Most left wingers like me are constantly told that the NRA has an 'iron-like grip' on the Republican party. I believer this view is mistaken. The true engine of the GOP is right-wing radio. Let me explain

The fact is that the Republican party and right-wing radio hosts like Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, and many others believe that every sociopath in our great country, such as Stephen Poddack, Adam Lanza, Omar Mateen, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, etc, is entitled to his very own AR15 and virtually unlimited amounts of ammo with which to use as they see fit. If this means killing 50 people in a matter of a few minutes, so be it.

Let's admit that arguments for this boil down to one very simple idea: there may come a day when citizens of the United States must take up arms against an over-mighty, tyrannical government which has become destructive of the rights stipulated in the Constitution. Let me take the argument seriously for a moment. At the present time, the Republicans control both houses of congress, the presidency, and also the supreme court, as Gorsuch has given a 5-4 edge to conservatives. We also have a constitution, a bill of rights, and a system of power sharing between the 50 states and the federal government known to us as "Federalism." We also have a government structure composed of 3 branches which act as a check against one another. Not to mention numerous civil rights groups such as the ACLU which has no purpose other than to ensure that the rights of Americans are not violated. The first amendment guarantees the right of every American to protest peacefully, seek a redress of grievances, to worship in the manner they see fit, and nearly unlimited right to express ourselves. Despite all of these constitutional and civic safeguards, the talk-radio right continues to tell the American people that every single act of government regulation, no matter how small, constitutes a step towards tyranny and the destruction of our rights.

I cannot tell you how angry it makes me that every single day millions of Americans are subjected to paranoid, hyperventilated nonsense such as this. And it comes from supposedly reasonable and fair-minded conservatives. Government tyranny and chaos and is not our doorstep. Shame on all of those radio hosts to frighten and terrify our people into believing the opposite. In fact, terror and anarchy and lawlessness and fear is coming from every disturbed maniac who fires their weapon into a crown of concert-goers like Las Vegas. I hope one day that the hosts and their audience will realize that peddling paranoid fantasies to frightened citizens does not serve the interests of conservatism or law and order, for that matter. Nor can a stable and prosperous society emerge from a people who constantly live in fear of mass gun slaughter.

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Dianereynolds's picture
Dianereynolds 9 weeks 5 days ago
#1

Are you completely ignorant of the drivel that is on ABC, NBC,CBS, CNN, MSNBC, the late night so called comedians, the biased morning show hosts, the cackling midday televised "talk shows" where the conservative views are virtually non existent, and now even the regular programed shows such as Scandal, Designated Survivor and the like all push the leftie/socialist agenda?

Turn off FOX News and you will get an earful of what you want to hear.

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PhilfromOhio 9 weeks 5 days ago
#2

Whoa, Lady Di,

Looks like you are spending way too much time in front of the boob tube these days. One single difference between what you are attempting to compare is the lies and venom which the right wing talking heads bring to the so-called conversation (a normal, intelligent person would call that garbage PROPAGANDA).

And all of the people listed by fuzzy are quick to cut off anyone who attempts to correct these falsehoods on the air in real time...even if that means cutting off their mic.

One thing that is VERY clear is the most of the right wing drivel fails fact checking. I know that you may disagree, but then you think that climate change is nothing to worry about and that Trump is our savior and that pigs can fly. Nuff said for now, and you can fact check that......

Dianereynolds's picture
Dianereynolds 9 weeks 5 days ago
#3

It's Sunday. Aren't even pretend priests supposed to be drinking wine?

DdC's picture
DdC 9 weeks 5 days ago
#4

Remember their names. When the traitors are brought to justice remember the sheep like Diane who enabled them and donated to them. Anti American activities, like blocking the SCotUS nomination, blocking a vote on various bills, flat out propaganda supporting anything the fossil fools say. Then the hypocrisy of gun rights to shoot cops they jerk flags at, and believe the plastic has more rights than citizens. Penis and Vagina Police don't seem to be an infringement on citizens rights enforcing pro life my ass legislation. Or cops doing body cavity searches on school kids. GOPerverts just doing what they are told and repeating gossip casting doubt and Science be damned. Private schools to dumb them down even more, if that's possible. I think the gun problem should be solved by teaching basic punctuation to Congress. The definition of a comma.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state(,) ☚ the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

1. the sign (,), a mark of punctuation used for indicating a division in a sentence, as in setting off a word, phrase, or clause, especially when such a division is accompanied by a slight pause or is to be noted in order to give order to the sequential elements of the sentence. It is also used to separate items in a list, to mark off thousands in numerals, to separate types or levels of information in bibliographic and other data, and, in Europe, as a decimal point.

So people in a Militia can not have their right to bear arms infringed. The Militias were organized into the National Guard in 1903. All references to Militias in past history, beit the Whiskey or Shays Rebellions said the state governors could loan the Militias to the Federal government as when collecting taxes on the Rebels in Pittsburgh. The state governors loaned Washington troops to assist putting down the rebels. Each one had the right to bear arms. Not the rebels. Or slaves or children. Not that I expect anyone denying the laws of physics on climate change to divert from their blind faith in the money gods.

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DdC 9 weeks 4 days ago
#6
Quote Dianereynolds:

http://nationalpost.com/health/smoking-a-couple-of-joints-a-week-researc...

When will you learn to stay on topic and keep your reefer madness lunacy out?

You posted the same thing on the Trump v Pence thread, and it was proven to be what I've claimed all along, bullshit. India and China have been toking for thousands of years with the greatest number of people. I'm not worried, my grand kids don't need uncles or aunts younger than them like your white trash kin living in trailer parks. If you're really worried about it, then stop screwing limp dick stoners.

I removed the off topic content from this post answer to didi. WTF else can a po goper gal do? Attention span of a gnat. She did the same damn thing on the Trump v Pence thread. Guess she forgot. Memory problems can be fixed didi. ☛ Toke-A-Day May Keep Old Memory Functioning

Diane. if your man is still having trouble , although it looks more like its not only a small key, but the lock is frozen too. Either case, don't fret, here ya go. Prohibidiots Concern for Sperm

update: Now maybe you can splain what circling sperm has to do with #TAKneeling down during the racist nationalist anthem? A diversion from common abuse. By the same tadpoles whining about the right to own military industrial complex weapons of mass destruction and enough ammo to wipe out at least 500 people. Some in open carry states where drive thru liquor stores sell mixed drinks.

Then less known Polio patients are shoved to the floor and another group using military industrial complex weapons of mass destruction and enough ammo to wipe out at least 500 people held to the Polio patients face for using Pot to relieve symptoms.

Yes first responders get the crap with the good flag wavers emphasize. Good cops too, but the thin blue line trumps the Constitution and the symbol becomes greater than those it represents.

Then there is the foreign terrorists aspect that maybe an embarrassment, after banning targeted countries and all the hoopla. Domestic ISISISIl? Whatever. White redneck Muslims? Shooting cowboys with military industrial complex weapons of mass destruction and enough ammo to wipe out at least 500 people. Smuggled into a major Vegas Hotel while they were frisking Deadheads for Doobies.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering,
Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander,
the Nuremberg Trials

"Terrorist operatives infiltrate our communities, plotting, planning and waiting to kill again....To those who scare peace loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists."
United States Attorney General John Ashcroft

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gumball 9 weeks 4 days ago
#7

You seem to be starting off with the premise that those opposed to gun control are being fooled, not that their reasons are valid. You may disagree with their conclusion, but to disregard their reasoning does nothing but create more division.

Who would want guns in the hands of crazy people? Who would not be against controlling guns when they so obviously lead to so many deaths? Clearly, only a person who is not thinking rationally. Right?

I think much of the disconnect stems from how each side views the issue. Pro Control folks view it as a question of should the government control. The Pro Gun folks view it as a question of can the government control. Speaking practically, not constitutionally. I do not see "expanded background" checks and other commonly suggested controls making a significant difference. Do you?

Where does that leave us? Wholesale confiscation of the 300-400 million guns in the country? That is why so many are opposed to "common sense" gun laws, they see the endgame goal as taking all guns.

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PhilfromOhio 9 weeks 4 days ago
#8

Gummy Bear, I think the point had NOT to do with:

You seem to be starting off with the premise that those opposed to gun control are being fooled, not that their reasons are valid. You may disagree with their conclusion, but to disregard their reasoning does nothing but create more division.

Rather, the point was that 'those totally opposed to gun control of any kind are disingenous fools'. By your NRA style reasoning in general, restricting access to opiod drugs would be a "slippery slope" to governmental tyranny. And making rape victims unable to have access to the day after pill is a righteous decision based on 'American Christian values.'

So you see that this reasoning on the right's side is the basest form of hyprocracy, and this is applied over and over to satisfy evangelistic fantasies and the puppet strings of hypercapitalists who wish to make their votes count much more than the average person. So the fundamental premise here is that a feudal society best meets the needs of rich people, and it is necessary to keep the proletariat in their roled of being toilers and subserviants to their whims.

The notion of liberty and justice is a pipe dream that the hypocrits twist and distort to blind the citizens and keep them in their place. Keeping a lot of guns out there is a way of preventing a peaceful society, which then may have the sense to do reasonable things like gun control. Gin up a sense of domestic tension and insecurity. That's what Trump and the gun nuts like. Drives sales for the arms profiteers. That, Gummy, is American capitalism for what it is.

Have a blessed, and gun-less day.

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DdC 9 weeks 4 days ago
#9
You seem to be starting off with the premise that those opposed to gun control are being fooled, not that their reasons are valid.

I don't think their reasons are valid, people want what they want. When I hunted in the 60s Military weapons were off limits for the general public. That didn't have a rebellion. When they opened the market it was for profits. Not necessity. Same with NASCARs I'm sure the same people would love to drive down the interstate. I'm trying to let sick people smoke pot without jail sentencing and it gets more paranoia than Military weapons with the general sales at MalWarts. Thats just nuts and unnecessary.

You may disagree with their conclusion, but to disregard their reasoning does nothing but create more division.

I have heard no reasoning to justify Military weapons for hunters or protection. A small percentage of collectors have most of the weapons. For most seriously using guns Military weapons are not on their christmas list. Nor should they be. If the NRA has these people duped into thinking they have a right. Then I'd say no the comma says differently. Again, that doesn't mean I prefer a ban on all guns. Just limit the destructive ability to do harm to massive amounts of people. Plus something about stolen guns. Seems LEO are spending too much time on frivilous issues and not on what is killing people. Illegal immigration is the fault of corporate Ag hiring them. They usually aren't known for causing harm, just getting underpaid to work their asses off. Pot I don't have to address, thats common knowledge. So Military weapons banned from open market sales would do a lot. Plus limits on ammo, banana clips and semi/auto capabilities. Hunting is a sport and auto weapons makes it a slaughter.

Who would want guns in the hands of crazy people?

The NRA fought against prohibiting those with known certifiable mental illness as a slippery slope to ban all guns. So it is still legal for mentally ill to buy them. The premise of big gubmint kicking down doors of gun owners is silly since NRA membership lists are sold to other vendors the same as Amazon or MalWarts. So if someone wants to hide the fact they own weapons. The NRA is also against banning assessories used to convert semi's into auto's outright, but said they would go along with regulating them. My point is they should be unnecessary since Military weapons have no logical place among civilians. Or police.

The lame argument that only criminals will have guns goes to priorities of cops choosing easier drug bust than confronting someone with Military weapons. But thats what the National Guard is for. Any situation involving potential harm to large amounts of people should be dealt with by force not justice department rules of engagement. We can remove Military weapons and most law abiding citizens would be OK with it. Most don't own Military weapons in the first place. Any decent hunter is going to pride himself on marksmanship not an endless stream of bullets.

Maybe a theme park or parks for military weapons. Although the same laws to keep auto machine guns from the people was used in 37 to keep pot from the people. Not many problems and they are still banned. Even though conversion kits are available, they could be deterred the same as souped up car engines on the streets.

Who would not be against controlling guns when they so obviously lead to so many deaths? Clearly, only a person who is not thinking rationally. Right?

No, thats another lame argument reserved for people who would think sick people smoking pot should be jailed in spite of doctors and relief they find. I think you are shorting the people out of common sense. Its not like the forefathers legalized auto weapons. They were always legally kept from police and civilians until Daryl Gates started SWAT and turned citizen breaking victimless laws into hard core criminals needing bear cats and combat weapons. Back to civility where cops police the area and prevent unsafe acts. Not just check marks for arrests to advance their careers. Same with overzealous prosecutors and lopsided judges. Nothing so far has been as dangerous as Drumpf playing chicken with North Korea or Iran.

I think much of the disconnect stems from how each side views the issue.

That's a problem with every issue and my stand is that there is only one truth and two sides selfishly trying to gain ground instead of dealing with problems with answers pertaining to the problem. Not political bogus compromises on insanity. Just to pass a law. Again I'm only advocating against Military weapons and not sales argument trying to parce words and definitions. Over so many rounds and eliminate rapid fire guns and mechanisms. As we do hand grenades and missiles. I remember when TV shows started hyping gangs and kevlar jackets and auto weapons. Then Reagan and Gates DARE propaganda hyping kids to hate using Military weapons as visual aids to intice kids into ewes and ahs. Now they are grown and believe the enemy is within and anything goes to stop it.

My only warning to gun enthusiasts is they will be targeting cops and military breaking down their doors not "the enemy" that doesn't exist. Replace the words used to hype the bad guys with American citizen and it doesn't sound so threatening or evil.

Same with finally getting the word out about Cannabis without the media and DEA hype, has changed attitudes and is getting people relief and is selling alternative Hemp products. Now if we can remove it from DEA communism it will benefit all citizens.

Nothing about Military weapons benefits anyone except the shooter getting a rush they can get at a Rifle range or designated areas or their own property if it fits the criteria of distance from roads and houses etc. Not that big a deal except the rhetoric by those profiting on the misery of others. Same with the Ganjawar. No victims outside of DEA thuggery.

Pro Control folks view it as a question of should the government control.

I think the industry should control it and be held accountable for what they sell the same as car dealers. Government should deal with guns and drugs as an oversight and enforce abuse. Remove punishment as the main means of dealing with people and use cooperation. Open carry laws are asking for trouble depending on the mindset of people with the guns. So as I would ban Fentanyl and oxycontin as they did quaaludes and speed drugs and horrible side effects. Take them off the market and penalize those who don't.

If someone really really has to have one they will find a way to get one. Same with drugs or pot. But generally most will do what they did with pot and skip it if its too much hassle. Unless they know it helps them. Then they will get it. Now the dispensaries are lowering kids use and making it more civil to obtain for adults. That's all I'm saying about auto weapons. Give the people some credit.

We are a dumbed down society from programmed media and school books siding with the victors of wars. But we are also a country that trades joints for cans of food to feed people. We will drop our differences if a hurricane hits. In spite of government red tape and backlogs and bottlenecks. I think most people, not Al Bundy civilian militianists storm trooping a bird sanctuary flashing their big guns like a stripper twirling tassels. Fear fear itself more than regulating Military weapons.

The Pro Gun folks view it as a question of can the government control.

But the "government" of the people, by the people elect representatives and if we hold our own reps accountable and stop the process of buying lobbyists to represent profits. I think we have to try.

Same with football. Even if one problem leads to another we have a problem now that needs nipped in the bud. No pun intended. Spearing tackles causing head hits and potential concussions was banned. Now hitting lower is probably breaking legs. Old leather helmets never caused too many known head injuries until plastic. The first helmets could break and I knew someone in high school that happened to and he had brain damage from embedded plastic. Now they don't break but give an added weight to do damage. I don't know how well Rugby players do but maybe leather helmets will slow down the head hits without breaking lower body parts. Same with guns or pot. We can make it happen and point out the profiteers against it as their motive. Most think capitalism is a good barter system but won't stand for greed doing harm. Not fracking our water or poisoning our fields. Not easy to stop them but it is doable.

Speaking practically, not constitutionally. I do not see "expanded background" checks and other commonly suggested controls making a significant difference. Do you?

Nothing will work without participants trying to make it work. Cops can't do it alone anymore than stopping pot from being smoked. They can hurt people but their reputations are shot and the NRA is being seen differently than when I gathered signatures against a ban in the 60s.

Now its about money and power and as lobbyists, their job is to sell guns and that means they have to be legal. Letting the Military be separate from domestic policing was a wish of the forefathers or a treaty. imo Bush sent the National Guard to Iraq to keep regular Military body counts down. At least that's what was left at the end of the day. SWAT bastardized the rule even farther demonizing some Americans. So we should go back to civilians being civilians and military being military and cops be cops.

Where does that leave us? Wholesale confiscation of the 300-400 million guns in the country?

Again that would be as useless as prohibition of pot except it would make profits for the prohibitionists the same as pot. Many cops would be against it, but many would side with it. If the people can get out of their partisan battle mode I think removing military weapons from gun shops and flea markets or gun shows can work. I think an incentive could get people to sell back their auto weapons and basic rules on who and where they can be used can be written up. It can work but it will be up to the people. As long as its two sides pitted against each other then many things we know as normal life will be in jeopardy.

That is why so many are opposed to "common sense" gun laws, they see the endgame goal as taking all guns.

That is in the narrative of the story tellers on mainstream media and advertisements. Modern era will bring us more challenges with various weapons not using gun powder. Lasers are on the list being tested by the Military. Sound guns and electric guns. Where do we draw the line? Again not many speak out against our government as much as I have done since the 60s. I've never been arrested for it, or pot for that matter. I don't sell it or have an audience big enough to threaten anyone I guess. But we spoke out and eventually informed people that Vietnam wasn't the same as WW2.

Soccer moms probably had more impact than hippies, but hippies were the ones to make soccer moms curious enough to check it out. I see the same thing here. People can be very responsible or we can assume they're all idiots that need a nanny state to take their harmful toys. I prefer we take care of business without government and that takes individuals with the guts to speak out and even critique their own peers. Anything should be able to be discussed without a food fight. Although sometimes I like food fights I admit.

Its also a turf thing I think we can get over. If its a liberal ban then conservatives will oppose it for that reason. Visa versa. If it is seem as a common issue and not whoever is in power makes the rules. With cooperation or maybe even a push by the Military to separate them from police and civilians. Without profit interests of foreign and domestic gun makers.

Hey, 10 years ago I would have never dreamed of a dispensary with 18 different strains, variety of products from edible s'mores to hashish chocolate bars and Ganja soda drinks delivered to my doorstep. But its happening. We still have a government persecuting sick people in other areas and a daily threat to shut down the billion dollar enterprise we have.

But that also means the millions in taxes and if I smoke pot that gives politicians funds to build schools. They aren't so anxious to lock everybody up. The private prisons haven't been so magnanimous about it, profits are profits. Same if the gun sellers profits are a higher priority than American civilians lives then maybe the people will confront them as we have the DEA and like I said, it is doable. I know I couldn't advocate pot if it hurt people and I think most feel the same about guns.

Nothing should be by the government alone. We really need to get back to representatives bidding for the people and not just profits. I'm really not against profits if something is sold to someone who wants it for legit reasons. Pot or guns or hair styles or skin color have no or should have no bearing.

gumball's picture
gumball 9 weeks 3 days ago
#10

@DdC

When you look at the actual number of people killed by assault rifles, It is a relatively small number. If they were illegal it does not solve the problem.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-deaths_us_5763109de...

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gumball 9 weeks 3 days ago
#11
Quote PhilfromOhio:

Gummy Bear, I think the point had NOT to do with:

You seem to be starting off with the premise that those opposed to gun control are being fooled, not that their reasons are valid. You may disagree with their conclusion, but to disregard their reasoning does nothing but create more division.

Rather, the point was that 'those totally opposed to gun control of any kind are disingenous fools'. By your NRA style reasoning in general, restricting access to opiod drugs would be a "slippery slope" to governmental tyranny. And making rape victims unable to have access to the day after pill is a righteous decision based on 'American Christian values.'

So you see that this reasoning on the right's side is the basest form of hyprocracy, and this is applied over and over to satisfy evangelistic fantasies and the puppet strings of hypercapitalists who wish to make their votes count much more than the average person. So the fundamental premise here is that a feudal society best meets the needs of rich people, and it is necessary to keep the proletariat in their roled of being toilers and subserviants to their whims.

The notion of liberty and justice is a pipe dream that the hypocrits twist and distort to blind the citizens and keep them in their place. Keeping a lot of guns out there is a way of preventing a peaceful society, which then may have the sense to do reasonable things like gun control. Gin up a sense of domestic tension and insecurity. That's what Trump and the gun nuts like. Drives sales for the arms profiteers. That, Gummy, is American capitalism for what it is.

Have a blessed, and gun-less day.

Do you think all guns should be made virtually illegal?

Coalage3 9 weeks 3 days ago
#12

Who is opposed to gun control of any kind? The gun owners I know don't belong to that club. There are already lots of regulations and restrictions in place on guns.

Your comparisons are way off base. That's a big shock. Even most anti-abortion advocates will agree to the act in case of rape, incest, or the health of the mother in jeopardy.

So, Phil from Ohio, try to make your point again. But this time, use logic, reasoning, and fact.

By the way, Obama (not Trump) was the best thing that ever happened for the gun manufacturers. His federal agency even approved the gun stocks everyone has been talking about. How can he sleep at night?

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DdC 9 weeks 3 days ago
#13

Small number of shootings compared to total deaths from guns? With large numbers of victims in small amounts of time is the problem I was addressing. Legal arms were used that would not be if illegal, and cops focused on them over non victim issues. Maybe life only counts if its over a certain number killed or maybe one life is too many to lose over gun profits. The reality is the number of people killed was due to military weapons of mass destruction no hand gun or hunting rifle would have done. How hard it is to stop manufacturers from selling them is determined by how many don't care about life and prefer profits.

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DdC 9 weeks 3 days ago
#14

Coaldust the victims probably don't give a rats ass over your partisan liberal bashing trying to protect the orange idiot, blaming it on, wait for it, Obama. Big surprise. Your diversions only aid the NRA domestic terrorists.

Coalage3 9 weeks 2 days ago
#15

But the fact remains that gun sales were never better than under the Obama administration. How is Trump to blame for that? And no fair using fake news. As usual, your so called outrage is only spewed in one rightward direction when it should be spread both right and left.

rs allen 9 weeks 2 days ago
#16

Of course guns sales took off after the election of that foreign born mooslum. The bastard was going to instill sharia law, then declare marshall law and take all the guns away.

And it was a good thing too that all those guns were gotten before that niger could do anything. America owes a debt of graditude to those loyal and brave enough to stand for what's right.

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Dianereynolds 9 weeks 2 days ago
#17

Mr./Mrs./Ms, Allen,

When you are backed into a corner you appear to be quite the little racist.

rs allen 9 weeks 2 days ago
#18

What, are you and Koal Kar Kountry joined at the hip?

Did you go to the same school? Or are you just like him and can't remember day before yesterday?

Go ahead look it up ya lazy twit we all heard and read all of that and even worse during and after Obama was elected, and in fact it was continued throughout his entire tenure. So ya white nationalist how much of it did you believe; how much of it do you still believe?

Why did you buy that precious gun you sleep with and can't live without?

Coalage3 9 weeks 2 days ago
#19

It doesn't matter why the guns were purchased, as long as it was legal. The fear that Obama would confiscate weapons, whether real or imagined, was enough to drive up gun sales...period. That's the fact.

Do you think that only white people bought guns during the Obama presidency?

rs allen 9 weeks 2 days ago
#20

Nah, don't believe none of that fake news crap. It really was all of us black cats buying up them thar guns. We're comm'n to get you.

Boo!

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gumball 9 weeks 2 days ago
#21
Quote DdC:Small number of shootings compared to total deaths from guns? With large numbers of victims in small amounts of time is the problem I was addressing. Legal arms were used that would not be if illegal, and cops focused on them over non victim issues. Maybe life only counts if its over a certain number killed or maybe one life is too many to lose over gun profits. The reality is the number of people killed was due to military weapons of mass destruction no hand gun or hunting rifle would have done. How hard it is to stop manufacturers from selling them is determined by how many don't care about life and prefer profits.

Total murders, not incidents. Note that it includes all rifles. Not just "assault" rifles.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/...

My point is that if assault rifles were banned that would not really solve the problem. Am I wrong?

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth...

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DdC 9 weeks 2 days ago
#22
My point is that if assault rifles were banned that would not really solve the problem. Am I wrong?

Of coarse, when you flash over reality. He would not have had the time or capability to shoot so many with hunting rifles. Diverting to caliber size is a diversion from rapid firing into crowds.

Quote article: It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

That goes without saying. I'm not saying assault rifles are the main gun used to murder people. I'm saying its the soul purpose of Military weapons to take life and the amount of life with rapid fire weapons. 500 shot in Vegas would not be shot with hunting rifles or hand guns. Even though more have access to those and more incidents happen. If each incident happening with hunting guns happened with assault rifles then the 11000 would be 5,500,000. If a hand gun kills one person, then 11000 deaths x 500 for assault potential kills. Out of sight out of mind.

Now where is the NRA?

Court Rules that Medical Marijuana Card Holders Can’t Buy Firearms
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/2070

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gumball 9 weeks 2 days ago
#23
Quote DdC:That goes without saying.

You would not think so, listening to the politicians promoting "common sense" gun control as a solution to the 12k +/- a year gun murders.

DdC's picture
DdC 9 weeks 2 days ago
#24

Come on man, politicians and common sense is an oxymoron.

gumball's picture
gumball 9 weeks 2 days ago
#25
Quote DdC:Come on man, politicians and common sense is an oxymoron.

I can't argue with that lol

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Dianereynolds 9 weeks 2 days ago
#26

@#22

Any individual with half a brain should agree that gun ownership and drug or alcohol impairment do not mix. The NRA is in agreement which is why there are so many laws stating what the standards are for being impaired while in possession of a firearm. Many states it is .04. Pot smokers just need to understand that they are impaired and the police are rapidly figuring that out. Usually they are found just swimming around in lazy little circles. We need to impose huge taxes on pot smokers so the police can weed out the offenders.

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DdC 9 weeks 1 day ago
#27

Diane at the end of the day your gossip only shows
you are nothing less than a weak cheerleader for Baby killers.

Collaterally Damaged Kids
New York Nine Year Old Girl With Dravet Syndrome
Dies Without Medical Marijuana

Anna Conte, the child whose family has been at the center of New York’s medical marijuana debate for months, had a rare condition called Dravet Syndrome that caused her to experience as many as hundreds of crippling seizures every day. Children with similar conditions have successfully treated their symptoms with cannabis in states that have legalized the drug for medicinal use.

Study: Marijuana Reduces Seizures in Kids
With Rare Form of Epilepsy

Dravet Syndrome patients given marijuana-derived CBD saw seizures dramatically decrease compared to placebo group

and a hypocrite slave of the NRA over Americans.

Diane your unsubstantiated horseshit, from ignorance, is doing harm to more Americans than even gun nuts do. There is no impairment because of metabolites found weeks after using. There are no logical connections between caregivers with medicinal cards to provide assistance to patients either. Like mandatory minimum sentences the NRA bought that slips by gun addicts unfounded Constitutional zealously for the 2nd while they openly disregard the other numbers. Clear to all without ignorance blocking their vision. I think the redneck sperm are swimming in circles as their Gods way to avoid bringing another ignorant goper onto the planet.

As you typically don't post what I have shown you. Prohibidiots Concern for Sperm. The many reasons that affect sperm. But vested ignorance hypocrites are more interested in profits than American citizens. Then with all the places suffering oppression. You give your rights away and slobber all over the rich who take more rights than anyone. Pitiful.

Study: Cannabis Users Are Safer Drivers Than Non-Users

Why Guns and Alcohol Don't Mix - YouTube

The hypocrisy of the NRA not banning drinkers with LCB cards or even arrest records for drinking. Or legal drugs much more debilitating.

Alcohol Kills Nearly 3x Times More
Americans Each Year Than Guns

Guns and alcohol - The Washington Post
Every day, about 30 people are killed in the U.S. in gun homicides or gun accidents (not counting gun suicides or self-inflicted accidental shootings). And every day, likely about 30 people are killed in homicides where the killer was under the influence of alcohol, plus alcohol-related drunk driving accidents and alcohol-related accidents where the driver wasn’t drunk but the alcohol was likely a factor (again not including those who died in accidents caused by their own alcohol consumption). If you added in gun suicides on one side and those people whose alcohol consumption killed themselves on the other, the deaths would tilt much more on the side of alcohol use, but I generally like to segregate deaths of the user from deaths of others.

Here’s How Many People Fatally
Overdosed On Marijuana Last Year

The rate has held steady from previous years.
With marijuana now legal in some form throughout 23 states, the number of Americans who fatally overdosed on the drug last year was significant:

The rate of absolutely zero deaths from a marijuana overdose remained steady from last year, according to figures released this month by the Centers for Disease Control. But while Americans aren’t dying as a result of marijuana overdoses, the same can’t be said for a range of other substances, both legal and illicit.

National Overdose Deaths
A total of 17,465 people died from overdosing on illicit drugs like heroin and cocaine last year, while 25,760 people died from overdosing on prescription drugs, including painkillers and tranquilizers like Valium, according to CDC figures.

NFL's Buzzkill
Tired of alcohol-fueled violence in sports? The Washington Post covers the dangerous alcohol-fueled behavior that takes place in many stadiums around the nation

Basketball Riots in L.A., Soccer Thugs in Europe
Euro 2000 Soccer Violence Could Vanish in a Puff
Aggression and Violence in Sport

Fans Too Relaxed for Fights
Cannabis Helps Keep Fans Calm

Police also claimed that the availability of cannabis in the Netherlands probably helped to defuse any violence. Scores of ticketless England fans gathered in coffee shops in Eindhoven, where cannabis is sold and smoked, to watch the game, greeting the defeat with mild disappointment and unusually, gentle applause. "It (cannabis) may have helped relax them," Mr Beelan added. "Even the hooligans enjoyed the party - and they told our officers. There were lots of things for fans to do and everybody had a good time."

Such blind foolishness.

NRA: The mentally ill have gun rights, too
All too often, those who struggle with mental illness are stigmatized by society. Not all mental illnesses are alike. In addition, there has not been a demonstrated correlation between mental illness and violence. The government should not lump large groups of people together and tell them, collectively, they’re losing constitutional rights because of conditions for which they’re seeking treatment. That only serves to further stigmatize people who are already unfairly stigmatized.

Cannabis users (mmj card holders) have gun rights, too
All too often, those who struggle with government interference, reefer madness and corporate demonizing. Cannabis users are stigmatized by society. Not all Cannabis users are alike. In addition, there has not been a demonstrated correlation between Cannabis users and violence. The government should not lump large groups of people together and tell them, collectively, they’re losing constitutional rights because of conditions for which they’re using Cannabis for treatment. That only serves to further stigmatize people who are already unfairly stigmatized.

Now again, where is the NRA?

Court Rules that Medical Marijuana Card Holders Can’t Buy Firearms

Nothing is more debilitating than alcohol you blind ass fool. Where's the NRAts? Or legal very debilitating big pharma poisons or Ag poisons for that matter. Farmers spraying poisons should be banned too? Yet as I said, you can buy mixed drinks at drive thru liquor stores. A cowardly cop out by you and the NRA if that is who you parrot.

Having a card can also eliminate Americans from organ transplants or tuition assistance and you write it all off. That proves you are an ugly American giving up your own rights to lapdog for a party. Over your own country. So keep your gossip out of the post. There is no impairment from Ganja for most users and none from piss tasting metabolites, while someone watches kids piss in a cup. Trump giving jobs to x Priests, Politicians and Protestants I guess.

Once again you divert from the topic with juvinile angry screeches, tsk tsk tsk..

How a 1980 bank robbery
sparked the militarization of America’s police:

Late last month, Donald Trump issued an executive order reversing an Obama-era ban on the transfer of certain kinds of military surplus weapons to local police departments. For a country still grappling with an epidemic of police violence, the announcement was met with concern, and in many cases, outright anger. With images of tanks descending on Ferguson protestors and the stoic countenance of Ieshia Evans before she is pulled behind a line of riot police seared into our national memory,

Eminem Unleashes On Trump In BET Freestyle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW8UD61On1M

The Militarization of the American Police,
the Shredding of Our Constitutional Rights

Police Being Militarized Nationwide

Journalists from across the spectrum have documented the militarization of police forces in the United States, including, CNN, Huffington Post, the Cato Institute, Forbes, the New York Times, Daily Kos, Esquire, The Atlantic, Salon and many others.

Many police departments laugh at and harass Americans
who exercise their right to free speech: Indeed – especially since police brutality against protesters has been so blatant in recent months, while no top bank executives have been prosecuted – many Americans believe that the police are protecting the bankers whose fraud brought down the economy instead of the American people:

SWATted: The Militarization of America’s Police

Perverse Federal policy incentives stemming from the "war on drugs" are overwhelming Americans' Fourth Amendment rights.
~ Radley Balko

Militarization of police - Wikipedia
Militarization of police refers to the use of military equipment and tactics by law enforcement officers. This includes the use of armored personnel carriers, assault rifles, submachine guns, flashbang grenades, grenade launchers, sniper rifles, and Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams. The militarization of law enforcement is also associated with intelligence agency-style information gathering aimed at the public and political activists, and a more aggressive style of law enforcement.

DAREyl SWAT Gates, LAPDog Perversions.
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/565
Got SqWAT?
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1775
Ganjawar Puppycide
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/385

10 states with the most lenient gun laws April 8, 2013
For the 5th year in a row, the Brady Campaign has issued a 100-point scorecard ranking all 50 states on the basis of laws that can reduce gun violence, such as background checks on all gun sales, permit-to-purchase requirements and limiting handgun purchases to one a month.

Machine guns are not illegal at the Federal level, however it has been illegal for unlicensed persons to make and register new ones since May 19th, 1986.

As of Feb 2015, there are 456,930 registered machine guns in the USA (Florida, Texas and Virginia have the most with each state having over 30,000). California, a state that no longer allows machine guns has over 29,000 registered machine guns!

Some states do not allow machine gun ownership. However, If you live in any of these 37 states you can own a legally transferable machine gun:

Legally, there are three types of machine guns:
~ Transferable
~ Pre-May Dealer Samples
~ Post-May Dealer Samples
~ You can own a machine gun if:
~ Do you waive your rights if you own a machine gun? Absolutely not!
~ How long does it take to get a machine gun?
~ The process of machine gun ownership is quite simple:

You can register your machine gun as an individual, a trust or a corporation and each option has positives and negatives:

Final thoughts:

As you can see, owning a machine gun is actually easy and there is no excuse for you not to go for it.

The only drawbacks to ownership that I can come up with are the waiting time for the processing of the BATFE paperwork, possible difficulty locating the exact one you want and the current market prices for fully-transferable machine guns.

There is a reason the full-auto selector switch is often called the ‘giggle switch’ or the ‘fun switch’.

Please let us know if we can help you locate a machine gun to buy.

While the real non lethal priorities/obsessions continue...

@USAGSessions
Eric Holder slams Sessions' 'almost obsession with marijuana'

Next. Come on GOPers, you send little girls to make hysterical whiny insinuations and wild off topic accusations, as your defenders of the BoR or just the BoRing?

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DdC 9 weeks 1 day ago
#28

Or steroids, booze and machine guns, oh my?

Muscle pumpers like Arnuld, Studio Wrestlers or Football hero's, MLB players are doing harm to themselves. Or the people they play with or even their own families. Roid Rage is a menace on its own. Now toss in auto=matic Military weapons of mass destruction. Or Juicers in Blue The ones they jerk flags at and threaten unemployment to those not genuflecting a piece of chinese plastic made with Iranian crude oil. Funding ISISISL

The symbol that represents American citizens BoRs. When it doesn't then it doesn't represent Americans. Ignorance putting symbols over flesh and blood is a part of History all too clear, it doesn't need repeating. Yet the sheep think of themselves and sell out their heritage and side with the terrorist, terrorizing the poor. Jailing the sick and disabled. Propaganda and daily threats. No time or eptness for dealing with disasters.

Side with ISISISI burning Ganja crops the same as the DEA. Over looking lies and passing gossip is disgusting. Nepotism replacing the integrity and ethics of the institutions. Revolving doors between corporate interest and government rubber stamps on untested poisons. Fracking or dumping waste into rivers and storing chemical waste in inner cities and hukes in rural areas. Wake the fuck up.

You protest against clean air and water, organic food and clean energy. Nature's medicine and field grown transportation. While spinning so fast with hypocrisy it truly should be mind boggling, proving you have no minds. Pro life killers, chickenhawks and chicken littles. opiates killing so you bust more pot that is reducing opiate overdoses and use in legal states. Then rally round the flagpole from foreign Steel or Aluminum, leeching into the ground water. Good example of your gullibility. The CSA putting my blue jeans as the same classification as heroin and crack. But every christmas stocking should be filled with machine guns. Your insanity is noted, just nod if you can hear me.

Ganja users long before the invention of christianity,
who adapted the Sythian ways. BG: Before GOPers

Archeology:
Ancient Temple Hashish Incense!
Did Jesus Inhale?

The Scythians – High Plains Drifters
The Scythians were a barbaric group of pre-Common Era nomadic tribes who are a fascinating example of an ancient cannabis using group. The Scythians played a very important part in the Ancient World from the seventh to first century BC. They were expert horsemen, and were one of the earliest peoples to master the art of riding and using horse-drawn covered wagons. This early high mobility is probably why most scholars credit them with the spread of cannabis knowledge throughout the ancient world. Indeed, the Scythian people traveled and settled extensively throughout Europe, the Mediterranean, Central Asia, and Russia, bringing their knowledge of the spiritual and practical uses for cannabis with them.

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Quote didi: ~ Harry J Anslinger 1st Drug Czar

☛ .the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.

☛ There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.

☛ Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.

Thank you Miss Rosa
The Racist Ganjawar

☛ Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men.

☛ Marihuana is the most violent drug in the history of mankind.

☛ Colored students at the University of Minnesota partying with (white) female students, smoking [marijuana] and getting their sympathy with stories of racial persecution. Result: pregnancy.

☛ By the tons it is coming into this country - the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him.

☛ Marijuana is taken by musicians.
And I'm not speaking about good musicians, but the jazz type...

☛ Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.

Nixon's Drug War
Re-Inventing Jim Crow, Targeting The Counter Culture

"Look, we understood we couldn't make it illegal to be young or poor or black in the United States, but we could criminalize their common pleasure. We understood that drugs were not the health problem we were making them out to be, but it was such a perfect issue...that we couldn't resist it."
- John Ehrlichman,
White House counsel to President Nixon
on the rationale of the War on Drugs.

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?
~ Richard Nixon
asking advisor Bob Haldeman

Once-Secret Nixon Tapes Show Why US Outlawed Pot
He also saw marijuana as part of the culture war that was destroying the United States, and claimed that Communists were using it as a weapon. "Homosexuality, dope, immorality in general," Nixon fumed. "These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff, they're trying to destroy us." His approach drug education was just a simplistic: "Enforce the law. You've got to scare them."

A Chicken Coup:
Chicken Hawks and Chicken Littles

http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/1155
GOPansy: Chicken Little Chickenhawks
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/sreply/1101

Bill O'Really's "Liberal's War on Christmas?" Hummmm.

The Psychedelic Secrets of Santa Claus

Modern Christmas traditions
are based on ancient mushroom-using shamans.

Although most people see Christmas as a Christian holiday, many of the symbols and icons we associate with Christmas celebrations are actually derived from the shamanistic traditions of the tribal peoples of pre-Christian Northern Europe.

The sacred mushroom of these people was the red and white amanita muscaria mushroom, also known as "fly agaric." These mushrooms are now commonly seen in books of fairy tales, and are usually associated with magic and fairies. This is because they contain potent hallucinogenic compounds, and were used by ancient peoples for insight and transcendental experiences.

Oh, now I see what all the fuss is about...
The family values party eh?

The True Spirits of an Old-Time Christmas
The Battle for Christmas - Stephen Nissenbaum - Google Books

Wantonness, Misrule and Chambering

Well, of course they had a good time during those wonderful nostalgic Christmases of the Good Old Days! Dressing up in the opposite sexes clothes, or some other uproarious costume, drowning in a steady flow of booze, and empowered by the anonymity and safety of unsanctioned public holiday gatherings! Back when agricultural cycles determined the pace and tone of human life Christmas was a month or more carnival of ritualized class upheaval, and generalized social and personal "Misrule." Let me be your Digital Ghost of Christmas Past and show you a bit of a Christmas past now so denied as to be forgotten by our cultural memory.

Plastic GOPers in Little Boxes
On the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes all the same

There’s a pink one and a green one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same

And the people in the houses
All went to the university
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same

And there’s doctors and lawyers
And business executives
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school

And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same

There’s a pink one and a green one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they’re all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same

rs allen 9 weeks 1 day ago
#29

I wonder how many degrees of separation we'd need to make connecting the Vegas shooting to the bundy ranch standoff? Do we know if paddock was part of that lawless BS? And even if he was or wasn't part of it just how far away was he from the same kind/type of mind set was he?

Hey DdC, this is my next sport'n gun I'm buying:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun

Wanna go hunt'n next year?

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Alberto Ceras 2 9 weeks 1 day ago
#30

I put in a plug for CNN's Don Lemon on another comment. If you don't watch him maybe you should. Fearless, impassioned, intelligent.

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DdC 9 weeks 1 day ago
#31

Hunting what? We have an organic market big as Safeway.

I'll be packin my Weapon of Mass Elation.

rs allen 9 weeks 1 day ago
#32

Cool, I've got some big calibar sativa for ammo.

I like quiet mountain tops to start a hunt.

I've got no fire in my parts, you gonna have those fire out by next year? There's always the high plain deserts, they always make for good hunting trips too.

rs allen 9 weeks 7 hours ago
#33

Yeh, no more silly trip'n talk. This is about weapons........er, guns.

Anyone that has seen a general electric minigun at work knows exactly what it's made for and capable of doing. So enough said there. But to the larger point of what DdC and in my small part have shown is that that particular weapon is not out of the reach of quite a large portion of the population. And how's that for a sobering thought?

It's seems to me that somber thought is what really is needed in re to weapons. Like when did the idea that a more armed society becomes a more polite society come to pass? A more peaceful society? A more open society? Well?.......... since when? When and why did america become so afraid that they think the only recourse is for each citizen to carry a semi on the hip wheather it be to church or to school or out to the bar for the night or for going on a milk run to the local? On the bye and bye ddc, I got a visit from a fed agent yesterday, sessions is on the move. What is it that makes so much of america so afraid? And why are they so consumed by that fear that they carry that wieght with them every day and then with them to bed it at night?

One wonders how many more silhouette targets, or dontcha ya know 'those others', they have to kill before their fears are resolved. There's always going to be that off the wall missed individual who goes off the rails of sanity be it with a hammer, a knife, a car or hell even a shovel or rock but com'on don't put a real means of mass carnage willingly into their hands just because you've got some childhood fear or some overblown sense of rambo hero exceptionalism dream.

Only punks carry weapons for no reason other than fear. And we now live in a nation of punks. And how self defeating is that?

Reflect.

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DdC 8 weeks 6 days ago
#34

I don't think I would have survived through Nixon, Ford, Reagan Bush, Clinton, Bush or now without silly trip'n talk.

They sell hate and hate trumps common sense. From the astro turf start up of the Teabags. The "protesters" paying for the venues were all insurance company puppets. Telling racist the people of color are making them pay for their health care. I heard a bogus goofy ass nurse claim it was because they make them take care of anyone, by law. So without ER care for all there is no safety net. ER care is more expensive and ACA was trying to get people into their own clinics without the expense. Insurance feared pre-existing coverage. But this nurse spouted out truth by mistake. Kill it and then replace it. In the interum no one is dealing with sick people. But then they jail them for pot so compassion seems to be what it is they are conserving.

Starting with the Dick Armey. Hate told the teabags blacks were eating up their taxes on healthcare or after that Obamacare. Hate kept cannabis illegal for the profiteers. Hate brings fear and fear brings authoritah to saved them. mho is an ECS deficiency from abstinence since 1937 or again in 1970 with Nixon. After 12,000 years of supplementing the ECS then cold turkey prohibition. Larger fear centers in the primal areas of the brain proves it to me. All the legal drugs and alcohol are synthetics exacerbating the problem that the authoritarians suck up like a straw.

Hitler or Trump would never have finished the debates if they hadn't sparked the flames. The NRA is purely greed since Reagans. Hunters were dwindling and fear was all they had left. Toss in religionists who even Hitler acknowledged their blind faith and beliefs were the easiest to manipulate. They are already glad to stand in whatever hate line they are told. Trump has done nothing so far other than divide the people. Who ever thinks they are getting something or winning over their opponents losing something is not following the beliefs of the forefathers or Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

All while jerking flags as their plastic way to sell patriotism. Which is as Un-American as bringing in Christianity or demonizing Muslims and Atheists. Nixon got the Controlled Substance Act riding the hate the media put out against blacks feeding people they called radicals. Hippies they called dope fiends and white radicals they call Liberals. Then lumping in medicinal and hemp, never part of the 37 Marihuana Tax Act. Nixon pay back to corporatists and the southern strategy.

While Bannon and the alt reich go even further with billionaire backing who would love to rule Palestine and Israel in the name of Jesus homeland security. I really have no major complaints personally. compared to many thousands in the country. The reason we have dispensaries and a menu of strains and products is by Obama not enforcing the law. He didn't have the power or guts to change it but that's the best its ever been. That's sorry. Now Sessions is having orgasims weaseling ways to circumvent the Cole memo. Easy targets picking off dying ALS patients or seniors too frail to fight or go out and find it. Free Country is another oxymoron. Less oppressed is also losing ground.

Both sides always get shafted and the reason white rural areas are the most impoverished, with the least resources. Another political trickery tossing in pride or Protestant work ethics stigmatizing them from using government benefits, at the risk of their own kids. Same with privatizing schools and curriculum with Monsanto textbooks making false statements on their products. Or home schooling religionists textbooks excerpted from the KJV. All taken from a lopsided budget starting the inequality in the first place. They decided to cure with integration and daily riots. Never met a politician that would answer a direct question or I could trust to keep any promises made in the campaign. Clear that money is the Prophet they worship. Trickle down like manna from heaven and then find it gives people worms.

Liberals whining and pointing fingers over obvious bigotry towards women and people of color. Are belittled and stigmatized via Faux News, the same route to demonize pot or the counterculture. To think someone doesn't mean it, or know it hurts people is an ignorant cop out. Bigotry is taught, and is just another goofy childish lie with no Science. The only benefactors are those getting cheaper labor by paying the stigmatized less.

The bigots are tied to their incomes, they don't want equality if it means less pay. The words out the Blackish are coming. like segregation and a lame ass Congress not giving equal materials and textbooks to give all Americans a common good education. Higher education is a threat to profiteers questioning their methods. Same as a computer printing out the bottom line each day and recommending the best solutions to raise the bottom line. Means sick people and those in prison are higher numbers than healthy "law abiding" citizens. Depending on what laws are fabricated to remove groups the same as Nixon.

People regulate explosives. Used by trained personnel and yet the NRA has convinced politicians, with large donations, that everyone is trained at birth. Even with people who seem to agree with climate change, just no human contribution. All that smoke from the stacks go into the same finite atmosphere. Ton after ton year after year. Drip a drop of dye into a pond and it will turn colors. Eat nothing but carrots and you will turn trump orange.

But all this CO2 and Methane has no bearing? These are the very same that believe in reefer madness and voting goper in spite of the candidates ideology or record. To dismantle the Constitution and with World Banks and G-20 Trade Orchestrations will gladly trade them a little safety for some of their Liberty. 99 they battled Seattle and 01 made it a free for all to squash it with Patriot Axes giving the Neocons exemptions to the BoR. As the Ganjawar gives them forfeiture laws and confiscation permission to rob banks accounts. Then the guilty before trial have to take them to court to get it back. This is the America mostly goper sheep want.

Always something the people don't know about, because its rare or doesn't actually happen. Sessions arresting someone for laughing or busting the victim of Nazi bigots beating him. Or now crawling up to Congress with snot running out of his nose. Licking boots until his tongue is green. For them to let him bust sick people. Ain't that America home of the free, baby! Little pink houses. Don't seem to know a damn thing until they are told its happening by Handity or Rush with NBC exerting their rights to not say a thing. Even if they still haven't heard of real time events. They chip in and join the circus. I think sooner or later we have to ask. Are Americans worth saving if they're too dumbed down to take the Life Saver when its thrown? Or too bigoted, how many tries until they take it or drown?

45 years with Ganja and they continue to deny, hide and rage about it. Demanding more proof, while banning research, and not accepting research by Universities or foreign countries. Only FDA that has never tested it since 1937. Just blind belief with no evidence. While paying tax dollars to gossip queens, some media prints verbatim.

Yet deny CO2 contributes to extreme temperatures which the laws of thermodynamics states. The greater the distance in temps, the faster heat will travel to the colder temps. If its air, its 50+mph winds spreading infernos or heat expands all matter, including finite oceans flooding Floridians Peurto Ricans and Texans.

So the people have to decide to accept it or refuse it. As long as they are more afraid of liberals or liberals afraid of gopers. The moneysluts will profit. I advocate Cannabis for all people. They advocate prohibition for profits, terrorizing Americans. The mere fact that more people are dying and using hard drugs than ever, says the war on some drugs is really only the same old war on some people. Hysterically legislating anti-drug laws at the same time they cry about it being too soon to legislate gun laws. Who ya gonna call? DEA Ghost busters?

If these fires come into my neck of the woods I'm considering a houseboat in Tahiti. Get away from Drumpf idiocies at the same time. Worst fire in CA history and not a word from the asshole in chief. Fire fighters working 3 shifts. No warning for many. Not a word about Fed troops or freeing disaster funds. With Uncle Ben Carson dealing with HUD gutting while 2000 some are now homeless. From a still unnamed source. I've heard from a resident who lost his home that they heard transformers exploding and thought PGE was liable. He had insurance but lost about everything. Saved two female plants he put in his car trunk .I'm always suspicious of "things" happening around Harvest time. DEA repelling down with choppers over dry tinder and weeds. I could see the little worm Sessions holding a flame thrower grinning. Then run away when it got out of control. Over developing profits and Nestles profits, exporting water when fire fighters are running out. The drought didn't stop them either.

Unless wingnut boy provokes wingnut boy into something inevitably stupid. As far as taken things seriously, I think off the wall and laughter is always best. Especially when dealing with Neocon Chihuahuas and Liberals are showing their past cowardice, finally getting around to dealing with Weinstein. (no one dealt with Trump doing the same). Who still proves they aren't really going forward since HW has no clout these days and those in power continue to take advantage. The same as GOPers threatening players with loss of pay if they kneel down during the nationalists anthem. Well I'm sure its 4:20 somewhere.

rs allen 8 weeks 6 days ago
#35

Well yes there is always the generals and majors to make 'it' all worthwhile as a last resort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZuMB2e4pfs

I'm waiting for the athletes on the field to realize f'ck it I already have more money in the bank than I can spend in this life time just by signing on the dotted line. Screw it, let'm fire me I'd rather hang at the pool and watch the bouncing bettys anyways. So yeh, to hell with it; let those lazy twits in the stands go down on the field and beat their heads in for god and their damned racist country.

Heck maybe the nfl in an effort to make the spectacle more entertaining will institute a conceal carry permit on the field of play. Tweeeeeet! Fifteen yards for shooting inside of 10 yards against?????????????the offense... Groan.

And now while the injured player is carried off the field....a word from bud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSSvzCNBvlQ

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DdC 8 weeks 6 days ago
#36

I remember when the Pgh. Steelers Ernie Holmes was busted for firing a shotgun at a cop chopper.. The owner, Dan Rooney bailed him out. If memory serves he didn't miss a game. The NFL has been selling humans to other teams. They even claim them as their property. Racism is still dividing players and now threats to fire players or make them lose income benching them for a real issue lost by the owners. If any job had the abysmal record the NFL has in the health of their employees, they would be fined out of business.

110 out of 111 players atopsied had brain damage from multiple concussions. Trying to keep their paychecks. So will any of them risk the window of opportunity to make big bucks in a few years? So far its been divided between black and white players. Another red herring when its only racism due to lopsided white police brutality. The point is police brutality, not race. The fact its mostly blacks being harassed makes it racial but its bottom line is police not adaquately trained or placed in situations causing confrontations. I remember in FL a woman cop said she rarely has confrontations because she tries to treat the suspects as human and they arespect her for it. Most men will just brutalize and cuff em. Risking escalation in domestic violence cases. Cops should not be given authority to be judge jury and exicutioner. The owners shouldn't be allowed to coerce patriotism when UnConstitutional treatment is taking place on a regular basis.

Anyone who can't distinguish the difference between a plastic symbol and real people doesn't deserve a job or an NFL team. Since the NFL is a corporation, there is nothing patriotic about it. Singing the nationalist anthem or jerking a plastic flag. What's next the stolen pledge of allegiance adding under God. Written by a Socialist and yet even old wrinkled up GHW Bush said.

“I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.”
― George H.W. Bush

What’s Conservative about the Pledge of Allegiance?
Very little, as it turns out. From its inception, in 1892, the Pledge has been a slavish ritual of devotion to the state, wholly inappropriate for a free people. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as “Jesus the Socialist.”

His original Pledge read as follows:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to[a] the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all
~ Francis Julius Bellamy
(May 18, 1855 – August 28, 1931)

The recital was accompanied with a salute to the flag known as the Bellamy salute, described in detail by Bellamy. During World War II, the salute was replaced with a hand-over-heart gesture because the original form involved stretching the arm out towards the flag in a manner that resembled the later Nazi salute.

I don't know that Nazi's should be considered citizens,
nor should they be considered patriots.”

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

When Nazis held mass rallies in Madison Square Garden
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From Whom Did the Fascists Get Support?
Whom Did the Fascists Support?
There is a vast literature on who supported the Nazis, but relatively little on whom the Nazis supported after they came to power. This is in keeping with the tendency of conventional scholarship to avoid the entire subject of capitalism whenever something unfavorable might be said about it. Whose interests did Mussolini and Hitler support?

Censoring our roots or the benefits of Ganja is not the acts of a Free Society. Those who refuse to see the truth are bound to repeat it.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Rita Mae Brown, the mystery novelist.
In her 1983 book "Sudden Death,"
rs allen 8 weeks 5 days ago
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The nfl is a joke among civilized people and particularly now with this bull over what is acceptable as proper behavior if one is going to play. I guess it's okay to beat your wife unconscious (on tape by the way) but you can still be a star on the field. It's alright if you're a rapist sign here because we need you as a first class quarterback. Oh that little bar fight last night, pffff don't worry about it you should always go first. Dui? Nah that goes away snap just like that. WTF!!!? Dog fights? What were you thinking, never mind we want you out between those hash marks. Oh shit beating your wife again? Com'on out we want those 4.2 yards per carry.

And any bets on how soon Aaron Hernandez would be back out there if his lawyers could have found an out for him? After all he only killed 3 or 4 people but boy could he run routes and catch a ball.

But now it's unacceptable to quietly protest the inequality that is intentionally inflicted upon CERTAIN peoples within this society? Yeh, those nfl owners sure are all stand up guys alright.

The nfl is a joke among civilized society.

So today it'll all be showcased again.....who'll stand and who'll kneal for a jingoistic anthem that celebrates genocide, racism and white world wet dreams.

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