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Carl-Fredrik Arndt and Peter Jonsson: Heroes in the Seaweed of Rape Culture

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There are heroes in the seaweed, as Leonard Cohen tells us enigmatically, but they also appear in the most plain and ugly of places, say, passing by a dumpster, noticing a rape in progress, then saying to the rapist, “What the hell are you doing?” Not only that, when the worm of a perpetrator runs off, like the coward he is, one hero chases after him, while the other checks the victim to see if she is breathing. The two heroes then hold onto criminal, until the police arrive. I do believe that's what real men do.

By the way, these two heroes belong to a growing hero demographic. Let's cheer for that:

...something actively good is coming out of this horrible incident and it’s worth celebrating; young men are rejecting the idea sexual assault can in any way be excused or minimised because the perpetrator was drunk, or for any other reason.

A moving Facebook post by Illinois man, Matt Lang, is going viral as increasing numbers of good men (like those many of us are currently raising) express their anger with Turner and rapists generally.

They are taking no excuses for rape.

[From Matt’s FB page:]

I've been drunk many times, even in the presence of "promiscuous" women and men who were also drunk, and I managed not to rape them, so I don't think drinking and promiscuity are the problems.

This here is the problem: some guys are entitled pricks, and they're entitled pricks because their fathers and coaches and friends taught them to be entitled pricks. Because they are entitled pricks, they think they can have whatever they want, and that their worth is defined by what they have and what they take.

Alcohol has this capacity to unlock what, deep down, we've always wanted to do. For me, that means, occasionally, running naked in places I probably shouldn't, like through libraries or deserts (remember for next time: deserts=cactuses). But even at my most intoxicated, I've never lost sight of the fact that rape is wrong, because I was raised to know it's wrong. No amount of alcohol can depress that value.

Brock Turner and his ilk were never taught that. They were taught that they can have what they want, when they want, including women. And that's called being a man. Brock Turner thought he was entitled to a little "action" any way he could get it, and he thought that long before he got drunk. The alcohol didn't introduce that thought, it unlocked it. That thought: "I can take whatever I want, including her", was planted and watered by a whole, rotten village.

For the sake of our girls, we need to teach our boys better. We need to love them and tell them about the dignity of the body, and how to live through disappointment, and how to navigate confusing feelings, and how to understand those feelings and how to separate feelings from action, and how to communicate and listen. We need to redefine for our boys what it is to be a man so that they know their worth doesn't come from that which they have and take.

For the sake of our boys, we need to teach them better. Boys and men have nothing to lose from this. Indeed, we only make gains when we learn how to live as complete and complicated people living in healthy relationships with other complete and complicate people.

Meet the Law Professor Leading a Bid to Recall the Judge Who Sentenced Stanford Rapist to 6 Months

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I also wouldn't want anyone to miss Joe Biden's open letter to the Stanford sexual assault survivor:

Quote Joe Biden:

I do not know your name—but your words are forever seared on my soul. Words that should be required reading for men and women of all ages.

Words that I wish with all of my heart you never had to write.

I am in awe of your courage for speaking out—for so clearly naming the wrongs that were done to you and so passionately asserting your equal claim to human dignity.

And I am filled with furious anger—both that this happened to you and that our culture is still so broken that you were ever put in the position of defending your own worth.

It must have been wrenching—to relive what he did to you all over again. But you did it anyway, in the hope that your strength might prevent this crime from happening to someone else. Your bravery is breathtaking.

You are a warrior—with a solid steel spine.

I do not know your name—but I know that a lot of people failed you that terrible January night and in the months that followed.

Anyone at that party who saw that you were incapacitated yet looked the other way and did not offer assistance. Anyone who dismissed what happened to you as “just another crazy night.” Anyone who asked “what did you expect would happen when you drank that much?” or thought you must have brought it on yourself.

You were failed by a culture on our college campuses where one in five women is sexually assaulted—year after year after year. A culture that promotes passivity. That encourages young men and women on campuses to simply turn a blind eye.

The statistics on college sexual assault haven’t gone down in the past two decades. It’s obscene, and it’s a failure that lies at all our feet.

And you were failed by anyone who dared to question this one clear and simple truth: Sex without consent is rape. Period. It is a crime.

I do not know your name—but thanks to you, I know that heroes ride bicycles.

Those two men who saw what was happening to you—who took it upon themselves to step in—they did what they instinctually knew to be right.

They did not say “It’s none of my business.”

They did not worry about the social or safety implications of intervening, or about what their peers might think.

Those two men epitomize what it means to be a responsible bystander.

To do otherwise—to see an assault about to take place and do nothing to intervene—makes you part of the problem.

Like I tell college students all over this country—it’s on us. All of us.

We all have a responsibility to stop the scourge of violence against women once and for all.

I do not know your name – but I see your unconquerable spirit.

I see the limitless potential of an incredibly talented young woman—full of possibility. I see the shoulders on which our dreams for the future rest.

I see you.

You will never be defined by what the defendant’s father callously termed “20 minutes of action.”

His son will be.

I join your global chorus of supporters, because we can never say enough to survivors: I believe you. It is not your fault.

What you endured is never, never, never, NEVER a woman’s fault.

And while the justice system has spoken in your particular case, the nation is not satisfied.

And that is why we will continue to speak out.

We will speak to change the culture on our college campuses—a culture that continues to ask the wrong questions: What were you wearing?

Why were you there? What did you say? How much did you drink?

Instead of asking: Why did he think he had license to rape?

We will speak out against those who seek to engage in plausible deniability. Those who know that this is happening, but don’t want to get involved. Who believe that this ugly crime is “complicated.”

We will speak of you—you who remain anonymous not only to protect your identity, but because you so eloquently represent “every woman.”

We will make lighthouses of ourselves, as you did—and shine.

Your story has already changed lives.

You have helped change the culture.

You have shaken untold thousands out of the torpor and indifference towards sexual violence that allows this problem to continue.

Your words will help people you have never met and never will.

You have given them the strength they need to fight.

And so, I believe, you will save lives.

I do not know your name—but I will never forget you.

The millions who have been touched by your story will never forget you.

And if everyone who shared your letter on social media, or who had a private conversation in their own homes with their daughters and sons, draws upon the passion, the outrage, and the commitment they feel right now the next time there is a choice between intervening and walking away—then I believe you will have helped to change the world for the better.

Regarding the letter written by the victim and read in court, I do wonder whether any enumeration of traumas by victims of rape and sexual assault, any victim statement to perpetrators, has any effect on the guilty party other than further enjoyment of their crime. I know that sounds harsh. But, after all, if they had the capacity for empathy and compassion for women, they would not have committed the rape in the first place. Instead, part of the satisfaction in the ritual of rape and sexual assault is in inflicting damage, degradation and harm. The victim, in her statement, may be simply fulfilling that sadism. I can hear it now— "LOL! Oh waaah, poor baby..." from the frat bros. Just a thought.

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httThe judge has no problem with domestic abuse either IOW no problem for the victim just_before_giving_stanford_rapist_6

These are the judges McConnel wants to appoint and why all the vacancies Obama has submitted qualified candidates for have not been filled. Mitch says he might not ever fill the 9th seat on SCOTUS. The vacancies slow the courts and thus stretch out the time the corporations' have for appeal or before a court date and it gets more expensive.

When Hilary gets in with a filibuster proof senate, the judgeships may finally be filled. If for soe reason Thomas was bumped off, a 7 seat court with a liberal majority,might hear all kinds of back logged cases. IOW, the country would be much better off if Thomas duplicated Scalia one more time, physically instead of orally.

Those bible belt states think spousal abuse is a divine act.

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The two that chased and held the assailant were Swedish grad students. Swedes don't accept rape as normal, it's a cultural thing.

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httThe judge has no problem with domestic abuse either IOW no problem for the victim just_before_giving_stanford_rapist_6


Thanks for that, Doug! I hadn’t seen that second part of the interview. This is amazing:

Quote Democracy Now:

Right before sentencing Stanford rapist Brock Allen Turner to six months in county jail, Judge Aaron Persky presided over a domestic violence case, where the abuser was also dealt a light sentence. Stanford law professor Michele Landis Dauber watched as the victim in that case made a powerful statement to the court and showed photos of her abuse. "She had been beaten so badly that she was completely unrecognizable. ... the photos were almost impossible to look at," recalls Dauber, who is leading an effort to recall Persky. "[Her abuser] got like a weekend or two in jail." Even then, Dauber says, Judge Persky was concerned the man might not be able to make it to work on Monday after his jail term. "We all had to sit there while they tried to communicate with the county jail to make sure that he wouldn’t be super-inconvenienced by having to go to jail for having basically almost beaten this woman to death," Dauber says.


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These are the judges McConnel wants to appoint and why all the vacancies Obama has submitted qualified candidates for have not been filled. Mitch says he might not ever fill the 9th seat on SCOTUS. The vacancies slow the courts and thus stretch out the time the corporations' have for appeal or before a court date and it gets more expensive.

When Hilary gets in with a filibuster proof senate, the judgeships may finally be filled. If for soe reason Thomas was bumped off, a 7 seat court with a liberal majority,might hear all kinds of back logged cases. IOW, the country would be much better off if Thomas duplicated Scalia one more time, physically instead of orally.

Those bible belt states think spousal abuse is a divine act.

But this judge presides over cases Santa Clara County, California. Not exactly a bible belt area. I’ve read that he supposedly considers himself a battered women’s and sexual assault victims’ advocate and supporter. He has a strange way of showing it.

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Quote douglaslee:

The two that chased and held the assailant were Swedish grad students. Swedes don't accept rape as normal, it's a cultural thing.

Yes. I meant to mention their nationality.

I think they’re two wonderful men, regardless of where they came from. We have men like that too, y’know. ;-) And, you’ve got to admit rape does happen in Sweden. Remember The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? Are we really all that different? Don’t know. But I'm glad they happened along to witness this particular American horror show, and not some dunderheads of the average kind.

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A 'culture of rape' seems to prevail on campuses across the country.

Rape is normal here-middle-east- After they're raped, if they report it, they're charged with adultery and jailed.

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https://mic.com/articles/145788/brock-turner-gets-months-in-jail-a-black-student-got-5-years-for-a-rape-he-didn-t-commit#.jwaleueHl

Two star athletes were convicted in separate sexual assault cases, but the outcomes for them were very, very different. Brock Turner, the now-infamous white former Stanford swimmer, received a six month sentence — although it looks like he'll only serve three months — for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman behind a dumpster on Jan. 18, 2015, when he was 20 years old. The sentencing was so light because, according to the judge, prison would have "a severe impact on him."

All-star, black high school football player Brian Banks, with expectations of one day joining the National Football League, was accused of rape when he was 16 years old. He was tried as an adult, received more than five years in prison and another five years on parole for being a sex offender, before his accuser admitted to fabricating the allegations and all charges were dropped. His aspirations of a college scholarship or one day playing for the NFL were stolen from him.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article82781372.html

Brock Turner, a Stanford swimmer, got a six-month sentence for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman

Cory Batey, a former Vanderbilt football player, faces 15 to 25 years in prison for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman

The rape culture is about white male privilege, When white people see the stanford swimmer they see their sons and grandsons , when they black star athletes they still see predators.

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.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/swedens-feminist-foreign-minister

attacks the culture of female subjugation aka legal rape and abuse. Attacking forced genital mutilation is considered an assault against sharia. The Foreign Minister has not backed down and Saudi's Swedish embassy was closed.

Hopefully the entire EU signs up for the Swedish position. The US supports anything Saudis do so no balls there, but Israel ought to agree, maybe Canada whose refugee plan is dwarfing the US's refugee acceptance could chime in.

Wallström, whose government recognized the State of Palestine last year, had been asked to deliver a speech at an Arab League summit in Cairo in late March, but Saudi Arabia intervened, and Wallström was disinvited. On March 9th, Saudi Arabia withdrew its ambassador to Sweden, saying that Wallström had “unacceptably interfered” in the country’s internal affairs. The United Arab Emirates followed suit a week later. Due to Saudi Arabia’s diplomatic wrangling, Wallström was also condemned by the Gulf Cooperation Council (which consists of Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the U.A.E.), The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which includes fifty-seven countries, and the Arab League itself. Finally, Saudi Arabia leveled a more serious charge against Wallström: that by commenting on the punishment of public flogging, the Swedish foreign minister had criticized Sharia law and Islam
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The country above ended all trade deals with the mysogynistic country referenced.

hThere is money in mysogyny, so don\t expect any change in this country+re-examination+of+the+mass+media+feminist+...-

Willingly surrendering profit for moral concerns is a big step. In the US rich/profit = exemption from civil decency aka human rights.

Israel and the US fascists were happy to sell nukes to South Africa during apartheid. Reagan kept Mandela on the terror watch list while removing Pakistan and letting them go nuclear (they were capitalists).


The analysis below will challenge most scholarship about the novel, will argue that pornography and violent anti-women sentiment are inseparable in the text, and will claim that the four particularly horrific scenes aesthetically dominate the novel to such a degree that many view it as a "ruined" "project" (Harron and Turner 188). In so doing, this essay represents a counter-point to two recent scholarly books, Bret Easton Ellis: American Psycho, Glamorama, Lunar Park (2011), edited by Naomi Mandel, and Sonia Baelo-Allue's Bret Easton Ellis's Controversial Fiction: Writing Between High and Low Culture (2011), both of which fail to critique the novel's women-hating contents and, for the most part, ignore the abhorrent scenes.
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A 'culture of rape' seems to prevail on campuses across the country.

It does:

There’s No More Denying Campus Rape Is A Problem. This Study Proves It. Despite the shocking prevalence of sexual assault, few women report it.

A Google search for “campus rape crisis,” in its top search-finds, offers a story about a very dubious rape and “false accusations;” then also, in another, “Title IX coordinator allegedly spoke about how “regret equals rape;” then “The Campus Rape Myth;” then “Is the Campus Rape Crisis Overblown?” and so forth. Do Google’s algorithms participate in rape culture?

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Rape is normal here-middle-east- After they're raped, if they report it, they're charged with adultery and jailed.

Horrors.

And none dare criticize Islam here as well, though we don’t usually get thrown in jail for doing so, at least not yet.

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Brock Turner, a Stanford swimmer, got a six-month sentence for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman

Cory Batey, a former Vanderbilt football player, faces 15 to 25 years in prison for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman

The rape culture is about white male privilege, When white people see the stanford swimmer they see their sons and grandsons , when they black star athletes they still see predators.

I welcome your point: it’s absolutely correct to bring up racial double standards that have whites receiving lesser sentences than blacks receive for the same crimes, including rape. And this case demonstrates that truth, clearly.

However, rape culture also infects the African American community, though in a different way and within a different historical context:

Quote Melissa Harris-Perry:
Rape and Race: We Have to Talk About It - - Remixing the racial rule of silence.

...Strange fruit hanging from Southern trees has led to a legacy of disbelieving women who report sexual violence and intimidation.

Black women raped by black male perpetrators often remain silent because they are alone. They don’t want to confirm white racial stereotypes; their own families and communities tell them to shut up; they have little reason to think that authorities will take their cases seriously; they fear the devastating ramifications of a manhunt in black communities if they are believed; and in the history of lynching white women have been adversaries, not allies, on the question of rape…

With that in mind, Brian Banks’ accuser, a black teen, may have been coerced not only by her family to recant her confession of the supposed lie but also by Banks’ himself. She has since stated that he bribed her to confess to lying (at about 4:30 mins into the story). Fact is, we will never know, because there’s such an eagerness in the culture to perpetuate the misogynistic perception of rape accusations as lies.

I think Cory Batey will probably serve the sentence he deserves, a sentence Brock Turner should have received.

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.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/swedens-feminist-foreign-minister

attacks the culture of female subjugation aka legal rape and abuse. Attacking forced genital mutilation is considered an assault against sharia. The Foreign Minister has not backed down and Saudi's Swedish embassy was closed.

Hopefully the entire EU signs up for the Swedish position. The US supports anything Saudis do so no balls there, but Israel ought to agree, maybe Canada whose refugee plan is dwarfing the US's refugee acceptance could chime in.

Wallström, whose government recognized the State of Palestine last year, had been asked to deliver a speech at an Arab League summit in Cairo in late March, but Saudi Arabia intervened, and Wallström was disinvited. On March 9th, Saudi Arabia withdrew its ambassador to Sweden, saying that Wallström had “unacceptably interfered” in the country’s internal affairs. The United Arab Emirates followed suit a week later. Due to Saudi Arabia’s diplomatic wrangling, Wallström was also condemned by the Gulf Cooperation Council (which consists of Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the U.A.E.), The Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which includes fifty-seven countries, and the Arab League itself. Finally, Saudi Arabia leveled a more serious charge against Wallström: that by commenting on the punishment of public flogging, the Swedish foreign minister had criticized Sharia law and Islam

That’s what I love about Sweden. If only our Secretaries of State would be as forthright on behalf of women and girls in the face of such inhumanity and inequality on the part of foreign states. I remember seeing HRC wearing a hijab on one of her visits to a Middle Eastern country. It’s disgusting. Would we insist that the foreign ministers visiting the U.S. should wear Western clothes? No, but she had to go and acquiesce to BS.

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The country above ended all trade deals with the mysogynistic country referenced.

hThere is money in mysogyny, so don\t expect any change in this country+re-examination+of+the+mass+media+feminist+...-

Willingly surrendering profit for moral concerns is a big step. In the US rich/profit = exemption from civil decency aka human rights.

Israel and the US fascists were happy to sell nukes to South Africa during apartheid. Reagan kept Mandela on the terror watch list while removing Pakistan and letting them go nuclear (they were capitalists).


The analysis below will challenge most scholarship about the novel, will argue that pornography and violent anti-women sentiment are inseparable in the text, and will claim that the four particularly horrific scenes aesthetically dominate the novel to such a degree that many view it as a "ruined" "project" (Harron and Turner 188). In so doing, this essay represents a counter-point to two recent scholarly books, Bret Easton Ellis: American Psycho, Glamorama, Lunar Park (2011), edited by Naomi Mandel, and Sonia Baelo-Allue's Bret Easton Ellis's Controversial Fiction: Writing Between High and Low Culture (2011), both of which fail to critique the novel's women-hating contents and, for the most part, ignore the abhorrent scenes.

That discussion recalls what I meant by the metaphor “seaweed” in my OP’s title. I suppose I was reaching for it, but still, isn’t rape culture all so convoluted, so knotted, so tangled, like a those large mounds of seaweed we see on the beach from time to time? How do we even begin to untangle it? When a social disorder —the sexualization of violence— is so commingled with a wonderful aspect of life —sex— how do we extricate the good from the bad, without coming off as prudes? It’s how the bastards have us silenced, how the “free-speech”-for-pornographers crowd remains off the hook.

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Pat Robertson's how to beat your wife when she has to be brought under control

linkyoutu.be/O

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Pat Robertson's how to beat your wife when she has to be brought under control

linkyoutu.be/O

I don't know, Doug— don't you think Cenk Uygur is nearly as bad as Robertson? First, he refers to an adult woman, a wife, as "the girl," then he sees the marriage relationship as a power struggle. Isn't that also at the heart of Robertson's lament that husbands don't get to beat their wives anymore? Uygur's solution is to cheat on his wife, in passive-aggressive retaliation. But it's essentially saying the same thing— a wife's abusive treatment of her husband is a violation the husband's manhood, as opposed to being a violation of a person's humanity. The idea of counseling, to his mind, is, therefore, a further insult to his manhood, rather than an opportunity to discover the underlying emotional factors that may be contributing to the toxic situation. And it denies any possibility that the wife may be feeling every bit as violated, or neglected, or frustrated, or just plain unhappy for reasons having nothing to do with the husband. There's always scapegoating, as a factor too, but going out and cheating only sends the toxicity spiraling out of control.

That Uygur fellow just might have some toxic masculinity crap going on there, IMHO.

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Anyone writing to Robertson for marital advice is already a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. There is a whole bible sector that believes wives should OBEY their husbands and cite bible passages supporting this archaic notion. Slavery should not have ended either, in the view of about 20% of RW nut jobs. Clive Bundy spouted the beauty of slavery, they were taught to pick cotton, a skill set 'The Negro' of today does not possess.

Cenk was off. The Turkish PM says women that work are only half persons and only stay at home women are fulfilled. Turkey and Armenian genocide are still raw history, but genocidal massacre of the Kurds is current Turkish policy. Nato's between the lines purpose besides the treaty is to keep signatory members from each other's throats -Greece and Turkey in this case.

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Anyone writing to Robertson for marital advice is already a lost cause as far as I'm concerned.


Agreed. Absolutely. Same goes for James Dobson.

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There is a whole bible sector that believes wives should OBEY their husbands and cite bible passages supporting this archaic notion. Slavery should not have ended either, in the view of about 20% of RW nut jobs. Clive Bundy spouted the beauty of slavery, they were taught to pick cotton, a skill set 'The Negro' of today does not possess.


There’s no accounting for common sense there, right? I mean, what’s so difficult about seeing others as people with the same needs for respect?

I must say, though, that wives-must-obey-their-husbands thing isn’t restricted to the bible sector. I may have mentioned before my shock at learning that my eldest sister, a life-long Californian, had to wait for her husband’s permission to get a cell phone. Come to think of it, however, they’re a little bit Bible-ish at that end of the family. Also Republican-ish and love-Sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-ish. Gr-r-r-r.

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Cenk was off. The Turkish PM says women that work are only half persons and only stay at home women are fulfilled. Turkey and Armenian genocide are still raw history, but genocidal massacre of the Kurds is current Turkish policy. Nato's between the lines purpose besides the treaty is to keep signatory members from each other's throats -Greece and Turkey in this case.

I wonder which sex decided women who work are only half persons? Not that stay-at-home-parenting isn’t fulfilling. It actually is, at least for some, including some men.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed a difference in the media and law enforcement approach to questions in the aftermath of this rape compared to that of terrorist attacks. I don’t remember anybody in the media or law enforcement delving into the whys and wherefores of the Stanford Rapist’s behavior —what’s his story; why did he do this; what was his family life like; did his friends say he watched a lot of pornography, that is, where did he get the idea that rape is sex?— whereas we’re hearing a lot of questions about the background and motivations of this Orlando ISIS nutcase. Maybe it's common sense, but I'm not so sure it isn't also a part of rape culture— "rape is not worthy of determining causes."

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Are Rape judge's days numbered?

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Hunting Ground trailer @26:00 sexual assault on campus documentary.

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Why is it that campuses do not focus on increasing camera's and really good lighting? At UNR the rapes pretty much occur in a badly lit side were women are attacked at night.

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Quote douglaslee:

Are Rape judge's days numbered?

Hunting Ground trailer @26:00 sexual assault on campus documentary.

Thanks for those links, Doug. Re the second one, don’t you just love the father’s complaint that his son’s life “had been ruined for 20 minutes of action?” Apparently, it’s true— the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Btw, have you seen David Pakman’s MUST SEE: Christian Lunatics Reveal God's Message About Donald Trump?” I figure you’ll enjoy it. Remember Jim Bakker? I had to look back at what happened with him. He looks like he has lost a lot of weight. I didn’t realize that Tammy Faye had died of colon cancer quite awhile back. (ha ha, that construction makes it sound like I'm implying she was the "weight" he has lost. Oh well, I don't feel like fixing it.)

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Why is it that campuses do not focus on increasing camera's and really good lighting? At UNR the rapes pretty much occur in a badly lit side were women are attacked at night.

I have to assume you don’t mean to imply that rapes happen because of bad lighting. ;-)

How about colleges give their incoming male students a mandatory talk with the purpose of setting standards of behavior with women students, including the message that they may not legitimately perceive female students as sexual prey, nor will sexual assaults be tolerated in any way shape or form. How about making it very clear that a drunk or passed out woman is not available for sex?

How about exposing incoming male students to information about the damaging effects of pornography, not only to the women in their lives, but also to their own lives. How about raising their consciences (no typo there) about the nature of today’s violent pornography and the misogyny that drives it? How about showing them that the sexualization of violence and hatred of women is not sex?

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Jul. 31, 2007 4:01 pm

I think Trump could do a partnership w/Bakker. He could add a chapter to his university scam about jesus and end times then get his marks to buy Bakker's prep food or end times food. Trump as builder could market bunkers with Bakker's survival manuals included.

The cannibalism he says is coming would require a butcher's intro on how to clean and filet the non-christians knocking on your door for safety. Don't use AR-15s to shoot up the atheists, it ruins the meat. The dinner could be a religious themed thing like communion wafer is the body of christ and the wine is his blood. The atheist just butchered replaces baptism (since water is rationed in end times) as conversion. They are eating him/her to save them in the afterlife. Sounds holy to me.

Con artists know other grifters and their games. Trump's university scam was a MLM scheme --multi-level marketing like Amway, or Mormons Losing Money since most MLM scams originate in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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No More Presidential Immunity!

Thom plus logo When Richard Nixon committed multiple Felonies, including accepting bribes in cash in the White House, Jerry Ford chose to pardon him.

When Ronald Reagan committed treason in 1980 to get elected, Attorney General Bill Barr shut down the investigation in 1992 with five pardons.
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