I completely agree that Trump is a master in the art of media misdirection. But it takes two to "racialize" or "patriotize." If Fox, MSNBC and CNN were calling this what it is, a simple legal question of the players' right to free speech in the workplace, instead of saying it's about racism or patriotism, it would go away. But that would not help their ratings very much.

I cannot speak politically at work. My right to free speech does not apply there and I, and every other American who works for someone else can be fired for political speech in the workplace. Ask any legal scholar. I don't like it, but I have to suck it up because those are the rules set down by my employer. Why should NFL players believe they are different?

What they are protesting is fine, but wouldn't they do more good by going to communities affected by police violence and mentoring children instead of grandstanding on Sunday football TV?

Does this need to be talked about on a national stage? Of course not. But both sides keep talking about it and both sides hope to score some political points over #takeaknee and #standfortheflag. But it's really about neither of those things.

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louisewhite 1 year 6 weeks ago
#1

Wondering if the shooter in Las Vegas this morning was addicted to foxnews...

Coalage3 1 year 6 weeks ago
#2

Just the opposite Louise. He must be left leaning...the media would be all over themselves if there were any proof he was a Fox news watcher. According to some analyst on CNN, he must have hated Trump because he shot up country music fans. Everybody knows that country music lovers are right wing nuts.

Coalage3 1 year 6 weeks ago
#3

From Robert Robb: http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2017/10/02/donald-trump-nfl-protest-race-democrats/717896001/

Excerpts:

The left has talked itself into believing that Trump’s alleged appeals to white racism were what put him over the top.

More astute psephologists have pointed out that the actual difference was made by people in industrial states who previously had voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, but switched to Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hard to attribute those decisions to white racism.

Nevertheless, the left now interprets all of Trump’s actions through the prism of perceived appeals to white racism. If Trump were to tweet, “It’s a lovely day in Washington,” the left would denounce it as a dog whistle to white supremacists.

According to the left, since the players were protesting racial injustice, Trump was endorsing racial injustice by criticizing them. There goes that dog whistle!

To most Americans, that’s nuts.

I’m not much of a flag waver. And I’ve never really understood why sporting events begin with the playing of the national anthem. Doesn’t seem a particularly apposite occasion for a display of patriotic fidelity.

But it is part of American tradition. And traditions matter.

You don’t have to be a racist to find galling the spectacle of pampered athletics, making millions of dollars playing a game, hosted in taxpayer-subsidized stadiums, benefiting from an antitrust exemption, ostentatiously exempting themselves from the traditional display of fidelity to our country.

The argument by some that the protest isn’t really about the flag and national anthemrings hollow. If you do it during the national anthem, it is about the flag and the national anthem.

What is bewildering is that the NFL and the left seem to believe that they are winning this fight with Trump. Let’s see. Honor the flag and the national anthem. Or not. Yep, Trump is certainly on the wrong side of that issue.

A reaction against political correctness was certainly part of what propelled Trump to victory. Most leaders on the right flinch from it. Trump is impervious, even contemptuous, of it. There are small pockets of white supremacists in the United States. They are unimportant. Generally speaking, white Middle Americans aren’t racists. They don’t long for a return to Jim Crow. They’re just sick of having identity and grievance politics thrown in their faces all the time.

If the left continues to tell Middle Americans they are racists, Trump will be re-elected.

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DdC 1 year 6 weeks ago
#4

When people discern the difference between plastic symbols and real people. Then we won't have gun nuts buying military weapons of mass destruction easier than a joint that never mass destructed anyone. I wonder if Drumpfy has an alibi?

Las Vegas Shooter Was Known To Verbally Abuse His Girlfriend In Public. Has known ties with Real Estate and Property sales people. Portrait emerging of Las Vegas shooter as man 'descending into madness'

Coalage3 1 year 5 weeks ago
#5

Or maybe when people discern the difference between millionaires complaining about the "system" that allows them to be millionaires, and real people who have real problems.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 1 year 5 weeks ago
#6

So now you try to turn the central argument onto a point of envy? Cute, real cute.

Alright mr. Kloustered Koal Kountry, 'if only' you had the same platform what would you do?

Let's get this straight mr. KKK, all those overwhelmingly BLACK athletes/entertainers earn every damn penny. So piss off.

Coalage3 1 year 5 weeks ago
#7

I never said they didn't "earn" their money, did I....so you piss off.

Of course its envy, and a touch of pity thrown in for good measure. But you would know all about the envy since the democratic party decided long ago to make class envy a standard of its philosophy. You just now figuring that out? Where have you been?

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 1 year 5 weeks ago
#8

AND GET THIS mr. KKK: none of your side long bullshit has any relative connection with what it is about. So now go suck your thumb in the corner and lamment on the great lost cause.

Or go to school.

Coalage3 1 year 5 weeks ago
#9

You going to build me a school RS? That seems to be a pet peeve with you, even though you cannot explain why that will help education in any way. The fact you don't even try to refute my "long bullshit" tells me it is strking close to home. You are just a typical left leaning, elitist, name caller who contributes very little and won't even bother to back up what you claim. I actually thought you used to think before you responded on these topics, but you continually prove me wrong.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 1 year 5 weeks ago
#10

Well it is long bullshit for sure but that's not what I said, I said SIDE LONG BULLSHIT. See the difference? Now I could have said illogical, oblique, tortuous or any number of other modifiers for bullshit but you don't read too well, do you? So I kept it simple for you.

Answering any question for/to you involves just another round of SIDE LONG BULLSHIT questions and demands from you demanding answers. Er, rather like dealing with a 4th grade aged child.

Learn to read and you'll see all your questions are answered again and again.

Go to school child.

You however are not the topic of this thread are you, so let's get on about those 'pampered' athletes that are 'allowed' to make millions having the right but for some reason shouldn't interupt your white world wet dreams.

Coalage3 1 year 5 weeks ago
#11

Well well...you finally said something that might be construed as half-way sensible. You are right that the athletes should not interrupt the football fans dreams any longer. The athletes made their point. If they continue, it will get to be more irritating than enlightening.

But I see you also wrote "white world wet dreams". So you think that the only people who don't necessarily support the protests are all white? Really?

Its okay to not answer any of my questions. Its still a free country (for now). I get it... you don't have any answers. Don't worry...I will never again ask you for another answer to a question. Your non-responses are answers enough.

rs allen 1 year 5 weeks ago
#12

Ach, you are f'kin dense. No one is interupting any football games.

Or did you confuse football with white world wet dreams (what the flag and star spangled banner is) and thinking they were one and the same?

' Pampered athletes', are your words or words you quoted.........they are not pampered fool. They are used like tools, cared for until they are not useful any longer then thrown into a scape heap. That is not pampered.

'Allowed to play', again your words.........no they are given large incentives to break their bodies apart for your entertainment. And by the way on those large incentives, just how much do you think the owners make? The owners are the people that cajole or blackmail the saps into paying for their studiums and then they sit to rake in the profits. 'Allowed to play' indeed. Up yours. No body would see any football that was much above high school skill level without those incentives for those 'allowed to play' athletes.

Enough about football because the protest is NOT about football. The protest, jerk off, is about waking america from your white world wet dreams.

From now on KKK............. you can talk to the hand.

Or donate.

http://kaepernick7.com

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DdC 1 year 5 weeks ago
#13

He's just another Southern Counterfeit leaning Chihuahua, repeating gossip with no sense of what America even stands for. He would have been the first to protect the Kings interest and spread gossip about the colonies. A snitch turning in families hiding from the red coats. Such a fool can't even see the hypocrisy of protecting the plastic flag over the rights to piss on it if need be.

Although they want to legislate penis and vagina police to infringe upon a womans rights to govern her body. Or let cop perverts do body cavity searches on children. Then show their illiteracy in not knowing what a comma in the 2nd amendment means, giving the militias the right to bear arms. Now he assumes people, especially black people who happen to be athletes, give up their rights for a paycheck.

First, most of the stadiums are paid with taxes making them public domain to kneel or sit or not even be there. The players have the same rights as a fan sitting during the anthem. Not that football is long for this world with 110 out of 111 examined having brain damage. Just as a public service, kids should be banned from playing such a brutal game. Even if the so called family values party has no concern.

Not that there is any sense in jerking a flag or singing a racist nationalist anthem at a sporting event. Pretend wars on the gridiron? Like pitting 16 American armies against another 16 American armies. 32 armies in a civil war every Sunday, Monday and Thursday with kids in college on Saturday and High School kids on Friday. Oh so quick to try to remove climate change from curriculum's, but football and nationalist pep rallies psyching out kids into rage and hate against the other armies they will fight on the "battlefield" or gridiron. Pretend war for kids, maybe teaching them what a comma means would be more prudent at this juncture.

Singing a racist nationalist anthem with absolutely no meaning in this world of global policing for profits. Scum rises to the top and when juniors like coaldust inherit money, like trump. They think its envy that people don't take them seriously when they try to protect plastic at the expense of American citizens. Same as his god donald. Paying MalWart minimum wages to import chinese plastic flags made from Iranian crude oil. No benefits or overtime so tax payers make up the health care of their children.

Naturally never questioning the dead beat, dodging weasels stashing their responsibility in offshore accounts. Or now drumpfy dumpty wants to make it even easier. Just letting them dodge taxes legally with exemptions. More of what HW Bush called Trickle down Voodoo economics. Hasn't reached the rednecks since Rayguns promised it would. But they are so gullible, Rush Limbough could tell them their own children were liberal commies and they would disown them. Blind faith of a puppy dog. Chihuahuas sitting on the laps of fascists yapping at anyone who calls their bullshit. Protecting their money gods in the name of sadomoralism.

So to be clear the Chihuahuas claim they need guns for protection, and constitutional protection for plastic flags to jerk at the military and police that they pay taxes for, To protect the white trash from big guvmint busting down their doors to take their guns. But the dipshits don't even contemplate it will be the police or military busting down the door they will then shoot and kill to defend their act. In name of the 2nd amendment. Wonder what the cops and military think about their gun religion and the church of the NRA if that thought ever surfaces in the deep dark dank corners of their mind, or mindlessness is more like it.

Coalage3 1 year 5 weeks ago
#14

Ha Ha...good one RS. Donate to Kaepernick...that's a good one. Why are we sending him money? How much did you give?

By the way...you used the word "interrupt", not me. The more you keep using the KKK reference just reinforces the fact that you have no answers (or at least no rational answers). Most progressives like to break out the personal attacks when they got nothing else to say.

DdC, and what few other posters remain here, mistakenly believe that every problem the country faces is because of republicans. The democrats are just as culpable. The democratic party has gone downhill since Reagan was in office, and they have never returned to what made them attractive to the working man and poor in this country. For some truly strange reason, they seem determined to keep slowly going down the road to oblivion.

When Donald "Freakin" Trump is able to beat a seasoned democratic mainstay for president, (and his win was not because of white supremacists either), when the majority of states are controlled by republican governors and legislatures, then the democrats have a huge problem. Lets hear it one more time...Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump. How bad has the democratic brand become where that can happen?

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

Coalage3 1 year 5 weeks ago
#15

From NFL commissioner Roger Goodell: https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/nfl-owners-rule-demand-players-stand-national-anthem/

In the letter, Goodell wrote that the “current dispute over the national anthem is threatening to erode the unifying power of our game, and is now dividing us, and our players, from many fans across the country.”

“Like many of our fans, we believe that everyone should stand for the national anthem,” Goodell wrote in a letter Schefter shared on Facebook. “It is an important moment in our game. We want to honor our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us. We also care deeply about our players and respect their opinions and concerns about critical social issues. The controversy over the Anthem is a barrier to having honest conversations and making real progress on the underlying issues. We need to move past this controversy, and we want to do that together with our players.”

An earlier report said that NLF owners were already considering to make a rule change that would ban players from kneeling during the national anthem.

Coalage3 43 weeks 1 day ago
#16

Shelby Steele weighs in about the protests: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/racial-protest-collective-narcissism/

Excerpts:

It is not surprising, then, that these black football players would don the mantle of protest. The surprise was that it didn’t work. They had misread the historical moment. They were not speaking truth to power. Rather, they were figures of pathos, mindlessly loyal to a black identity that had run its course. What they missed is a simple truth that is both obvious and unutterable: The oppression of black people is over with. This is politically incorrect news, but it is true nonetheless. We blacks are, today, a free people. It is as if freedom sneaked up and caught us by surprise.

Of course this doe not mean there is no racism left in American life. Racism is endemic to the human condition, just as stupidity is. We will always have to be on guard against it. But now it is recognized as a scourge, as the crowning immorality of our age and our history.

Protest always tries to make a point. But what happens when that point has already been made — when, in this case, racism has become anathema and freedom has expanded? [F]reedom put blacks at the risk of being judged inferior, the very libel that had always been used against us.

To hear, for example, that more than 4,000 people were shot in Chicago in 2016 embarrasses us because this level of largely black-on-black crime cannot be blamed simply on white racism. Watching the antics of Black Lives Matter is like watching people literally aspiring to black victimization, longing for it as for a consummation.

rs allen 42 weeks 5 days ago
#17

Aah yes KKK, words from the stormfront or their lackeys never fail to illuminate the mental shallowness and moral degradation of those who continuely spread their poisoned words for them.

Grow a pair and admit you're a racist pig KKK.

Man up for a change.

rs allen 42 weeks 5 days ago
#18

*duplicate post edited out*

Coalage3 42 weeks 3 days ago
#19

Your insults are illuminating. No response as usual. Just the racist spoutings. Send your hate and bigoted remarks to the author Shelby Steele.

rs allen 42 weeks 3 days ago
#20

Who posted it here kkk?

I could deconstruct that cute little racist tripe for you, but to what avail? It'd only be a rehash of what we've gone over and over and yet over again while you'll be straying off into unrelated childish rants while ignoring both the questions directly answered and related questions asked of you. It's the same play book you use with every topic when you choose to throw your puerile opinions about and then called out on them.

Grow a pair and own up to what you are.

Coalage3 42 weeks 3 days ago
#21

You are the only child posting here. Proof? Your rants are the same. Racist, racist, racist. You sound like the little kid of on the playground. That's always your only reply. Of course I posted it. Why? Because it so accurately disputes your beliefs. Maybe SS is on to something.

You have libertal hyprocrits disease. That is, no one can disagree with me or else you must be racist, even though you are just as much a racist. Why don't you refute what Steele writes about instead of trying to kill the messenger? Is he wrong about the football protests, and why or why not? Are you having trouble forming a cogent response other than the racist tripe?

Come on RS...respond to the Steele viewpoint if you can. If you can't, just say so and we'll move on.

rs allen 42 weeks 3 days ago
#22

*see post #20*

Coalage3 42 weeks 3 days ago
#23

You say you can refute Shelby Steele, then go ahead. You say you can, but you never do.

rs allen 42 weeks 3 days ago
#24

See post #20

Coalage3 42 weeks 3 days ago
#25

See post #23

rs allen 42 weeks 2 days ago
#26

My god, don't you ever have an original thought of your own?

post #20 explains specificly why with you personally I'm not going to go into the lies by omission and demostratively false assertions made by mr. steele; it's because they are in large part the same lame excuses you've thrown about these pages to justify your racism for as long as I've belonged to this site and I as well as others have disproved those various lies and assertions over the numerous years and over many different threads (sometimes JUST) for you.

So boy, reread post #20......then go find a comfortable chair in a quiet corner and try a little self-reflection.

And the next time you post anything do try to find some original thought of your own to say. Ya know, just for a change.

Coalage3 42 weeks 1 day ago
#27

Shelby Steele is a lot smarter than you or I for starters. So, you refuse to "refute" his assertions even though you say you can. And I guess it means you are calling him a liar because he has the audacity to disagree with you. You are more like your brother Trump than you realize.

And for the record, they are Steele's assertions. Just because I post something doesn't necessarily mean I agree with all of it, or any of it. I post stuff here that I know will get a reaction. It seems to be working.

You can keep calling me whatever name you see fit. Like the old saying goes...."sticks and stones...". So have at it, and tell the Donald hi for us.

rs allen 42 weeks 7 hours ago
#28

If you want to give that ground of smarts to steele that's fine by me but I cede nothing of the sort. So speak for yourself.

As for the rest of that mish mash you deemed fit to write it knits in seamlessly with the predicted replies one would or could expect from you I made in post #20. Now reread post #26 and then take my advice.

Coalage3 42 weeks 3 hours ago
#29

Okay then...since you are smarter than Shelby Steele, then tell us why you think his statements are wrong.

rs allen 41 weeks 5 days ago
#30

What is it you don't get kkk?

I can easily find the shallowness in that bit of uncle tom pandering from steele. The question hanging in the wind is; why can't you? What sort of critical thinking person would even bother to post such garabage much less stand in defense of it?

Coalage3 41 weeks 3 days ago
#31

Now I understand. Since you obviously think you are smarter than Shelby Steele, he must be an "Uncle Tom" because he does not share your opinion. I should have realized all along.

Don't bother replying anymore...we all get it now. You either agree with me, or you are an Uncle Tom. No room for a differing opinion. One either agrees with the groupthink, or be labeled. Got it...thanks for clarifying RS.

rs allen 41 weeks 2 days ago
#32

You keep throwing the same banal accusations and inanities about while at the same time wrapping yourself up in a cloak of victimhood kkk............Oh (head slap) right, duh that's the same play script you follow for every piece of thoughtless drivel you post and called out on. And in the final scene you always come up just short of ordering me (or whoever) to not post any longer and then state in your very own pouty manner that there is a 'we' that get 'it'....... talk about group think! lol

As any critique or for that matter any suggestion that uncle tom steele is, um I could say if I were feeling kind, less than rigorous in his supposed studies and oped's written; however I'm more inclined to just say he's a disingenuous ass. In either case it bothers you why?

Besides I doubt seriously if you know what the tag uncle tom even means. And no, I'm not going to draw that picture for you again.

Coalage3 41 weeks 2 days ago
#33

Why does it bother you? Steele may be an ass, but you're not? I didn't order you to do anything...I said don't bother. You are the one wrapping yourself in the victimhood cloak. Keep posting until the cows come home if you choose.

I get it very clearly now...I'm done, and I understand.

rs allen 41 weeks 2 days ago
#34

I said,"just come up short of ordering............" Learn to read.

And thank-you for permiting me to conitue to post......even though I don't remember asking for your permission.

On steele; I asked you first, so answer the question.

quote kkk, "I get it very clearly now....." unquote

No! I don't think you do.

Coalage3 36 weeks 6 days ago
#35

Incidents like the following just continue to help Donald Trump, or anyone who preaches about elitism. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/enemies-of-the-people/

Excerpts:

The black NYU undergraduate who got two cafeteria workers fired because she took the menu as an act of racist aggression hardly qualifies as a commissar sending dissenters to the gulag. But that incident is certainly on the spectrum. Imagine that: two people are out of a job now, and have their careers tainted by accusations of racism, simply because they were trying to show sensitivity to black students, but one black student was offended, and the gutless university administration preferred to sack those workers than to be accused by anybody of complicity in their horrible racist act of serving ribs and collard greens. All it takes is an accusation from one of the privileged — like Nia Harris, the NYU undergrad — to destroy a man’s career, even over something as stupid as cafeteria food.

Note well: the people running the cafeteria had consulted black co-workers about what they should serve to honor black history. But they hadn’t asked the right kind of black people, apparently. Working-class black people don’t count. You have to ask a bourgeois black person, because they are the kind that have the power and the desire to get you fired. And they have that power because spineless apparatchiks like NYU president Andrew Hamilton kowtow to these privileged children.

This is the world progressives have made, and are making. In “Paper Heads,” a couple of those interviewed talked about how in periods of crackdown, many people kept their heads down and tried not to say anything controversial, ever, because they were terrified of losing their jobs. One man, a computer programmer, expressed shame over his own capitulation, but said he would have been out of work if he hadn’t.

rs allen 36 weeks 5 days ago
#36

God you are dense kkk,

That piece has as much to do with what the protest is about as this does and perhaps even less:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/03/roy-moore-donations-laws...

Coalage3 36 weeks 3 days ago
#37

It is posted in the wrong place, but so what? The elitism, and stupidity, of this kind of thinking and action from the left is beyond stunning.

rs allen 36 weeks 3 days ago
#38

So you choose to do something even stupidier by muddying the waters of a rightous cause with your lame imagined indignations. Then kkk you show your true colors by trying to justify it instead of removing the irrelevate post.

So kkk, did you get that post to the stormfront web site where you wanted it to go to begin with? If so, please kindly remove the erroneous post from these pages.

Coalage3 36 weeks 2 days ago
#39

So now who is giving orders? Did Hartmann appoint you to be the forum police? What's your badge number...I think you need to be reported for dereliction of duty.

By the way, the indignation you speak of is not imagined. Tell the person who lost their job that it was "imagined". It really happened, and people lost their jobs because a progressive elitist was "upset" about a cafeteria menu. Imagine that....upset over a menu. And you are right there with her, aren't you RS?

Oh the horror, oh the humanity. I wonder if that girl can even function now after having suffered such an outrageous abuse.

What has happned to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 36 weeks 2 days ago
#40

Givings orders? Since when did 'please kindly........' become a phrase representing any kind demand? Learn to read.

In reality I'd say you have more in common with that undergrad than I do. But then again she still has a chance to grow up doesn't she? You on the other hand......remain willfully ignorant and continuely rail against percived slights both large and small. Grow up kkk.

Now then once again, that post has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the on going protest from the heroic athletes putting their careers on the line. The protest has no affiliation with the Dem or Gop but in fact are targeted towards both.

Kindly please remove the irrelevant post.

Coalage3 36 weeks 2 days ago
#41

If the posts offends you that badly, then tell Sue N. to remove it. And then maybe you can sleep tonight.

You are absolutely one of the elites. Why? Because you agree with the elites in your own party. The democrats are now the party of the 1%. The last election pretty much verified that. You might not have much "in common" with the aggrieved person, but I bet you agree with her that she has suffered mightily due to a cafeteria menu. And by God, people have to be compelled to react to this alleged menu abuse, and accept its validity.

Its only a matter of time now before this menu abuse takes it place alongside racial abuse, economic abuse, sexual abuse, etc. Oh the horror of menu abuse. Until this person brought it to the attention of the world, I never realized the damage that menu abuse could do to a person.

Just wait till I go back to Golden Corral. They have no idea the horror they are visiting on the public.

rs allen 36 weeks 2 days ago
#42

Listen to yourself kkk, you're becoming incoherent. Sputtering and grasping for any stray straw to perhaps salvage some dignity from your moral failings.

That's because those core morals and values are so shallow and wanting you can't support them in any other way so you attempt to deffuse this topic as well as others with irrelevant information that really only pick at your own scabs, otherwise known as projection. Meanwhile the conversation among thoughtful and self-reflective people suffer.

If you want to talk about that undergrad student, fine do it an appropriate thread. So now then show us all you're a real human being and please remove the irrelevant posts.

Coalage3 36 weeks 2 days ago
#43

Evidently the posts are fine, or Sue N. would have removed them already.

Nice try though.

rs allen 36 weeks 1 day ago
#44

So kkk, now you're throwing your lot in with all the spammers that have over-run the Hartmann site as some kind of defense?

So now you need to hide behind momma's skirt as protection from the big bad world of adaults instead of standing up for your paper thin convictions?

I've tried to speak to you as man to man and what have I or any one else gotten in return? Nothing ever but 5th grade school yard witticism, irrelevant replies and disjointed questions. Grow up.

This thread is not going to be about you or your imagined wounds little boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCfEkopryo

Coalage3 36 weeks 1 day ago
#45

It's not spam. But of course, you already knew this. Why are you so upset RS? Are we seeing the start of another abuse syndrome? FPA? Forum Posting Abuse? We'll add it to the list with Menu Abuse.

You may think you are speaking as a man, but you never answer anything. Its the same thing every time with you. It goes like this. "You're KKK, I'm not answering that, if you don't understand I'm not explaining it again," blah, blah, blah.

Are you an NFL player? Then the thread is not about you either, is it? Do you own this forum? If you don't like my posts, I have a simple solution for you. Just don't respond.

rs allen 36 weeks 1 day ago
#46

And yet even more Kiddie Kar Kabuki. You never vary do you kkk?

Anyone with any self-respect that has even the feeblest grasp of american history will give themselves a quetioning pause before standing in honor to that bloody rag called the red white and blue.

Any self-respecting person that understands what the 'great american way' actually means will remain seated when hearing that jingoistic (d)rag called the national anthem.

Any self-respecting person who has listened knows that that paean to 'liberty and justice for all' even for it's own citizens is nothing but lies and jive bullshit and then will kneel in sadness and in protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drTjTE8MCBU

rs allen 34 weeks 4 days ago
#47

"if we collectively care about an issue only when the streets are literally burning, it’s reasonable to wonder if we actually care at all." end quote

Yeh, heh huh. That is the only time america 'worries' about those black, red and brown people long since left in the dust of your great american exceptionist wet dream unless the streets are burning. Oh excuse me, that is unless someone interupts your prayers to some almighty exceptionist god at some meaningless contest, then it's high treason. "I pledge allegaince to flag.........blah blah blah", "O say can you see........." Up your's. The f'kn chutapah, to think you can demand homage from those you've subjugated and marginalize for centaries while our present day plight is continually ignored.

From my point of view the ONLY people of any moral standing ARE the people knealing in protest.

Full article of opening quote here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/police-are-still-killing-black-pe...

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