The argument that prohibiting me from discriminating at the lunch counter that I own is flawed.

Libertarians say that the prohibition limits my freedom.

True. It does. But you are NOT free to punch someone in the nose just because you feel like it.

Freedom implies responsibility. Your "rights" end where my nose begins.

The freedom of the black guy who wants to eat lunch is hurt far worse by allowing such discrimination

than yours is by prohibiting it.

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monsieurb54 9 years 35 weeks ago
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The argument that prohibiting me from discriminating at the lunch counter that I own is flawed.

Libertarians say that the prohibition limits my freedom.

True. It does. But you are NOT free to punch someone in the nose just because you feel like it.

Freedom implies responsibility. Your "rights" end where my nose begins.

The freedom of the black guy who wants to eat lunch is hurt far worse by allowing such discrimination

than yours is by prohibiting it.

There are two accepted forms of liberty: "negative liberty" and "positive liberty". Negative liberty is the freedom *from* aggression -- ie you are free not to be taxed, regulated, spied on, etc by a coercive government appartus that existed prior to your existence and demand extortion payments (taxes) that are no different from a mobster demanding extorting from a corner liquor store. Negative liberty also means you are free not to be kidnapped, raped, robbed, shot, mugged, etc. The government's action include all these, but its smoke and mirrors propaganda (ex// slogans like "We the People" *are* the government) allow them to get away with it (war = murder, taxes = extortion/theft).

Positive liberty is freedom to act within certain situations. Freedom to have good health, freedom to have good schools, etc.

Negative liberty is the truest definition of liberty -- and not only is positive liberty a sort of Orwellian twist on the term, but it is entirely subjective. Who decides what is a "fair wage"? Who decides what is "decent healthcare"? That's one of the key troubles of it.

And actually, the nose-punching and lunch-counter examples do not correlate. You cannot punch someone in the nose because it violates my negative liberty -- ie my self-ownership of my body. But someone trespassing on private property is violating the negative liberty of the property owner which is a natural extension of individual self-ownership of one's body.

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