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When the federal Government enjoins into a treaty with Native americans,

they Empowered Native sovernties.

the states have no standing to change those treaties, and cannot relinguish

anything it has never owned nor possesed.

Although history is full of such actions by the states, although by the treaties

all such action is illegal.


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k. allen 2 years 28 weeks ago

How true.

Has anyone looked at the TPP in relation to the rights of sovereign nations as corporate entities to challenge the US congress regarding historic and ongoing violations of these treaties? Is this one key factor in the battle for individual states' rights over federal jurisdiction? Do any of these authoritative bodies have power over rampant appetites of consumer culture and those who guide that process ... who/what, really is the 'top of the food chain?'

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Hein Marker 2 2 years 28 weeks ago

The deeper aspects of Native - Christian/European/"American" relations and mutual perceptions in the context of current events revolve around understanding, awareness of, cosmology of the spirit. Early in the history of Christianity leaders denied the idea that humans could experience, reach, or experience the spirit. During the Middle Ages thinkers/believers who propounded the ideal that humans could reach the spirit, a realm in which God only exists and where humans would experience only after death and then infinitely based on the judgment of hellish or heavenly deserts, were deemed heretical and subject to torture and death. The Catholic Church continued leveling charges of heresy through the 19th Century against thinkers such as Anton Gunther (1783-1826) whose books were "forbidden". This dogma continues to underpin Catholic/ Christian perceptions of science today. Native Americans (many of whom would rather be called by their tribal/band names) hold, at root, a cosmology which begins with the existance of "the Great Spirit" the experience of which/whom many of them seek and assert having had experience of in the course of their lives. What deeper divide can there be between cultures/ people who on one side view human nature as two-fold, body and soul (material physical; ideal thinking and feeling) - and on the other three-fold (body, soul, spirit)? There is no doubt that the media presents a very materialistically determined point of view which, unfortunately, reflects standard attitudes in the capitalistic western civilization. One means of beginning efforts to bridge the apparent gap referred to above is to study current research on the human brain and the implications such studies have for better understanding of human growth and development; and understanding human psychology which is the western scientific branch which deals most deeply with conditions of the human soul.

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k. allen 2 years 28 weeks ago

That's a mouthful. So, are you saying spiritual orientation influences world view, systems networks and laws that govern culture? Ok.

What spirit drives the breaking of treaties made in good faith?

What spirit endorses blatant neglect, disrespect, decimation of life - murder, rape and pillage still ongoing in the name of freedom, and progress?

What laws can justify appetite driven negligence in consumer culture that turns all sacred grounds into property to be bought and sold - owned and controlled ... consumed and left as waste for others to clean?

I view indigenous spirituality as far more than two-fold in nature ..., more, manifold, as a perpetual unfolding of the Great Spirit which is inclusive, and source of _all_ life ... what some would refer to as God.

The three-fold perspective of Christian traditions points to this in the Golden Rule and the first law, to 'love the LORD your God with all your heart, and soul and mind, and as yourself, your neighbor love' ... if only the western mind could comprehend the common ground.

..., back to sacred grounds versus property rights (and wrongs) ....

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k. allen 2 years 28 weeks ago

..., not to mention, the subject of this thread, the matter of Native Sovereignty.

So, what I hear from Sam is that, in fact, those treaties have been made with the federal government - not the individual states, meaning the fed is the higher authority when treaty rights are in question.

Who can deny these rights have been violated, consistently - from the beginning of this country, when 'the founders' found use for resources, support and hospitality, even to the extent of borrowing from (plagiarizing?) the existing laws of the land as they crafted the constitution of a new world dream ... and yet, could not begin to fathom that these people were, in fact human ..., cultured ..., connected to the cosmos in ways western science may complement, yet never fully comprehend - especially 300 years back.

Who can say what laws will stand the test of time?

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k. allen 2 years 24 weeks ago

Winona LaDuke - Ojibwe

"Someone needs to explain to me why wanting clean drinking water makes you an activist, and why proposing to destroy water with chemical warfare doesn't make a corporation a terrorist."

"Whether we have wings or fins, or roots or paws... we are all relatives."

Fort Laramie Treaty - 1868

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"As long as the grass is green, as long as the sky is blue, as long as the rain falls on the planet, these lands will belong to the Sioux."
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"The Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851 clearly affirmed all of this land as sovereign, unceded territory belonging to the Great Sioux Nation."
Read more at :
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This is also a person to contact... The police being used are local police and controlled by the state... The current state governor is a Republican.
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United Nations investigating...
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k. allen 2 years 24 weeks ago

If we build our dreams on lies, they will wash away like sand castles with incoming tides ... people of America, over and above all the things and stuff for which so many ((and so few)) give thanks ...

What truths do we celebrate today?

So, people, in most sincere prayer ... whoever we are ... whatever our faith ... can we pray to cleanse the waters of life from the toxins that poison our soul ... open the eyes, ears, hearts and minds of all people to recognize, and honor the ocean of life that is our source?

(( ... and clean it up - oh, and learn to keep our promises, too ... ))

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k. allen 2 years 24 weeks ago

Tasunke Witko (Crazy Horse) - Oglala Lakota:

"The First Nations shall rise again and it shall be a blessing for a sick world; a world filled with broken promises, selfishness and separations; a world longing for light again. I see a time of seven generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the Sacred Tree of Life and the whole earth will become one circle again. In that day, there will be those among the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among all living things and the young white ones will come to those of my people and ask for this wisdom. I salute the light within your eyes where the whole universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you and I am at that place within me, we shall be one."

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