdressing is one form of gender expression.

Third graders will be introduced to the concept of gender identity. These children will be taught that they can choose their own gender.

Fourth graders will be expected to “define sexual orientation,” which refers to whether a person identifies as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual; they’ll also be taught about HIV prevention. Children in fourth grade will be told that they can choose their sexual orientation.

Fourth and fifth graders will learn about the relativity of gender roles and why such roles are social constructs that are not inherent to who we are as male or female human beings.

Seventh graders will be expected to “distinguish between biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.”

High school students will critically “evaluate how culture, media, society, and other people influence our perceptions of gender roles, sexuality, relationships, and sexual orientation.”

This is incredible. The public schools in the state of Washington will deliberately demolish family, sex, and gender norms, starting in kindergarten. And notice that they’re smuggling in a radical moral agenda under the neutral language of health and wellness.

Another culture war this one trying to take out schools which is one of the last powerful unions

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Not take out schools...take out the lunacy and the lunatics apparently running this asylum.

The public schools should just go ahead and do away with the Title IX requirements right now. There are already cases being reported where boys who claim to be female are competing against girls/women of the same age group.

Its madness.

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Quote Coalage1:

More lunacy......

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/radicalizing-kindergartner...

Beginning in Kindergarten, students will be taught about the many ways to express gender. Gender expression education will include information about the manifestations of traits that are typically associated with one gender. Crossdressing is one form of gender expression.

Third graders will be introduced to the concept of gender identity. These children will be taught that they can choose their own gender.

Fourth graders will be expected to “define sexual orientation,” which refers to whether a person identifies as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual; they’ll also be taught about HIV prevention. Children in fourth grade will be told that they can choose their sexual orientation.

Fourth and fifth graders will learn about the relativity of gender roles and why such roles are social constructs that are not inherent to who we are as male or female human beings.

Seventh graders will be expected to “distinguish between biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation.”

High school students will critically “evaluate how culture, media, society, and other people influence our perceptions of gender roles, sexuality, relationships, and sexual orientation.”

This is incredible. The public schools in the state of Washington will deliberately demolish family, sex, and gender norms, starting in kindergarten. And notice that they’re smuggling in a radical moral agenda under the neutral language of health and wellness.

Another culture war this one trying to take out schools which is one of the last powerful unions

When I was a fat kid 14yrs old avoided locker room kids got swirled in regular bathrooms to this day think communal showers think r strange anywhere. The answer might be just private everything to move forward. After I left highschool a kid privates were ducktaped in a locker room there. These place r not really safe to start with.

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And the beat goes on in oregon: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/06/oregon_court_allows_person_to.html

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An Oregon judge ruled Friday that a transgender person can legally change their sex to "non-binary" rather than male or female in what legal experts believe is a first in the United States.

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Amy Holmes Hehn legally changed 52-year-old Jamie Shupe's sex from "female" to non-binary.

Shupe, an Army veteran who retired in 2000 a sergeant first class, began transitioning in 2013 while living in Pittsburg. Shupe knew then that neither male nor female fit. Shupe chose "Jamie" as a new first name primarily because it is a gender-neutral name. Shupe prefers to be called "Jamie," rather than by a pronoun.

"I was assigned male at birth due to biology," Shupe said. "I'm stuck with that for life. My gender identity is definitely feminine. My gender identity has never been male, but I feel like I have to own up to my male biology. Being non-binary allows me to do that. I'm a mixture of both. I consider myself as a third sex."

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Has it ever occurred to all you folks locked into these "angels on the head of a pin" arguments, that the basic meaning of freedom is to not have anyone care what you are and what you do, so long as it does not hurt anyone else? And most important for this discussion, if you accept this core definition, you need to remember the knife cuts both ways. It also means you don't get to go around beating up other people because you unilaterally now define something as injurious to you.

Instead, you first have to ask for the agreement of everyone before they can rationally or ethically be expected to abide by your new request. And in this country, the majority rules, unless you get a law passed or take it to the Supreme Court and win. Otherwise, you are imposing on the rights of others to not care about what you are and what you do. To further make the point, suppose I got a group of people together in a small city council meeting and we unilaterally declared the terms "ze" and "hir" as labels that promote discrimination?

Now there is an additional level to this discussion that also needs to be clearly understood. Freedom also means the right to choose to not only care about but even celebrate what others are and what they do. Usually such choices are based on the really great things such people contribute to our society as a whole or to us as individuals. The operative idea here is "choose to care." You can't force someone to care about you. It's an inherent implication of being free.

In a healthy society, at our very best, we teach our kids to choose to care for those around them and to support and celebrate their contributions to our collective well-being. At the other extreme, when our training sadly fails, we punish individuals who purposely and knowingly choose to injure others by doing things we commonly agree to be injurious.

I am sorry if this analysis of what freedom means offends someone's newly invented sensitivities, but you have never so much as asked for my agreement that those sensitivities are real. Also, on this particular day, compared to a real world horror like Orlando Pulse, such ventures into artificial evils seem especially silly.

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Quote Coalage1:

An Oregon judge ruled Friday that a transgender person can legally change their sex to "non-binary" rather than male or female in what legal experts believe is a first in the United States.

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Amy Holmes Hehn legally changed 52-year-old Jamie Shupe's sex from "female" to non-binary.

This goes to the crux of the confusion surrounding this issue.

"Sex," or one's anatomical identity at birth, will always be binary, either male or female, with the exception of hermaphrodites, that is, unless a person has a sex operation, in compliance with the binary system, to fit the anatomy of the opposite sex from the one he or she manifested at birth. Sex identity is not a spectrum. You don't have a range of male to female with lots of variations in between. (unless you want to count transsexuals as a third and fourth sex. I don't consider that a spectrum, however.)

"Gender," or one's identification with either of the societally-defined "feminine" or "masculine" characteristics, CAN BE "NON-BINARY," or some expression along the spectrum of gender. In other words, gender is naturally non-binary, unless we're looking at the way culture tries to make it binary, as in the social imperative requiring boys/men to be uber "masculine" and girls/women to be uber "feminine." Most people don't fit that social imperative.

It's going to be a good day, when "masculine" women and girls, and "feminine" men and boys can use the restrooms of their sex identity, without being bullied by the "normals," and without feeling ugly, or abnormal, or weird, or in the wrong place in the wrong body.

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Where does this stop, or does it ever stop? Are we, as a society, supposed to accomodate the wishes of every person who claims a "special" need when they otherwise seem fine?

For example, from now on, when I drive my car, I want all the other drivers to stay at least 100 feet away from me because I get nervous around a lot of traffic. Its just not fair to me that I have to endure this form of agony when i drive. Better still, I want a whole new lane built on all the United States highways just so I can have my own lane to drive in. Yeah, that is a much better solution. My own personal driving lane...just for me wherever I go in this great big country. Thanks everyone...I'm sure you won't mind this one little accomodation to help me out.

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Let me get this right, you choose today when we are just now getting the names of those that died in Orlando to attack transgender friendly rules? Are you completely insensitive?

I don't know about these rules, but I was active in the LGBT movement in the 70's and early 80's and the kind of violence that was aimed at what were then called, "drag queens," "cross dresser" and "obviously" gay men was disgusting. Almost equally vile was the violence aimed at the "butchy" lesbians. I mean it was extremely ugly time consuming torture often involving beatings, rape, and strange things being shoved in various orifices. The only acts I can compare those attacks to, is some of the reports I have read on lynching in the last 25 years of the 19th century and the first 25 years of the 20th.

The worst problems often occurred around the use of bathrooms and in high school.

It is so wonderful that the whole world seems to be turning against this kind of violence. If these turn out to be stupid or unworkable rules, they'll be changed, but let's at least celebrate the world becoming more sensitive.

Especially, this week.

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How come you're not sensitive to my situation? And of course, it is now 2016, not the 1970's or '80s. When are you going to lead the charge in your state to have an extra driving lane added to the roads so that all the "Nervous Nellies" out there can drive in peace? I just know a former activist like yourself would like to lead the charge for this much needed accomodation.

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Yes, no question about it, if we're going to be a truly caring and inclusive society, no female-to-male trans can be refused health insurance for prostate cancer...

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Quote Helen Willis:

Let me get this right, you choose today when we are just now getting the names of those that died in Orlando to attack transgender friendly rules? Are you completely insensitive?

Are you, then, completely unable to intellectually and emotionally deal with more than one issue at a time? If so, in which bubble do you live?

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Quote Coalage1:

How come you're not sensitive to my situation? And of course, it is now 2016, not the 1970's or '80s. When are you going to lead the charge in your state to have an extra driving lane added to the roads so that all the "Nervous Nellies" out there can drive in peace? I just know a former activist like yourself would like to lead the charge for this much needed accomodation.

dude u should teach a course in straw man arguement. Its the supreme court who makes judgements on such issues! It doesnt matter your personal views the judiciary branch governs this. They decide were it ends! Half the time you come across as a libertarian if u are one well here is you rule by courts you love so much!

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Are you claiming that violence towards LGBT community is not still a problem?

Personally, I favor encouraging as much as possible having as many as possible single/family one toilet bathrooms. They save a father from having to send his 8 year old girl into a woman's room he can't check out before hand and the mom from having to send her 8 year old boy alone into an unknown men's room. Moreover, if as many as possible are family style, one toilet, bathroom then Dads will have access to diaper changing tables. These would also be far more comfortable for persons with colostomies, catheter, injuries to private parts and other conditions that make more public toileting embarrassing.

Finally, someplace around 1% of the population is intersex. Biological they are someplace between male and female and family style one toilet bathrooms save them from being forced into making an inherently untruthful choice.

Like I said I don't know about these rules, but I do think that society is heading in the right directions on these issues. The rules will improve with time.

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After the Trans people, what other aggrieved group will be next? I still want my separate driving lane just for me. It might be a little expensive, but so what? My happiness and self esteem is the main issue here and you cannot put a price on that.

And Dude...when are you going to get on board with this important rights issue? Its obvious that we as a society must accomodate every request by all of the different factions out there. Its the right thing to do.

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And Dude.....when are you going to get on board with the fact that you have had your own separate driving lane for the last umpteen years?

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Is it one of those lanes marked with numbers that aren't speed limits?

the atlantic.com/magazine/the-war-on-stupid-people in lanes marked with IQ scores.

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Heck if I know Doug. I'm only a pedestrian.

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Pedestrian myself, and biker and we have bike lanes...but, re:IQ prejudice

more companies are testing applicants on a range of skills, judgment, and knowledge. CEB, one of the world’s largest providers of hiring assessments, evaluates more than 40 million job applicants each year. The number of new hires who report having been tested nearly doubled from 2008 to 2013, says CEB. To be sure, many of these tests scrutinize personality and skills, rather than intelligence. But intelligence and cognitive-skills tests are popular and growing more so. In addition, many employers now ask applicants for SAT scores (whose correlation with IQ is well established); some companies screen out those whose scores don’t fall in the top 5 percent. Even the NFL gives potential draftees a test, the Wonderlic.
Top 5% IQ is 125+.

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We need a whole separate new lane just for us "Nervous Nellies". If you have never experienced driver/traffic anxiety then you just don't understand the issue.

Like this poor driver......"The traffic to New Jersey, was diverted for hours after the tractor-trailer overturned on Route 495. After four hours, the lanes reopened. However, due to the traffic jam, a man had a panic attack in the tunnel. He abandoned his vehicle and walked out of the tunnel in New Jersey. The New Jersey bound lanes were again shut down as police were investigating the incident. After 5 hours, all lanes were reopened."

Now if the states of NJ and NY had just built a separate tunnel and traffic lanes for the "NN" contingent, none of that would have ever happened. Now that poor driver will probably have to sue NY and NJ because they destroyed his peace of mind and probably shattered his confidence. Sad...

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We need a whole separate new lane just for us "Nervous Nellies". If you have never experienced driver/traffic anxiety then you just don't understand the issue.

Like this poor driver......"The traffic to New Jersey, was diverted for hours after the tractor-trailer overturned on Route 495. After four hours, the lanes reopened. However, due to the traffic jam, a man had a panic attack in the tunnel. He abandoned his vehicle and walked out of the tunnel in New Jersey. The New Jersey bound lanes were again shut down as police were investigating the incident. After 5 hours, all lanes were reopened."

Now if the states of NJ and NY had just built a separate tunnel and traffic lanes for the "NN" contingent, none of that would have ever happened. Now that poor driver will probably have to sue NY and NJ because they destroyed his peace of mind and probably shattered his confidence. Sad...

I think you need to invite christ into your driving seat here. Learn to stop spewing so much hate onto these threads!

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Don't know Doug, I've always declined to pay the toll on that highway. The price was too high, or at least it always seemed so to me.

Yeah that's the ticket Todd, coal-cartage needs a Jesus to carry with him......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRVK1FzC_Wk

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A lifesize Jesus could get you in the HOV lane, the best for your condition.

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A lifesize Jesus could get you in the HOV lane, the best for your condition.

who is this in referance too?

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Coalage, btw, get a cowboy hat for the full size Jesus if you want to use the HOV lane..

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Jesus was a hippy so make sure its a straw cowboy hat not a real one. The guy road donkeys not horses!

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So let's be honest with ourselves and not take ourselves too serious, and never condemn the other fellow for doing what we are doing every day, only in a different way.

Will Rogers
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Wait! Wait! If we're supposed to be trying to take Christmas away, so I've got to object to the open display of that saint. Sorry coal-carriage no Jesus for you.

Hell, just have to carry your blankie with you where ever.

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No HOV lane. Thats for other drivers. We got to have our own lane, our own bridges, our own tunnels, etc.

Whats the problem? We are an aggrieved segment of society and we deserve to have our issues solved. We deserve to have laws passed and have the force of government to enforce them. I would have thought the members and posters on this forum would have understood this better than most.

What are you people? NervousNellieaphobes?

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What the hell...

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The only nelliephobe I have is that all you f'ks are carrying guns. How much wider do you want the highway you already own to be?

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Quote Helen Willis:

Personally, I favor encouraging as much as possible having as many as possible single/family one toilet bathrooms.

That would be nice, Helen, but you know it isn’t practical and won’t be the solution to the problem.

Many lefties object to the concerns expressed by conservatives, by focusing on the dubious beliefs underlying those concerns, that is, the idea that MTF trans “women” using women’s restrooms and locker rooms threaten the safety of girls and women. What seems to get lost there is the threat that heterosexual, biological males have been known to pose for women and girls, generally speaking, which is one of the reasons women and girls need male-restrictive places in which to do their private business. In fact, I am not convinced that FTM “men” do not take a bigger risk, trying to do their private business among heterosexual males, whether it’s to relieve themselves or change or shower. Seems to me that some guys couldn’t care less about an individual’s self-chosen gender identity— an obvious biological female showering naked in the same room would be a challenge, if you know what I mean. And that's especially true if we're talking about college or military dorms.

Don’t know, but take a look at this FTM person and see if you think s/he’s going to be safe showering with heterosexual men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tWuWcwAf3U

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In terms of bathroom, the only rapes I have actually heard of were boys too old to go in the woman's room with their momma, women who found a heterosexual rapist hiding in a deserted women's room, and gay men by supposedly straight thugs. I would think making men traning to women go into men's rooms could be extremely dangerous for them.

I like encouraging family one toilet bathrooms. Beyond that I would let people use the bathroom they feel is safest. I can suport the mother of a autistic or developmentally delayed 16 year old boy taking him in the woman's room.

What we should punish is people doing bad things in bathroom, not people who are using them because they need to urinate.

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Quote Helen Willis:

In terms of bathroom, the only rapes I have actually heard of were boys too old to go in the woman's room with their momma, women who found a heterosexual rapist hiding in a deserted women's room, and gay men by supposedly straight thugs.

I do believe you’re not seeing the whole picture, Helen.

Here’s your basic refutation: Transgender female, 15, suffers beating and gang sexual assault by male students in California school bathroom — reports on a horrific attack inflicted on a female student today by a pack of male students who beat and sexually assaulted her in a male high school bathroom.

And that’s not the only one. I just don’t have time to research all the cases for you.

Just please understand that it might be safer for a FTM transgendered individual to use the bathroom of her birth sex, given that women are more likely to merely verbally bully a very “butch female,” if any abuse happens at all, rather than physically beat or rape her. Usually though, women and girls just ignore “masculine” females in their midsts, mainly because “masculine” females do not do a whole lot of raping of biological females, and it has always been quite normal to see a variety of gender expressions among females, so it’s no big deal.

Wouldn’t it be nice, if men could be as accepting of other males in their midst who don’t fit uber masculine norms? That way, effeminate, biological men could feel safe using the public restrooms and locker rooms of the sex they were born with, that is to say, the men’s room. THAT’S THE CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, not a change that forces women to ignore their natural fears of biological men invading their intimate public spaces.

Does it ever occur to trans advocates that their cause sets aside biological women’s rights and sensitivities, women who are raped and abused at far higher rates that trans persons are? Mostly, what you see are MTF trans “women” getting their rights upheld at the expense of the rights of women, that is, “men and boys” being more important than women and girls. So what else is new?

http://crimefeed.com/2016/03/trans-woman-raped-inside-bathroom-historic-...

Did you watch the video I posted earlier?

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I would think making men traning to women go into men's rooms could be extremely dangerous for them.


Does “men traning to women” mean MTF transgenders? It gets so confusing…

Anyway, sure, it might be dangerous for them, or might not, although a biological male, even with female hormones, at least might be strong enough to present a threat to a would-be attacker. However, why do biological females have to take care of trans "women's" feelings, putting aside their own needs for security and well-being? Why do women always have to put their needs second next to biological males? Do you ask yourself that?

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Too all the people out there have you ever in your adult life gone in the opposite sexed bathroom? Ever?

If so did the sky open up and Jesus come flying down or the sea turn to blood? Nope?! So you using the opposite bathroom did not start the Apocalypse?

It wasn't the end of the world really?

Maybe than this thing not the huge issue your making it out to being.

So maybe the like a super easy solution like no mre communal batrooms!

Seriously chill the f out already!

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Tell me about your vision for "communal" restrooms, Todd. For one thing, would they include a line of urinals along a wall?

It's not a rhetorical question; I'd really like to know.

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Quote Zenzoe:

Tell me about your vision for "communal" restrooms, Todd. For one thing, would they include a line of urinals along a wall?

It's not a rhetorical question; I'd really like to know.

i more than likely used the wrong word, not sure what you call bathrooms with many stalls, etc. I argued that jn this day and age with the sex scandal abuses in schools. The lockerooms open shower area etc where an adult man like teacher can watch or abuse kids. Like the couch who molested kids for years. That the real solution is to have private everything. So all male or all female communal showers, bathrooms, changing area etc should be gone. How many perverts watch young people in changing rooms for pools or like the Y etc?

You want to rant about transgender people what about fact of true abuses in these places as they r set up right now. Everything should just be private that the solution here.

I grasp i wrote that wrong so u being twit thought i was argueing for the opposite of this but sorry. You people need to stop being such idiots, kids have been raped in bathrooms but u rant about trans this side is so stupid!

You the same side who ralley against planned Parenthood because of a faked video. You only address an issue if it offend you in some way. You ignore the poor, the starving, the abused, the miss understood until some jack arse rants about stupidity on the radio.

You than come to attack the other, which here is open-minded educated people on this forum..

I am a progressive because of its historical track record. We looking back are always right about every issue in history period the end. Thats just a fact! Progressives are the only group to have 100% track record since the enlightenment. So now there might be a trans kid in a bathroom or whatever. Stop being the stupidest group grasp the solution is no more same sex communal lockerooms bathrooms showers in public schools the end!

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Sorry, Todd, but I can't make sense of your writing. Perhaps if you tried following standard grammar and composition rules, we could communicate. As it is, I don't have the patience to decipher your meanings.

One thing I am picking up, however, is that you think I am a conservative. I am far from it. I am a life-long progressive; pro-choice and voted for Bernie Sanders, etc., etc., so you might try reading what I have to say with an open mind. Not all people who find problems with trans ideology are conservatives.

I asked you about urinals. I do not see that word mentioned once in any of your "paragraphs." Want to try again, this time addressing my question?

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Quote Zenzoe:

Sorry, Todd, but I can't make sense of your writing. Perhaps if you tried following standard grammar and composition rules, we could communicate. As it is, I don't have the patience to decipher your meanings.

One thing I am picking up, however, is that you think I am a conservative. I am far from it. I am a life-long progressive; pro-choice and voted for Bernie Sanders, etc., etc., so you might try reading what I have to say with an open mind. Not all people who find problems with trans ideology are conservatives.

I asked you about urinals. I do not see that word mentioned once in any of your "paragraphs." Want to try again, this time addressing my question?

could careless im dylexic and typing on a tablet you anal tool. So sick of grammer facist. The world can read misspelled words if you dont like how i type dont read my replies! You type A's always try this crap thing too win arguements.

Im dylexic if don't like it don't read my posts period the end.

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Quote Zenzoe:

Sorry, Todd, but I can't make sense of your writing. Perhaps if you tried following standard grammar and composition rules, we could communicate. As it is, I don't have the patience to decipher your meanings.

One thing I am picking up, however, is that you think I am a conservative. I am far from it. I am a life-long progressive; pro-choice and voted for Bernie Sanders, etc., etc., so you might try reading what I have to say with an open mind. Not all people who find problems with trans ideology are conservatives.

I asked you about urinals. I do not see that word mentioned once in any of your "paragraphs." Want to try again, this time addressing my question?

P.s. i will make it simple for you personal and private bathrooms, no more lockerooms and huge communal showers it is stupid. It is a liability for schools people have been raped in these places! They are not safe to start with in schools period the end.

Stop being an as$hole to dylexic people online! Do not bother replying to me. I will ignore any posts from you in the future!

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https://www.google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&site=&source=hp&q=if+yo...

Sites like the one above prove if your smart enough you can read things misspelled etc! So if you can't your not that bright and on behalf of all dyslexics out there who people like you hurt. Grasp this! My IQ is still 165 what's yours! Stop being a douchebag dylexic people are born different not stupid!

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Quote Toddedyer:

... Learn to stop spewing so much hate onto these threads!

Really? Seems to me you're the one spewing all the hate, judging by your last three comments.

Dyslexia is not an excuse to write incoherently. If it were, these authors wouldn't have been able to write as brilliantly as they did.

I don't try to write clearly because I'm a "type A," which I doubt I am, btw. I like to put my thoughts before others so as not to cause confusion; if you don't like what I say, it won't be because I didn't make myself clear enough. Apparently, you don't care if you confuse the reader, and nobody has any idea what you're trying to say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-on_sentence

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Quote Zenzoe:
Quote Toddedyer:

... Learn to stop spewing so much hate onto these threads!

Really? Seems to me you're the one spewing all the hate, judging by your last three comments.

Dyslexia is not an excuse to write incoherently. If it were, these authors wouldn't have been able to write as brilliantly as they did.

I don't try to write clearly because I'm a "type A," which I doubt I am, btw. I like to put my thoughts before others so as not to cause confusion; if you don't like what I say, it won't be because I didn't make myself clear enough. Apparently, you don't care if you confuse the reader, and nobody has any idea what you're trying to say.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-on_sentence

One in five people are dylexic I being rude to you so learn to not be rude and arrogant to them! I have a huge ego i could careless what u think of me! Unlike many dylexics i can reread things like five times and catch my mistake. Grasp this, the anger you have for me, is something you clearly caused to someone like me. So call me karma and stop tearing into people like arogant type As do! Many dylexics are horribly ashamed of it and feel humiliated when others point it out online. Most just stop posting! People like you silence their voices. So sorry, it my obligation to them, to point this out and rudely because you were rude even if you're blind too see it!

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We're mostly progressives here.......

I vote we give dyslexics their own lane, no no wait, I vote they get their very own entire highway system along with all the directions and cautions written by them. No need for any lanes. Aah heck, why even use any directions or cautions it'd just be a waste of time and materials.

Eh, now where'd I put that plastic Jesus? I'll probably need it.

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Guys would not mind a naked female in the same shower (as long as the water was hot).

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