I completely agree that Trump is a master in the art of media misdirection. But it takes two to "racialize" or "patriotize." If Fox, MSNBC and CNN were calling this what it is, a simple legal question of the players' right to free speech in the workplace, instead of saying it's about racism or patriotism, it would go away. But that would not help their ratings very much.

I cannot speak politically at work. My right to free speech does not apply there and I, and every other American who works for someone else can be fired for political speech in the workplace. Ask any legal scholar. I don't like it, but I have to suck it up because those are the rules set down by my employer. Why should NFL players believe they are different?

What they are protesting is fine, but wouldn't they do more good by going to communities affected by police violence and mentoring children instead of grandstanding on Sunday football TV?

Does this need to be talked about on a national stage? Of course not. But both sides keep talking about it and both sides hope to score some political points over #takeaknee and #standfortheflag. But it's really about neither of those things.

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louisewhite 15 weeks 5 days ago
#1

Wondering if the shooter in Las Vegas this morning was addicted to foxnews...

Coalage3 15 weeks 4 days ago
#2

Just the opposite Louise. He must be left leaning...the media would be all over themselves if there were any proof he was a Fox news watcher. According to some analyst on CNN, he must have hated Trump because he shot up country music fans. Everybody knows that country music lovers are right wing nuts.

Coalage3 15 weeks 3 days ago
#3

From Robert Robb: http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2017/10/02/donald-trump-nfl-protest-race-democrats/717896001/

Excerpts:

The left has talked itself into believing that Trump’s alleged appeals to white racism were what put him over the top.

More astute psephologists have pointed out that the actual difference was made by people in industrial states who previously had voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, but switched to Trump over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Hard to attribute those decisions to white racism.

Nevertheless, the left now interprets all of Trump’s actions through the prism of perceived appeals to white racism. If Trump were to tweet, “It’s a lovely day in Washington,” the left would denounce it as a dog whistle to white supremacists.

According to the left, since the players were protesting racial injustice, Trump was endorsing racial injustice by criticizing them. There goes that dog whistle!

To most Americans, that’s nuts.

I’m not much of a flag waver. And I’ve never really understood why sporting events begin with the playing of the national anthem. Doesn’t seem a particularly apposite occasion for a display of patriotic fidelity.

But it is part of American tradition. And traditions matter.

You don’t have to be a racist to find galling the spectacle of pampered athletics, making millions of dollars playing a game, hosted in taxpayer-subsidized stadiums, benefiting from an antitrust exemption, ostentatiously exempting themselves from the traditional display of fidelity to our country.

The argument by some that the protest isn’t really about the flag and national anthemrings hollow. If you do it during the national anthem, it is about the flag and the national anthem.

What is bewildering is that the NFL and the left seem to believe that they are winning this fight with Trump. Let’s see. Honor the flag and the national anthem. Or not. Yep, Trump is certainly on the wrong side of that issue.

A reaction against political correctness was certainly part of what propelled Trump to victory. Most leaders on the right flinch from it. Trump is impervious, even contemptuous, of it. There are small pockets of white supremacists in the United States. They are unimportant. Generally speaking, white Middle Americans aren’t racists. They don’t long for a return to Jim Crow. They’re just sick of having identity and grievance politics thrown in their faces all the time.

If the left continues to tell Middle Americans they are racists, Trump will be re-elected.

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DdC 15 weeks 3 days ago
#4

When people discern the difference between plastic symbols and real people. Then we won't have gun nuts buying military weapons of mass destruction easier than a joint that never mass destructed anyone. I wonder if Drumpfy has an alibi?

Las Vegas Shooter Was Known To Verbally Abuse His Girlfriend In Public. Has known ties with Real Estate and Property sales people. Portrait emerging of Las Vegas shooter as man 'descending into madness'

Coalage3 15 weeks 2 days ago
#5

Or maybe when people discern the difference between millionaires complaining about the "system" that allows them to be millionaires, and real people who have real problems.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 15 weeks 2 days ago
#6

So now you try to turn the central argument onto a point of envy? Cute, real cute.

Alright mr. Kloustered Koal Kountry, 'if only' you had the same platform what would you do?

Let's get this straight mr. KKK, all those overwhelmingly BLACK athletes/entertainers earn every damn penny. So piss off.

Coalage3 15 weeks 2 days ago
#7

I never said they didn't "earn" their money, did I....so you piss off.

Of course its envy, and a touch of pity thrown in for good measure. But you would know all about the envy since the democratic party decided long ago to make class envy a standard of its philosophy. You just now figuring that out? Where have you been?

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 15 weeks 2 days ago
#8

AND GET THIS mr. KKK: none of your side long bullshit has any relative connection with what it is about. So now go suck your thumb in the corner and lamment on the great lost cause.

Or go to school.

Coalage3 15 weeks 1 day ago
#9

You going to build me a school RS? That seems to be a pet peeve with you, even though you cannot explain why that will help education in any way. The fact you don't even try to refute my "long bullshit" tells me it is strking close to home. You are just a typical left leaning, elitist, name caller who contributes very little and won't even bother to back up what you claim. I actually thought you used to think before you responded on these topics, but you continually prove me wrong.

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

rs allen 15 weeks 1 day ago
#10

Well it is long bullshit for sure but that's not what I said, I said SIDE LONG BULLSHIT. See the difference? Now I could have said illogical, oblique, tortuous or any number of other modifiers for bullshit but you don't read too well, do you? So I kept it simple for you.

Answering any question for/to you involves just another round of SIDE LONG BULLSHIT questions and demands from you demanding answers. Er, rather like dealing with a 4th grade aged child.

Learn to read and you'll see all your questions are answered again and again.

Go to school child.

You however are not the topic of this thread are you, so let's get on about those 'pampered' athletes that are 'allowed' to make millions having the right but for some reason shouldn't interupt your white world wet dreams.

Coalage3 15 weeks 1 day ago
#11

Well well...you finally said something that might be construed as half-way sensible. You are right that the athletes should not interrupt the football fans dreams any longer. The athletes made their point. If they continue, it will get to be more irritating than enlightening.

But I see you also wrote "white world wet dreams". So you think that the only people who don't necessarily support the protests are all white? Really?

Its okay to not answer any of my questions. Its still a free country (for now). I get it... you don't have any answers. Don't worry...I will never again ask you for another answer to a question. Your non-responses are answers enough.

rs allen 15 weeks 11 hours ago
#12

Ach, you are f'kin dense. No one is interupting any football games.

Or did you confuse football with white world wet dreams (what the flag and star spangled banner is) and thinking they were one and the same?

' Pampered athletes', are your words or words you quoted.........they are not pampered fool. They are used like tools, cared for until they are not useful any longer then thrown into a scape heap. That is not pampered.

'Allowed to play', again your words.........no they are given large incentives to break their bodies apart for your entertainment. And by the way on those large incentives, just how much do you think the owners make? The owners are the people that cajole or blackmail the saps into paying for their studiums and then they sit to rake in the profits. 'Allowed to play' indeed. Up yours. No body would see any football that was much above high school skill level without those incentives for those 'allowed to play' athletes.

Enough about football because the protest is NOT about football. The protest, jerk off, is about waking america from your white world wet dreams.

From now on KKK............. you can talk to the hand.

Or donate.

http://kaepernick7.com

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DdC 14 weeks 6 days ago
#13

He's just another Southern Counterfeit leaning Chihuahua, repeating gossip with no sense of what America even stands for. He would have been the first to protect the Kings interest and spread gossip about the colonies. A snitch turning in families hiding from the red coats. Such a fool can't even see the hypocrisy of protecting the plastic flag over the rights to piss on it if need be.

Although they want to legislate penis and vagina police to infringe upon a womans rights to govern her body. Or let cop perverts do body cavity searches on children. Then show their illiteracy in not knowing what a comma in the 2nd amendment means, giving the militias the right to bear arms. Now he assumes people, especially black people who happen to be athletes, give up their rights for a paycheck.

First, most of the stadiums are paid with taxes making them public domain to kneel or sit or not even be there. The players have the same rights as a fan sitting during the anthem. Not that football is long for this world with 110 out of 111 examined having brain damage. Just as a public service, kids should be banned from playing such a brutal game. Even if the so called family values party has no concern.

Not that there is any sense in jerking a flag or singing a racist nationalist anthem at a sporting event. Pretend wars on the gridiron? Like pitting 16 American armies against another 16 American armies. 32 armies in a civil war every Sunday, Monday and Thursday with kids in college on Saturday and High School kids on Friday. Oh so quick to try to remove climate change from curriculum's, but football and nationalist pep rallies psyching out kids into rage and hate against the other armies they will fight on the "battlefield" or gridiron. Pretend war for kids, maybe teaching them what a comma means would be more prudent at this juncture.

Singing a racist nationalist anthem with absolutely no meaning in this world of global policing for profits. Scum rises to the top and when juniors like coaldust inherit money, like trump. They think its envy that people don't take them seriously when they try to protect plastic at the expense of American citizens. Same as his god donald. Paying MalWart minimum wages to import chinese plastic flags made from Iranian crude oil. No benefits or overtime so tax payers make up the health care of their children.

Naturally never questioning the dead beat, dodging weasels stashing their responsibility in offshore accounts. Or now drumpfy dumpty wants to make it even easier. Just letting them dodge taxes legally with exemptions. More of what HW Bush called Trickle down Voodoo economics. Hasn't reached the rednecks since Rayguns promised it would. But they are so gullible, Rush Limbough could tell them their own children were liberal commies and they would disown them. Blind faith of a puppy dog. Chihuahuas sitting on the laps of fascists yapping at anyone who calls their bullshit. Protecting their money gods in the name of sadomoralism.

So to be clear the Chihuahuas claim they need guns for protection, and constitutional protection for plastic flags to jerk at the military and police that they pay taxes for, To protect the white trash from big guvmint busting down their doors to take their guns. But the dipshits don't even contemplate it will be the police or military busting down the door they will then shoot and kill to defend their act. In name of the 2nd amendment. Wonder what the cops and military think about their gun religion and the church of the NRA if that thought ever surfaces in the deep dark dank corners of their mind, or mindlessness is more like it.

Coalage3 14 weeks 5 days ago
#14

Ha Ha...good one RS. Donate to Kaepernick...that's a good one. Why are we sending him money? How much did you give?

By the way...you used the word "interrupt", not me. The more you keep using the KKK reference just reinforces the fact that you have no answers (or at least no rational answers). Most progressives like to break out the personal attacks when they got nothing else to say.

DdC, and what few other posters remain here, mistakenly believe that every problem the country faces is because of republicans. The democrats are just as culpable. The democratic party has gone downhill since Reagan was in office, and they have never returned to what made them attractive to the working man and poor in this country. For some truly strange reason, they seem determined to keep slowly going down the road to oblivion.

When Donald "Freakin" Trump is able to beat a seasoned democratic mainstay for president, (and his win was not because of white supremacists either), when the majority of states are controlled by republican governors and legislatures, then the democrats have a huge problem. Lets hear it one more time...Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump. How bad has the democratic brand become where that can happen?

What has happened to the democratic party in this country?

Coalage3 14 weeks 4 days ago
#15

From NFL commissioner Roger Goodell: https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/nfl-owners-rule-demand-players-stand-national-anthem/

In the letter, Goodell wrote that the “current dispute over the national anthem is threatening to erode the unifying power of our game, and is now dividing us, and our players, from many fans across the country.”

“Like many of our fans, we believe that everyone should stand for the national anthem,” Goodell wrote in a letter Schefter shared on Facebook. “It is an important moment in our game. We want to honor our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us. We also care deeply about our players and respect their opinions and concerns about critical social issues. The controversy over the Anthem is a barrier to having honest conversations and making real progress on the underlying issues. We need to move past this controversy, and we want to do that together with our players.”

An earlier report said that NLF owners were already considering to make a rule change that would ban players from kneeling during the national anthem.

Coalage3 3 days 15 hours ago
#16

Shelby Steele weighs in about the protests: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/racial-protest-collective-narcissism/

Excerpts:

It is not surprising, then, that these black football players would don the mantle of protest. The surprise was that it didn’t work. They had misread the historical moment. They were not speaking truth to power. Rather, they were figures of pathos, mindlessly loyal to a black identity that had run its course. What they missed is a simple truth that is both obvious and unutterable: The oppression of black people is over with. This is politically incorrect news, but it is true nonetheless. We blacks are, today, a free people. It is as if freedom sneaked up and caught us by surprise.

Of course this doe not mean there is no racism left in American life. Racism is endemic to the human condition, just as stupidity is. We will always have to be on guard against it. But now it is recognized as a scourge, as the crowning immorality of our age and our history.

Protest always tries to make a point. But what happens when that point has already been made — when, in this case, racism has become anathema and freedom has expanded? [F]reedom put blacks at the risk of being judged inferior, the very libel that had always been used against us.

To hear, for example, that more than 4,000 people were shot in Chicago in 2016 embarrasses us because this level of largely black-on-black crime cannot be blamed simply on white racism. Watching the antics of Black Lives Matter is like watching people literally aspiring to black victimization, longing for it as for a consummation.

rs allen 19 hours 41 min ago
#17

Aah yes KKK, words from the stormfront or their lackeys never fail to illuminate the mental shallowness and moral degradation of those who continuely spread their poisoned words for them.

Grow a pair and admit you're a racist pig KKK.

Man up for a change.

rs allen 19 hours 36 min ago
#18

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