i don't understand why this is so hard for our gov. to figure out
I have to pay a lot out of my own pocket for healthcare (and my employer) with a very high deductable and they hardly payout anything but doctors visit.
I would rather pay into Medicare for all to the gov. then to blue cross (or other healh insurance aggencies) which makes millions of dollars of profit. the gov. is non profit and i would rather get my care like my mom does. I don't mind paying the same amount of money and being able to get more out of my insurance.
love you my fellow dem's


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Kilosqrd 1 year 10 weeks ago


I have the perfect solution for you. Move to Canada. Maybe you can even move in with Zapdam.


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zapdam. 1 year 9 weeks ago

Quote Anna "I don't understand why this is so hard for our gov. to figure out" Anna I can think of a trillions reasons, the are all green and have the portraits of past Presidents. Thom has mentioned numerous times the bloated 'for profit' overhead alone over costs your health system 500 billion a year.

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zapdam. 1 year 9 weeks ago

Quote Kilo "ANNAPESCE, I have the perfect solution for you. Move to Canada. " Kilo how clever, is that on your list of replies provided by your handlers or did you just pull that out of somewhere.

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zapdam. 1 year 9 weeks ago

I live in Canada and we've had single payer government run health care since 1967, when the Liberal Party of Canada to the howls of protest from the right wing 'OFFICIALLY' implemented 'unconditional health care for ALL our citizens.

In Canada you are covered with full health care birth to death, NO EXCEPTIONS. AND it's paid for out of general TAX revenues, there are NO health care premiums to pay.

Do Canadians like our health care system, NO, they actually LOVE IT. A recent poll found 89% of Canadians are quite happy with our government run health care.

ALL this talk of Canadians running south over the border, is nothing but right wing and HMO propaganda. Canada's health care STOPS at its border, so why would a Canadian go to the US , spend a couple hundred thousand dollars for a bypass they can get back at home for free.

Are there ANY DEATH PANELS, NO , that term was created by the right wing and HMO's to terrorize Americans into submitting to the obscene 'FOR PROFIT ' system. BUT actually there are DEATH PANELS , they're the HMO's that create premiums you can't afford or deny you health care services or look for reasons to deny you service.

IN Canada it is AN OFFENSE for any hospital clinic or doctor to bill you directly, ALL billing must be done through the government. Under our system you are free to pick your choice of doctors any doctor you like.

Is our health care system buring Canadians in debt and causing high taxes. Actually our tax rate is 15% on the FIRST 46 thousand dollars you earn.

The person who is responsible for creating Canada's health care system, is Tommy Douglas , a preacher turned socialist who as Premier( Governor) of one of our provinces was first to give his citizens free health care back in the early 1960's. If you are familiar with actor Kieffer Sutherland , most recently starring in DESIGNATED SURVIVOR , Tommy Douglas is his Grandfather. Keiffer recently in an interview , says he models his character as President of the United States after his Grandfather.

Is our health care working, well we live longer than Americans, we're rated 11th in the world in life expectancy , the US is 42nd.
No one dies from lack of health care, everyone's covered. No one has to sell their home or go bankrupt just to save the life of a love one.

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BenDorigan 1 year 8 weeks ago

Well said, zapdam. At some point we Americans decided, if not tacitly, that it is okay to profit on the treatment/healing of the sick in this country. And not just profit a little, profit GROSSLY. The reason healthcare costs so much in America is that everyone involved: insurance providers, drug makers, hospitals, etc. are getting really rich, all because people have suffered the misfortune of getting cancer, or whatever terrible condition. Americans have been bread to believe that healthcare is no different from shoes, video games, and bananas, and should be governed by the same forces of market Capitalism, i.e. the quest for profit. A glaring difference, though, is that unlike the later, the healthcare industry provides to a hostage market. The sick or ailing must have the product/service to avoid actual suffering or death. That's a lot different than the suffering that comes from not having the latest iphone, or choosing oranges instead of bananas due to price. Since this market of infirm is hostage to what they provide, often as the sole, patent-protected provider (as in the case with prescription drugs), they charge as much as they can. The latest Hep C drug emerged at as much as $95,000 for the round, I think 3 or 4 pills, all to keep the investor class on the golf course or on hunting trips with fine scotch in their glasses. Our healthcare costs will never go down significantly unless and until we say to everyone involved in healthcare, "you just can't charge that much for the treatment of the sick. It's just immoral, and most of them can’t afford it." I don't mind anyone making a living. I have a problem when they make a killing off the dying.

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DawnSparks 40 weeks 2 days ago

I totally agree with you. Paying for Medicare plans would be more beneficial than paying for the health insurance as it gives you more services and benefits. But the Medicare and Medigap benefits are only for the senior citizen above age 65 and for the disabled people who qualifies disability criteria. So, I hope that Medicare should get for all someday.

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